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The Ollie Reed Fan Club
So I read that Denis Lebedev may be a possible upcoming opponent for James Toney. Percy better get James on the phone!

I think it would be a good fight for James. They have a common opponent in Roy Jones although it being a vastly different Roy Jones and Lebedev is not far removed from a split decision loss to Marco Huck. he is tough but limited and provided James isn't completely shot would be a good opponent to gauge whether the weight loss has really made a difference.

He would run the risk of some hometown cooking but at this stage of James' career I think he has to take the chance. get by Lebedev he could then take a potentially lucrative match against Huck in Germany and win a strap. If he's got strap he might just lure Hopkins into the match he wants or even David Haye.

I admit it's drawing a long bow but take the Lebedev fight, look good in winning and within one more fight he may be back in the picture. Frankly I don't see many other ways back for him.
JLUVBABY
i could be wrong but the last minute ko aside jones wasnt that far from winning his fight vs lebedev... its not like he wasnt in the fight at all... at this point in his career toney has a lot more left in his tank then jones does and will take a better punch and just over all skill is still better... call me crazy but imma go with toney in this fight... jones showed he is not some IVAN DRAGO and toney will put the skill he has to shine vs this high level b fighter... my opinion...
gravytrain
i wouldn't mind seeing this, i don't think he'll get any big fights even if he wins though. the best he can hope for is staying busy at CW then trying to David Haye a fight with Wlad.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 5 2011, 11:21 PM) *
i wouldn't mind seeing this, i don't think he'll get any big fights even if he wins though. the best he can hope for is staying busy at CW then trying to David Haye a fight with Wlad.


disagree... if toney wins the fight he has several options... for starters it catapults him into being a player in the cuiser division again... he'd have his pick of champions... he could go to australia and beat up danny green... he could be a prime target for, shall he win a major belt or maybe even not for hopkins should he beat dawson... or... he could pull a hopkins and beat up roy jones in a fight if promoted right would appeal to the casual fans where roy still has a name.... not many of them even know roy got knocked out in the last round of his fight standing up not to long ago... lol... just saying... toney would have a boat load of options...
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 6 2011, 04:21 PM) *
i wouldn't mind seeing this, i don't think he'll get any big fights even if he wins though. the best he can hope for is staying busy at CW then trying to David Haye a fight with Wlad.



You could be right but Sauerland in Germany have both Huck and Cunningham under their banner. If he got a big win in Germany then maybe he'll get a payday against a Klit. Can you imagine how a trash talking juggernaut like Toney would go down over there?
gravytrain
J, i'm talking about a fight like the Klit fight he's been chasing for years. not a big CW fight. i would like to see him get a title then use that title to knock off a weak HW like Povetkin before cashing out or cashing in or Wlad.

Ollie, i think he might give Wlad a stroke. he'll be trying to hold in the anger as Toney is talking about fucking his momma from behind then just keel over on Face Off.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 6 2011, 04:35 PM) *
J, i'm talking about a fight like the Klit fight he's been chasing for years. not a big CW fight. i would like to see him get a title then use that title to knock off a weak HW like Povetkin before cashing out or cashing in or Wlad.

Ollie, i think he might give Wlad a stroke. he'll be trying to hold in the anger as Toney is talking about fucking his momma from behind then just keel over on Face Off.


Face-Off would be hilarious. If that's what David Haye could do to Wlad can you imagine how Toney would wind him up?

Of course all of this would need subtitles and not for Wlad either laugh.gif
gravytrain
Toney will probably talk so much shit he'll get a 24/7.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 6 2011, 04:51 PM) *
Toney will probably talk so much shit he'll get a 24/7.


I've said it a few times the guy needs a reality show. Fuck who cares whether it even involves him boxing he just needs a reality show, period.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 5 2011, 11:35 PM) *
J, i'm talking about a fight like the Klit fight he's been chasing for years. not a big CW fight. i would like to see him get a title then use that title to knock off a weak HW like Povetkin before cashing out or cashing in or Wlad.

