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blackbelt2003
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/wbc-to-san...s-barrios-90970


According to the above, Erik Morales could be in line to get himself a title shot. With Bradley moving up to welter and Alexander apparently doing the same, good ol' El Terrible is in line to get the title shot vs Jorge Barrios.


Personally I'd like to see Morales at lightweight (I'm sure he'd get the same shot for Soto's old belt) as he'd be slimmer and sharper at the weight, but considering Barrios himself is a shopworn veteran, this is a winnable fight for him.



So I guess Khan-Morales for the undisputed title is in the foreseeable future maybe?




Black
and the NEW
Bradley will be the 'champion in recess'? WTF, now we have diamond belts, silver belts, champions in recess, what next? The WBC used to be the most credible organisation, now it as bigger joke as the rest.

There is only one true title!
caneman
I am glad he is but really want him to stop fighting and enjoy his health!

QUOTE (and the NEW @ Jul 26 2011, 06:53 PM) *
Bradley will be the 'champion in recess'? WTF, now we have diamond belts, silver belts, champions in recess, what next? The WBC used to be the most credible organisation, now it as bigger joke as the rest.

There is only one true title!



Next is the tin foil belt! lolz
and the NEW
QUOTE (caneman @ Jul 27 2011, 01:43 AM) *
I am glad he is but really want him to stop fighting and enjoy his health!




Next is the tin foil belt! lolz


hahahahaha, literally, it probably will come next!

Or maybe they will just hand out plastic replicas you can buy at some $2 shop!
caneman
QUOTE (and the NEW @ Jul 26 2011, 09:32 PM) *
hahahahaha, literally, it probably will come next!

Or maybe they will just hand out plastic replicas you can buy at some $2 shop!



The ABC's are getting to be a joke anyhow, did you know only one of them even has Gamboa ranked? Think about that bullshit!
and the NEW
QUOTE (caneman @ Jul 27 2011, 04:11 AM) *
The ABC's are getting to be a joke anyhow, did you know only one of them even has Gamboa ranked? Think about that bullshit!


Yeh. It is rediculous.

It's why I really hope DLH continues to push the Ring belt, it is the only real belt these days.

Even 'unified champ' used to be legit. Now they say it when you just unify 2 of the (now 4) 'major' belts. My cousin was saying, oh so Khan is the undisputed 140lb champ and I was like na, and he was like, yeh he is, they said 'unified'.

Fukc it.

The Ring belt is the only champ now and I'm pretty sure the champ doesn't pay the org to hold that belt, what kind of BS is that to begin with!!!! You pay an org to declare you champ, then 1000 others pop up to get $$$ the same way. Talk about a land of unregulated cowboys!
ViperSniper
I'm a massive fan of Erik Morales, however I'm not a big fan of him getting all these opportunities of claiming a fourth title though. He fought for a 'title' against Maidaina and now possibly another against Barrios???

Now we got Bradley not gonna be considered champion?? We are one fight away of from getting the only undisputed champion in the sport today, yet so close to this division getting torn apart!
blackbelt2003
Well in the WBC's defence, Bradley is moving up to welterweight so can't really be considered jr welter champ if he's not gonna fight at jr welter again.


On the otherside of the coin....Jorge Barrios and Erik Morales are the two best available contenders?


Here's a crazy thought, why not have AMIR KHAN as one of the co-contenders for the belt. He's clearly the best in the world with Bradley moving up. Tell Khan he can fight for the WBC belt alongside his WBA and IBF belts if he fights the next available contender...which should not be Morales or Barrios.




Black
xxxxxx
QUOTE (and the NEW @ Jul 26 2011, 06:53 PM) *
Bradley will be the 'champion in recess'? WTF, now we have diamond belts, silver belts, champions in recess, what next? The WBC used to be the most credible organisation, now it as bigger joke as the rest.

There is only one true title!


The only True Title in my opinion has been the RING Champion for some time now. I know some people disagree with the RING, but I have seen nothing better.
Jack 1000
My problem is that fighters shouldn't lose title recognition just for inactivity. Not to mention only six months of inactivity. The Champion in Recess was supposed to be an Emeritus Belt that they would give fighters who were champs that could not fight for medical reasons. Tszyu was the first boxer to get an Emeritus Belt If they want Morales to fight Barrios, make it some type of elimination bout, but no belt should go with this fight.

