If there's nothing to worry about then he should take it

I have no problem with this thread....as I ask myself the same question....but this has been discussed numerous of times so expect to be chewed in..... 5,4,3,2,1....あれ？
じゃlets try Japanese Countdown 一,　二,　三,　四,　五....あれ?　

If there's nothing to worry about then he should take it

Will people ever become bored of asking the same questions?

I have a new question here concerning this age old subject actually. (at least I don't think anyone's asked it yet)

Say Manny takes and passes the tests, then gets beat on like a drum for 12 rounds by Floyd. Will people give Floyd full credit for beating up his P4P rival, the same man who demolished Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, DLH, etc.? Or will they say he beat a fraud, a shell of the guy who'd racked up all these recent accomplishments, and the win barely means anything? Would it elevate Floyd at all or just disgrace Manny?

I have a new question here concerning this age old subject actually. (at least I don't think anyone's asked it yet)

Say Manny takes and passes the tests, then gets beat on like a drum for 12 rounds by Floyd. Will people give Floyd full credit for beating up his P4P rival, the same man who demolished Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, DLH, etc.? Or will they say he beat a fraud, a shell of the guy who'd racked up all these recent accomplishments, and the win barely means anything? Would it elevate Floyd at all or just disgrace Manny?

I am not sure either guy beating the other will ever be enough for some! I don't think we will ever see Floyd fight again if they ever do fight!

Maybe this is all a way for them to make more money but this whole test thing is kinda silly in some ways! I mean if a guy fighting @ 126(Pacman)is weighing 135-139 on fight night, why the hell couldn't he go from 126-147 in a couple of years? Why does it seem so important for Floyd & his whole family to dis credit every damn thing Pac has done? Why is it so hard to believe?

And would Pacman get credit if he passed the test & beat Floyd silly like he did say Cotto & Margacheato? Why do I just know it wouldn't be enough for some people? It's all crazy to me! I mean on the front page we seen is Pac turning down $75 million to fight? Yet it wasn't asked of PBF. Not saying it's bias or anything, just asking why can't either guy be that good? Why don't they both deserve credit as great champions?

Here is something else on the weight thing, wasn't Floyd about about 108 @ 16-17 years old? By the time he was 30 years old was he fight @ 147 & beyond? Why can it be cool that Floyd did it but not Pac? By the same token while I don't know why any one fighter has the right to ask for testing that no one else is asking for BUT it sure made Pac look bad by not taking the test! EXACTLY what all the Mayweather's wanted! Just like PBF wanted to be the villain which by the way worked GREAT for him cause he still has his fans that love him to death & others that are dying to see him lose so will pay for his fights yet really goes right to the race card saying imagine how big I'd be if I was white or whatever! I don't think he could get much bigger unless he said fuck it and truly fought anyone, any time ala Sugar Ray Robinson!

In any case, PBF won't do a Robinson & his plan worked perfectly cause he will never have to cause he made so much money by fighting the right guys @ the right time! In closing I have to say, unless testing is done year around, it doesn't really matter what test is taken so why not just take the test & make the fight but as PBF would say, "like I said before" there are things that can be taken that no test would catch anyhow so what are we really talking about here? Can't the 2 best WW's fight each other for $75 plus million? lmao! A number by the way that I am not sure anyone deserves to make for 1 fight. With that said I would pay to see it! JUST SAYING

I am not sure either guy beating the other will ever be enough for some! I don't think we will ever see Floyd fight again if they ever do fight!

Maybe this is all a way for them to make more money but this whole test thing is kinda silly in some ways! I mean if a guy fighting @ 126(Pacman)is weighing 135-139 on fight night, why the hell couldn't he go from 126-147 in a couple of years? Why does it seem so important for Floyd & his whole family to dis credit every damn thing Pac has done? Why is it so hard to believe?

And would Pacman get credit if he passed the test & beat Floyd silly like he did say Cotto & Margacheato? Why do I just know it wouldn't be enough for some people? It's all crazy to me! I mean on the front page we seen is Pac turning down $75 million to fight? Yet it wasn't asked of PBF. Not saying it's bias or anything, just asking why can't either guy be that good? Why don't they both deserve credit as great champions?

Here is something else on the weight thing, wasn't Floyd about about 108 @ 16-17 years old? By the time he was 30 years old was he fight @ 147 & beyond? Why can it be cool that Floyd did it but not Pac? By the same token while I don't know why any one fighter has the right to ask for testing that no one else is asking for BUT it sure made Pac look bad by not taking the test! EXACTLY what all the Mayweather's wanted! Just like PBF wanted to be the villain which by the way worked GREAT for him cause he still has his fans that love him to death & others that are dying to see him lose so will pay for his fights yet really goes right to the race card saying imagine how big I'd be if I was white or whatever! I don't think he could get much bigger unless he said fuck it and truly fought anyone, any time ala Sugar Ray Robinson!

