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EAlbian
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 2 2011, 06:58 AM) *
And what proof is there that he hit a woman and that he had issues with his security. So far no arrest have been made until that happens, holla at me. How reliable can claims be when there is no proof. Here is what an accusation is like: I am suing gravystrain for having sex with my goat. In the past Gravytrain has been seen with goats and his close relationship with goats has raised eyebrows. No one has ever seen him abuse a goat before but his closeness to goats has everyone wondering what he does with these goats. Since my goat came up pregnant (I know a human can not reproduce with an animal) and Gravy train was last seen with my goat then he has to be the person that got my goat pregnant. I have 0 proof or evidence of this but still its Gravytrain and we know he has a thing for goats.... see how that works?


I don't think he beat her but... the proof is they have sworn testimony from Josie Harris and one of his sons. Eye witness testimony is more than enough to indite someone, he was arrested in a casino in Vegas. He also turned himself in when the other warrant was issued for his arrest. He has been charged and indited on 7 felonies, he has been convicted of nothing.
flazi
just curious, all of you that think ortiz is gonna pull the upset or make it close, what in his history makes you think that? Who has he beaten? Berto? Berto went life and death with Collazo, the most impressive name on his resume. Ortiz has fought who? He drew with peterson and was not impressive against campbell and he lost against maidana. Don't get me wrong, I love ortiz and his story, i think he is a good kid and i wish him all the best but he is taylor made for mayweather.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 2 2011, 05:42 PM) *
what proof is there that he hasn't? and he did get arrested. he gets arrested more time in a year than he fights these days. what you're talking about is speculation. it would be like if i speculated you've a poster of Mayweather with a sharpie sticking out of it and it gets you through lonely nights.

Don't have any posters of Mayweather or anyone for that matter. Over a certain age posters are pretty stupid. Especially if its in your room, but don't worry I am sure your friends think you have a cool room with all your posters.

QUOTE (EAlbian @ Sep 2 2011, 05:54 PM) *
I don't think he beat her but... the proof is they have sworn testimony from Josie Harris and one of his sons. Eye witness testimony is more than enough to indite someone, he was arrested in a casino in Vegas. He also turned himself in when the other warrant was issued for his arrest. He has been charged and indited on 7 felonies, he has been convicted of nothing.


If I am not mistaken he had all his kids with him during both press conferences. Jossie Harris has lied before and said May hit her and she retracted her statement. Until I see pictures then I am not convinced. SO he turned himself in and the arrested him but there is no conviction with this mountain of evidence? Being charged and convicted of something are totally two different things. What that means is, someone filed a complaint and they went through with it. Until I hear a guilty verdict I will take the "innocent UNTIL prove guilty"

QUOTE (flazi @ Sep 2 2011, 06:50 PM) *
just curious, all of you that think ortiz is gonna pull the upset or make it close, what in his history makes you think that? Who has he beaten? Berto? Berto went life and death with Collazo, the most impressive name on his resume. Ortiz has fought who? He drew with peterson and was not impressive against campbell and he lost against maidana. Don't get me wrong, I love ortiz and his story, i think he is a good kid and i wish him all the best but he is taylor made for mayweather.


They are not going to answer that question. Instead they will tell you what a punk May is. I did not know boxing you had to be a boyscout.
gravytrain
QUOTE (flazi @ Sep 2 2011, 07:50 PM) *
just curious, all of you that think ortiz is gonna pull the upset or make it close, what in his history makes you think that? Who has he beaten? Berto? Berto went life and death with Collazo, the most impressive name on his resume. Ortiz has fought who? He drew with peterson and was not impressive against campbell and he lost against maidana. Don't get me wrong, I love ortiz and his story, i think he is a good kid and i wish him all the best but he is taylor made for mayweather.


i think it's really just fans of his opponent trying to hype him up like he's the greatest fighter of the decade. Ortiz is probably the best opponent out there at 147 but he isn't a proven champion and his win over Berto wasn't so dominant that it makes Ortiz a guy you can think is elite.

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 2 2011, 11:47 PM) *
Don't have any posters of Mayweather or anyone for that matter. Over a certain age posters are pretty stupid. Especially if its in your room, but don't worry I am sure your friends think you have a cool room with all your posters.



If I am not mistaken he had all his kids with him during both press conferences. Jossie Harris has lied before and said May hit her and she retracted her statement. Until I see pictures then I am not convinced. SO he turned himself in and the arrested him but there is no conviction with this mountain of evidence? Being charged and convicted of something are totally two different things. What that means is, someone filed a complaint and they went through with it. Until I hear a guilty verdict I will take the "innocent UNTIL prove guilty"



They are not going to answer that question. Instead they will tell you what a punk May is. I did not know boxing you had to be a boyscout.


the only poster i'd was a Michael Jordan poster in the 90s. you really need to step it up though. this is the best you've got, goats and posters? you're so ugly your face is wanted on 5 continents for indecent exposure.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 2 2011, 11:58 AM) *
And what proof is there that he hit a woman and that he had issues with his security. So far no arrest have been made until that happens, holla at me.


I believe your stance on the drug testing issue is that Manny should be forced to provide proof of his innocence. So why is it that Floyd is innocent till proven guilty?