To clear up confusion:

The Diamond Belt has no sanctioning fees or rules for defense. It's an honorary belt that the WBC gives to two superfighters, who engage in a contest outside of their weight class. It's a commemorative thing only. Like an Olympic medal.

Silver Belts are awarded to the winners of matches between the #1 and #2 champions in the WBC. The Silver Belt is a "Title Elimination winner's belt." They have sanctioning rules and defense requirements. Silver belts replace the phrase, "Interim Champion" which the WBC felt was awkward, When you win a silver belt, you are the automatic contender for the WBC World Championship.

Jack
Jack 1000
I sense that there is very strong Mexican political bias with the sanctioning of Morales-Barrios for a WBC world championship. I hate the way that Jose Sulaiman, Bob Arum, and Delahoya's Golden Boy Promotions, are giving undeserving shots to Latin-American and Hispanic fighters, because of these political ties. It is not ethical for Tim Bradley to be kicked under the bus like this. others have suggested a support of Ring Belts instead of alphabet titles. However, not my comments to the post below:

QUOTE (xxxxxx @ Jul 27 2011, 11:30 AM) *
The only True Title in my opinion has been the RING Champion for some time now. I know some people disagree with the RING, but I have seen nothing better.


I think it may be the best for simplicity. But Ring Belts sometimes are more driven by popularity contests rather than elimination bouts in the Ring. My problem is that the Ring can never strip fighter for ANYTHING because they don't have the power to force fights inside the Ring. Now if the boxing networks start making Ring Champions fight inside squared-circle and over-riding the alphabet belts by actually boxing in the boxing ring, than you might have something with merit. If fact, up until the 70's, Ring Champions actually did fight top contenders for Ring Belts with the alphabet federations almost never mentioned.

If you want The Ring to get back to that system by having Ring Champions fight and defend belts in the ring than it really matters. But right now, it's based more on opinion, even though I think the Ring ratings ARE for the most part better than the alphabet ratings.

And I will never forget the Ring calling Corrie Sanders a heavyweight champion either! They also rated Gatti in a division that he never fought, based on his popularity with HBO. I do give Ring some credit for being easiest to follow the champions and contenders of any other boxing rating system.

Jack
BigG
BS but Morales vs Barrios will surely be a war..
Jack 1000
I hate the Mexian favoritism bias of the WBC and Bob Arum:

You can be a former Mexican or Latin American Champion and commit some heinous act or try some heinous act, like Margacheato plastering his gloves before the Mosley fight, and the WBC, just because it is ruled by a little Mexican dictator in Sualiman acts like a defense attorney protecting a known guilty client giving him second, third, and forth chances. And when the general public says this is wrong and bad for boxing, Jose and Bob Arum, who's main agenda is protecting his Mexican-Latin American/PPV fan base says that the general public is discriminating against the fighter who did the bad act in the first place.

All this bribery and bullshit goes against so many of the great things and pound things that Mexican boxing HAS stood for, tradition, loyalty, class and respect. And when Bob and Jose come out and do these kinds of things that are so immoral and unethical it is very painful for our great sport.

And remember when Delahoya's Golden Boy Promotions was supposed to save boxing by NOT being like Arum and King? Hahahahahahaha!!! All three are doing the same shit!

Jack
BoxingWizard23
SMH. Erik Morales should have fought Lucas Matthysse for that title. Or the winner of the Guerrero-Maidana fight should get that title and unify with Khan. SMH these belts are all falling off. It's all about the money and less about the glory these days. The Ring belt and the WBC are the only belts that are legit and the WBC is losing it's credibility with it's bullshit rankings and sanctionings.
Jack 1000
QUOTE (BigG @ Jul 27 2011, 02:26 PM) *
BS but Morales vs Barrios will surely be a war..


I think so too!

Jack
Fitz
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 28 2011, 02:51 PM) *
I think so too!

Jack


Jack1000, can you merge my 'Hopkins at 140' thread into my 'Hopkins at cruiser'

Thanks.
Sunni6Killer
n a transparent, boldly biased, and rather pathetic move, the WBC has chosen to sanction a junior welterweight title fight between Erik Morales and Jorge Barrios on the September 17 Mayweather vs Ortiz pay-per-view undercard.

Let's count the ways that this sucks and not pretend that it doesn't.