In any case, PBF won't do a Robinson & his plan worked perfectly cause he will never have to cause he made so much money by fighting the right guys @ the right time! In closing I have to say, unless testing is done year around, it doesn't really matter what test is taken so why not just take the test & make the fight but as PBF would say, "like I said before" there are things that can be taken that no test would catch anyhow so what are we really talking about here? Can't the 2 best WW's fight each other for $75 plus million? lmao! A number by the way that I am not sure anyone deserves to make for 1 fight. With that said I would pay to see it! JUST SAYING

If there's nothing to worry about then he should take it

manny pacquiao cannot afford to take the test right now because if he failed he would be the most disgraced boxer in history and even the writers and orgaizations that supported him will turn against himdue to the fact that they had gone to bat for him and were cheated all of his boxing achievments would be tainted and history books outlast fighters.

now if he felt he would pass the test we wouldnt be having this conversation

I have a new question here concerning this age old subject actually. (at least I don't think anyone's asked it yet)

Say Manny takes and passes the tests, then gets beat on like a drum for 12 rounds by Floyd. Will people give Floyd full credit for beating up his P4P rival, the same man who demolished Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, DLH, etc.? Or will they say he beat a fraud, a shell of the guy who'd racked up all these recent accomplishments, and the win barely means anything? Would it elevate Floyd at all or just disgrace Manny?

I am not sure either guy beating the other will ever be enough for some! I don't think we will ever see Floyd fight again if they ever do fight!

Maybe this is all a way for them to make more money but this whole test thing is kinda silly in some ways! I mean if a guy fighting @ 126(Pacman)is weighing 135-139 on fight night, why the hell couldn't he go from 126-147 in a couple of years? Why does it seem so important for Floyd & his whole family to dis credit every damn thing Pac has done? Why is it so hard to believe?

And would Pacman get credit if he passed the test & beat Floyd silly like he did say Cotto & Margacheato? Why do I just know it wouldn't be enough for some people? It's all crazy to me! I mean on the front page we seen is Pac turning down $75 million to fight? Yet it wasn't asked of PBF. Not saying it's bias or anything, just asking why can't either guy be that good? Why don't they both deserve credit as great champions?

Here is something else on the weight thing, wasn't Floyd about about 108 @ 16-17 years old? By the time he was 30 years old was he fight @ 147 & beyond? Why can it be cool that Floyd did it but not Pac? By the same token while I don't know why any one fighter has the right to ask for testing that no one else is asking for BUT it sure made Pac look bad by not taking the test! EXACTLY what all the Mayweather's wanted! Just like PBF wanted to be the villain which by the way worked GREAT for him cause he still has his fans that love him to death & others that are dying to see him lose so will pay for his fights yet really goes right to the race card saying imagine how big I'd be if I was white or whatever! I don't think he could get much bigger unless he said fuck it and truly fought anyone, any time ala Sugar Ray Robinson!

In any case, PBF won't do a Robinson & his plan worked perfectly cause he will never have to cause he made so much money by fighting the right guys @ the right time! In closing I have to say, unless testing is done year around, it doesn't really matter what test is taken so why not just take the test & make the fight but as PBF would say, "like I said before" there are things that can be taken that no test would catch anyhow so what are we really talking about here? Can't the 2 best WW's fight each other for $75 plus million? lmao! A number by the way that I am not sure anyone deserves to make for 1 fight. With that said I would pay to see it! JUST SAYING

maybe its something I don't understand about PED's but after a good few weeks aren't they untraceable? I mean even if he did take the test know, you could of been on something weeks earlier.

I've been sayin' this since day 1. Manny's afraid of needles, though.



Floyd will never get credit. I can hear it now... "He was too big for Manny Pacquiao, etc..."



Ben has already given an in-depth answer to this question. When I find the link, I'll link you to it.

EDIT: http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1007...3f704f6500d075c (Scroll down to the 7th email question)

QUOTE (mgrover @ Jun 11 2011, 10:40 AM) *
maybe its something I don't understand about PED's but after a good few weeks aren't they untraceable? I mean even if he did take the test know, you could of been on something weeks earlier

I have a new question here concerning this age old subject actually. (at least I don't think anyone's asked it yet)

Say Manny takes and passes the tests, then gets beat on like a drum for 12 rounds by Floyd. Will people give Floyd full credit for beating up his P4P rival, the same man who demolished Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, DLH, etc.? Or will they say he beat a fraud, a shell of the guy who'd racked up all these recent accomplishments, and the win barely means anything? Would it elevate Floyd at all or just disgrace Manny?

