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bosco
There's only 1 true way to save boxing and that's having 1 title belt for each division. All these different belts are what's killing boxing. WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO etc. If theres only 1 belt per division then the best has to fight the best and the champion has to defend against the top contenders. Todays fighters get undeserved accolades for winning titles in multiple divisions. Should Pacquiao be deserving of being called a champion at 154 lbs when he had never fought at 154 lbs and got a title fight against Margarito who wasn't even the champion at 154 himself who was coming off suspension for loaded gloves and what makes it worst is they fought at a catch weight. That was a slap in the face to every fighter at 154 who was working their ass off to get a title shot for Bob Arum to pull strings to get 2 of his fighters..1 who had never fought in the division and the other who was coming off suspension for cheating to fight for the title...AT A CATCH WEIGHT!!!. Things like that is killing boxing and causing world class athletes to choose other sports. Boxing needs 1 governing body...1 set of rules...1 title for each division and then we will see the fights the paying fans deserves to see. Only then will boxing return to being the sport where to be the man you got to beat the man!!!
FinitoElDinamita
Tell us something we dont know, captain obvious. It's a good idea but it'll never happen.

Too much money to be made..
Hops
Nice thread!!!!!!!
bosco
QUOTE (FinitoElDinamita @ May 29 2011, 10:38 AM) *
Tell us something we dont know, captain obvious. It's a good idea but it'll never happen.

Too much money to be made..

It'll never happen if they never work towards it. The fans have to demand it. We have to stop buying bogus PPV 's and stop swinging at every curve ball these promoters throw our way. We have to demand what fights we want and if they try to give us something different then we don't support it. The 1 thing that always bring change is hurting their pockets.
gravytrain
boxing was never saved lol. one title per division didn't save boxing, back in the day the mob was into boxing really heavy. Ray Arcel even got hit in the head with a lead pipe back in the day because he went against the mob. not to mention all the fixed fights.

FinitoElDinamita
QUOTE (bosco @ May 29 2011, 08:48 AM) *
It'll never happen if they never work towards it. The fans have to demand it. We have to stop buying bogus PPV 's and stop swinging at every curve ball these promoters throw our way. We have to demand what fights we want and if they try to give us something different then we don't support it. The 1 thing that always bring change is hurting their pockets.


I agree that these catchweight titlefights are ridiculous and getting out of hand but as far as these multiple sanctioning bodies go, they're necessary. Despite what people think of these paper titles, networks pay more when there is a title on the line so belts do mean alot to these up n coming fighters. Once you're at the top like Pacman and Floyd, belts become irrelevant but unless your in that statues, belts mean a whole lot. IT's like a winning lottery ticket, something fighters can use to cash out for big paydays.
JONdaCON817
I juss dont see how you deserve to have a title in a weight class you cant make weight in... if you cant make weight then your not in that division.. period. not to mention having to defend that title.
Maxy
QUOTE (FinitoElDinamita @ May 29 2011, 12:42 PM) *
I agree that these catchweight titlefights are ridiculous and getting out of hand but as far as these multiple sanctioning bodies go, they're necessary. Despite what people think of these paper titles, networks pay more when there is a title on the line so belts do mean alot to these up n coming fighters. Once you're at the top like Pacman and Floyd, belts become irrelevant but unless your in that statues, belts mean a whole lot. IT's like a winning lottery ticket, something fighters can use to cash out for big paydays.


This is why the sport is in the state it's in now. Television networks the world over have mugged off the fans, the real fans of the sport, in order to gain larger viewing figures. They played on the "it has to be for a title or people won't be interested" bollocks and now, today, it has gotten so out of hand it's basically fucked everything up. Two geezars, both hard as fuck, it's primal instinct to wanna know who is the better fighter. People who never fight, have never fought, don't know fuck all about fighting, run this crap now and their ignorance is destroying shit big time.

The only answer is one belt per division. No catchweights. A rule whereby you have to fight, defend your belt every 3 months. TV will drive the sport underground but it will rise again. Long live the hunger, long live the recession!
Col Reb
We need a Dana White or Mark Cuban to buy out everything; it's the only way it will happen. What will really save boxing is to move it back to network tv.
blackbelt2003
A simple rule change would help out, and that's if the WBC, WBA and IBF can come together and change their rulings slightly so that the no.1 contender in their rankings is always the holder of the next belt. WBC ranks WBA champ as their no.1 contender, WBA ranks IBF champ as their no.1 contender, and the IBF ranks WBC champ as their no.1 contender.