First off, Timothy Bradley held the title. Fine, nobody likes Tim Bradley right now. But he was within his mandatory period. He just won the belt in January when he beat Devon Alexander. By the WBC's rules, there is no valid reason to strip Bradley of the belt right now. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Q: Why is the WBC stripping Timothy Bradley?
A: Because it benefits Erik Morales.

I hate to say this about Erik Morales, because I love him as a fighter. He's one of my absolute favorite fighters ever. And he still fights hard when he gets in the ring, and he's proven that his comeback wasn't quite as ill-advised as we all thought. He's a true boxing warrior. We all love Erik Morales.

But this is an obvious plot by the WBC to put their 140-pound belt on Morales, which would make him the first ever four-division "champion" in Mexican boxing history. It's cheap, it's obvious, and it sucks. Morales vs Barrios is a good fight, really. It should have plenty of action and be exciting, and might well steal the show on the card.

Star-divide

Here's the reality, though: Morales is ranked No. 3 by the WBC. This is silly enough (they also have Humberto Soto automatically ranked No. 4), but let's go a bit deeper. Let's talk about Barrios. He's never fought at 140 pounds. Ever. Not even once. And he's not a WBC "champion" moving up, either. He's not even ranked at 135 pounds -- not in their top 40. We're talking about a rankings list that includes the likes of Humberto Toledo, Dejan Zlaticanin, Logan McGuinness, and others.

I'm not intending to dump on those fighters, but what I'm saying is that obviously it's not exactly hard to be ranked by the WBC in a top 40, and frankly it's not THAT hard to get ranked in a legitimate, unbiased top 40 in any division either. Barrios, for the record, is definitely one of the 40 top lightweights in the world. Top 20, even, arguably top 15. But we're not dealing with unbiased rankings. We're dealing with the WBC's rankings.

But he has never fought at 140, and he has no business fighting for a vacant title. It does not add up. This is pure, unfiltered bias from the WBC, and anyone can see it. If Morales wins, the WBC and Golden Boy and probably HBO will celebrate and go nuts, but it will be an empty fourth title, and it will diminish what should have been a momentous moment, even in an era of useless title belts that are thrown around willy nilly.

And if the WBC weren't showing bias here, and they decided to wrongly strip Timothy Bradley of the belt anyway, the fight that should be for the vacant title is the already-scheduled eliminator on September 30 between Ali Chebah and Ajose Olusegun. I said all of this yesterday, but it's worth repeating. And certainly, this is all just my opinion. You are free to disagree if you wish, and praise Morales vs Barrios as a great title fight, and that's fine, I guess, but I just can't get on board with this. It even lessens my excitement for what IS, again, a GOOD FIGHT that should be fun to watch. Because they've tacked on this belt and will completely ignore that it's an obvious, cheap tactic to crown Erik Morales. If anyone deserves to be cheaply crowned, sure, it's someone like Erik Morales.

But I don't think he deserves the backlash that this news will bring from people who know what it really is, either. This is criticism that should be directed at the WBC. All Morales and Golden Boy did was take advantage


http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/7/28/23012...ortiz-undercard
Eighty88Eight
why does it suck? I know we all expect the normally upright WBC to adhere to their concisely outlined procedures, but we ought not classify their organization as corrupt or biased because of this one, isolated decision.
Romulus9
The WBC has been a joke for a long, long time.

They haven't been upright in years.
Eighty88Eight
it's called irony and sarcasm
EpTXCHAMP
golden boy is in on this too...

It is a complete shame I can already see the future...Morales wins and Golden boy sets him up to get killed and forced to retire by KHAN in December its a shame sad.gif
Fitz
I don't think Morales should be fighting Barrios for a world title, and I love Morales. But at the same time, I don't care that Bradley is getting stripped. He has been sitting on the side lines for way too long, has no interest in fighting Khan or anyone else at 140 at this point, and basically sitting around waiting for a shot at 147 against Pacquiao. Fuck him.
Lil-lightsout
The mexican WBC president getting the mexican Morales a title shot, not surprising at all.
Eighty88Eight
jose sulaiman should perhaps become the titular head of Los Zetos at this point
ViperSniper
QUOTE (Sunni6Killer @ Jul 28 2011, 10:30 PM) *
n a transparent, boldly biased, and rather pathetic move, the WBC has chosen to sanction a junior welterweight title fight between Erik Morales and Jorge Barrios on the September 17 Mayweather vs Ortiz pay-per-view undercard.

