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boxing4ever
Victor Ortiz is coming off his best performance to date with his unanimous decision over former undefeated WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto. In a back and forth entertaining fight, Victor pulled himself off the canvas to overwhelm Berto with his speed, power, and constant pressure. He showed the courage so many of his critics said he did not have after quitting in one of his previous fights. Dare we say his performance was beastly?

Up next for Victor is Floyd Mayweather Jr., pound 4 pound the best boxer of his era. He is a defensive specialist with superb counterpunching ability. The effort most fighters use trying to land a punch on him usually wears them down while he sits in the pocket relaxed waiting for that window of opportunity to open so he can throw lead right hands and counter check left hooks. With lightning hand speed and extremely long arms for his height, he has no problem with keeping an opponent at bay with his jab when he decides to use it. Heís one of the hardest boxers to defeat because his boxing IQ is off the charts and his conditioning is second to none.

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HazConvictedFelonMane
According to Ortiz himself, he really doesn't care. Defending his title against the best in the business, he must go balls to the wall. Whatever it takes to leave the MGM Grand with that strap, is what should be on his mind. I think he should try to catch Floyd with that one good shot that will short circuit Floyd's systems. Outboxing him is out of the question. Even though Ortiz can box (I've said in the past that he shows too much class in FIGHTS, not boxing matches), he'd be a fool to try to outbox Floyd Mayweather. Go for the knockout! In my opinion, Floyd will only lose if he gets his bell rung good enough.
Gameplan: Ortiz. Feel him out and try to land that shot. Balls to the wall
Gameplan: Mayweather Adjust and shoot killer right hands right down the pipe. Smart boxing.

mrchitown
I think Victor is really going to have to apply some tough, consistent pressure in hopes of landing a big shot. He has all the physical tools to do so, it's just a matter of if he can do it. If he tries to box Floyd, it's going to be a long night for him. Floyd's boxing IQ is so high, it's hard to imagine that big punch coming to fruition
daprofessor
he has knocked down every man he's been in the ring with professionally. that really says something. floyd is who he is...the guy who likes to sit back, make u make mistakes...then make u pay. ortiz has no choice but to go balls to the wall. the obvious choice is mayweather but the great thing about boxing...everyone has a chance.
Imperius3
Victor has quick hands and good power shots, and has knocked down every boxer he has faced in 33 fights. Victor seems to have great energy at 147, and Mayweather is 34 and coming off a long layoff. Victor needs to bring the heat and make Mayweather fight.
mrwigi
His only chance is to go balls out.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (mrwigi @ Aug 18 2011, 05:23 PM) *
His only chance is to go balls out.


Yep, trying to outbox Floyd is an exercise in futility.
BoxingStill#1
QUOTE (mrwigi @ Aug 18 2011, 06:23 PM) *
His only chance is to go balls out.


Yup

....then get OUT skilled
OUT pointed
OUT smarted
OUT classed

..... and inevitably knocked OUT

Then as he is walking OUT of the ring,.. tuck his balls back in....lls
FinitoElDinamita
FLoyd fights Southpaws very aggressively and he's going to walk Ortiz down behind a high guard.. Just look at the way he fought Chop Chop, MItchell, and Judah and there goes your answer..

A late KO for Floyd is a high possibility..
bosco
I think Ortiz will look good early in the fight but I see Floyd sitting in the pocket and taking him to school. I thing Floyd is gonna stay in his chest and break him down and then open up late in the fight and stop him.
BoxingStill#1
QUOTE (FinitoElDinamita @ Aug 19 2011, 07:27 PM) *
FLoyd fights Southpaws very aggressively and he's going to walk Ortiz down behind a high guard.. Just look at the way he fought Chop Chop, MItchell, and Judah and there goes your answer..

A late KO for Floyd is a high possibility..


Yes sir.. this is how I see it also...

As soon as all that young shit is done and Ortiz starts to fade then the masacar begins...

Stoppage around 9th round...

(Ofcorse with the possible classic punchers chance for Victor)

As this fight draws closer I become more confident with Floyed doing his job..
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (BoxingStill#1 @ Aug 19 2011, 07:09 PM) *
Yes sir.. this is how I see it also...

As soon as all that young shit is done and Ortiz starts to fade then the masacar begins...

Stoppage around 9th round...

(Ofcorse with the possible classic punchers chance for Victor)

As this fight draws closer I become more confident with Floyed doing his job..



So you should, he's fighting a guy that came off a recent draw with Lamont Peterson.
gravytrain
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 19 2011, 09:10 PM) *
So you should, he's fighting a guy that came off a recent draw with Lamont Peterson.


