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BlueMercury
xxxxxx
QUOTE (BlueMercury @ Aug 28 2011, 12:56 AM) *



It's obvious to me that this was a real confrontation. I read on some other message boards that this was staged, but you can clearly see by the facial expressions of both men and the surrounding people that this was real. It shouldn't really be a surprise though because it seems to be the same argument time and time again with Sr. trying to get credit for Jr's success. I could see how that could get irritating after awhile for little Floyd, but he clearly over reacted here.And from what I remember Sr did leave De La Hoya before he fought his son. I've always been a Mayweather supporter and will continue to do so, but Jr could of handled this better. I think Jr is still upset at his Father for past situations and he lets it build up and then we get this.
Roi
He called his own dad "fag" and his not Jr LOL
Box in Hand
I'm gonna be honest, I fully understand where young Floyd is coming from. I had it out with my own dad like this. They seem to think that you're still a little boy but a man is a man and big Floyd needs to recognize that. He is primarily known for his son and De La Hoya. On another note, there were kids present and this will effect them.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
At the end of that tirade Floyd had that same pained look in his eye that Tyson had after the end of the Lennox Lewis press conference. No doubt Floyd is a hell of a fighter but he is clearly a damaged unit and I would say has a real genuine nasty streak.
xxxxxx
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 28 2011, 02:48 AM) *
At the end of that tirade Floyd had that same pained look in his eye that Tyson had after the end of the Lennox Lewis press conference. No doubt Floyd is a hell of a fighter but he is clearly a damaged unit and I would say has a real genuine nasty streak.



At the end when he was standing near the mirror stating it was his gym he had the look of embaresment and regret, but JR is to proud to ever admit that.
duwdu
QUOTE (xxxxxx @ Aug 28 2011, 04:36 AM) *
At the end when he was standing near the mirror stating it was his gym he had the look of embaresment and regret, but JR is to proud to ever admit that.

FMJ is showing some of the traits of someone who clearly needs something to give him the impetus to go out there and win, some pent up anger towards something, even if that something is provided by/through his father.

On the flip side, Snr. is still seeking - even desperate - to remain relevant in boxing. And what better way to achieve that at this stage (without a big name trainee of his own in recent times) than to be under the lights with his son! He simply can't keep away, nor does Jr. really desire him to.

Those two worlds and we get this drama. Not in the least surprising.

As for the kids themeslves, and considering the razzmatazz under which the're growing up, they would have been surprised had there been no such drama.

P34c3
TheFonz
I never would have thought I would be saying this..............but.................an upset might be brewing.
zucrates
QUOTE (TheFonz @ Aug 28 2011, 09:21 AM) *
I never would have thought I would be saying this..............but.................an upset might be brewing.

This might be true I've never seen a fighter win the fight where they had a long lay off , outside the ring problems and the distraction of a beautiful woman. It looks like it has gotten to a point where Floyd seems Like he's going to break. Also his Dad acts like he knows how to make Floyd 41 and 1 so he can't be unbeatable we know that? Floyd went to hard on his dad though because at the end of the day Big Floyd is the foundation and being that it should always be some respect for Sr for that but he can't get all the credit either it's a toss up! I hope they make up though because that is not a good look black eye.gif
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (zucrates @ Aug 28 2011, 10:13 AM) *
This might be true I've never seen a fighter win the fight where they had a long lay off , outside the ring problems and the distraction of a beautiful woman. It looks like it has gotten to a point where Floyd seems Like he's going to break. Also his Dad acts like he knows how to make Floyd 41 and 1 so he can't be unbeatable we know that? Floyd went to hard on his dad though because at the end of the day Big Floyd is the foundation and being that it should always be some respect for Sr for that but he can't get all the credit either it's a toss up! I hope they make up though because that is not a good look black eye.gif


In the beginning of 24/7 he gave credit to his dad. I just think Floyd Jr. seems to be constantly trying to prove that he is responsible for his success, and there is some truth to that. its like when someone says "Floyd Jr is a great boxer." Floyd Sr. will say "All because of me and me only." Instead of saying "My son is a great boxer. He has great talent and skill. He has done a lot to further his career by his hard word ethic and being a student of the sport. I laid the foundation but he built it into an empire." Bam, you give yourself credit and your kid credit. Simple as that. I just do not think Sr. has enough humility to do something like that and I do not think Jr. has the patience or the communication skill to rely that to his father.

In all they are still blood and hopefully they can work on their relationship....

Ortiz is getting knock out. Floyd will take all frustration out on Ortiz. Victor seems mentally handcuff
Method
QUOTE (TheFonz @ Aug 28 2011, 09:21 AM) *
I never would have thought I would be saying this..............but.................an upset might be brewing.