Let's count the ways that this sucks and not pretend that it doesn't.

First off, Timothy Bradley held the title. Fine, nobody likes Tim Bradley right now. But he was within his mandatory period. He just won the belt in January when he beat Devon Alexander. By the WBC's rules, there is no valid reason to strip Bradley of the belt right now. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Q: Why is the WBC stripping Timothy Bradley?
A: Because it benefits Erik Morales.

I hate to say this about Erik Morales, because I love him as a fighter. He's one of my absolute favorite fighters ever. And he still fights hard when he gets in the ring, and he's proven that his comeback wasn't quite as ill-advised as we all thought. He's a true boxing warrior. We all love Erik Morales.

But this is an obvious plot by the WBC to put their 140-pound belt on Morales, which would make him the first ever four-division "champion" in Mexican boxing history. It's cheap, it's obvious, and it sucks. Morales vs Barrios is a good fight, really. It should have plenty of action and be exciting, and might well steal the show on the card.

Star-divide

Here's the reality, though: Morales is ranked No. 3 by the WBC. This is silly enough (they also have Humberto Soto automatically ranked No. 4), but let's go a bit deeper. Let's talk about Barrios. He's never fought at 140 pounds. Ever. Not even once. And he's not a WBC "champion" moving up, either. He's not even ranked at 135 pounds -- not in their top 40. We're talking about a rankings list that includes the likes of Humberto Toledo, Dejan Zlaticanin, Logan McGuinness, and others.

I'm not intending to dump on those fighters, but what I'm saying is that obviously it's not exactly hard to be ranked by the WBC in a top 40, and frankly it's not THAT hard to get ranked in a legitimate, unbiased top 40 in any division either. Barrios, for the record, is definitely one of the 40 top lightweights in the world. Top 20, even, arguably top 15. But we're not dealing with unbiased rankings. We're dealing with the WBC's rankings.

But he has never fought at 140, and he has no business fighting for a vacant title. It does not add up. This is pure, unfiltered bias from the WBC, and anyone can see it. If Morales wins, the WBC and Golden Boy and probably HBO will celebrate and go nuts, but it will be an empty fourth title, and it will diminish what should have been a momentous moment, even in an era of useless title belts that are thrown around willy nilly.

And if the WBC weren't showing bias here, and they decided to wrongly strip Timothy Bradley of the belt anyway, the fight that should be for the vacant title is the already-scheduled eliminator on September 30 between Ali Chebah and Ajose Olusegun. I said all of this yesterday, but it's worth repeating. And certainly, this is all just my opinion. You are free to disagree if you wish, and praise Morales vs Barrios as a great title fight, and that's fine, I guess, but I just can't get on board with this. It even lessens my excitement for what IS, again, a GOOD FIGHT that should be fun to watch. Because they've tacked on this belt and will completely ignore that it's an obvious, cheap tactic to crown Erik Morales. If anyone deserves to be cheaply crowned, sure, it's someone like Erik Morales.

But I don't think he deserves the backlash that this news will bring from people who know what it really is, either. This is criticism that should be directed at the WBC. All Morales and Golden Boy did was take advantage


http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/7/28/23012...ortiz-undercard



Great post!

I understand Bradley is going through promotional issues and is also not going through negotiations with Khan in a chance to get an even bigger fight, but he fought only 6 months ago. Is that long enough for him to be stripped?

Anyways, I don't think Morales-Barrios deserves to fight for the WBC title. Matthyess, Maidana or even Kotelnik would be more worthy of fighting for a world title at 140.
Jack 1000
QUOTE (ViperSniper @ Jul 29 2011, 01:17 AM) *
Great post!

I understand Bradley is going through promotional issues and is also not going through negotiations with Khan in a chance to get an even bigger fight, but he fought only 6 months ago. Is that long enough for him to be stripped?

Anyways, I don't think Morales-Barrios deserves to fight for the WBC title. Matthyess, Maidana or even Kotelnik would be more worthy of fighting for a world title at 140.



As I understand it. Tim Bradley won't be stripped. He will be a champion in recess. I am still not sure what that means. I think that Barrios-Morales could be a great fight! But for a world title? FUCK NO!

