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Cshel86


Im still not completely sold on Bradley, but Im sure that a couple of convincing wins against decent opposition upon his return, may sway my view of him as a fighter. His name has been coming up lately in threads, so I decided to open a quick thread. It's been rumors that he will return before the end of the year (possibly on the Pacquiao/Marquez undercard), and he's recently called out Morales.

I was curious to know everybody else's opinion on where he stands in the 140 lb division and his possible move up to Welterweight. In my opinion, a fight against Maidana or Matthysse would be a good comeback fight, as well as a big statement in the meantime. What are yall's thoughts on him in the WW division?

I have my doubts about him, but like I said in a thread earlier, I was NEVER a big Khan fan (and he still bothers me from time to time), but he is now starting to grow on me, so ANYTHING'S possible in regards to Bradley growing on me. Have at it...
King Eugene
Tim Bradley is a force, he just thinks his value is way more than what it really is. Dude couldn't sell out the cardboard box a 32" Plasma came in.
Cshel86
QUOTE (King Eugene @ Sep 21 2011, 11:08 PM) *
Tim Bradley is a force, he just thinks his value is way more than what it really is. Dude couldn't sell out the cardboard box a 32" Plasma came in.

You are right! He is a force (potentially in my opinion), but I dont see many people paying to watch him fight on PPV until he blows a few dangerous opponents out of the water and get his ticket sales up. I see him having trouble with/not getting by a few fighters, but its something that I need to see before I srart ranking him and so forth.

Lmao! You kill me with these analogies about fighters not being able to sell tickets! First you said some fighters cant sell out a rec gym, now they cant fill up a "32 plasma tv cardboard box?! Hahahaha!!! Im done with you King! Lol!
Mean Mister Mustard
QUOTE (King Eugene @ Sep 21 2011, 11:08 PM) *
Tim Bradley is a force, he just thinks his value is way more than what it really is. Dude couldn't sell out the cardboard box a 32" Plasma came in.


That's the problem, but I sympathize with him. After all, he has beaten Witter, Holt, Bradley and Alexander, and therefore he feels he should be paid more. But like you said, if you can't sell out a joint, ever, then you're not going to be paid millions, unless you're with Al Haymon.
zucrates
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Sep 21 2011, 09:28 PM) *


Im still not completely sold on Bradley, but Im sure that a couple of convincing wins against decent opposition upon his return, may sway my view of him as a fighter. His name has been coming up lately in threads, so I decided to open a quick thread. It's been rumors that he will return before the end of the year (possibly on the Pacquiao/Marquez undercard), and he's recently called out Morales.

I was curious to know everybody else's opinion on where he stands in the 140 lb division and his possible move up to Welterweight. In my opinion, a fight against Maidana or Matthysse would be a good comeback fight, as well as a big statement in the meantime. What are yall's thoughts on him in the WW division?

I have my doubts about him, but like I said in a thread earlier, I was NEVER a big Khan fan (and he still bothers me from time to time), but he is now starting to grow on me, so ANYTHING'S possible in regards to Bradley growing on me. Have at it...

Tim Bradley is the Evander Holyfield of jr welterweights he's a good boxer but I would like to see him with Ortiz to see who got the hardest head butt
Lil-lightsout
I am a huge fan of Bradley. I like his skills, pressure, desire, work ethic, and mostly his toughness. I am not here to convince anyone to agree with me, cause we all see things differently, but Bradley beats anyone at 140 IMO. I think he is the complete package, though he could use a bit more pop on his punches.

Now I am not following all this BS right now with what's going on with him and why he is inactive. It sucks but let's hope he knows what he is doing and he gets things worked out and get's busy real soon. That said here are a few match-ups with him and how I think they would play out.

Morales- Tim would easily beat Erik every second and get a easy decision or TKO victory. Bradley is too slick, fast, and young.

Maidana- More easy work for Bradley. Easily outbox the raw Maidana in a wide decision win.

Matthysse- A little tougher fight, but Tim would be a step ahead of him most of the time. 118-110 win.

Khan- Khan would jump out to an early lead, but once Bradley gets his timing down he can counter punch him more often as Khan tires a bit. And Bradley can then close the gap some more and force more of a sloppy inside fight mid rounds, which would favor Tim big time. As we get into the championship rounds Tim can go in for the kill and get the stoppage.