As far as I am concerned, until Floyd can prove that he has never hit a woman (like a punch I mean, we all know he dont never "hit" women) then I can assume him to be guilty. Isnt that how it works?
CDeezFoo
so the line "I'm old enough to be the boys father...I'ma son him" lmao does anybody else think this is going to mess with Ortiz like I do. I mean all Ortiz talks about is how his parents left him..which is horrible and all but for Floyd to say that was interesting and funny..he has been keeping cool with the trash talk..but now he is going to really get in Ortiz head. I can't wait to hear what Ortiz has to say..then fight night, he will come in extra aggressive and get knocked out... Floyd is funny for that
streetlion1
QUOTE (CDeezFoo @ Sep 4 2011, 10:29 AM) *
so the line "I'm old enough to be the boys father...I'ma son him" lmao does anybody else think this is going to mess with Ortiz like I do. I mean all Ortiz talks about is how his parents left him..which is horrible and all but for Floyd to say that was interesting and funny..he has been keeping cool with the trash talk..but now he is going to really get in Ortiz head. I can't wait to hear what Ortiz has to say..then fight night, he will come in extra aggressive and get knocked out... Floyd is funny for that

I think it'll be added motivation if anything...it wont fuck with Ortiz's head.
Eighty88Eight
everything seems to fuck with Ortiz' head. he'll fight hard come fight night though. but he may unravel very, very fast.
EAlbian
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 2 2011, 10:47 PM) *
So far no arrest have been made until that happens, holla at me. How reliable can claims be when there is no proof.

If I am not mistaken he had all his kids with him during both press conferences. Jossie Harris has lied before and said May hit her and she retracted her statement. Until I see pictures then I am not convinced. SO he turned himself in and the arrested him but there is no conviction with this mountain of evidence? Being charged and convicted of something are totally two different things. What that means is, someone filed a complaint and they went through with it. Until I hear a guilty verdict I will take the "innocent UNTIL prove guilty"


All of his kids live with him except for 1, i believe. you said no arrests have been made, there have been arrests made so i holla'd at you. The proof is there are 2 eye witness reports, that proof can hold up pretty well in a court of law. i don't believe that he actually hit her but as of recent he does seem to be exhibiting a lot more anger and its documented on film. That shit holds up. I don't know that we will see a conviction on the felonies, most likely it will end in a plea bargain with Mayweather receiving probation and high court costs and fines. probably a misdemeanor, maybe intimidation. No one filed a complaint, the police were called to a domestic violence call. they responded and arrested the party alleged to be involved in the crime. You can call for innocent until proven guilty all you want but until you have actually been through the legal system in this country, Its hard to speak on it. Charges are levied against you and you have the choice of cutting your losses or taking your chances
Cshel86
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Sep 4 2011, 12:45 PM) *
All of his kids live with him except for 1, i believe. you said no arrests have been made, there have been arrests made so i holla'd at you. The proof is there are 2 eye witness reports, that proof can hold up pretty well in a court of law. i don't believe that he actually hit her but as of recent he does seem to be exhibiting a lot more anger and its documented on film. That shit holds up. I don't know that we will see a conviction on the felonies, most likely it will end in a plea bargain with Mayweather receiving probation and high court costs and fines. probably a misdemeanor, maybe intimidation. No one filed a complaint, the police were called to a domestic violence call. they responded and arrested the party alleged to be involved in the crime. You can call for innocent until proven guilty all you want but until you have actually been through the legal system in this country, Its hard to speak on it. Charges are levied against you and you have the choice of cutting your losses or taking your chances

Im sure that one of these charges will stick...maybe one of the bullshit cases, but the domestice violence case with 34 years attached to it will probably go no where. Just like we thought Roger was up shit creek, he ended up paying a fine and taking anger management classes (which he doesn't take all that seriously). Then he is on 24/7 leaving class and saying that its bullshit...not a good sign, either he just doesn't care or he is that damn stupid (take your pick). We all know how the judicial system goes...they throw shit at the wall and only some of it will stick. If the domestic case was so bad, then Im wondering how he is able to have his children with him and they were directly involved in the case. Im sure his baby mama sees that new blow-up doll that Floyd is with, and of course she wants $65k a month in child support on top of that, so she will probably do what she has to do to get some sort of revenue out of the situation. The result remains to be seen...
BGv2.0
You know...I REALLY cannot believe how many people are giving Ortiz ZERO chance.

I just cannot see how people can put all that stock in an automatic win when a guy is in his mid 30's and has taken almost a year and a half off and his opponent is ten years younger and capable.

Inactivity has ALWAYS been the bane of a lot of fighters....I've always thought a person can only go to the well s many times after inactivity and at some point it catches up to you.

I mean....we all saw PBF get his bell rung in his last fight....and that was with a VERY OLD, well past his prime Mosley. I see no reason to think a younger, maybe even stronger fighter could not do much worse or at the very least catch him more than once during the course of a fight. hell even if PFB wins most of the rounds....if Ortiz could manage to catch him 2-3 times the way Mosley did...that would be enough to keep it close and maybe even pull off the win if you have judges that prefer the harder looking shots.

I just do not think this is the cake walk so many people are making it out to be.



streetlion1
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Sep 5 2011, 02:04 PM) *
You know...I REALLY cannot believe how many people are giving Ortiz ZERO chance.

I just cannot see how people can put all that stock in an automatic win when a guy is in his mid 30's and has taken almost a year and a half off and his opponent is ten years younger and capable.

Inactivity has ALWAYS been the bane of a lot of fighters....I've always thought a person can only go to the well s many times after inactivity and at some point it catches up to you.

I mean....we all saw PBF get his bell rung in his last fight....and that was with a VERY OLD, well past his prime Mosley. I see no reason to think a younger, maybe even stronger fighter could not do much worse or at the very least catch him more than once during the course of a fight. hell even if PFB wins most of the rounds....if Ortiz could manage to catch him 2-3 times the way Mosley did...that would be enough to keep it close and maybe even pull off the win if you have judges that prefer the harder looking shots.