The ONLY way an upset might be brewing is if you have Ortiz as the favorite.
HazConvictedFelonMane
He looks like he's slacking on his training. Looking kinda flabby in the dressing room. I hope he doesn't look like that come time to weigh in. In respect to the conflict, I have no comment. Boys will be boys. There's always going to be some kind of rift between father and son when the background has saw someone being abused. The kid Jr. says that his father used to beat him when he was a child. I know that fact can make someone want to get some revenge one day. I hope they fix it for good one day. Big Floyd wants to see him get his ass whooped or knocked out now I reckon. That's just crazy.
Method
QUOTE (HazConvictedFelonMane @ Aug 28 2011, 11:57 AM) *
He looks like he's slacking on his training. Looking kinda flabby in the dressing room. I hope he doesn't look like that come time to weigh in. In respect to the conflict, I have no comment. Boys will be boys. There's always going to be some kind of rift between father and son when the background has saw someone being abused. The kid Jr. says that his father used to beat him when he was a child. I know that fact can make someone want to get some revenge one day. I hope they fix it for good one day. Big Floyd wants to see him get his ass whooped or knocked out now I reckon. That's just crazy.

He looked to be in absolute great shape, especially for how far away the fight is.
D-MARV
LOL... I think 24-7 is doing exactly what Floyd wants them to do! There making it seem as if Floyd distracted by all this issues going on outside of boxing...


Floyd is fittin' to school this kid.
Hotsauce
QUOTE (HazConvictedFelonMane @ Aug 28 2011, 10:57 AM) *
He looks like he's slacking on his training. Looking kinda flabby in the dressing room. I hope he doesn't look like that come time to weigh in. In respect to the conflict, I have no comment. Boys will be boys. There's always going to be some kind of rift between father and son when the background has saw someone being abused. The kid Jr. says that his father used to beat him when he was a child. I know that fact can make someone want to get some revenge one day. I hope they fix it for good one day. Big Floyd wants to see him get his ass whooped or knocked out now I reckon. That's just crazy.


big floyd wanted to trained oscar when he fought lil floyd.

big floyd even went into the ring and told oscar that he won the fight.
Hotsauce
QUOTE (D-MARV @ Aug 28 2011, 11:27 AM) *
LOL... I think 24-7 is doing exactly what Floyd wants them to do! There making it seem as if Floyd distracted by all this issues going on outside of boxing...


Floyd is fittin' to school this kid.


yep and people are getting sucked in.

thats what 24/7 is suppose to do.
Hotsauce
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Aug 28 2011, 10:49 AM) *
In the beginning of 24/7 he gave credit to his dad. I just think Floyd Jr. seems to be constantly trying to prove that he is responsible for his success, and there is some truth to that. its like when someone says "Floyd Jr is a great boxer." Floyd Sr. will say "All because of me and me only." Instead of saying "My son is a great boxer. He has great talent and skill. He has done a lot to further his career by his hard word ethic and being a student of the sport. I laid the foundation but he built it into an empire." Bam, you give yourself credit and your kid credit. Simple as that. I just do not think Sr. has enough humility to do something like that and I do not think Jr. has the patience or the communication skill to rely that to his father.

In all they are still blood and hopefully they can work on their relationship....

Ortiz is getting knock out. Floyd will take all frustration out on Ortiz. Victor seems mentally handcuff


does he ever give roger credit?
Hotsauce
QUOTE (TheFonz @ Aug 28 2011, 08:21 AM) *
I never would have thought I would be saying this..............but.................an upset might be brewing.


^^^^lol this is exactly what hbo wanted
Cshel86
This isn't the first time these two have been at odds or even exchanged blows...this is just the first time that its been visible to the public. There's no way in hell this shit was staged. The verbal smackdown was in full effect and Jr. was getting the best of it. The shit that they were saying (especially FMJ) cant be fixed...seemed like Floyd Jr wanted to put the nail in the coffin. Sr. was just "that guy that fought Sugar Ray Leonard", got shot in the leg and ended his career, and went to prison, while is son became a mega superstar without him (for the most part). I mean dude came back into Floyd's life as a pro and didn't even last 2 years...and his son still did good without him no2.gif That's gotta hurt his pride and self-worth, more than anything. I'm sure he's been hoping for Jr. to lose ever since he fired him back in '00, though Jr. has still made sure that Sr. was financially stable. Sr. needs to give Roger credit for stepping in, because if he discredits Roger, then that still means that Floyd Jr. did everything By HIMSELF...which we all know isn't the truth.
TheFonz
QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Aug 28 2011, 01:10 PM) *
^^^^lol this is exactly what hbo wanted