Now for a few fights at welterweight.

Ortiz- Bradley would weather some rocky early onslaughts by Victor. Mid to late rounds Tim will be warming up as he finds a very hittable Ortiz and gets a late stoppage by Ortiz quitting on his stool (I figured he already lost by cheap shot and got DQ'd, quit in middle of fight for being a bitch, and head butted-kissed-touched gloves-hugged-then hook-right KO'd).

Pac- I give this one to Pac in an exciting scrap that probably goes the distance. Pac has been at this level for a long time now. I would say Pac would build an early lead and Tim would come on late after Pac slows down a bit and gives Bradley more opportunities. But it would be too little too late, though Bradley would be competitive throughout. Or there is the possibility of an early stoppage with Pac's speed and power, but I would not count on that scenario.

Berto- I say with Berto's speed, size and power, he take's the early rounds for sure. BUT mid point as Berto starts gassing, Bradley would maul him and get a late stoppage for sure with Andre's poor defense.

Mayweather- Easy unanimous decision win for PBF. I love Tim, but horrible style match-up for him. Floyd would pick him apart from the outside and on the inside I just do not think he could be real effective with PBF's slick defense.

Anyway these are just some of my takes. I am sure some would not agree, but since I know more than all you bitches, just shut up, read, respect, and learn. Your welcome. Haha.
PColeman28
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Sep 21 2011, 08:26 PM) *
some fighters cant sell out a rec gym, now they cant fill up a "32 plasma tv cardboard box?! Hahahaha!!! Im done with you King! Lol!



I was hurtin laughing when i read this lol....it's true though
kingknockout
Tim is a smart fighter, i remember him during the peterson fight hand how he was beating lamont great on the outside, but somehow tried to fight with him on the inside and he was doing great for a minute but lamont punches finally started to wear and tear on him....so he back up and boxed again.

I'd like to see him go up against a real pressure fighter.....someone like a Victor Ortiz that will take the fight to him and throw body shots....

I'd also like to see him go against someone like Andre berto, someone with speed and is willing to just fight it out....I really want to see this match, it would be interesting to see the outcome, they are both good fighters.

even though victor got outclassed by floyd I'd still like to see him fight bradley, victor did get andre berto out of there.

Besides Victor, and Berto I don't see no one else giving bradley problems. not including pacman and mayweather.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Sep 22 2011, 12:21 AM) *
I am a huge fan of Bradley. I like his skills, pressure, desire, work ethic, and mostly his toughness. I am not here to convince anyone to agree with me, cause we all see things differently, but Bradley beats anyone at 140 IMO. I think he is the complete package, though he could use a bit more pop on his punches.

Now I am not following all this BS right now with what's going on with him and why he is inactive. It sucks but let's hope he knows what he is doing and he gets things worked out and get's busy real soon. That said here are a few match-ups with him and how I think they would play out.

Morales- Tim would easily beat Erik every second and get a easy decision or TKO victory. Bradley is too slick, fast, and young.

Maidana- More easy work for Bradley. Easily outbox the raw Maidana in a wide decision win.

Matthysse- A little tougher fight, but Tim would be a step ahead of him most of the time. 118-110 win.

Khan- Khan would jump out to an early lead, but once Bradley gets his timing down he can counter punch him more often as Khan tires a bit. And Bradley can then close the gap some more and force more of a sloppy inside fight mid rounds, which would favor Tim big time. As we get into the championship rounds Tim can go in for the kill and get the stoppage.

Now for a few fights at welterweight.

Ortiz- Bradley would weather some rocky early onslaughts by Victor. Mid to late rounds Tim will be warming up as he finds a very hittable Ortiz and gets a late stoppage by Ortiz quitting on his stool (I figured he already lost by cheap shot and got DQ'd, quit in middle of fight for being a bitch, and head butted-kissed-touched gloves-hugged-then hook-right KO'd).