I just do not think this is the cake walk so many people are making it out to be.

Good Post.
gravytrain
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Sep 5 2011, 03:04 PM) *
You know...I REALLY cannot believe how many people are giving Ortiz ZERO chance.

I just cannot see how people can put all that stock in an automatic win when a guy is in his mid 30's and has taken almost a year and a half off and his opponent is ten years younger and capable.

Inactivity has ALWAYS been the bane of a lot of fighters....I've always thought a person can only go to the well s many times after inactivity and at some point it catches up to you.

I mean....we all saw PBF get his bell rung in his last fight....and that was with a VERY OLD, well past his prime Mosley. I see no reason to think a younger, maybe even stronger fighter could not do much worse or at the very least catch him more than once during the course of a fight. hell even if PFB wins most of the rounds....if Ortiz could manage to catch him 2-3 times the way Mosley did...that would be enough to keep it close and maybe even pull off the win if you have judges that prefer the harder looking shots.

I just do not think this is the cake walk so many people are making it out to be.


i can. why give him a chance, because of Berto? if he comes back at 70% of how he's against Mosley he'll still dominate. the angles and defense are going to kill him
sduck
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Sep 5 2011, 03:04 PM) *
You know...I REALLY cannot believe how many people are giving Ortiz ZERO chance.

I just cannot see how people can put all that stock in an automatic win when a guy is in his mid 30's and has taken almost a year and a half off and his opponent is ten years younger and capable.

Inactivity has ALWAYS been the bane of a lot of fighters....I've always thought a person can only go to the well s many times after inactivity and at some point it catches up to you.

I mean....we all saw PBF get his bell rung in his last fight....and that was with a VERY OLD, well past his prime Mosley. I see no reason to think a younger, maybe even stronger fighter could not do much worse or at the very least catch him more than once during the course of a fight. hell even if PFB wins most of the rounds....if Ortiz could manage to catch him 2-3 times the way Mosley did...that would be enough to keep it close and maybe even pull off the win if you have judges that prefer the harder looking shots.

I just do not think this is the cake walk so many people are making it out to be.

There's always a chance age and the layoff will get to FMJ, but me personally, I'm judging off the way they fight, and how well Floyd usually does after "layoffs". So really only age plays a factor, and the only things I've seen deteriorating are the combinations and punching power. Judging off Ortiz's defensive skill, that shouldn't be a problem for Floyd at all.
Cshel86
QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Sep 5 2011, 03:04 PM) *
You know...I REALLY cannot believe how many people are giving Ortiz ZERO chance.

I just cannot see how people can put all that stock in an automatic win when a guy is in his mid 30's and has taken almost a year and a half off and his opponent is ten years younger and capable.

Inactivity has ALWAYS been the bane of a lot of fighters....I've always thought a person can only go to the well s many times after inactivity and at some point it catches up to you.

I mean....we all saw PBF get his bell rung in his last fight....and that was with a VERY OLD, well past his prime Mosley. I see no reason to think a younger, maybe even stronger fighter could not do much worse or at the very least catch him more than once during the course of a fight. hell even if PFB wins most of the rounds....if Ortiz could manage to catch him 2-3 times the way Mosley did...that would be enough to keep it close and maybe even pull off the win if you have judges that prefer the harder looking shots.

I just do not think this is the cake walk so many people are making it out to be.

That's what Im hoping Ortiz does...this way he can secure his stock and land some big fights after the 17th (win or lose).
streetlion1
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 5 2011, 02:13 PM) *
i can. why give him a chance, because of Berto? if he comes back at 70% of how he's against Mosley he'll still dominate. the angles and defense are going to kill him

Ortiz is not an old Mosley though...you walk forward to Mosley, keep your guard up, and a jab in his face thats almost all you need right there. Ortiz is much busier, faster, and stronger. Fighting a young, hungry, confident champion after over a year layoff at 34yrs old is as dangerous as it gets....his last 5 fights....Baldomir, DLH, Hatton, Marquez, and Mosley. An old DLH had the most to offer out of those guys....Mayweather hasnt fought a guy like this ever.

I expect Gayweather to win....115-113 in a good fight.
BGv2.0
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 5 2011, 02:13 PM) *
i can. why give him a chance, because of Berto? if he comes back at 70% of how he's against Mosley he'll still dominate. the angles and defense are going to kill him


I never even mentioned Berto....no my reason for the belief that this fight COULD be a lot closer mostly falls on PBF's age and layoff. Ortiz's youth and power play more of a role than his victory over Berto in my mind.

If he comez back at 70% of what he was with Mosley, he might get his clock cleaned more than one time over the course of the fight. He pretty well set and traded with Mosley, if that was on purpose OR the possibility of him slowing down a bit.....either way...he does the same with this kid...I don't think it will be a blow out win for PBF.



Warlord
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Aug 22 2011, 08:42 PM) *
If Vicious Victor Ortiz wins the fight on September 17th it will be sports biggest upsets ever.

Are you serious? Bigger than Douglas-Tyson? Fuck off with that gay shit. JESUS CHRIST the nut-hugging is out of control on these boards.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (Warlord @ Sep 6 2011, 09:24 AM) *
Are you serious? Bigger than Douglas-Tyson? Fuck off with that gay shit. JESUS CHRIST the nut-hugging is out of control on these boards.


Warlord, dont make the mistake of just trying to think of upsets in boxing. This is the biggest upset in SPORTS!