Jack
Cshel86
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 29 2011, 02:58 AM) *
As I understand it. Tim Bradley won't be stripped. He will be a champion in recess. I am still not sure what that means. I think that Barrios-Morales could be a great fight! But for a world title? FUCK NO!

Jack

"Champion in recess" is similar to a cop pulling you over and giving you a "citation". In other words, he is being stripped...slowly. It's not like the WBC hasn't stripped/forced him to vacate that title before. Yeah he only fought 6 months ago, but his delusional ego and recent words probably led up to this as well as the litigation. He messed up when he started running off at the mouth saying, "Forget Khan, I want Mayweather and Pacquiao"...translation..."I dont care if Im holding two major titles while slowing down the progress of the division. Im just gonna sit on my ass, hold the titles, and wait til I get what I want...then Im gonna drop those bitches and leave the division for something better...all just to get my ass kicked and have nowhere else to turn". It's obvious that Khan is going to fight one more time before the end of the year, and Bradley has on intentions on fighting him (as he stated in delusional rant), so Bradley would be inactive when January rolls around. Who wants two titles held up for a whole year, and the fighter is inactive.

Most think that Morales doesn't deserve a shot at the title, but I disagree. Think about it, who at 140, has headlined a PPV event? Morales had to bring his old ass back into the game and do what these "promising and rising stars" have failed to do. Of course, he picked a great and dangerous opponent (Maidana) to make that PPV happen as well. All of these other idiots have left us floating in the wind and wondering who the champ will be at 140, while they only think of themselves and scream for May or Pac dntknw.gif I have to give it to Morales, now he will be on the undercard of the hugest PPV of the year, fighting for a title, and paving the way for bigger and better things for this latter stage of his career. Let's face it, not many of these young guys in the division (or boxing as of lately) can put asses in seats, so the aging veterans have to continue to stick their necks out there and make it happen for the fans.

Somebody mentioned the irony of Mexicans getting a shot at vacant WBC titles, and I see where that is going. Let's not forget that Mexicans have the biggest fan base in boxing...translation...more viewers and money to be made for the sport. Morales and Alvarez will do a pretty good job defending vacant titles and keeping viewers on the edge of their seats...besides, Alvarez sold out (or damn near sold out) that arena in Mexico for the Rhodes fight back in June, and I believe it was between 10-12k people there. Margarito stunk it up against Pac for that vacant 154 lb title (though neither of them campaigned at 154), and for the life of me, I will never understand why people even watch Julio Casear Chavez Jr fight, smh.
Cshel86
QUOTE (BoxingWizard23 @ Jul 28 2011, 12:00 AM) *
SMH. Erik Morales should have fought Lucas Matthysse for that title. Or the winner of the Guerrero-Maidana fight should get that title and unify with Khan. SMH these belts are all falling off. It's all about the money and less about the glory these days. The Ring belt and the WBC are the only belts that are legit and the WBC is losing it's credibility with it's bullshit rankings and sanctionings.

Morales could still fight those three guys for the title...after he wins it. Great observation, those are great selections of opponents for Morales. Its not like he doesn't want to Guerrero and a rematch with Maidana will do twice the PPV numbers as the first fight (I bought it and was a great fight) and there will be more drama behind it. I would careful if I were Morales, in regards to facing Lucas Matthysse. The younger Morales? Yes! The current Morales? Not so sure. At least we will have an active champion who sells tickets. Let's face it, Bradley wouldn't and had no intentions on fighting either of these guys.
Jack 1000
Here is the WBC's press release from Fight News on the WBC Situation:

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/wbc-buzz-91261

It clarifies the "Champion in Recess" issue, but still does not eliminate the perceived bias as to why Morales should be allowed to box Barrios for the title. The WBC would have done better to allow a box-off between the legitimate contenders who have been active. Yes, Erik's fight with Maidana was a classic, but Erik did not win it. Barrios still has no business fighting for this title, despite the belief among boxing scribes that he will come out swinging.

The WBC may be reluctant to wait on the sidelines to see what Bradley does next, but a fighter who just fought in January does not represent a very long extended period of time for inactivity. As many champions have gone a year or more without defending the title with no action taken against them.

Jack
SmartyBeardo
Morales v barrios for a title is flat out bullshit. But whatever. Doesn't every boxer with a pulse have a belt?
mgrover
titles are whores, sold to the highest bidders. for that one night stand, till someone exposes them and KOs them.
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