Maybe, but the fact that hbo want's you to think it doesn't make it any less true.....
TheFonz
What does Roger do besides hold pads?
Eighty88Eight
^if you actually listen to Roger's instructions, he's actually more concise than people give him credit for. he's extremely good at delineating just what floyd has to do against any particular opponent, and just as importantly, he doesn't talk too much in the corner. as george foreman use to say, you don't want to talk to those natural talents like Floyd too much, you just have to give them the general idea of what to do. I don't think there is anybody better suited to him than Roger.

watching that again, i don't think jr was going to lose his cool.
Cshel86
He did a good job of keeping his cool (sarcasm). Dude went overboard big time...
Hotsauce
QUOTE (TheFonz @ Aug 28 2011, 12:53 PM) *
What does Roger beside's hold pads?

some more stuff

we just don't see everything on 24/7.
Eighty88Eight
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Aug 28 2011, 02:35 PM) *
He did a good job of keeping his cool (sarcasm). Dude went overboard big time...


i mean i don't think he was about to take a swing or anything. it does go to show that floyd is probably capable of inflicting violence on someone over some bullshit reason. he's never been noted as being so hot tempered like that... but maybe his daddy just pisses him off.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Aug 28 2011, 02:48 PM) *
i mean i don't think he was about to take a swing or anything. it does go to show that floyd is probably capable of inflicting violence on someone over some bullshit reason. he's never been noted as being so hot tempered like that... but maybe his daddy just pisses him off.

This may be the sole reason behind his antics dntknw.gif
Method
QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Aug 28 2011, 02:34 PM) *
...if you actually listen to Roger's instructions, he's actually more concise than people give him credit for...he's extremely good at delineating just what floyd has to do against any particular opponent...

...you don't want to talk to those natural talents like Floyd too much, you just have to give them the general idea of what to do. I don't think there is anybody better suited to him than Roger.


So in one breath you declare him the "great delineator", and in the very next he's a "generalist".

Interesting. Ready for another one, Fitzie?
Hotsauce
another thing is that they didn't show the whole agrument, if they did it would take up the whole show.

there is no way in hell the argument between jr and sr lasted 4 mins.
Eighty88Eight
delineating doesn't connote "laborious detail". he gives floyd a concise outline between rounds and he usually doesn't exhaust himself in telling floyd to throw this or that combination as other trainers normally do.
zucrates
QUOTE (HazConvictedFelonMane @ Aug 28 2011, 11:57 AM) *
He looks like he's slacking on his training. Looking kinda flabby in the dressing room. I hope he doesn't look like that come time to weigh in. In respect to the conflict, I have no comment. Boys will be boys. There's always going to be some kind of rift between father and son when the background has saw someone being abused. The kid Jr. says that his father used to beat him when he was a child. I know that fact can make someone want to get some revenge one day. I hope they fix it for good one day. Big Floyd wants to see him get his ass whooped or knocked out now I reckon. That's just crazy.

I don't think big Floyd wants to see him lose because thats his claim to fame and in his eyes the fighter he created personally and like he said blood is thicker than mud(he would have trained DLH against him if that was the case)besides we all know he has the plan to beat his son because he truly knows FMJ's Weaknesses. They will get it straight.
zucrates
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Aug 28 2011, 11:49 AM) *
In the beginning of 24/7 he gave credit to his dad. I just think Floyd Jr. seems to be constantly trying to prove that he is responsible for his success, and there is some truth to that. its like when someone says "Floyd Jr is a great boxer." Floyd Sr. will say "All because of me and me only." Instead of saying "My son is a great boxer. He has great talent and skill. He has done a lot to further his career by his hard word ethic and being a student of the sport. I laid the foundation but he built it into an empire." Bam, you give yourself credit and your kid credit. Simple as that. I just do not think Sr. has enough humility to do something like that and I do not think Jr. has the patience or the communication skill to rely that to his father.

In all they are still blood and hopefully they can work on their relationship....

Ortiz is getting knock out. Floyd will take all frustration out on Ortiz. Victor seems mentally handcuff

An in the end he called him a fagot, just a cab driver and took the Jr. off his name. Big Floyd Has been doing this for yrs they know what he is saying when he says it hell little Floyd says he's the greatest boxer just like his father says he's the greatest trainer so I would think he would feel what his dad is saying(how does the best fighter not have the best trainer if the trainer taught you everything they say Floyd could train his self if he wanted to when he was 16)Floyd went in to hard, his dad knows his own past and if his past wasn't that would we even have a FMJ. I feel you on Ortiz's mental handcuffs(Does not remember Madinia) but will they break Floyd mentally in the fight with Pac and get him there!
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Aug 28 2011, 12:09 PM) *
does he ever give roger credit?