When Goran Ivanisevis entered Wimbledon as a wildcard and won it, dont got shit on Floyd Mayweather losing a fight.

Miracle on ice? Forget that shit.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 6 2011, 10:01 PM) *
Warlord, dont make the mistake of just trying to think of upsets in boxing. This is the biggest upset in SPORTS!

When Goran Ivanisevis entered Wimbledon as a wildcard and won it, dont got shit on Floyd Mayweather losing a fight.

Miracle on ice? Forget that shit.


Now now Lloyd don't go mentioning tennis, that's AllMan's specialist subject. I sure hope she know's more about tennis than boxing which has so far proven to be about zero.

I bet she couldn't even list Albania's top ten southpaw Welter Weights post World War Two. laugh.gif
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Sep 6 2011, 10:11 AM) *
Now now Lloyd don't go mentioning tennis, that's AllMan's specialist subject. I sure hope she know's more about tennis than boxing which has so far proven to be about zero.

I bet she couldn't even list Albania's top ten southpaw Welter Weights post World War Two. laugh.gif


Allmen has no interest in Goran Ivanisevic. He aint gangsta. He aint makin paper. He don't got no entourage. Of course, he has sporting credentials, but we all know that comes fourth or fifth on the list of desirable qualities in a sportsman where some people are concerned.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Warlord @ Sep 6 2011, 05:24 AM) *
Are you serious? Bigger than Douglas-Tyson? Fuck off with that gay shit. JESUS CHRIST the nut-hugging is out of control on these boards.


Douglas Tyson that was pretty shocking. I am not nuthugging. But I am sure most casual fans and the sports of today will consider it a big upset... will they not?

QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 6 2011, 06:01 AM) *
Warlord, dont make the mistake of just trying to think of upsets in boxing. This is the biggest upset in SPORTS!

When Goran Ivanisevis entered Wimbledon as a wildcard and won it, dont got shit on Floyd Mayweather losing a fight.

Miracle on ice? Forget that shit.


Goran had an amazing run poor Pete could not deal with his serve, but let's face it tennis gets no love and if you ask people who Goran was people will just stare. I am not a hockey fan but I take it you are talking about when the US beat Russia in hockey. again look at the sport.. how many people follow hockey?

If Ortiz wins it will be a big upset not bigger when Soderling beat Nadal on Clay court (still shocked about that). If May loses it will be the talk of the sports world for a very long time. It will be a big upset in the boxing world and in the sports world. Let's not pretend it won't. The anti Floyd people will be out in numbers... so spare me the bs about it not being a major upset in sports. Yawl kill me. Anything Floyd is bad or under valued. geez... I still can't understand why he generates so much hate but from the words of May and I agree with 10000% its because "Im young, rich, black, and speak my mind"
Eighty88Eight
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 6 2011, 08:21 AM) *
Douglas Tyson that was pretty shocking. I am not nuthugging. But I am sure most casual fans and the sports of today will consider it a big upset... will they not?



Goran had an amazing run poor Pete could not deal with his serve, but let's face it tennis gets no love and if you ask people who Goran was people will just stare. I am not a hockey fan but I take it you are talking about when the US beat Russia in hockey. again look at the sport.. how many people follow hockey?

If Ortiz wins it will be a big upset not bigger when Soderling beat Nadal on Clay court (still shocked about that). If May loses it will be the talk of the sports world for a very long time. It will be a big upset in the boxing world and in the sports world. Let's not pretend it won't. The anti Floyd people will be out in numbers... so spare me the bs about it not being a major upset in sports. Yawl kill me. Anything Floyd is bad or under valued. geez... I still can't understand why he generates so much hate but from the words of May and I agree with 10000% its because "Im young, rich, black, and speak my mind"


Who the fuck follows boxing? the USA defeating Russia received far more coverage, and likely garnered many more viewers than even the biggest fights of today. People enjoy hating Floyd because he's an obnoxious little fuck who happens to be a genius at what he does.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 6 2011, 12:21 PM) *
Douglas Tyson that was pretty shocking. I am not nuthugging. But I am sure most casual fans and the sports of today will consider it a big upset... will they not?



Goran had an amazing run poor Pete could not deal with his serve, but let's face it tennis gets no love and if you ask people who Goran was people will just stare. I am not a hockey fan but I take it you are talking about when the US beat Russia in hockey. again look at the sport.. how many people follow hockey?

If Ortiz wins it will be a big upset not bigger when Soderling beat Nadal on Clay court (still shocked about that). If May loses it will be the talk of the sports world for a very long time. It will be a big upset in the boxing world and in the sports world. Let's not pretend it won't. The anti Floyd people will be out in numbers... so spare me the bs about it not being a major upset in sports. Yawl kill me. Anything Floyd is bad or under valued. geez... I still can't understand why he generates so much hate but from the words of May and I agree with 10000% its because "Im young, rich, black, and speak my mind"


Tennis gets no love in America maybe. Its pretty popular over in Europe where all the talent is.

Like 88 says, you can forget about it being a major upset in the sports world. It will get a few column inches, mostly covering the fact that Floyd v Manny would be dead in the water.

I dont hate Floyd because hes black and rich and speaks his mind. He doesnt speak his mind at all. When he speaks, I play cartoon tunes in my head till he's finished, because he rarely if ever has anything of any substance to say. He is 100% style over substance, and he fails the style test too, cause he has zero charisma or humour, and no one but no one can look good when they are hanging over fifty's shoulder watching him eat waiting for a returned compliment (that never came)
Eighty88Eight
Tennis is bigger than boxing in the USA.
streetlion1
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 6 2011, 08:20 AM) *
Tennis gets no love in America maybe. Its pretty popular over in Europe where all the talent is.