Ollie, i think he might give Wlad a stroke. he'll be trying to hold in the anger as Toney is talking about fucking his momma from behind then just keel over on Face Off.

i feel you gravy... im talking realistic fights he would actually have a chance of winning... toney, in the rematch, got OUTBOXED by sam peter.... he is not gonna win a championship at that weight... at cruiser he may have a chance...
checkleft
He would more than likely pull what tarver did to green with this chump, he fought a completely shot rj Jr, in the worst physique I think anyone has ever seen Roy in, and still Roy was catching him and I believe even had him hurt at times.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 6 2011, 12:40 AM) *
He would more than likely pull what tarver did to green with this chump, he fought a completely shot rj Jr, in the worst physique I think anyone has ever seen Roy in, and still Roy was catching him and I believe even had him hurt at times.


yassa... very winnable fight for james toney...
JONdaCON817
Almost any fight is winnable for Toney Baloney... who cares who he fights, get my boy bacc in the ring!!!.... with his mouth and antics any fight Toney is in is deff worth watching... ide love to see him clown a Klit... hahaha.
daprofessor
QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Sep 6 2011, 12:26 AM) *
disagree... if toney wins the fight he has several options... for starters it catapults him into being a player in the cuiser division again... he'd have his pick of champions... he could go to australia and beat up danny green... he could be a prime target for, shall he win a major belt or maybe even not for hopkins should he beat dawson... or... he could pull a hopkins and beat up roy jones in a fight if promoted right would appeal to the casual fans where roy still has a name.... not many of them even know roy got knocked out in the last round of his fight standing up not to long ago... lol... just saying... toney would have a boat load of options...


after the asswhoopin james put on danny green in the wildcard a few years back...i seriously doubt green wants any part of toney. i agree though...he'll have some options.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
Well looks like James Toney got his wish and has signed for the Lebedev fight. Should be a good one to see where he is at. I'd say he'll either look really horrible or he will wind back the clock with a vintage performance. I don't think it will be somewhere in the middle. And it is to fight at 200 pounds.

If he does wins well there should be a good money fight to take on Huck for a strap in Germany. Huck is very strong and powerful, but crude and wild at the same time. If Toney has got his game on he should be able to counter punch him and eat him up on the inside. That could also be a potentially exciting fight.

Whoa look out Russia is all I can say! laugh.gif
BigG
If Toney can turn back the clock and give a performance similar to when he beat Jirov, Holyfield, Ruiz he will whoop the shit out of Lebedev....This is the first time in years Toney doesnt have the body of Grimace hahaha...Shit so we'll see...I think he has enough experience and skills to beat Lebedev.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (BigG @ Sep 25 2011, 07:52 PM) *
If Toney can turn back the clock and give a performance similar to when he beat Jirov, Holyfield, Ruiz he will whoop the shit out of Lebedev....This is the first time in years Toney doesnt have the body of Grimace hahaha...Shit so we'll see...I think he has enough experience and skills to beat Lebedev.



So do I. If he gets the win and can fight Huck relatively quickly, then potentially he has a strap at 200 pounds. Now I'm not sure whether that would guarantee a fight with Hopkins but it might peak his interest a lil.
wolterb
knockout for toney rd 8
lloyd mayflower
Lebedev by decision
Fitz
Toney if looks reasonable should beat Lebdev, fuck, I thought RJJ was in the fight and close to an even fight when he got stopped.
FinitoElDinamita
Ill say this right now... James Toney will beat Lebedev..

Roy Jones was fighting much better than expected, even winning the fight on of the judge's card.. ( I had him up as well ) but it was his poor punch resistance that let him down, ultimately.. If Roy could have absorbed some shots, he would have won... He lost because he couldnt take a punch..

WEll Toney's chin is legit and he can always take a punch.. If ROy fought that well, Toney WILL do alot better... What separates toney and roy is their ability to take a punch and their defensive ability.. TOney is superior in both these areas and he has the style to make Lebedev look stupid.. Once he gets his shoulder rolls goin, Lebedev is going to be confused and swinging for air..

Lebedez is nothing but a bigger version of David Diaz, but slower.. Ya think Toney is gonna lose to a fuckin David Diaz?? lol think again..

Lebedez's style is all stupid and he's tailor made for Toney..
Method
The ONLY way back for James.
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