Ortiz turned his career around but this dude has really done nothing for people to try making him out to be some dominant fighter. he'd an OK career at 140 and has one fight at 147 and it's a win over Berto. what kind of competition and how often was Berto even fighting before a fight his fight with Ortiz? there's no way of telling whether it's just good match making or Ortiz is actually a changed fighter.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Aug 19 2011, 09:43 PM) *
Ortiz turned his career around but this dude has really done nothing for people to try making him out to be some dominant fighter. he'd an OK career at 140 and has one fight at 147 and it's a win over Berto. what kind of competition and how often was Berto even fighting before a fight his fight with Ortiz? there's no way of telling whether it's just good match making or Ortiz is actually a changed fighter.


Well I'll admit bias in as much as I wasn't that high on Berto to begin with, ergo I don't rate Ortiz's win as a 'career changer' but boy would I love to be proved wrong.
bosco
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 19 2011, 09:10 PM) *
So you should, he's fighting a guy that came off a recent draw with Lamont Peterson.

Be serious...That draw was a gift to Peterson...Ortiz won that fight
gravytrain
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 19 2011, 09:46 PM) *
Well I'll admit bias in as much as I wasn't that high on Berto to begin with, ergo I don't rate Ortiz's win as a 'career changer' but boy would I love to be proved wrong.


i don't think anyone has ever been high on Berto. he'd no draw and was a B fighter fighting C fighters. but where would Ortiz be if he lost the fight? that's why i think it's a career changer. that and i'm glad Berto's sorry ass isn't fighting Mayweather.
riddick
I dont think that Floyd can KO/TKO only by points.
STEVENSKI
I said the same thing for the Shane fight with Floyd.

Base EVERYTHING off a hard straight jab & double/triple up on it. Too many fighters wait on Floyd & he is simply a fighter you cannot wait on making a mistake.

Several HARD early shots to the balls for Floyd. Who gives a shit about losing a couple of points you ain't winning a decision & those ball shots WILL pay dividends late in the fight by fractionally slowing Floyd down.

Show NO RESPECT for Floyd. Maul him, lace him, butt him but show no respect at all for him & his ability. He is not superman & he can be beaten. It is just hard to beat a man who has extremely high skill levels after 6 rounds of tasting crisp shots.

Odds on Floyd will humiliate the kid & we all know he only takes fights where he does not have a real challenge so Ortiz should say fuck it & look to hurt him any way he can.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (bosco @ Aug 19 2011, 10:06 PM) *
Be serious...That draw was a gift to Peterson...Ortiz won that fight


Regardless of your perception of the fight it wasn't hardly vintage was it? In fact I remember before the Berto fight a lot of people giving Victor a hard time for his performance in the Peterson fight. And then one gritty victory over a B level champ and suddenly he's a credible opponent?
AussieLad
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Aug 20 2011, 10:26 AM) *
I said the same thing for the Shane fight with Floyd.

Base EVERYTHING off a hard straight jab & double/triple up on it. Too many fighters wait on Floyd & he is simply a fighter you cannot wait on making a mistake.

Several HARD early shots to the balls for Floyd. Who gives a shit about losing a couple of points you ain't winning a decision & those ball shots WILL pay dividends late in the fight by fractionally slowing Floyd down.

Show NO RESPECT for Floyd. Maul him, lace him, butt him but show no respect at all for him & his ability. He is not superman & he can be beaten. It is just hard to beat a man who has extremely high skill levels after 6 rounds of tasting crisp shots.

Odds on Floyd will humiliate the kid & we all know he only takes fights where he does not have a real challenge so Ortiz should say fuck it & look to hurt him any way he can.


Whilst i whole heartedly support your sentiments, all nut shotting floyd is gonna achieve is having your ass choked out by a degenerate mayweather family member in a free for all stampede, and then be expected to continue fighting

But i salute anyone who can damage a Floyd goolie. Someone get fucking Abner Mares down to the Ortiz camp immediately
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (AussieLad @ Aug 20 2011, 06:20 AM) *
Whilst i whole heartedly support your sentiments, all nut shotting floyd is gonna achieve is having your ass choked out by a degenerate mayweather family member in a free for all stampede, and then be expected to continue fighting

But i salute anyone who can damage a Floyd goolie. Someone get fucking Abner Mares down to the Ortiz camp immediately


And don't forget it will be you that gets fined and banned from boxing for an indefinite period.
kingknockout
QUOTE (bosco @ Aug 19 2011, 10:06 PM) *
Be serious...That draw was a gift to Peterson...Ortiz won that fight



Ortiz couldn't do nothing with Peterson once he started boxing Ortiz.
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