Pac- I give this one to Pac in an exciting scrap that probably goes the distance. Pac has been at this level for a long time now. I would say Pac would build an early lead and Tim would come on late after Pac slows down a bit and gives Bradley more opportunities. But it would be too little too late, though Bradley would be competitive throughout. Or there is the possibility of an early stoppage with Pac's speed and power, but I would not count on that scenario.

Berto- I say with Berto's speed, size and power, he take's the early rounds for sure. BUT mid point as Berto starts gassing, Bradley would maul him and get a late stoppage for sure with Andre's poor defense.

Mayweather- Easy unanimous decision win for PBF. I love Tim, but horrible style match-up for him. Floyd would pick him apart from the outside and on the inside I just do not think he could be real effective with PBF's slick defense.

Anyway these are just some of my takes. I am sure some would not agree, but since I know more than all you bitches, just shut up, read, respect, and learn. Your welcome. Haha.


Thanks to you Lightsout, Im actually waiting for this guy to fight again, lol. I can see him giving El Terrible a hard time at this stage of his career, and I see him getting past Matthysse, hands down. Matthysse doesn't put in enough work at the start of the bell, then finally decides to dial in during the middle rounds, so yeah, Bradley gives it 'em. I still have my doubts about him passing The Test (Maidana) and also beating Khan, those are just my thoughts. Maidana, I feel, will overwhelm Tim because I dont see his punches making a big difference. As far as Khan goes; height, handspeed, movement, may frustrate Bradley down the stretch.

As far as the Welterweights go, I just dont see it happening...maybe because I haven't seen him in the harder bouts at 140. In my opinion, if he slugs it out and defeats Maidana and goes a full 12 with Khan, then I will definitely give him a chance at WW. Though I really didn't like him early this year, I would've gave him his just due, had he beat Alexander convincingly (maybe because nothing much happened during the fight and it also ended badly).

Like I said earlier, if Amir Khan can grow on me, then almost anybody can grow on me, including Bradley, excluding Malignaggi (hate that guy). You are the only hardcore Bradley fan I know (and you actually know the sport well), so I will watch his fights again, and shoot for a better analysis (I guess).
wolterb
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Sep 22 2011, 11:30 AM) *
I can see him giving El Terrible a hard time at this stage of his career, and I see him getting past Matthysse, hands down. Matthysse doesn't put in enough work at the start of the bell, then finally decides to dial in during the middle rounds, so yeah, Bradley gives it 'em. As far as Khan goes; height, handspeed, movement, may frustrate Bradley down the stretch. [/b]


hell yea man.
i think he stomps on morales for sure though..morales is one o my faves but based on both maidana and the cano fights...i dont think he could get a W. i dont think bradley would get a k.o. but he def gets the decision and i bet he dominates for the last half of the fight.
matthysse would be a tough fight i think for bradley! like you said though, seems like lucas is super patient and tries to figure out his opponents. only problem is by the time he does figure em' out hes given away too many rds to turn the table.
that khan fight would be a good one i think. idk who'd come outta that but i think (as much as i hate to say it) i'd hafta lean towards amir gettin a decision
Cshel86
QUOTE (wolterb @ Sep 22 2011, 12:11 PM) *
hell yea man.
i think he stomps on morales for sure though..morales is one o my faves but based on both maidana and the cano fights...i dont think he could get a W. i dont think bradley would get a k.o. but he def gets the decision and i bet he dominates for the last half of the fight.
matthysse would be a tough fight i think for bradley! like you said though, seems like lucas is super patient and tries to figure out his opponents. only problem is by the time he does figure em' out hes given away too many rds to turn the table.
that khan fight would be a good one i think. idk who'd come outta that but i think (as much as i hate to say it) i'd hafta lean towards amir gettin a decision

Yeah Morales made me back-pedal a bit after the Cano fight. Cano wasn't a punk by any measure, but Morales was taking a some hits that he shouldn't have taken...especially if he's talking about fighter top notch fighters next year (Maidana again, Khan, Guerrero). I would've given Morales all the chances in the world to beat Bradley, especially after the Maidana fight where fought with determination and weathered the storm on several occasions. At this point, Bradley beats him.