Good question, but just because it's Floyd......they would come up with something to take away from his flawless performance

Even if they did there would always be an influx of those who really are not aware of the fact that this subject has been discussed here and everywhere more times than anyone should bother counting.

It might be interesting for new members of the forum to check the archives and read up on what many of us have said over the last year and a half on the subject, over and over.

Best we ignore the threads that annoy us.

If there's nothing to worry about then he should take it

****EVERYTHING BELOW THIS IS SIMPLY MY OPINION. IF YOU TAKE IT AS SOMETHING ELSE, THAT IS ON YOU.****

AS someone that doesn't like either Floyd or Manny, let me give you my reasons why I think he shouldn't do it unless he wants to.

1. I don't like the idea of one person imposing their will on another (outside of the ring, of course). I don't like the idea of someone going to such extremes to degrade another person and to cast aspersions on that person's character.

Until Floyd retired that first time, and suddenly Manny beat DLH and Hatton, Floyd had no real problems with Manny. Once people started saying that Manny was better than Floyd, that's when all the steroid talk started. Throwing out baseless rumors, and beating the drum accusing him of doing things that there was no proof for. Things that would stain any person's reputation and image. Things that landed him in court over, and it doesn't appear that this is just going to go away by the way the Judge ruled recently.

Once people started putting Manny's name above Floyd, it seemed (in my opinion) that Floyd was chafed at that, and that's when all the accusations started. So that's one reason I think Manny should not do anything he doesn't want to. While Floyd talks about how he wants to clean up the sport, his sudden interest didn't materialize until people started looking at Manny as better than Floyd. Then suddenly he was out to save Boxing, the very sport he denigrated in a call in radio show with Ra The Rugged Man, in which he said that Boxing would be dead once he left. Putting yourself above the sport, is not what's good.

With me, anyway, it's all about intentions. The idea of taking tests, I have no problem with. I think everyone should be mandated to take olympic style blood tests. However that is not what is mandated. For all the talk of a weight limit fine or glove size or ring size, or whatever. The thing is that only one of those "stipulations" comes with an accusation that is an attempt to damage a person's image and integrity and honor.

2. People who say "if he has nothing to hide he should take the test", apparently don't believe in the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. They apparently believe that if they are ever caught up and go to court, they should help the prosecution make their case for them.

I don't buy into this "you prove to us you're NOT doping." No, bitch, you prove to me that I AM. That's YOUR job. You're making accusations, you're saying I'm doing this, I'm doing that, I'm on this, I'm on that. PROVE IT! Don't come to me and make me prove I'm not."

Enough of this "when was the last time you beat your wife" type tactics.

Yes, if Manny took the tests, I'm sure that would satisfy some people, but this has been taken to such a ridiculous place, that even if he takes a blood test every day 10 times a day, and between every round and after the fight, there will STILL be those who will say that he was taking something that was undetectable. Cause you KNOW how those Phillipinos are, right?

Bottom line is this: Manny doesn't have to take any tests. If he wants to, that's great. But the state of Nevada does not mandate them. If he wants the NSAC to change their policy, why has he not petitioned them to do so? Last I read (and things could have changed), NSAC said he had not petitioned them about anything.

If he truly wants EVERYONE to be on it, and he's TRULY thinking of the sport, and not one specific person, then he needs to petition them. That would shut EVERYONE up, because then he'd be backing it up when he says it's not just about Manny. Requiring everyone HE fights to take them, doesn't do anything, particularly when he's only fighting once every year and a half or so.

3. Finally, I've gotten to the point now that I don't even want to see the fight. They've both pissed me off with their bullshit that I just don't care anymore. If they fight, whatever. IF they don't, whatever. This will go down as one of those Mythical Matchups. Like what would happen if Tommy Morrison and Tyson ever fought (like was slated before Tommy contracted HIV) or Ali vs. Jack Johnson. Just another long line of What if's.

****EVERYTHING BELOW THIS IS SIMPLY MY OPINION. IF YOU TAKE IT AS SOMETHING ELSE, THAT IS ON YOU.****

AS someone that doesn't like either Floyd or Manny, let me give you my reasons why I think he shouldn't do it unless he wants to.

1. I don't like the idea of one person imposing their will on another (outside of the ring, of course). I don't like the idea of someone going to such extremes to degrade another person and to cast aspersions on that person's character.