Like 88 says, you can forget about it being a major upset in the sports world. It will get a few column inches, mostly covering the fact that Floyd v Manny would be dead in the water.

I dont hate Floyd because hes black and rich and speaks his mind. He doesnt speak his mind at all. When he speaks, I play cartoon tunes in my head till he's finished, because he rarely if ever has anything of any substance to say. He is 100% style over substance, and he fails the style test too, cause he has zero charisma or humour, and no one but no one can look good when they are hanging over fifty's shoulder watching him eat waiting for a returned compliment (that never came)

Good post. Your right America isnt big on Tennis...shit I dont even know any friends of friends who watch Tennis lol. As for Mayweather-Ortiz I think it would be an upset...not as far as biggest in the whole sports world but pretty big in Boxing. Ortiz is easily Floyds toughest fight to date....im not one of those guys who is sleeping on Ortiz....an old DLH gave Floyd his toughest fight since Castillo. Ortiz doesnt have the same boxing ability as Oscar had and he wont have that jab but he is still the biggest, strongest, and arguably fastest guy Mayweather has fought his entire career.

I dont expect Floyd to be old but he clearly fought differently against Mosley than he has in a long while....if he is that stand your ground fighter against Ortiz we are in for a good fight. Mosley did alot of waiting...alot of standing there and staring at Floyd....Ortiz is always busy and we have seen what kind of chin he has. The only knock on him is the Maidana fight...now sure he shouldnt have quit but I dont think I would worry about that happening again....its clear by his denial and saying he wasnt there mentally is just regret.


Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 6 2011, 06:26 AM) *
Allmen has no interest in Goran Ivanisevic. He aint gangsta. He aint makin paper. He don't got no entourage. Of course, he has sporting credentials, but we all know that comes fourth or fifth on the list of desirable qualities in a sportsman where some people are concerned.


I saw that entire tournament and that is a stupid thing for you to say. Every athlete that I like isn't gangsta or concerned with money. Here are some athletes that I admire
1. Roger Federer
2. Ralpha Nadal
3. Donald Young
4. Dwayne Wade.
5. Pistol Pete
6. Cheryl Miller
7. Florance Griffth Joiner
8. Maya Moore
9. Floyd Mayweather
10. Mike Tyson
11. Mike Vick
12. Chris Paul
13. The Williams Sisters
14. Naja Houston
The list goes on. Don't make stupid statements and that list is in random order. I do not care what people in athletics do outside their sport. If they like money great, if they are hoes so what? If they like blowing coke good for them. I look at their performance. Hell my kid isn't worshiping them and neither am I so why should I care what they do outside their sport, I have life and its not bitching or praising theirs/

QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Sep 6 2011, 09:00 AM) *
Who the fuck follows boxing? the USA defeating Russia received far more coverage, and likely garnered many more viewers than even the biggest fights of today.
enjoy hating Floyd because he's an obnoxious little fuck who happens to be a genius at what he does.


Didn't that happen in the 80s? How many people between the ages of 12-35 would remember that? I mean really. I hear it talked about but it does not rein high on my list. And most people who are great at what they do are obnoxious. See Kobe, Jordan, Tiger, etc
Eighty88Eight
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 6 2011, 12:43 PM) *
I saw that entire tournament and that is a stupid thing for you to say. Every athlete that I like isn't gangsta or concerned with money. Here are some athletes that I admire
1. Roger Federer
2. Ralpha Nadal
3. Donald Young
4. Dwayne Wade.
5. Pistol Pete
6. Cheryl Miller
7. Florance Griffth Joiner
8. Maya Moore
9. Floyd Mayweather
10. Mike Tyson
11. Mike Vick
12. Chris Paul
13. The Williams Sisters
14. Naja Houston
The list goes on. Don't make stupid statements and that list is in random order. I do not care what people in athletics do outside their sport. If they like money great, if they are hoes so what? If they like blowing coke good for them. I look at their performance. Hell my kid isn't worshiping them and neither am I so why should I care what they do outside their sport, I have life and its not bitching or praising theirs/


Didn't that happen in the 80s? How many people between the ages of 12-35 would remember that? I mean really. I hear it talked about but it does not rein high on my list. And most people who are great at what they do are obnoxious. See Kobe, Jordan, Tiger, etc


It would be a big upset right now, I understand your point. But there is no sense to be all hyperbolic and try and categorize it in a historical sense, because 7-1 (which is way too wide for this anyway, considering Mosley was a 4-1 underdog) isn't that big. Tyson was a 45-1 favorite against Buster Douglas. USA was like 18-1 or something. There have been much bigger upsets, that more people cared about, than a 34 year old legend losing to a stronger, bigger 24 year old.

For clarification, I don't feel that way about Mayweather. He's a good show.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Sep 6 2011, 01:09 PM) *
It would be a big upset right now, I understand your point. But there is no sense to be all hyperbolic and try and categorize it in a historical sense, because 7-1 (which is way too wide for this anyway, considering Mosley was a 4-1 underdog) isn't that big. Tyson was a 45-1 favorite against Buster Douglas. USA was like 18-1 or something. There have been much bigger upsets, that more people cared about, than a 34 year old legend losing to a stronger, bigger 24 year old.

For clarification, I don't feel that way about Mayweather. He's a good show.