Classic Matthysse: Gives away the first few rounds, delivers "self-questioning agony" to his opponents, then leaves the last couple of rounds in the air...knowing that they will go the more popular fighter. He is most likely to get his paper stapled by Bradley, because he will look to get him outta there early. I forgot about a possible Bradley/Guerrero bout, which is likely because Guerrero's shoulder should be okay and Bradley should be back before the end of the year.

Anybody see a Bradley/Guerrero bout happening?
EAlbian
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Sep 21 2011, 11:21 PM) *
I am a huge fan of Bradley. I like his skills, pressure, desire, work ethic, and mostly his toughness. I am not here to convince anyone to agree with me, cause we all see things differently, but Bradley beats anyone at 140 IMO. I think he is the complete package, though he could use a bit more pop on his punches.

Now I am not following all this BS right now with what's going on with him and why he is inactive. It sucks but let's hope he knows what he is doing and he gets things worked out and get's busy real soon. That said here are a few match-ups with him and how I think they would play out.

Morales- Tim would easily beat Erik every second and get a easy decision or TKO victory. Bradley is too slick, fast, and young.

Maidana- More easy work for Bradley. Easily outbox the raw Maidana in a wide decision win.

Matthysse- A little tougher fight, but Tim would be a step ahead of him most of the time. 118-110 win.

Khan- Khan would jump out to an early lead, but once Bradley gets his timing down he can counter punch him more often as Khan tires a bit. And Bradley can then close the gap some more and force more of a sloppy inside fight mid rounds, which would favor Tim big time. As we get into the championship rounds Tim can go in for the kill and get the stoppage.

Now for a few fights at welterweight.

Ortiz- Bradley would weather some rocky early onslaughts by Victor. Mid to late rounds Tim will be warming up as he finds a very hittable Ortiz and gets a late stoppage by Ortiz quitting on his stool (I figured he already lost by cheap shot and got DQ'd, quit in middle of fight for being a bitch, and head butted-kissed-touched gloves-hugged-then hook-right KO'd).

Pac- I give this one to Pac in an exciting scrap that probably goes the distance. Pac has been at this level for a long time now. I would say Pac would build an early lead and Tim would come on late after Pac slows down a bit and gives Bradley more opportunities. But it would be too little too late, though Bradley would be competitive throughout. Or there is the possibility of an early stoppage with Pac's speed and power, but I would not count on that scenario.

Berto- I say with Berto's speed, size and power, he take's the early rounds for sure. BUT mid point as Berto starts gassing, Bradley would maul him and get a late stoppage for sure with Andre's poor defense.

Mayweather- Easy unanimous decision win for PBF. I love Tim, but horrible style match-up for him. Floyd would pick him apart from the outside and on the inside I just do not think he could be real effective with PBF's slick defense.

Anyway these are just some of my takes. I am sure some would not agree, but since I know more than all you bitches, just shut up, read, respect, and learn. Your welcome. Haha.


Lights I normally agree with you but today is not the day haha. Bradley beat up on an aging class that wasn't all that deep at the time. Witter was a legit guy but was a B fighter in his best days(It was a very close fight too, basically won on the KD). Edner Cherry is an ESPN-levelŠ fighter at best. Holt has Power and was able to get to Bradley, I've never been big on the guy(his fights with Torres were good tho) but he's a B- fighter in my book. The Nate Campbell fight I gave him credit for but Nate looked so bad after that(went 0-3) leads me to believe he was shot. Lamont Peterson he deserves credit for and I can't knock him for that fight. He didn't impress me with the Abregu fight, couldn't finish a guy who was walking in with no defense, and all of his punches were way too wide. The Alexander fight is nothing to brag about, both guys looked like shit. Alexander did not look comfortable or ready for this fight, he was/maybe still isn't managed the right way(he still needs growth fights, he's only 24). Bradley did win but didn't prove to me with this sloppy-ass fight that he's elite.

Morales- Timmy has way too much at this point, Bradley UD

Maidana- I think he gives Timmy all he can handle, he's much better version than Abregu who Bradley couldn't get rid of. This is a rough and tough fight that I can't really pick a winner in. I can see it both ways and this fight should happen.

