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EAlbian
What do you guys think? In years past GBP had the big stars but no up and comers and Top Rank had the deeper prospect pool and mid range names but it seems as though the tides have turned.

I wish they would do Top Rank vs GBP cards or GSP vs DiBella on SHO box or Boxing after dark or one of the other up and comers tv outlets. I think that would be a cool premise.
caneman
I think there is many layers to the onion but Top Rank has a bit more only cause they have been around longer but GBP is putting on way better and deeper cards! They are killing Top Rank, in fact even FNF's is beating Top Ranks cards @ the moment...Arum needs to really start paying attention to that fact!
Cshel86
For years, boxing fans have been hoping for rival promoters to match their top fighters, but this is boxing and it's "business" as they say, so we are usually stuck with having to appreciate the fights that put out their. Caneman was right about Top Rank having more fighters, and we are starting to see what Golden Boy can cook up for boxing fans. This upcoming PPV is the first card in a long time (if ever) that I feel Im going to get my money's worth drinks.gif
EAlbian
QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 8 2011, 01:29 PM) *
I think there is many layers to the onion but Top Rank has a bit more only cause they have been around longer but GBP is putting on way better and deeper cards! They are killing Top Rank, in fact even FNF's is beating Top Ranks cards @ the moment...Arum needs to really start paying attention to that fact!


I was talking more in terms of stable of fighters.

GBP: Victor Ortiz, Amir Khan, Robert Guerrero, Erik Morales, Miadana, Mathysee, Broner, Mares, Canelo Avarez, Erislandy Lara, Seth Mitchell, Deontay Wilder, James Kirkland, Gary Russel Jr, Jorge Linares.... those are just what i can name off the top of my head

Top Rank: Pacquaio, Cotto, Gamboa, Lopez, Fernando Montiel, JCC JR,
Vanes Martirosyan, Rigonduex, Rios, Pavlik, Mikey Gracia, Margarito, Mike Jones, Nonito Donaire, Jorge Arce, Jose Benavidez... off the top of my head

To me it just looks like GBP has more for the future and have really closed the gap on Top Rank.

Who wins head to head?
caneman
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Aug 8 2011, 12:45 PM) *
I was talking more in terms of stable of fighters.

GBP: Victor Ortiz, Amir Khan, Robert Guerrero, Erik Morales, Miadana, Mathysee, Broner, Mares, Canelo Avarez, Erislandy Lara, Seth Mitchell, Deontay Wilder, James Kirkland, Gary Russel Jr, Jorge Linares.... those are just what i can name off the top of my head

Top Rank: Pacquaio, Cotto, Gamboa, Lopez, Fernando Montiel, JCC JR,
Vanes Martirosyan, Rigonduex, Rios, Pavlik, Mikey Gracia, Margarito, Mike Jones, Nonito Donaire, Jorge Arce, Jose Benavidez... off the top of my head

To me it just looks like GBP has more for the future and have really closed the gap on Top Rank.

Who wins head to head?



Again bro, with all the layers, TRP by a hair with GBP closing the gap fast and might have the better prospects and better Latino fighters...to close to call but by the end of the year GBP could easily be ahead of TRP!
EAlbian
QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 8 2011, 02:01 PM) *
Again bro, with all the layers, TRP by a hair with GBP closing the gap fast and might have the better prospects and better Latino fighters...to close to call but by the end of the year GBP could easily be ahead of TRP!


we are on same page, agree with you fully. Golden Boy looks to really be stepping it up, lets hope Top Rank decides to answer the challenge and some really great fight cards get made.

Side note: I forgot to add B-Hop to GBP stable
Cshel86
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Aug 8 2011, 01:45 PM) *
I was talking more in terms of stable of fighters.

GBP: Victor Ortiz, Amir Khan, Robert Guerrero, Erik Morales, Miadana, Mathysee, Broner, Mares, Canelo Avarez, Erislandy Lara, Seth Mitchell, Deontay Wilder, James Kirkland, Gary Russel Jr, Jorge Linares.... those are just what i can name off the top of my head

Top Rank: Pacquaio, Cotto, Gamboa, Lopez, Fernando Montiel, JCC JR,
Vanes Martirosyan, Rigonduex, Rios, Pavlik, Mikey Gracia, Margarito, Mike Jones, Nonito Donaire, Jorge Arce, Jose Benavidez... off the top of my head

To me it just looks like GBP has more for the future and have really closed the gap on Top Rank.