What I am saying is that it would be in upset for this generation. Where it ranks all time? I would have no idea.
gravytrain
QUOTE (streetlion1 @ Sep 5 2011, 03:26 PM) *
Ortiz is not an old Mosley though...you walk forward to Mosley, keep your guard up, and a jab in his face thats almost all you need right there. Ortiz is much busier, faster, and stronger. Fighting a young, hungry, confident champion after over a year layoff at 34yrs old is as dangerous as it gets....his last 5 fights....Baldomir, DLH, Hatton, Marquez, and Mosley. An old DLH had the most to offer out of those guys....Mayweather hasnt fought a guy like this ever.

I expect Gayweather to win....115-113 in a good fight.


Ortiz is worse than an old Mosley, he's a delusional hype job with DLH and Schaefer in his ear telling him he's PPV potential. this dude was saying Maidana was scared of rematching when he's still a JWW. and to be honest most fighters he's looked good against don't offer much movement and just come forward and trade punches. against Peterson he didn't look very good and that's just some footwork and feints.



QUOTE (BGv2.0 @ Sep 6 2011, 02:52 AM) *
I never even mentioned Berto....no my reason for the belief that this fight COULD be a lot closer mostly falls on PBF's age and layoff. Ortiz's youth and power play more of a role than his victory over Berto in my mind.

If he comez back at 70% of what he was with Mosley, he might get his clock cleaned more than one time over the course of the fight. He pretty well set and traded with Mosley, if that was on purpose OR the possibility of him slowing down a bit.....either way...he does the same with this kid...I don't think it will be a blow out win for PBF.


it's a possibility. but the bigger possibility is that Ortiz's confidence is going to plummet once he's in there and it isn't as easy as people have told him it would be and he can't connect with clean shots.
duwdu
QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Sep 6 2011, 08:00 AM) *
Who the fuck follows boxing? the USA defeating Russia received far more coverage, and likely garnered many more viewers than even the biggest fights of today. People enjoy hating Floyd because he's an obnoxious little fuck who happens to be a genius at what he does.

Right there, in bold, are THE words that together encapsulate, define, and describe Floyd Mayweather Jr. the man, in my book. He is an obnoxious genius who makes me as happy watching him box, as he makes me unhappy learning of him messing up when the subject is not boxing per se. Somehow, I am learning NOT to let my enjoyment of his genius in boxing be marred by his obnoxiousness outside of it. I think I have succeeded this far. However, should he manage to get convicted by a court of law at any time going forward and he would have to serve time on that account, then I will tip the other way, easily. I pray for him though that he is an innocent, although still obnoxious individual, for his own sake and those of his loved ones.

There, I have drawn my own line where my money is. Now back to my enjoyment of the sweet science before some future generations render it less and less relevant in the greater scheme of things.

P34c3
Eighty88Eight
QUOTE (duwdu @ Sep 6 2011, 06:21 PM) *
Right there, in bold, are THE words that together encapsulate, define, and describe Floyd Mayweather Jr. the man, in my book. He is an obnoxious genius who makes me as happy watching him box, as he makes me unhappy learning of him messing up when the subject is not boxing per se. Somehow, I am learning NOT to let my enjoyment of his genius in boxing be marred by his obnoxiousness outside of it. I think I have succeeded this far. However, should he manage to get convicted by a court of law at any time going forward and he would have to serve time on that account, then I will tip the other way, easily. I pray for him though that he is an innocent, although still obnoxious individual, for his own sake and those of his loved ones.

There, I have drawn my own line where my money is. Now back to my enjoyment of the sweet science before some future generations render it less and less relevant in the greater scheme of things.

P34c3


this is kinda like that movie Amadeus, with Floyd as Mozart and you're Salieri. WHY WOULD GOD BESTOW UPON THAT WRETCHED LITTLE CREATURE SUCH GENIUS FOR MUSIC.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 4 2011, 12:42 AM) *
I believe your stance on the drug testing issue is that Manny should be forced to provide proof of his innocence. So why is it that Floyd is innocent till proven guilty?

As far as I am concerned, until Floyd can prove that he has never hit a woman (like a punch I mean, we all know he dont never "hit" women) then I can assume him to be guilty. Isnt that how it works?


+1

Floyd is guilty because he has not taken a lie detector test.

Take the test man!
Cshel86
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Sep 6 2011, 08:45 PM) *
+1

Floyd is guilty because he has not taken a lie detector test.

Take the test man!

Lol! There should be no surprise about fighters lying about stuff. Floyd is great in the ring and he repeats the same thing over and over for people to remember it, but some things he just doesn't hold true to. For instance, Chad Dawson told his trainer between rounds during the Pascal fight, "my fuckin' shoulder fucked up". As soon as he lost the fight and made a million excuses, Merchant brought up what Dawson said to his trainer about his shoulder, and Dawson replied, "no, no, there was nothing wrong with my shoulder".
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Sep 7 2011, 10:54 AM) *
Chad Dawson told his trainer between rounds during the Pascal fight, "my fuckin' shoulder fucked up". As soon as he lost the fight and made a million excuses, Merchant brought up what Dawson said to his trainer about his shoulder, and Dawson replied, "no, no, there was nothing wrong with my shoulder".


Yeah but you can hear the tumbleweed blowing around in his skull when Dawson thinks.
Mean Mister Mustard
I don't put much confidence on Ortiz winning due to his 'youth and power' and PBF's layoff. Mayweather is fast but he doesn't rely a lot on his speed, so even if he loses some of it he's still one of the best defensive fighters in the world. As for Ortiz having an advantage in youth; what does that really mean? That his reflexes are going to be better? Is his stamina going to be better than PBF's? Mayweather is always in great shape, he never seems to tire, and once he figures a guy out, he doesn't let them go.That's bad news for Ortiz whom we have seen be figured out already, once by Maidana, who couldn't miss with his wild right hand and made Ortiz quit, and we saw Peterson nullify Ortiz's power by giving him angles and landing right and left hooks over and over.