Matthysse- Another tough fight but Bradley has enough to beat him

Khan- I think Bradley knew going into the fight he'd lose and because of that decided to hedge his bet and pass over a good payday(way more than he's worth imo for the stinkers he's laid) for the possibility to cash in on a fight that he could retire off of and maybe gain him some exposure. I can't say what he did was wrong because it would seem to make $en$e. he's wasting his prime on the shelf tho. I think Khan's height and length is too much for Bradley who isn't fast enough or powerful enough to warrant Khans respect. Khan throws fast combos with a measured jab and unless you can eat on the way in and deliver when you get there(Maidana), it's going to be hard to beat him.

Ortiz- I think Ortiz has underrated boxing ability and is a big dude(164 fight night) with some power and a lil speed. I don't think Timmy threatens him in any way besides using his head which could cause Ortiz to have a mental lapse and do something dumb or quit. I see Ortiz being able to Handle what Timmy dishes out, Ortiz by stoppage against the ropes.

Berto- This is a very good fight, they both can offset the others game. Berto wants to rest, Bradley has a great motor. I think the speed of Berto coupled with the power and wide shots of Bradley could spell TROUBLE. I think Timmy is a little too small for Berto and we see a Berto win but Bradley out-motoring Berto is not out of the question. Berto KO or Bradley UD

Floyd- Not worth my time haha

Pac- Walks thru him in a Hatton like KO, Bradley's punches are so wide
lloyd mayflower
The longer Bradley sits on his arse, the more Khan takes his title as "the man" at 140 by default, and Bradley, while he may think hes waiting to land the big fish at 147, is slipping into obscurity and once again, Khan, who is already a much bigger name becomes the more viable opponent for the May's, Pac's, Bertos and Ortiz's of this world.
EAlbian
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 22 2011, 12:00 PM) *
The longer Bradley sits on his arse, the more Khan takes his title as "the man" at 140 by default, and Bradley, while he may think hes waiting to land the big fish at 147, is slipping into obscurity and once again, Khan, who is already a much bigger name becomes the more viable opponent for the May's, Pac's, Bertos and Ortiz's of this world.


I have to agree with this, however he did just sign with Top Rank and their stable is looking kinda weak around 140-147. If Pac vs May doesn't happen Timmy seems like the likely opponent, especially if they put him on the undercard of Pac vs Marquez.

Cshel86
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Sep 22 2011, 12:46 PM) *
Lights I normally agree with you but today is not the day haha. Bradley beat up on an aging class that wasn't all that deep at the time. Witter was a legit guy but was a B fighter in his best days(It was a very close fight too, basically won on the KD). Edner Cherry is an ESPN-levelŠ fighter at best. Holt has Power and was able to get to Bradley, I've never been big on the guy(his fights with Torres were good tho) but he's a B- fighter in my book. The Nate Campbell fight I gave him credit for but Nate looked so bad after that(went 0-3) leads me to believe he was shot. Lamont Peterson he deserves credit for and I can't knock him for that fight. He didn't impress me with the Abregu fight, couldn't finish a guy who was walking in with no defense, and all of his punches were way too wide. The Alexander fight is nothing to brag about, both guys looked like shit. Alexander did not look comfortable or ready for this fight, he was/maybe still isn't managed the right way(he still needs growth fights, he's only 24). Bradley did win but didn't prove to me with this sloppy-ass fight that he's elite.

Morales- Timmy has way too much at this point, Bradley UD

Maidana- I think he gives Timmy all he can handle, he's much better version than Abregu who Bradley couldn't get rid of. This is a rough and tough fight that I can't really pick a winner in. I can see it both ways and this fight should happen.

Matthysse- Another tough fight but Bradley has enough to beat him

Khan- I think Bradley knew going into the fight he'd lose and because of that decided to hedge his bet and pass over a good payday(way more than he's worth imo for the stinkers he's laid) for the possibility to cash in on a fight that he could retire off of and maybe gain him some exposure. I can't say what he did was wrong because it would seem to make $en$e. he's wasting his prime on the shelf tho. I think Khan's height and length is too much for Bradley who isn't fast enough or powerful enough to warrant Khans respect. Khan throws fast combos with a measured jab and unless you can eat on the way in and deliver when you get there(Maidana), it's going to be hard to beat him.