Until Floyd retired that first time, and suddenly Manny beat DLH and Hatton, Floyd had no real problems with Manny. Once people started saying that Manny was better than Floyd, that's when all the steroid talk started. Throwing out baseless rumors, and beating the drum accusing him of doing things that there was no proof for. Things that would stain any person's reputation and image. Things that landed him in court over, and it doesn't appear that this is just going to go away by the way the Judge ruled recently.

Once people started putting Manny's name above Floyd, it seemed (in my opinion) that Floyd was chafed at that, and that's when all the accusations started. So that's one reason I think Manny should not do anything he doesn't want to. While Floyd talks about how he wants to clean up the sport, his sudden interest didn't materialize until people started looking at Manny as better than Floyd. Then suddenly he was out to save Boxing, the very sport he denigrated in a call in radio show with Ra The Rugged Man, in which he said that Boxing would be dead once he left. Putting yourself above the sport, is not what's good.

With me, anyway, it's all about intentions. The idea of taking tests, I have no problem with. I think everyone should be mandated to take olympic style blood tests. However that is not what is mandated. For all the talk of a weight limit fine or glove size or ring size, or whatever. The thing is that only one of those "stipulations" comes with an accusation that is an attempt to damage a person's image and integrity and honor.

2. People who say "if he has nothing to hide he should take the test", apparently don't believe in the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. They apparently believe that if they are ever caught up and go to court, they should help the prosecution make their case for them.

I don't buy into this "you prove to us you're NOT doping." No, bitch, you prove to me that I AM. That's YOUR job. You're making accusations, you're saying I'm doing this, I'm doing that, I'm on this, I'm on that. PROVE IT! Don't come to me and make me prove I'm not."

Enough of this "when was the last time you beat your wife" type tactics.

Yes, if Manny took the tests, I'm sure that would satisfy some people, but this has been taken to such a ridiculous place, that even if he takes a blood test every day 10 times a day, and between every round and after the fight, there will STILL be those who will say that he was taking something that was undetectable. Cause you KNOW how those Phillipinos are, right?

Bottom line is this: Manny doesn't have to take any tests. If he wants to, that's great. But the state of Nevada does not mandate them. If he wants the NSAC to change their policy, why has he not petitioned them to do so? Last I read (and things could have changed), NSAC said he had not petitioned them about anything.

If he truly wants EVERYONE to be on it, and he's TRULY thinking of the sport, and not one specific person, then he needs to petition them. That would shut EVERYONE up, because then he'd be backing it up when he says it's not just about Manny. Requiring everyone HE fights to take them, doesn't do anything, particularly when he's only fighting once every year and a half or so.

3. Finally, I've gotten to the point now that I don't even want to see the fight. They've both pissed me off with their bullshit that I just don't care anymore. If they fight, whatever. IF they don't, whatever. This will go down as one of those Mythical Matchups. Like what would happen if Tommy Morrison and Tyson ever fought (like was slated before Tommy contracted HIV) or Ali vs. Jack Johnson. Just another long line of What if's.

****EVERYTHING BELOW THIS IS SIMPLY MY OPINION. IF YOU TAKE IT AS SOMETHING ELSE, THAT IS ON YOU.****

AS someone that doesn't like either Floyd or Manny, let me give you my reasons why I think he shouldn't do it unless he wants to.

1. I don't like the idea of one person imposing their will on another (outside of the ring, of course). I don't like the idea of someone going to such extremes to degrade another person and to cast aspersions on that person's character.

Until Floyd retired that first time, and suddenly Manny beat DLH and Hatton, Floyd had no real problems with Manny. Once people started saying that Manny was better than Floyd, that's when all the steroid talk started. Throwing out baseless rumors, and beating the drum accusing him of doing things that there was no proof for. Things that would stain any person's reputation and image. Things that landed him in court over, and it doesn't appear that this is just going to go away by the way the Judge ruled recently.

Once people started putting Manny's name above Floyd, it seemed (in my opinion) that Floyd was chafed at that, and that's when all the accusations started. So that's one reason I think Manny should not do anything he doesn't want to. While Floyd talks about how he wants to clean up the sport, his sudden interest didn't materialize until people started looking at Manny as better than Floyd. Then suddenly he was out to save Boxing, the very sport he denigrated in a call in radio show with Ra The Rugged Man, in which he said that Boxing would be dead once he left. Putting yourself above the sport, is not what's good.

With me, anyway, it's all about intentions. The idea of taking tests, I have no problem with. I think everyone should be mandated to take olympic style blood tests. However that is not what is mandated. For all the talk of a weight limit fine or glove size or ring size, or whatever. The thing is that only one of those "stipulations" comes with an accusation that is an attempt to damage a person's image and integrity and honor.