Did you not hear the argument? He gave Roger all the credit in the world and on Face Off he constantly mentioned Roger. He always gives Roger credit, always. Roger unlike his brother does not mush it down everyone throat that he taught his nephew the secrets of boxing, he let's his work speak for himself. Roger is in total control of Floyd's corner. Total control and Floyd listens.

QUOTE (zucrates @ Aug 28 2011, 03:27 PM) *
An in the end he called him a fagot, just a cab driver and took the Jr. off his name. Big Floyd Has been doing this for yrs they know what he is saying when he says it hell little Floyd says he's the greatest boxer just like his father says he's the greatest trainer so I would think he would feel what his dad is saying(how does the best fighter not have the best trainer if the trainer taught you everything they say Floyd could train his self if he wanted to when he was 16)Floyd went in to hard, his dad knows his own past and if his past wasn't that would we even have a FMJ. I feel you on Ortiz's mental handcuffs(Does not remember Madinia) but will they break Floyd mentally in the fight with Pac and get him there!


Calling his dad a faggot was pretty low but I am sure kids say shit about their parents all the time, it is just not recorded. I am sure there is a lot of hurt, The way Floyd Sr. treated Jr.'s mother plays apart and maybe the reason why Floyd surrounds himself around men is because he is lacking the close relationship and nurturing one with his father. You can see that. Psychology 101. Floyd has daddy issues and Sr. has regrets that he could never make up for. The time he served in jail was the time he needed to be in his don't life and you can never make up for lost time
caneman
BROTHER AKAY IN DA HOUZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST SAYING
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Aug 29 2011, 07:19 AM) *
delineating doesn't connote "laborious detail". he gives floyd a concise outline between rounds and he usually doesn't exhaust himself in telling floyd to throw this or that combination as other trainers normally do.



If by 'concise outline' you mean "just keep doing what you're doing" then I guess you are right laugh.gif
AKay
lol just reading up while we still have power.

I just watched the whole episode on youtube.
Crazy argument with his pops!
AKay
neophyte7
QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Aug 28 2011, 02:34 PM) *
^if you actually listen to Roger's instructions, he's actually more concise than people give him credit for. he's extremely good at delineating just what floyd has to do against any particular opponent, and just as importantly, he doesn't talk too much in the corner. as george foreman use to say, you don't want to talk to those natural talents like Floyd too much, you just have to give them the general idea of what to do. I don't think there is anybody better suited to him than Roger.

watching that again, i don't think jr was going to lose his cool.



EXECELLENT ANALYSIS ON ROGER... people seem to forget the guy was a reputable world champion!!! If you notice the true greats don't need lengthy diatribes in the corner. Bouise Fisher and Hopkins had the same vibe as does Hopkins and Nazim... Precise to the point instructions... What Roger and Floyd have is SYNERGY... Ortiz will be another work of art done by Floyd!!!
Eighty88Eight
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 28 2011, 04:43 PM) *
If by 'šoncise outline' you mean "just keep doing what you're doing" then I guess you are right laugh.gif


well considering how often floyd is dominating his opponent, it does take experience to know when to get out of the fighters way. but i was thinking more of like when he constantly repeated to floyd to put pressure on Judah's right hand side. just a basic, concise direction that was probably the key to Floyd controlling the fight as opposed to just winning it.
TheFonz
Floyd basically trains himself, IMO. He is that good. Roger does very little "training".
Eighty88Eight
i disagree, they say they don't talk about strategy, but Floyd is either prescient or just plain ol' prepared specifically for his opponent. Floyd didn't just pressure Mosley for no good reason... Roger told him to press the attack against the old man.
SmartyBeardo
QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Aug 28 2011, 01:56 PM) *
i disagree, they say they don't talk about strategy, but Floyd is either prescient or just plain ol' prepared specifically for his opponent. Floyd didn't just pressure Mosley for no good reason... Roger told him to press the attack against the old man.

I agree. Roger knows his part and he plays it efficiently.
Method
QUOTE (zucrates @ Aug 28 2011, 04:27 PM) *
An in the end he called him a fagot, just a cab driver and took the Jr. off his name.

He said "You lost to a cab driver"
HaydelHammer
I used to go at it like that with family members who always tried to talk shit and take credit for others work. Had flashbacks watching that sh*t. It was great. LOL

"How you gonna train locked up!"

