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thehype
Well, it looks like Greenburg has finally been axed.

Davis will probably be next...but there's an outside shot that he'll stay.

We'll see if my previous story about Rafael becoming the HBO matchmaker becomes true.

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LMAO at them giving credit to Pacquiao going to Showtime as being the primary reason. LOL.

Anyone think that Ross Greenburg saying that there were negotiations may have been attempt to keep his job, only to see Arum turn around and FUCK HIM by taking Pacquiao to Showtime anyway.

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http://www.boxingscene.com/sources-ross-gr...o-sports--41570

BoxingScene.com has learned that Ross Greenburg is out as HBO's President of Sports, and that his removal is expected to be announced as early as Monday, according to multiple sources familiar with the network's decision.

Although Greenburg will no longer be on HBO's payroll, he has apparently accepted a role as an independent producer of one or more documentaries that will be financed by HBO as part of his severance package.

Greenburg became the president of HBO Sports in the fall of 2000, replacing Seth Abraham when Abraham left Time Warner Sports to become executive vice president and chief operating officer of New York's Madison Square Garden.

Much of Greenburg's demise can be traced to the loss of boxing's biggest star, eight-division titlist Manny Pacquiao (53-3-2, 38 knockouts), to rival cable giant Showtime in May.

In May, Pacquiao's earned a unanimous decision in defense of his WBO welterweight title over Shane Mosley (46-7-1, 39 KOs), a bout that was televised on and distributed on Showtime Pay-Per-View and promoted heavily on CBS, that network's parent company.

Although it was the first time that either Pacquiao or Mosley had been televised on Showtime, Greenburg, during an interview with BoxingScene.com in January, downplayed the significance of the move by Top Rank Promotions CEO Bob Arum, promoter of the fight.

"You know, it was a business decision that Bob Arum made, and it was a one-fight deal, we'll just take it from there. But that's really all that I can say about it. We're just moving on and doing what we do best, and that's putting big fights together featuring the best fighters in the world," said Greenburg at the time.

"This is a one fight deal, so we will just wait and see what happens after this fight. It's more a matter of having established over 35 years a brand in HBO boxing, and I've been a part of it for 32 of those 35 years."So this is not going upset our positioning as the preiminant boxing network."

But that was not the view of Abraham, who was considered an architect of HBO Boxing’s rise to boxing prominence.

In a May 6 New York Times article written by Greg Bishop, Abraham compared the Pacquiao-Showtime partnership to the end of Joe DiMaggio’s 56-game hitting streak.

For years, wrote Greg Bishop, dating at least to when Mike Tyson left HBO in the mid-1990s, the network had staged the bouts of the sport’s best fighters.

"The streak is over," Abraham told The New York Times. "But the impact is not what happens in the ring. It’s what happens afterward. And there, it’s potentially very, very dramatic from a business standpoint."

In January, however, Greenburg insisted that HBO would recover from its failure to land Pacquiao-Mosley.

"That's what we've always prided ourselves on, and we continue to look for the best fighters in the world," said Greenburg. "If they're in the same division, we match them up. That's what the public expects of us, and that's what we'll continue to do."

Arum said that he still is undecided which of the two networks -- HBO or Showtime -- will get the November 12 third bout between Pacquiao and WBO and WBA light weight titlist Juan Manuel Marquez (52-5-1, 38 KOs), and the Dec. 3 rematch between WBA junior middleweight king Miguel Cotto (36-2, 29 KOs) and Antonio Margarito (38-7, 27 KOs).

The two networks still are in a bidding war over two bouts. HBO already has put out a bid to Top Rank, which expects a counter offer from Showtime on Tuesday.

A 1977 Brown University graduate and winner of the Sam Taub Award for excellence in boxing broadcasting, Greenburg was also responsible for HBO series' such as "Sports of the 20th Century," as well as "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel," and, "Inside The NFL," the latter featuring Bob Costas, Dan Marino, Cris Carter, and Chris Collinsworth.
Box in Hand
QUOTE (thehype @ Jul 15 2011, 08:20 PM) *
Well, it looks like Greenburg has finally been axed.

Davis will probably be next...but there's an outside shot that he'll stay.