Who wins head to head?

GBP will beat most of Arum's Top Rank fighters in a fight any day, but GBP loses when it comes to selling tickets and so forth...simply because Arum's "in-house matching" has almost completely backfired on him. Most of Arum's top guys have beaten eachother to a pulp and they are hanging on by a thread. One thing I can say about Arum's fighters is that they can sell tickets and they get the job done. Let's not forget that the young, promising, and rising stars haven't really given boxing what it needs in the past few years...look how the fighters in the 140lb crashed their majic carpet and hurt the sport.

For now, let's leave it to the older fighters who are at risk of getting hurt, to keep the sport going. If it took Morales vs Maidana to make a PPV possible in the 140lb division, then that should tell us everything we need to know. Arum has the fighters that headline PPVs and Oscar has the young rising stars (that have more work to do). Let's see the improvement of GBP after Sept. 17th!
caneman
Arum really blew it when it comes down to Juanma vs Gamboa and that would be a fun, but after seeing how slow Juanma was in his loss, Gamboa would totally destroy him IMO! Again, Arum better wake up and pay attention to what is really going on!
EAlbian
QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 8 2011, 02:22 PM) *
Arum really blew it when it comes down to Juanma vs Gamboa and that would be a fun, but after seeing how slow Juanma was in his loss, Gamboa would totally destroy him IMO! Again, Arum better wake up and pay attention to what is really going on!



Yea i really don't get what he was trying to accomplish with having Jaunma vs Salido. Salido gave Gamboa a fight and and stood up to everything he threw at him. I understand building a fight but Salido was the wrong opponent to do that against. The fight is really worth very little now, when you have two guys who are in their primes, undefeated, and have belts in multiple divisions you fight them. Promoters have done this time and time again. I agree that Gamboa would have been too much for Juanma and still is but it would have been fun to watch and really would have rose Gamboa's stock. I think Gamboa and Donaire are the next to fighters who we see rise up multiple divisions. Arum needs to bring Donaire up to 122 and fight Arce for that belt instead of the other way around. Donaire is too big for 118 and big fights are available for him up the scales. Same with Gamboa, he needs to go to 130 and then test the waters at 135. I really believe in 2 years we could see Gamboa fighting in the 135-140lb division and the same for Donaire in the next 3 years
caneman
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Aug 8 2011, 02:04 PM) *
Yea i really don't get what he was trying to accomplish with having Jaunma vs Salido. Salido gave Gamboa a fight and and stood up to everything he threw at him. I understand building a fight but Salido was the wrong opponent to do that against. The fight is really worth very little now, when you have two guys who are in their primes, undefeated, and have belts in multiple divisions you fight them. Promoters have done this time and time again. I agree that Gamboa would have been too much for Juanma and still is but it would have been fun to watch and really would have rose Gamboa's stock. I think Gamboa and Donaire are the next to fighters who we see rise up multiple divisions. Arum needs to bring Donaire up to 122 and fight Arce for that belt instead of the other way around. Donaire is too big for 118 and big fights are available for him up the scales. Same with Gamboa, he needs to go to 130 and then test the waters at 135. I really believe in 2 years we could see Gamboa fighting in the 135-140lb division and the same for Donaire in the next 3 years



I have thought about Gamboa vs Broner(sp) a few times!
EAlbian
QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 8 2011, 03:17 PM) *
I have thought about Gamboa vs Broner(sp) a few times!


I think that could be a very good fight. I really think Broner is as close to anything we have seen in regards to Floyd Jr and he should look at training with Floyd Sr. Right now Broner is still a little green for him imo. Broner still seems hesitant in the ring and needs to be much more active, the kid should be fighting at least 3x a year and he's just not
caneman
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Aug 8 2011, 03:02 PM) *
I think that could be a very good fight. I really think Broner is as close to anything we have seen in regards to Floyd Jr and he should look at training with Floyd Sr. Right now Broner is still a little green for him imo. Broner still seems hesitant in the ring and needs to be much more active, the kid should be fighting at least 3x a year and he's just not



Yeah, it sucks most fighters only fight 2 times a year these days as a whole! That would be a great match up though!