2. People who say "if he has nothing to hide he should take the test", apparently don't believe in the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. They apparently believe that if they are ever caught up and go to court, they should help the prosecution make their case for them.

I don't buy into this "you prove to us you're NOT doping." No, bitch, you prove to me that I AM. That's YOUR job. You're making accusations, you're saying I'm doing this, I'm doing that, I'm on this, I'm on that. PROVE IT! Don't come to me and make me prove I'm not."

Enough of this "when was the last time you beat your wife" type tactics.

Yes, if Manny took the tests, I'm sure that would satisfy some people, but this has been taken to such a ridiculous place, that even if he takes a blood test every day 10 times a day, and between every round and after the fight, there will STILL be those who will say that he was taking something that was undetectable. Cause you KNOW how those Phillipinos are, right?

Bottom line is this: Manny doesn't have to take any tests. If he wants to, that's great. But the state of Nevada does not mandate them. If he wants the NSAC to change their policy, why has he not petitioned them to do so? Last I read (and things could have changed), NSAC said he had not petitioned them about anything.

If he truly wants EVERYONE to be on it, and he's TRULY thinking of the sport, and not one specific person, then he needs to petition them. That would shut EVERYONE up, because then he'd be backing it up when he says it's not just about Manny. Requiring everyone HE fights to take them, doesn't do anything, particularly when he's only fighting once every year and a half or so.

3. Finally, I've gotten to the point now that I don't even want to see the fight. They've both pissed me off with their bullshit that I just don't care anymore. If they fight, whatever. IF they don't, whatever. This will go down as one of those Mythical Matchups. Like what would happen if Tommy Morrison and Tyson ever fought (like was slated before Tommy contracted HIV) or Ali vs. Jack Johnson. Just another long line of What if's.

Yawwwwnnnnnn. Wake me up when these threads get interesting. We already know that this guy doesn't want to get exposed. That's the only reason someone would avoid the tests in the 1st place. He doesn't want people to see the Manny that the commentators were saying was showing signs of declining. We saw it already do there's no reason to act like a bitch. He's gonna get whooped any ol' way.

Sadly, I believe this will be the case... FOREVER!

And that may very well be true! The fans seem to want it more than they do!

Am I allowed to post links from other boxin' forums, or is that against the rules? If I'm allowed to, I'll post a link to the interview.

copy and paste and link it 1st! As far as I know it is allowed! And honestly I don't know if Pac used or not but when a guy who fights @ 126 weighs in on fight night @ 135-141 & looks solid, I just don't know why so many thinks it's impossible really. I don't buy the keep all his power shit, land more punches cause of technical improvements & a better arsenal, better footwork & more movement! But it's ok, peeps will believe what they want & I understand, saying you ain't gonna take the test is not a good look @ all!

I will say forever though, if it ain't year around testing it don't mean shit! And why do the Mayweather's have discredit Pac & cockroach? I just think it is silly! Post that link bro!

His views on Floyd Mayweather Junior’s upcoming September 17 matchup against Victor Ortiz:

“My nephew can fight pretty much anybody out there and go in and beat them. My nephew’s got too much skill for these mother f*ckers! That’s why they can’t win. Boxing is about what you learn. Boxing ain’t about because you throw punches. You got to throw the punches in the right place at the right time. Anybody can lucky, but as far as skill-wise there ain’t nobody out there who can match him, period! Remember, my nephew has more skills than Sugar Ray Leonard, too.”

His views on Victor Ortiz as an opponent for his nephew:

“Ah, he’s an opponent just like all the rest of them. De La Hoya was an opponent. Shane Mosley was an opponent. That’s what he is. He’s an opponent, too.”

On whether he played part in the decision making process to choose Ortiz as Floyd’s next opponent:

“Listen, I don’t debate as to who my nephew will fight and who he won’t fight because number one, my nephew has pretty much fought all the best fighters out there. Pretty much as far as in his weight division, he fought the best fighters out there, anyway! If you talk about Ricky Hatton, he already beat Ricky Hatton. If you talk about Shane Mosley, he already beat Shane Mosley. If you talk about Marquez, he already, so any guy you talk about that, that was still fighting and was good, my nephew already beat him. So this is another challenge. That’s all. You just prepare differently for the guy that you’re fighting because all guys have a little difference in styles.”

Regarding the differences in training techniques to prepare Floyd for a southpaw:

“It’s easy! I can train any fighter so it doesn’t matter. I just trained a southpaw fighter that’s going to fight a minute ago. The number one contender I train is a southpaw. That’s Said Ouali. So training a southpaw ain’t nothing, so fighting a southpaw ain’t nothing.”