Then everyone is forced to fight each other...the sanctioning boys still get their commission (and since the undisputed champ would be a bigger name in bigger fights, it wouldn't neccessarily mean a cut in their fees) and everyone is happy.


I remember Suliaman a few years back talking up a 'World Boxing Series' a few years back, where every four years the sanctioning bodies could put their champions into a tournament to get an undisputed champion. Nice idea, not sure how serious he ever was in discussing it with the others, but it shows he's at least thinking.



The real problem, however, is that fighters just don't fight often enough. That's why every time a couple belts get unified, the champion then goes on a six month hiatus and the alphabet boys strip him. If fighters were to take care of business (like RJ, B-Hop and other previous era's undisputed champs did), there wouldn't be a problem in keeping three different belts.




Black
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (blackbelt2003 @ May 30 2011, 09:45 AM) *
A simple rule change would help out, and that's if the WBC, WBA and IBF can come together and change their rulings slightly so that the no.1 contender in their rankings is always the holder of the next belt. WBC ranks WBA champ as their no.1 contender, WBA ranks IBF champ as their no.1 contender, and the IBF ranks WBC champ as their no.1 contender.

Then everyone is forced to fight each other...the sanctioning boys still get their commission (and since the undisputed champ would be a bigger name in bigger fights, it wouldn't neccessarily mean a cut in their fees) and everyone is happy.


I remember Suliaman a few years back talking up a 'World Boxing Series' a few years back, where every four years the sanctioning bodies could put their champions into a tournament to get an undisputed champion. Nice idea, not sure how serious he ever was in discussing it with the others, but it shows he's at least thinking.



The real problem, however, is that fighters just don't fight often enough. That's why every time a couple belts get unified, the champion then goes on a six month hiatus and the alphabet boys strip him. If fighters were to take care of business (like RJ, B-Hop and other previous era's undisputed champs did), there wouldn't be a problem in keeping three different belts.


Black



Spot on. If top guys fight regularly, then eventually they will fight the fights we want, or some young gun will knock them over and we'll have another top fighter in the mix.

Fight regularly, and everything else will fall into place.
mrwigi
I agree with everyone about the different sanctioning bodies, but you have to also remember that drama is a part of boxing. Inside the ring and out. So right now believe it or not, it is probably the drama the bodies produce that keeps boxing afloat.
Spyder
E.C.LEGEND
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ May 30 2011, 04:15 AM) *
Spot on. If top guys fight regularly, then eventually they will fight the fights we want, or some young gun will knock them over and we'll have another top fighter in the mix.

Fight regularly, and everything else will fall into place.

If it was that easy, to much politics involved. Remember when Baldomir Knocked off judah? Judah kept one of his belts(the belt Floyd took) because Baldomir couldn't afford the sanctioning fees for it. Here is a good question...Why do you have to pay to fight for a belt?
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (E.C.LEGEND @ May 31 2011, 01:55 AM) *
If it was that easy, to much politics involved. Remember when Baldomir Knocked off judah? Judah kept one of his belts(the belt Floyd took) because Baldomir couldn't afford the sanctioning fees for it. Here is a good question...Why do you have to pay to fight for a belt?


Yeah I appreciate too much politics involved, but really, top guys fighting only once or twice a year is a massive issue for the sport

Not just top guys, but average guys on the way up do it too
E.C.LEGEND
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ May 30 2011, 08:21 PM) *
Yeah I appreciate too much politics involved, but really, top guys fighting only once or twice a year is a massive issue for the sport

Not just top guys, but average guys on the way up do it too

I agree with about fighters fighting once or twice a year. Thats why we should just have on belt per division. Fighter don't care if they get stripped because they can easily get another belt. I'd be willing to bet that fighters wouldn't be so willing to give up that belt to avoid someone.
JONdaCON817
QUOTE (Spyder @ May 30 2011, 01:25 PM) *


Bro wtf is this??....lol.

That first bitch sounded like Frochs wife!!.... lmao
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