On another note, I think Broner should train with Brother Naazim Richardson...I just don't think Sr is that good anymore...way too much baggage that could be a distraction!!! You like Sr and while he knows boxing, no doubt, other than Jr, who has he made a world class fighter? I say no one!
EAlbian
QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 8 2011, 04:13 PM) *
Yeah, it sucks most fighters only fight 2 times a year these days as a whole! That would be a great match up though!

On another note, I think Broner should train with Brother Naazim Richardson...I just don't think Sr is that good anymore...way too much baggage that could be a distraction!!! You like Sr and while he knows boxing, no doubt, other than Jr, who has he made a world class fighter? I say no one!



I don't disagree with what you're saying about sr, i think he just hasnt had the right pupil lately. Chad Dawson's best win imo was Adamek, sr trained him for that fight. I though De La Hoya looked best with Sr(Mosley 2 and Vargas). He prepared Paris for his fight against Coleman and i have to say that was his best win by far. I think he's very underrated and has had good fighters that lack the dedication that Mayweather demands. I do think he can be very distraction and demands attention when the attention should be given to the fighter. Brother Naz would be good but i think Broner could be deadly with that shoulder roll and defensive style and i think Floyd Sr could possibly give it to him. Not to mention Broner idolizes Mayweather which is why i think it may actually work
caneman
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Aug 8 2011, 03:55 PM) *
I don't disagree with what you're saying about sr, i think he just hasnt had the right pupil lately. Chad Dawson's best win imo was Adamek, sr trained him for that fight. I though De La Hoya looked best with Sr(Mosley 2 and Vargas). He prepared Paris for his fight against Coleman and i have to say that was his best win by far. I think he's very underrated and has had good fighters that lack the dedication that Mayweather demands. I do think he can be very distraction and demands attention when the attention should be given to the fighter. Brother Naz would be good but i think Broner could be deadly with that shoulder roll and defensive style and i think Floyd Sr could possibly give it to him. Not to mention Broner idolizes Mayweather which is why i think it may actually work



BHop has a good shoulder roll himself and is a great defensive fighter as well and not so abrasive and knows how to talk better to a fighter IMO and I thought McGirt trained Dawson in that fight?
EAlbian
QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 8 2011, 05:00 PM) *
BHop has a good shoulder roll himself and is a great defensive fighter as well and not so abrasive and knows how to talk better to a fighter IMO and I thought McGirt trained Dawson in that fight?



McGirt trained Adamek in that fight, McGirt started training him for the 2nd Briggs fight(which i was at) and left him after the loss to dawson
JONdaCON817
QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 8 2011, 04:00 PM) *
BHop has a good shoulder roll himself and is a great defensive fighter as well and not so abrasive and knows how to talk better to a fighter IMO and I thought McGirt trained Dawson in that fight?


BHop would make an excellent trainer... with his skills, motivation, mindset, experience, wisdom, etc. hed be an honor to work with... thats a guy with serious Pull.
caneman
QUOTE (JONdaCON817 @ Aug 8 2011, 04:44 PM) *
BHop would make an excellent trainer... with his skills, motivation, mindset, experience, wisdom, etc. hed be an honor to work with... thats a guy with serious Pull.


And most of all BHop and Naaz bring dedication and would not get side tracked! Again Sr knows boxing but he don't talk wrong to his fighters right! It's ashame really!
EAlbian
QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 8 2011, 06:15 PM) *
And most of all BHop and Naaz bring dedication and would not get side tracked! Again Sr knows boxing but he don't talk wrong to his fighters right! It's ashame really!


haha thats because i'm not sure if what Mayweather speaks is actually intelligible speech at all lol. I'm pretty sure all i can understand out of Mayweather's mouth is "I'm Floyd Joy Mayweather Sr." and "Man" thats about it so i'd have to agree with you on maybe going with Naz hahaha. Maybe there is a translator that speaks retard crackhead hahaha

Note: Although being a crackhead retard Mayweather Sr knows fundamental boxing technique
JONdaCON817
QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 8 2011, 05:15 PM) *
And most of all BHop and Naaz bring dedication and would not get side tracked! Again Sr knows boxing but he don't talk wrong to his fighters right! It's ashame really!


yeaa.. he(Sr.) seems like he'd be an asshole to work with... even juss hearin how he was talkin to King Mo.. juss talkin shyt to a guy who fights for a living is deff stupid.. Naaz seems like he has the Patience of a God and will get in your ass if he has to but without being excessive.
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