On how soon he expects to be in camp to train Floyd for Victor Ortiz:

“You ain’t have to worry about it this early because we’re a ways from the fight. You can’t be four or five months out talking about training for a fighter. It don’t take that long to get prepared for a fighter. So you start talking about fighting about two months. It don’t take no more than that to prepare for a fighter, otherwise if you do more than that you over train, anyway.”

On whether he believes Victor Ortiz is a more talented fighter than Manny Pacquiao:

“I think the guy’s got better talent. This guy Victor Ortiz has better talent than Pacquiao. Pacquiao ain’t nothing but wild, anyway! Pacquiao ain’t got no skills, period! That ain’t why he’s winning. That ain’t why he’s winning! He ain’t winning on no skills, that’s for sure.”

On the fact Victor Ortiz has agreed to take the drug test for this particular fight:

“Well that’s the thing. Like I said, this guy is more skilled than Pacquiao. Pacquiao ain’t skilled! Pacquiao’s just wild. He ain’t no skilled fighter. He ain’t got no head movement either, Pacquiao. They’re going to see how much skills he has.”

His views on Pacquiao’s last victory against Shane Mosley:

“Well like I said, he could get away with that with other fighter because, number one Mosley wanted the money. That’s why he couldn’t force him to take the test. He couldn’t force Pacquiao to take the test, but if he fights my nephew he’s going to take the test. Then you will find out what he really can do. There ain’t no way in the world a guy that’s been knocked out twice at 105 pounds is going to beat up someone like Shane Mosley at 157 pounds. There ain’t no way. The only reason why he does win with all of those guys, anybody can tell you what he does because he wouldn’t fight my nephew the first time. He wouldn’t even take the test. ‘Oh I can’t take a test! I got to take the test four days before the fight’. That already tells you. You got to take a test four days before the fight? Why? You take a test the day before the fight. That’s generally when you take a test, blood test, HIV test, all of that. You take that a day or two days before the fight. He said oh I can’t take it, I got to take it four days before the fight. That’s why the fight never happened. Hopefully it happens and when it happens everybody is going to say the same thing that they were going to say already. Floyd had too much skill for his mother f*cking ass, and if he ain’t got that sh*t in him he’s going to get knocked out! He ain’t going to get whooped, he’s going to get knocked out because he can’t fight anyway! Pacquiao can’t fight! All that wild sh*t he’s doing, he can’t fight! He does that because he’s got that sh*t in him. That’s all there is to it. How a guy who’s been knocked out twice at 105 pounds going to beat a guy at 150 pounds? Ain’t nobody no f*cking fool! And remember, when he was fighting at 105 pounds, do you think those guys at 105 pounds are better than the guys he’s fighting now—De La Hoya, Shane Mosley, Ricky Hatton—at a higher God damned weight? If you believe that something has got to be wrong with you!”

Regarding speculation that Floyd will face Pacquiao next since Ortiz is a southpaw volume puncher like Pacquiao:

“Hey, you know what? To be the best you don’t debate as pretty much who you’re going to fight. You’re getting paid to fight so that’s what it’s about. You’re getting paid to fight. Right? Okay, then. So if you getting paid enough money to fight then you’re going to fight the guy that they’re going to put you in the ring with. It would be no different with Pacquiao or any other fighter. So I don’t know if they’re talking about preparing for Pacquiao. Pacquiao ain’t no big issue, anyway. Pacquiao is a big issue to the public. He ain’t no big issue in boxing to me, because I know how he fights with all that wild ass sh*t he throws. All Pacquiao’s got to do is take that Olympic style test and Pacquiao’s going to get his ass knocked out, too. I’m going to tell you this before it ever happens. When he gets his ass whooped you know what you’re going to say to me? ‘Oh Mayweather! I didn’t think your nephew would do this to Pacquiao!’ Why? He’s been knocked out twice at 105 pounds anyway, and the only reason he can ever compete against a guy at this kind of weight is because he got that sh*t in him. That’s all there is to it! Otherwise there ain’t no way in the world a guy who’s been knocked out twice at 105 pounds is going to beat a guy at 150 pounds, not a guy with skills he ain’t!”