We'll see if my previous story about Rafael becoming the HBO matchmaker becomes true.

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LMAO at them giving credit to Pacquiao going to Showtime as being the primary reason. LOL.

Anyone think that Ross Greenburg saying that there were negotiations may have been attempt to keep his job, only to see Arum turn around and FUCK HIM by taking Pacquiao to Showtime anyway.

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I'm not a huge boxing business guy but this guy got canned for letting one fighter got to a rival network? I mean it looked like he did some really good things at HBO and still has Mayweather Ortiz under the HBO umbrella. Must have been something else.
Hops
Must have been the Bradley-Alexander stinker.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Hops @ Jul 15 2011, 10:41 PM) *
Must have been the Bradley-Alexander stinker.


I think that would be closer. That and the ridiculous next-fight million dollar guaranteess they gave to both those party poopers.
Mean Mister Mustard
QUOTE (Box in Hand @ Jul 15 2011, 10:34 PM) *
I'm not a huge boxing business guy but this guy got canned for letting one fighter got to a rival network? I mean it looked like he did some really good things at HBO and still has Mayweather Ortiz under the HBO umbrella. Must have been something else.


It was simply the nail on the coffin for Greenburg. He had been running HBO boxing to the ground.
gravytrain
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Jul 15 2011, 10:58 PM) *
I think that would be closer. That and the ridiculous next-fight million dollar guaranteess they gave to both those party poopers.


i think HBO has been dropping the ball for a while now. a perfect example is Alexander and Bradley. HBO takes it up the ass to get them in the ring and that fight ended up being something with 0 appeal to a casual fan. Alexander's bitchass even quit. then Alexander comes back and gets a nice payday for hometown decision and Bradley as the winner of the fight wont even fight Khan for whatever reason. you give a guy like Bradley a huge opportunity and then when it's his turn to do something for HBO it's just "i'm good, i'll collect that 7 figure payday for anyone in the top 10 though". so for the millions they're spending on that fight they've got 2 mediocre fights.
Romulus9
I'd keep Ross Greenburg over Kery Davis. Davis is completely over his head. At least Greenburg was AROUND during the HBO glory days.

As for Rafael as the new matchmaker..... laugh.gif x 100,000,000
JLUVBABY
i know a lot of people dont like ol dan.. i can say i dont care for him much myself but he cant do any worse than what we've been getting... hopefully we'll see some better fights with him in there if he gets the job... At least he considers himself the ultimate boxing no-it-all....
mexi-cutioner
This guy deserved to be canned as he's definitely past his prime. over the last couple years he's brought us:
1) The bullshit amount of PPV views which should have been on the regular HBO program (ie: Mosley vs Mora; Jones Jr. vs Calzaghe; Mayweather vs Baldomir etc.)
2) the constant non-competitive matchups between young stars and sacrificial lambs
3) The constant 7-figure paydays awarded to berto for fighting nobodies (same as #2)
4) The immense favoritism the company gave to Golden Boy and Al Haymon while overlooking plenty of other solid fights (ie: Vazquez-Marquez series;
Jack 1000
QUOTE (mexi-cutioner @ Jul 16 2011, 02:46 AM) *
This guy deserved to be canned as he's definitely past his prime. over the last couple years he's brought us:
1) The bullshit amount of PPV views which should have been on the regular HBO program (ie: Mosley vs Mora; Jones Jr. vs Calzaghe; Mayweather vs Baldomir etc.)
2) the constant non-competitive matchups between young stars and sacrificial lambs
3) The constant 7-figure paydays awarded to berto for fighting nobodies (same as #2)
4) The immense favoritism the company gave to Golden Boy and Al Haymon while overlooking plenty of other solid fights (ie: Vazquez-Marquez series;


The question is, with a new head or heads at HBO's boxing department, which of the above four will go to make boxing better and more competittive? Like it was in the Dibella era?

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I'd keep Ross Greenburg over Kery Davis. Davis is completely over his head. At least Greenburg was AROUND during the HBO glory days.

As for Rafael as the new matchmaker..... x 100,000,000


I agree 100%. But at the same time, could it be worse?