"You couldn't fight worth SHIT!"

"Get the fuck out my gym!"

LOL
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (HazConvictedFelonMane @ Aug 29 2011, 01:57 AM) *
Big Floyd wants to see him get his ass whooped or knocked out now I reckon. That's just crazy.


If that is the case then I fully support Snr's agenda.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Aug 29 2011, 08:56 AM) *
i disagree, they say they don't talk about strategy, but Floyd is either prescient or just plain ol' prepared specifically for his opponent. Floyd didn't just pressure Mosley for no good reason... Roger told him to press the attack against the old man.


I believe it was Floyd Senior who put together the plan to beat Mosley. He (SENIOR) said it in an interview with Percy and I've never heard Roger of Junior deny it either. After he got hit by Mosley in the 2nd he was looking over to his dad, I think if they didn't have such a bad personality conflict he would prefer his father to train him. That's just my hunch of course.
Hops
A daddy will always be a daddy.
zucrates
QUOTE (Method @ Aug 28 2011, 06:21 PM) *
He said "You lost to a cab driver"

Nah I got it recorded it he said and I Quote "You weren't nothing but a mother fucking cab driver" but he lost to Sugar Ray he Ali shuffled his ass and gave him a 8 piece! clapping.gif
zucrates
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Aug 28 2011, 04:36 PM) *
Did you not hear the argument? He gave Roger all the credit in the world and on Face Off he constantly mentioned Roger. He always gives Roger credit, always. Roger unlike his brother does not mush it down everyone throat that he taught his nephew the secrets of boxing, he let's his work speak for himself. Roger is in total control of Floyd's corner. Total control and Floyd listens.



Calling his dad a faggot was pretty low but I am sure kids say shit about their parents all the time, it is just not recorded. I am sure there is a lot of hurt, The way Floyd Sr. treated Jr.'s mother plays apart and maybe the reason why Floyd surrounds himself around men is because he is lacking the close relationship and nurturing one with his father. You can see that. Psychology 101. Floyd has daddy issues and Sr. has regrets that he could never make up for. The time he served in jail was the time he needed to be in his don't life and you can never make up for lost time

I feel you all the way When Floyd Sr. went to jail, Drug use and the way he treated his mother crushes Floyd. Also as a parent i"ve heard my child say some harsh shit when upset and to Floyd not Jr Mayweather's credit his dad called him a punk first. Anyways they are a real family so they can work this out with time
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (zucrates @ Aug 29 2011, 04:55 PM) *
I feel you all the way When Floyd Sr. went to jail, Drug use and the way he treated his mother crushes Floyd. Also as a parent i"ve heard my child say some harsh shit when upset and to Floyd not Jr Mayweather's credit his dad called him a punk first. Anyways they are a real family so they can work this out with time



But in public? With camera's around? Man those dudes have no dignity. It's funny when Floyd fires up though, the stuttering starts and he begins to repeat the same lines over and over like he's trying to convince himself.

And boy did he look like a flamer waving his hands about at the start of the episode. And the part about Miss Jackson being a 'strong black woman' shoot she looks whiter than me laugh.gif

Agree with others though, Roger wins the quote sweepstakes with his 'bag of rice' comment. So much to enjoy about the Mayweather's and no I'm not laughing with them I'm laughing at them.

Fifty and Floyd make a nice couple though. Leonard Ellerbee probably has a dartboard at home with Fifty's face on it, haha.

Man if there was only some way to get Lindsay Lohan and her family on the show it would be complete!
gravytrain
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 29 2011, 01:11 AM) *
But in public? With camera's around? Man those dudes have no dignity. It's funny when Floyd fires up though, the stuttering starts and he begins to repeat the same lines over and over like he's trying to convince himself.

And boy did he look like a flamer waving his hands about at the start of the episode. And the part about Miss Jackson being a 'strong black woman' shoot she looks whiter than me laugh.gif

Agree with others though, Roger wins the quote sweepstakes with his 'bag of rice' comment. So much to enjoy about the Mayweather's and no I'm not laughing with them I'm laughing at them.

Fifty and Floyd make a nice couple though. Leonard Ellerbee probably has a dartboard at home with Fifty's face on it, haha.

Man if there was only some way to get Lindsay Lohan and her family on the show it would be complete!


gay cats have no shame in their game. May May, Leo and Curtis are probably closer than you think.

The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Aug 29 2011, 05:29 PM) *
gay cats have no shame in their game. May May, Leo and Curtis are probably closer than you think.


I expect to read all about this soon in Tiger Beat. That mystery man may finally be revealed. laugh.gif
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