Vargas, with his roided up arms, was bound to tire before DLH. The guy couldn't keep his arms up late in the fight.
i think Mayweather-Ortiz is gonna be a lot like Vargas-De La Hoya
QUOTE (Big Slim Sweet @ Sep 6 2011, 11:00 PM) 
Oscar knocked him out in the 11th (though really the fight was over by the end of the 10th).
That had nothing to do with stamina and everything to do with class.
Floyd or no Floyd, Oscar was beating Vargas ass that night.
That had nothing to do with stamina and everything to do with class.
Floyd or no Floyd, Oscar was beating Vargas ass that night.
no matter how silly i might think it is...ur entitled to ur opinion.
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 8 2011, 08:01 PM)
no matter how silly i might think it is...ur entitled to ur opinion.
Nah really, Vargas knew he was up shit creek when Oscar tapped him with that hook in the 7th round. At that point, you couldn't help but to guess how far he was from a knockout...then came the closing seconds of the 10 round
The 11th round just sealed the deal...
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 8 2011, 07:01 PM)
no matter how silly i might think it is...ur entitled to ur opinion.
As you are entitled to yours. But if your opinion is that Vargas would have knocked De La Hoya out had it not been for the tricks taught to him by Floyd Mayweather Sr., my opinion is that you are crazy.
these old training videos of mayweather on the front page are retarded
QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 8 2011, 11:54 PM)
Pretty sure this is the same guy that said Ali can't be one of the most skilled fighters because he was a heavyweight. Don't stress Slim.
Haha I saw that. Something like Ali was the most skilled heavyweight but heavyweights are the least skilled class so he doesn't count.
We need a face palm icon.
QUOTE (Big Slim Sweet @ Sep 8 2011, 10:53 PM)
As you are entitled to yours. But if your opinion is that Vargas would have knocked De La Hoya out had it not been for the tricks taught to him by Floyd Mayweather Sr., my opinion is that you are crazy.
go back and watch the first round. shoulder rolling saved oscars ass in that fight. had he fought his normal robotic style he probably wouldn't have survived the first round. that was all floyd sr.
QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 9 2011, 12:54 AM)
Pretty sure this is the same guy that said Ali can't be one of the most skilled fighters because he was a heavyweight. Don't stress Slim.
obviously u guys don't understand the term 'skill' or u haven't watched enough boxing to know that ali is not the most skilled fighter of the last 50yrs.
QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Sep 9 2011, 01:53 AM)
these old training videos of mayweather on the front page are retarded
I haven't watched them, no idea why anyone would. But hey, it's FloydHype.
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 9 2011, 07:30 PM)
obviously u guys don't understand the term 'skill' or u haven't watched enough boxing to know that ali is not the most skilled fighter of the last 50yrs.
Yeah, Fitz. I had a feeling you didnt know what skill meant.
Ali was tough, physically sound, and a smart fighter, but he wasn't the most 'technically' skilled fighter.
What, you're thinking crazy. Oscar's chin man... Vargas beat Oscar, with or without Floyd Sr? No way.
Actually I might go watch the first round to see what you're saying.
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 9 2011, 03:28 PM)
go back and watch the first round. shoulder rolling saved oscars ass in that fight. had he fought his normal robotic style he probably wouldn't have survived the first round. that was all floyd sr.
What, you're thinking crazy. Oscar's chin man... Vargas beat Oscar, with or without Floyd Sr? No way.
Actually I might go watch the first round to see what you're saying.
QUOTE (sduck @ Sep 9 2011, 04:52 PM)
Ali was tough, physically sound, and a smart fighter, but he wasn't the most 'technically' skilled fighter.
What, you're thinking crazy. Oscar's chin man... Vargas beat Oscar, with or without Floyd Sr? No way.
Actually I might go watch the first round to see what you're saying.
What, you're thinking crazy. Oscar's chin man... Vargas beat Oscar, with or without Floyd Sr? No way.
Actually I might go watch the first round to see what you're saying.
check out towards the end of the round when vargas had dlh pinned to the ropes. all that defense was floyd sr. u never saw oscar move like that previously in his career. everyone got excited and thought vargas was doing something....but all that shoulder rolling and slipping is what saved oscar.
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 9 2011, 03:30 PM)
obviously u guys don't understand the term 'skill' or u haven't watched enough boxing to know that ali is not the most skilled fighter of the last 50yrs.
under your own rules Mayweather can't even be considered since he'd problems with the pressure Castillo put on him. that one fight killed it for him.
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 9 2011, 06:06 PM)
under your own rules Mayweather can't even be considered since he'd problems with the pressure Castillo put on him. that one fight killed it for him.
he beat castillo twice...so how can that be considered a problem?
QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 9 2011, 10:20 PM)
He lost to Duran because he fought Duran's fight, and went on to beat him 2 times later anyways. Same thing probably would have happened to Mayweather if you replace Castillo with Duran. Big difference between Duran and Castillo.
when all things were equal...duran beat leonard. i don't put too much stock into the leonard wins over duran.
ur absolutely right....duran was a hell of a lot better than castillo and would more than likely beat mayweather in a mythical match up.
what u fail to understand though....mayweather is more technically skilled than duran. does that stop duran from being a top 3 atg? no. skill doesn't always equal victory.
QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 12 2011, 05:14 PM)
No, Leonard decided to fight with Duran which wasn't in his best interest, rather than box with Duran. That was the difference, and Leonard made a good account for himself by fighting the fight on Duran's terms.
After that, Leonard fought on his terms. That's the difference.
If Mayweather decided to fight with a good pressure fighter rather than box, you would probably come up with the same conclusion. The first fight with Duran wasn't that Leonard couldn't deal with pressure, it was just simply he decided to fight and try and beat Duran at his own game.
After that, Leonard fought on his terms. That's the difference.
If Mayweather decided to fight with a good pressure fighter rather than box, you would probably come up with the same conclusion. The first fight with Duran wasn't that Leonard couldn't deal with pressure, it was just simply he decided to fight and try and beat Duran at his own game.
i suggest u read up on leonard/duran 2 or watch legendary nights. they're whole strategy to winning that fight was getting duran immediately so he wouldn't be properly prepared. they knew duran ballooned up after the fight. duran's manager sold him out. dundee has spoke on it openly. check duran's biography if u don't believe me.
also...watch the rematch. leonard really didn't do shit. he never hurt duran. hell...duran never even said 'no mas.' that was howard cosells claim. but everyone bought into it the same way ppl gobble up all the other bullshyt in the media.
again....i'm not arguing whether duran would beat floyd or not. i'm still saying....floyd is more technically skilled than duran.
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