Jack
Method
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Anyone think that Ross Greenburg saying that there were negotiations may have been attempt to keep his job, only to see Arum turn around and FUCK HIM by taking Pacquiao to Showtime anyway.


Doubt it. But then again, wouldn't surprise me.

These people are so fkn out of their minds about the technicality of "negotiations" that its not even worth discussing.
duwdu
All the above answers given in response to thehype's question; plus, I'll add that Mayweather complained recently that he would have expected that HBO would have made (forced?) his fight with Pacquiao already. In my book, that's quite uncharacteristic of Floyd to have to criticize HBO, even if veiled. May be HBO can see such handwriting on the wall?

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thehype
QUOTE (Method @ Jul 16 2011, 11:03 AM) *
Doubt it. But then again, wouldn't surprise me.

These people are so fkn out of their minds about the technicality of "negotiations" that its not even worth discussing.


True true. Although I found it interesting that Arum revealed that the deadline he gave was really about a promise he gave to Ross Greenburg about a "period of exclusivity"...meaning Arum promised him that he wouldn't try to make any other fights for Pacquiao up to a certain date.

If I had to guess, I'm thinking the "negotiations" went something like:

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Bob Arum: Hello.

Ross Greenburg: Bob, it's Ross.

BA: Aaaahhhh....what the fuck do you want now Ross?

RG: Bob, you gotta work with me here. I'm catching some heat to make this fight happen. Is there anything we can do to work something out?

BA: Yeah, you can quit giving all the damn dates to those idiots over at Golden Boy, and start paying us what we're worth. I've got all the top talent. If you don't quit dicking around, I'm taking all my fighters over to Showtime.

RG: Whatever you want, Bob. I just have to get this fight done. But you know Floyd wants Manny to take those tests. What if I can get them to agree to that 14-day offer they suggested during mediation? Do you think you can get Manny to agree to that?

BA: Look, I can get Manny to agree to 14 days, but I'm going to need some guarantees as far as dates for future fights are concerned.

RG: No problem Bob. Let me call Al and see what I can do. Just promise that you won't move forward with any other fights for Manny. I just need some time to work on Al, but I promise I'll get it done.

BA: You have my word, but the clock is ticking!

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Al Haymon: Hello.

Ross Greenburg: Al, it's Ross. Hey, Bob says he'll get Manny to agree to that 14 day offer you guys gave.

AH: I mean, that's great Ross, but you know how Floyd is. He said it was off the table now, so I don't think that's going to matter.

RG: Can you give him a call and see what you can do?

AH: I'll do my best.

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Bob Arum: Hello.

Ross Greenburg: Bob, it's Ross again. Hey, I talked to Al and he said he'll do his best to get Floyd to agree to those original terms.

BA: That's great. If Floyd agrees, then Manny is on board. Now about those dates...

RG: (Cutting in) Hold that though. I've got another call coming in. I'll call you back.

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Floyd Mayweather: Hello.

Al Haymon: Floyd, it's Al. Listen, Ross called and said he talked to Bob and they want to accept the 14-day offer we gave them during...

FM: (Cutting in) Fuck Bob Arum! Like I said before, that offer is off the table. Poochiao is gonna have to take the full random testing, just like Shane's ass did. Take the tests or no fight, period!

AH: That's what you want me to tell Ross?

FM: Yep!

AH: Okay!

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Ross Greenburg: Hello.

Al Haymon: Ross, Al here. I hate to say I told you so, but Floyd said no tests, no fight! The 14-day offer is off the table. Sorry.

RG: Shit! Okay, let me call Bob and see what I can do.

AH: Good luck.

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Bob Arum: Hello.

Ross Greenburg: Bob, Ross again. Look, Floyd is tripping, but give me a couple of weeks and let me see if I can work on them a bit. Maybe if I press Al a bit on some of his other fighters, he'll force Floyd to change his mind.

BA: Do what you gotta do, but I'm not waiting around forever.

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Kevin Iole: Hello.

Bob Arum: Kevin, it's Bob. Hey, good news. I wanted to let you know that we've agreed to all of Mayweather terms. It's up to him. We're just waiting for him to make a decision.