His views on his Floyd Junior’s long layoffs and at what point he thinks these layoffs will begin having a negative impact on his nephew’s performances:

“They will affect him. You can’t keep taking layoffs with guys that are active. You can’t keep doing it. That’s what gets fighters beat, and you can’t say oh he beat me because of this or he beat me because of that. The bottom line is layoffs hurt fighters. If you’re going to be a fighter you have to be actively fighting. If you’re going to make this your career and you’re going to be a fighter, then you have to be actively fighting. I mean that’s your job. If you want to commit to your job you have to stay on point. That means you have to be training, you have to be preparing, and you have to stay in that gym because the gym is what makes you money.”

Regarding the last time he saw Floyd training in the gym:

“Floyd ain’t been in the gym. He ain’t been in the gym. He’ll get in the gym but he ain’t been in the gym. I mean he’s going to train and get ready for the fight, he ain’t gonna slack from that but the whole thing of it is, no matter how much of a great fighter he is, when you keep taking time off, and taking time off, and you ain’t going to the gym, it diminishes your skills. That was just the boxing. It ain’t just diminishing Floyd’s skills. It would diminish any other fighter’s skills. You have seen when Ray Leonard came back and beat Marvin Hagler, right? Then he came back after another long layoff and he came back and Camacho whipped his ass. He came back and Terry Norris whipped his ass. What’s that tell you? That diminishes skills. You cannot keep taking layoffs, and layoffs, and layoffs, and think your skills are going to be the same. It ain’t going to happen.”

On whether he believes Floyd would be ready to fight Pacquiao in his next fight if he beats Victor Ortiz:

“Well I wouldn’t think he would fight Pacquiao right after fighting Victor Ortiz. I mean it would be crazy for Floyd to go in the ring with Pacquiao after fighting Victor Ortiz! Floyd needs fights. He needs to be active. Don’t get me wrong, Floyd is the greatest fighter out there, period. Right now in today’s boxing Floyd is the greatest fighter out there. But at the same time I don’t think that Floyd can do this. Floyd needs tune-ups like anybody else. It ain’t no different than any other fighter if you are going to compete with a guy who has been active all the time.”

On whether he believes Floyd would need more tune-ups after Ortiz before being ready to face Pacquiao:

“He’ll need more. It ain’t so much for Pacquiao, anyway. It’s more tune-ups to perform up to his level of performance. It ain’t so much Pacquiao as do you want to perform up to your expectations. You have to be active to do that. When you ain’t active you can’t do that. Just like what I told you about Sugar Ray Leonard. Yeah he got up for the fight for Marvin Hagler. That was the biggest fight that was out there. But what happened after that? What I’m saying is he prepared for Marvin Hagler because that was the biggest fight for him out there so he prepared for it. Remember, he fought a guy way smaller than Marvin Hagler and he got stopped. The thing of it is when you ain’t actually fighting, he looked at Camacho’s size and said this is going to be an easy fight. You know why I know that? You know why I know how he prepared for Camacho? Because he asked me! Before they ever fought he said you boxed Camacho didn’t you? I said, yeah. He said how was he? I said he wasn’t sh*t to me. I handled him easy. We never fought in the real ring because he already knew what time it was. I used to bake that ass every day. Boom! He asked me right before that fight. I ain’t had no problems with all of that but boom! But I guess he thought he would just maybe walk in there without training. That’s where he was at.”

On whether he saw Victor Ortiz’s most recent victory against Andre Berto:

“Yeah I’ve seen it. They both got dropped. I’ve seen that fight. I generally don’t watch boxing today but I just happened to come home, turned the TV on, and I had seen boxing on. I watched the last fight.”

On whether he saw any weaknesses in Ortiz’s game that he believes Floyd can exploit in the ring:

“Well I don’t know what weaknesses he has, but whatever weaknesses he has my nephew will exploit, anyway! He’s way more skilled than Andre Berto, so it don’t matter what skills he got. Whatever skills he’s got and whatever he lacks in skills he’s going to find out on that night. Remember, like I’m telling you, my nephew really ain’t an active fighter. In these days and times he’s not really an active fighter. In order to bring the best out of Floyd he has to be active. Being active makes you sharper. Being active keeps your skills up, but he’s got enough time to prepare for the guy and he’s going to his best. He may not have his best performance, but I think he’ll have enough skills to win.”

Regarding how he sees the September 17 fight between Floyd Mayweather Junior and Victor Ortiz playing out:

“It’s always skills that pay the bills. He’s the most skilled fighter out there. Skills pay the bills and like I said Floyd is the most skilled fighter out there in the world of boxing. So all Floyd has got to do is prepare and do the work that he does. He’s going to be a little diminished because he’s been laid off from boxing for a little bit, but he’s still got enough skills to overcome the other fighter. He’ll be alright once he gets the rust off him.”