It's possible that we get a situation like Pascal-Hopkins I, where Hopkins was landing more punches per rounds, but in between Pascal would land harder shots every now and then to make the rounds close. But Mayweather is so much more agile and capable right now than a 45 year old Hopkins.
Warlord
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 6 2011, 08:21 AM) *
Douglas Tyson that was pretty shocking. I am not nuthugging. But I am sure most casual fans and the sports of today will consider it a big upset... will they not?

Yes, but even the stupidest human on the planet (present company excluded, of course) wouldn't have the stones to call it "sports biggest upset ever."

You'd have to gain about 60 I.Q. points just to be classified as stupid for making a comment like that.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Warlord @ Sep 6 2011, 10:18 PM) *
Yes, but even the stupidest human on the planet (present company excluded, of course) wouldn't have the stones to call it "sports biggest upset ever."

You'd have to gain about 60 I.Q. points just to be classified as stupid for making a comment like that.


I have no idea what my IQ is and really do not care. Its not stupid comment. Kids from 15-35 will not remember Tyson and Douglass. They could give a shit. They know Tyson from The Hangover. It will be a big upset as in this generation. I can't think of any upset in the last ten years that people talk about? Can you... Maybe the Tigers beating the Yankees but or Soderling beating Nadal even then that does not stick. In my opinion as ignorant it may sound to some of yawl, it would be a big big upset.

Another thing... Why is it when you are a fan of a boxer and you speak good things about them makes that person a piece of shit. I am not ashamed to say I am May fan. He is a great boxer, what he does out of the ring is his damn business. May is one of my favorite athletes and I get hell for it? What is that about it? Its really stupid the way some posters in here react when they found out someone is a fan of a boxer.... grow the fuck up
Warlord
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 6 2011, 11:48 PM) *
I have no idea what my IQ is and really do not care. Its not stupid comment. Kids from 15-35 will not remember Tyson and Douglass. They could give a shit. They know Tyson from The Hangover. It will be a big upset as in this generation.

I'm 30 and I remember that shit. Vividly. If you are referring to 15 year olds, they're not watching boxing anyway. Really. Find me a legitimate 15 year old who gives a shit about boxing. Anecdotal evidence from your neighborhood doesn't count either, so stuff it.


QUOTE
I can't think of any upset in the last ten years that people talk about? Can you...

The biggest upset to still be mentioned in the sporting world is -gasp! Douglas/Tyson. It is the preeminent example of the word upset. Every single time a discussion about upsets arises, that fight comes up. And it always will.

And you making a thread about Ortiz winning only proves my point. No one asked "What if?" when Tyson fought Douglas. Period. It was a foregone conclusion that Tyson would smash Buster into a shit-black stain in the middle of the ring, and use his jawbone as a toothpick.

QUOTE
Another thing... Why is it when you are a fan of a boxer and you speak good things about them makes that person a piece of shit. I am not ashamed to say I am May fan. He is a great boxer, what he does out of the ring is his damn business. May is one of my favorite athletes and I get hell for it? What is that about it? Its really stupid the way some posters in here react when they found out someone is a fan of a boxer.... grow the fuck up

You grow the fuck up. No one gives a shit which fighter you root for around here. I could not care less if you're a fan of Mayweather. But don't think you're going to vomit out some ignorant horseshit on these boards and not get shit on for it. Ain't gonna happen. Support your fighter, but do it rationally and with common sense.

In the meantime, you keep back-tracking on your original comment, honey. You're impressing everyone.
duwdu
QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Sep 6 2011, 07:39 PM) *
this is kinda like that movie Amadeus, with Floyd as Mozart and you're Salieri. WHY WOULD GOD BESTOW UPON THAT WRETCHED LITTLE CREATURE SUCH GENIUS FOR MUSIC.

I humbly hear you man, lol. In this life, one sometimes would have to take the good with the bad to stand a better chance of living a longer, more tolerable life. It kinda makes the world go round, actually. And it's also what marriage is, more so in the popular part of the Western world.

P34c3
Cshel86
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Sep 6 2011, 09:27 PM) *
Yeah but you can hear the tumbleweed blowing around in his skull when Dawson thinks.

Hahahaha!!! I wonder what grade he dropped out of when he felt like he learned everything he needed to know dntknw.gif
Cshel86
I wonder how big of a surfboard will Ortiz buy with his check after the fight...
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Warlord @ Sep 7 2011, 12:15 AM) *
I'm 30 and I remember that shit. Vividly. If you are referring to 15 year olds, they're not watching boxing anyway. Really. Find me a legitimate 15 year old who gives a shit about boxing. Anecdotal evidence from your neighborhood doesn't count either, so stuff it.



The biggest upset to still be mentioned in the sporting world is -gasp! Douglas/Tyson. It is the preeminent example of the word upset. Every single time a discussion about upsets arises, that fight comes up. And it always will.

And you making a thread about Ortiz winning only proves my point. No one asked "What if?" when Tyson fought Douglas. Period. It was a foregone conclusion that Tyson would smash Buster into a shit-black stain in the middle of the ring, and use his jawbone as a toothpick.