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Hotsauce
^^^^lmao
Method
QUOTE (thehype @ Jul 16 2011, 11:50 PM) *
True true. Although I found it interesting that Arum revealed that the deadline he gave was really about a promise he gave to Ross Greenburg about a "period of exclusivity"...meaning Arum promised him that he wouldn't try to make any other fights for Pacquiao up to a certain date.

If I had to guess, I'm thinking the "negotiations" went something like:

[i]Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Could be man. I started laughing as soon as I red "rrrrrrrrrring. rrrrrrrrrriiiinnngg".

Refresh my memory, isnt Greenburg the guy that was more in touch w baseball and not even a fan of boxing?

I do like Real Sports w Bryant Gumbal(sp?), and I also LOVED Inside the NFL.

As far as Rafael, man. I dunno. I think he's pretty much a fan boy of certain fighters, and his matchmaking will reflect that. Im not sure I am comfortable with him as the primary matchmaker. Now instead of Areola every week, we'll have to suffer Joel "Ahhhhhhh the Love Child" Julio, etc. Plus, Rafael has beef with certain fighters (or the other way around) - will those fighters be treated fairly?

I dont think Rafael is the be all end all of boxing...but I read his stuff (basically cuz i read most of everything from anyone when it comes to certain fights/fighters), but there's something about him being made HBO's match maker that just doesnt sit right with me, and its NOT me being a hater.



Jack 1000
QUOTE (thehype @ Jul 16 2011, 10:50 PM) *
True true. Although I found it interesting that Arum revealed that the deadline he gave was really about a promise he gave to Ross Greenburg about a "period of exclusivity"...meaning Arum promised him that he wouldn't try to make any other fights for Pacquiao up to a certain date.

If I had to guess, I'm thinking the "negotiations" went something like:

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Bob Arum: Hello.

Ross Greenburg: Bob, it's Ross.

BA: Aaaahhhh....what the fuck do you want now Ross?

RG: Bob, you gotta work with me here. I'm catching some heat to make this fight happen. Is there anything we can do to work something out?

BA: Yeah, you can quit giving all the damn dates to those idiots over at Golden Boy, and start paying us what we're worth. I've got all the top talent. If you don't quit dicking around, I'm taking all my fighters over to Showtime.

RG: Whatever you want, Bob. I just have to get this fight done. But you know Floyd wants Manny to take those tests. What if I can get them to agree to that 14-day offer they suggested during mediation? Do you think you can get Manny to agree to that?

BA: Look, I can get Manny to agree to 14 days, but I'm going to need some guarantees as far as dates for future fights are concerned.

RG: No problem Bob. Let me call Al and see what I can do. Just promise that you won't move forward with any other fights for Manny. I just need some time to work on Al, but I promise I'll get it done.

BA: You have my word, but the clock is ticking!

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Al Haymon: Hello.

Ross Greenburg: Al, it's Ross. Hey, Bob says he'll get Manny to agree to that 14 day offer you guys gave.

AH: I mean, that's great Ross, but you know how Floyd is. He said it was off the table now, so I don't think that's going to matter.

RG: Can you give him a call and see what you can do?

AH: I'll do my best.

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Bob Arum: Hello.

Ross Greenburg: Bob, it's Ross again. Hey, I talked to Al and he said he'll do his best to get Floyd to agree to those original terms.

BA: That's great. If Floyd agrees, then Manny is on board. Now about those dates...

RG: (Cutting in) Hold that though. I've got another call coming in. I'll call you back.

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Floyd Mayweather: Hello.

Al Haymon: Floyd, it's Al. Listen, Ross called and said he talked to Bob and they want to accept the 14-day offer we gave them during...

FM: (Cutting in) Fuck Bob Arum! Like I said before, that offer is off the table. Poochiao is gonna have to take the full random testing, just like Shane's ass did. Take the tests or no fight, period!

AH: That's what you want me to tell Ross?

FM: Yep!

AH: Okay!

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Ross Greenburg: Hello.

Al Haymon: Ross, Al here. I hate to say I told you so, but Floyd said no tests, no fight! The 14-day offer is off the table. Sorry.

RG: Shit! Okay, let me call Bob and see what I can do.

AH: Good luck.