On what he has to say to all the fans out there who believe that Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter in boxing today:

“Well if they say Pacquiao’s the best fighter, that tells you the people that don’t know sh*t about boxing. How is he the best fighter when he’s been knocked out twice? Does that make him the best fighter? Get them to answer that question. Tell the people who say he’s the best fighter that he’s been knocked out twice. So how can he be the best fighter? Floyd never lost, period. So how can he be the best fighter when he’s been knocked out twice? But he’s the best fighter? I ain’t never seen a guy be the best fighter when he’s been knocked out twice. So the next time they ask you that, then you say how can he be. That’s all you have to say. How can he be? He’s been knocked out twice.”

On what he has to say to all the fans out there who believe that Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter in boxing today:

“Well if they say Pacquiao’s the best fighter, that tells you the people that don’t know sh*t about boxing. How is he the best fighter when he’s been knocked out twice? Does that make him the best fighter? Get them to answer that question. Tell the people who say he’s the best fighter that he’s been knocked out twice. So how can he be the best fighter? Floyd never lost, period. So how can he be the best fighter when he’s been knocked out twice? But he’s the best fighter? I ain’t never seen a guy be the best fighter when he’s been knocked out twice. So the next time they ask you that, then you say how can he be. That’s all you have to say. How can he be? He’s been knocked out twice.”

He’s been knocked out twice at 105 pounds anyway, and the only reason he can ever compete against a guy at this kind of weight is because he got that sh*t in him. That’s all there is to it! Otherwise there ain’t no way in the world a guy who’s been knocked out twice at 105 pounds is going to beat a guy at 150 pounds, not a guy with skills he ain’t!”

That paragraph tell you all you need to know about Roger Mayweather.

caneman, i agree with your post. i think both are great, they go about their work in different ways but get the job done. and to comment on what you said about floyd's weight gain i to have thought why is it only possible for floyd to jump multiple weight classes maintaining speed, etc. but if someone else does it (manny) it's because something ain't right? look at floyd's fights back around 1999 or so as opposed to now and he's much bigger and has really filled out but that don't mean he's done something fishy does it? larry merchant summed it up when he said "in floyd's eyes no one is that good except of course for himself(floyd)" and that goes for his diehards as well. it's unfortunate because now there is beginning to be an epidemic in the sport where guys get their ass kicked and now are hollering it's because the opponent is doping.

but the only difference is floyd is willing to prove to the world as well as his loyal fans that he is clean by subjecting himself to random blood and urine tests and manny pacquiao is running in the other direction this is fact regardless of who you like

The Mayweathers and their unhealthy obssesion with Floyds "0".

Someone should tell Muhammad Ali he aint shit.

Remember this shit y'all? http://www.zshare.net/audio/676796581a1c2a9e/

Saying Manny shouldn't submit to Floyd's terms? Then why do other fighters have to submit to Manny and Arum's terms?
Arum terms Top Rank
Mannys come up or down in weight
Smaller gloves Rules are 10oz not 8oz unless both fighters agree
just to name a few lets look at Mayweather vs Manny
Manny wanted
8oz
10million per pound over
An much more ill find the rest trust me now im in the office on my phone

That's one of the reasons I don't like Manny. I don't like all this catch weight, come up or down in weight to fight me type crap, all so he can get another belt in a weight class that they aren't following all the rules for.

But also as I said in my post, the difference between Manny asking for those stipulations, and Floyd asking for the ODST, is only one of those were a result of baseless accusations meant to destroy another person's credibility.

Yes, you could say he could take the test and get it out of the way, but I think it boils down to Manny and them didn't like how Floyd disrespected him, so they're not going to give an inch to him.

That's not exactly right to do in a sense, but I understand it. Because at this point if they agree, they may view it as giving in to Floyd, or giving FLOYD what he wants, and less about just making the fight for the fans.

Egos abound.

That's one of the reasons I don't like Manny. I don't like all this catch weight, come up or down in weight to fight me type crap, all so he can get another belt in a weight class that they aren't following all the rules for.

But also as I said in my post, the difference between Manny asking for those stipulations, and Floyd asking for the ODST, is only one of those were a result of baseless accusations meant to destroy another person's credibility.

Yes, you could say he could take the test and get it out of the way, but I think it boils down to Manny and them didn't like how Floyd disrespected him, so they're not going to give an inch to him.

That's not exactly right to do in a sense, but I understand it. Because at this point if they agree, they may view it as giving in to Floyd, or giving FLOYD what he wants, and less about just making the fight for the fans.

Egos abound.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with fighters fightin' at catch-weights, but when they start fightin' title fights at catch-weights, that's when it becomes a problem. In a way, I think it's borderline cheatin'.