You grow the fuck up. No one gives a shit which fighter you root for around here. I could not care less if you're a fan of Mayweather. But don't think you're going to vomit out some ignorant horseshit on these boards and not get shit on for it. Ain't gonna happen. Support your fighter, but do it rationally and with common sense.

In the meantime, you keep back-tracking on your original comment, honey. You're impressing everyone.


You just said that 15 year olds don't watch boxing but they are suppose to remember tyson and douglass that happen more than ten years ago. What I said name me an upset that people remember within the last ten years. And you came up with nothing... just like the purpose of your post offtopic.gif clapping.gif
And my neighbor isn't even close to being 15. Ironically I asked a few college kids what was the biggest sports upset and you know what they said Gasp... Green Bay beating the Falcons last year. Again upsets are generational so if he does lose it would be a major upset of this generation of sports and no one is back tracking....
How would you know what people said about Douglass and Tyson fight. One they did not have the internet back then so there could be no message boards and two you give 80s babies a bad look. So because you remember the fight and you are 30 everyone else is suppose to have the same vivid memory as you? That's a nice conclusion... baseless
Warlord
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 8 2011, 12:53 AM) *
You just said that 15 year olds don't watch boxing but they are suppose to remember tyson and douglass that happen more than ten years ago. What I said name me an upset that people remember within the last ten years. And you came up with nothing... just like the purpose of your post offtopic.gif clapping.gif
And my neighbor isn't even close to being 15. Ironically I asked a few college kids what was the biggest sports upset and you know what they said Gasp... Green Bay beating the Falcons last year. Again upsets are generational so if he does lose it would be a major upset of this generation of sports and no one is back tracking....
How would you know what people said about Douglass and Tyson fight. One they did not have the internet back then so there could be no message boards and two you give 80s babies a bad look. So because you remember the fight and you are 30 everyone else is suppose to have the same vivid memory as you? That's a nice conclusion... baseless

What are you speaking here? Klingon? Get a Starfleet translator in here to decipher that wall of garbage you just posted and we'll talk. In the meantime, and as always, go fuck yourself.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Warlord @ Sep 8 2011, 07:17 PM) *
What are you speaking here? Klingon? Get a Starfleet translator in here to decipher that wall of garbage you just posted and we'll talk. In the meantime, and as always, go fuck yourself.



I've decided that much like the quality of a fight can be judged on Manny Steward yelling "oh my God" so the quality of thread can only rise higher once Warlord bestows the thread with a "and as always, go fuck yourself." laugh.gif
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Warlord @ Sep 8 2011, 02:17 AM) *
What are you speaking here? Klingon? Get a Starfleet translator in here to decipher that wall of garbage you just posted and we'll talk. In the meantime, and as always, go fuck yourself.


And that's how you know when you won an agrument, that other person has nothing to say. Klingon? You had to be at Dragon Con....
gravytrain
QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 8 2011, 06:37 PM) *
Back then, there were probably magazines that people used to read, talk back radio, more sports coverage and last but not least, a 42-1 underdog should probably clue you in on what people said about the fight. Well it would clue most people that use common sense on the thoughts of the fight just prior to it. What's wrong with you hun?


not to mention that Tyson had just about everyone talking about him back then, him getting upset was big news back then. Mike Tyson was big news for a long time. i used to always hear people talking about his fights when i was a kid and that's the 90s Tyson, not the young Tyson whooping everybody's ass in 18 months Mike Tyson.
Cshel86
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 8 2011, 07:33 PM) *
not to mention that Tyson had just about everyone talking about him back then, him getting upset was big news back then. Mike Tyson was big news for a long time. i used to always hear people talking about his fights when i was a kid and that's the 90s Tyson, not the young Tyson whooping everybody's ass in 18 months Mike Tyson.

Yeah Tyson was and always will be the true definition of a household name. Even younger kids nowadays knows who the hell Mike Tyson is. You would think he was part of the freakin' Elementary School curriculum...
Warlord
QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 8 2011, 05:37 PM) *
Back then, there were probably magazines that people used to read, talk back radio, more sports coverage and last but not least, a 42-1 underdog should probably clue you in on what people said about the fight. Well it would clue most people that use common sense on the thoughts of the fight just prior to it. What's wrong with you hun?

Radio? Local news affiliates? MAGAZINES? Jesus Fitz, that was all in the fucking Dinosaur age.

Everyone knows if it ain't on the internet, it ain't true. You'd have to go back and excavate a projector and some film reel to actually get some real footage of Tyson. Magazines? Shit. I think they may have still have some those in the Louvre. If not, you're shit out of luck, unless they've been scanned in by some genius of the internet age.

Talk radio is a pipe dream and you know it. It's lost to us forever until the internet geniuses build at least a warp-1 ship capable of getting us out far enough in space to capture the sound waves those radios emitted back in the day.

I have some old radio episodes of The Shadow and Gunsmoke on my MP3 player, but they're worth billions and I'm just holding out until the right time to unleash them on buyers at auction.

What I want to know is, how did people communicate before the internet? I heard they used to sit around in rooms and actually emit audible noises to each other, just hoping it might be intelligible, similar to the way some scientists believe dolphins and whales can communicate with each other. Can you believe it? What a bunch of douches. As if humans would ever do that.
Warlord
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Sep 8 2011, 08:44 AM) *
And that's how you know when you won an agrument, that other person has nothing to say. Klingon? You had to be at Dragon Con....

Nothing to say? You're a fucking idiot. Mayweather loses to Ortiz = "Sports biggest upset ever" in your book. What else do I even need to say? You lost all credibility the second you opened your mouth. I was just doing the play by play.

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