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Bob Arum: Hello.

Ross Greenburg: Bob, Ross again. Look, Floyd is tripping, but give me a couple of weeks and let me see if I can work on them a bit. Maybe if I press Al a bit on some of his other fighters, he'll force Floyd to change his mind.

BA: Do what you gotta do, but I'm not waiting around forever.

Click! Click!

Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrring. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Kevin Iole: Hello.

Bob Arum: Kevin, it's Bob. Hey, good news. I wanted to let you know that we've agreed to all of Mayweather terms. It's up to him. We're just waiting for him to make a decision.


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Classic!!!! Classic Post!!!! Thanks Hype!

Jack
jlupi
Ross Greenburg, the longtime head of HBO Sports, is leaving the pay-television channel.

The move was not entirely unexpected. Over the last several months speculation has grown that there was tension between Greenburg and his bosses at HBO over the defection of boxer Manny Pacquiao to rival Showtime.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainm...g-exiting-.html
Method
This just in: The earth is not flat.
Jack 1000
Check out Danny's article on the front page. It is brilliant, and explains many reasons why Greenburg was forced out:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content10373.html

Jack
daprofessor
QUOTE (Box in Hand @ Jul 15 2011, 09:34 PM) *
I'm not a huge boxing business guy but this guy got canned for letting one fighter got to a rival network? I mean it looked like he did some really good things at HBO and still has Mayweather Ortiz under the HBO umbrella. Must have been something else.


when u have guys like thomas hauser, dan rafael and steve kim championing bob arums cause when they write...it's easy to understand. outside of being huge critics...none have ever done anything business-wise in boxing that comes remotely close to the responsibilities greenburg had. apparently, they understand boxing better than the hbo execs. it puzzles me that none of them have filled the vacant position yet. i'm sorry...but matchmaking is not something dan rafael can do. the guy breaks stories first and that's nice for fans to read about...but clearly that doesn't qualify him to be a matchmaker. it's easy to play arm chair quarterback after the mistakes have been made.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Hops @ Jul 15 2011, 09:41 PM) *
Must have been the Bradley-Alexander stinker.


who knew up front that fight would turn out the way it did? prior to...everyone was going on about how it was the best vs the best in that division.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 12 2011, 06:11 PM) *
who knew up front that fight would turn out the way it did? prior to...everyone was going on about how it was the best vs the best in that division.


I think everone recognised that it at least had 2 out of the best 3 in the division but if you checked the boards before this fight there was a pretty decent amount of an opinion that the fight would be chessmatch and stylistic nightmare ie. a boring fight and that is what we got.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mexi-cutioner @ Jul 16 2011, 02:46 AM) *
This guy deserved to be canned as he's definitely past his prime. over the last couple years he's brought us:
1) The bullshit amount of PPV views which should have been on the regular HBO program (ie: Mosley vs Mora; Jones Jr. vs Calzaghe; Mayweather vs Baldomir etc.)
2) the constant non-competitive matchups between young stars and sacrificial lambs
3) The constant 7-figure paydays awarded to berto for fighting nobodies (same as #2)
4) The immense favoritism the company gave to Golden Boy and Al Haymon while overlooking plenty of other solid fights (ie: Vazquez-Marquez series;


1) did u order those? i didn't.
2) i agree.
3) berto has been in some great fights on hbo. his last one with ortiz is foty in my book...and his fights with collazo and quintana were exciting.
4) there needs to be more than one source for fights besides bob arum. i don't know how u feel about it...but them passing on ssm/pac was a good move.

i do believe there is some truth to what the critics have to say about hbo. they do over-pay and need to budget a little better. guaranteeing guys paydays for taking on big risk is not a bad thing. i think it needs to be structured a little differently. the winner should get the guaranteed date...loser should be offered an undercard slot instead of headlining and the purse should reflect the risk.
daprofessor
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 12 2011, 05:19 PM) *
I think everone recognised that it at least had 2 out of the best 3 in the division but if you checked the boards before this fight there was a pretty decent amount of an opinion that the fight would be chessmatch and stylistic nightmare ie. a boring fight and that is what we got.


i guess i'm in the minority....i enjoy chess matches.
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