Ortiz- I think Ortiz has underrated boxing ability and is a big dude(164 fight night) with some power and a lil speed. I don't think Timmy threatens him in any way besides using his head which could cause Ortiz to have a mental lapse and do something dumb or quit. I see Ortiz being able to Handle what Timmy dishes out, Ortiz by stoppage against the ropes.

Berto- This is a very good fight, they both can offset the others game. Berto wants to rest, Bradley has a great motor. I think the speed of Berto coupled with the power and wide shots of Bradley could spell TROUBLE. I think Timmy is a little too small for Berto and we see a Berto win but Bradley out-motoring Berto is not out of the question. Berto KO or Bradley UD

Floyd- Not worth my time haha

Pac- Walks thru him in a Hatton like KO, Bradley's punches are so wide




Cshel86
I just dont see Bradley making this crazy payday off of a Floyd or Manny fight, I just dont. Thats where he lost me, when he talked about his contract issues. Ortiz (who is known in the boxing world and by casual fans at this point) only made $2.5M in his fight with Floyd, and Marquez (who is known, with a big fan base) is only going to make $5M against Pacquiao in a rubber match, after two hellacious fights years ago. Im wondering if Bradley is doing the math and realizing that he isn't gonna make anything against these guys...especially with no fan base and being under contract.
EAlbian
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Sep 22 2011, 12:31 PM) *
I just dont see Bradley making this crazy payday off of a Floyd or Manny fight, I just dont. Thats where he lost me, when he talked about his contract issues. Ortiz (who is known in the boxing world and by casual fans at this point) only made $2.5M in his fight with Floyd, and Marquez (who is known, with a big fan base) is only going to make $5M against Pacquiao in a rubber match, after two hellacious fights years ago. Im wondering if Bradley is doing the math and realizing that he isn't gonna make anything against these guys...especially with no fan base and being under contract.


Mayweather got Ortiz for very cheap but his guarantee was 2.5mill im sure he see's some live gate revenue and PPV money as well. He may make like 4-5mill but I could be wrong. I think Bradley knew that if he fights Pac he's gonna get more than he woulda for Khan and the loss wouldn't be as detrimental to his career, it might actually boost it from exposure. He could in theory make 2-4mill fighting Pac and a couple 1mill paydays down the road from the exposure. He may never get the opportunity tho. It's a crap shoot tho and it looks like he was trying to mitigate his losses
Cshel86
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Sep 22 2011, 01:45 PM) *
Mayweather got Ortiz for very cheap but his guarantee was 2.5mill im sure he see's some live gate revenue and PPV money as well. He may make like 4-5mill but I could be wrong. I think Bradley knew that if he fights Pac he's gonna get more than he woulda for Khan and the loss wouldn't be as detrimental to his career, it might actually boost it from exposure. He could in theory make 2-4mill fighting Pac and a couple 1mill paydays down the road from the exposure. He may never get the opportunity tho. It's a crap shoot tho and it looks like he was trying to mitigate his losses

Yeah I dont really see him getting that chance either. It sucks, but thats how the business works...everybody's not meant for the big stage. I say he beats the hell outta some of these guys, and make a bigger name for himself. That Khan fight would've got him over the hump, but that contract issue was in the way.
Fitz
I don't like Tim Bradley, though I respect him as a fighter and looks like he has a strong work ethic in the ring, decent fighter. His problem is that he has over valued himself, he thinks he is worth more than he is, and that's wrong considering that he is as interesting as cardboard. He has no appeal, no charisma, doesn't really have an interesting personality and least of all, he isn't a very exciting fighter. He just seems bland.

I also still maintain that if roles were reversed and it was Khan that turned down Bradley to sit on the sidelines and wait for a mega pay day, he would be crucified twice as hard as Bradley. Bradley doesn't do much for me, and to be honest, he seems like a bit of a whiny bitch.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 22 2011, 07:31 PM) *
I don't like Tim Bradley, though I respect him as a fighter and looks like he has a strong work ethic in the ring, decent fighter. His problem is that he has over valued himself, he thinks he is worth more than he is, and that's wrong considering that he is as interesting as cardboard. He has no appeal, no charisma, doesn't really have an interesting personality and least of all, he isn't a very exciting fighter. He just seems bland.

I also still maintain that if roles were reversed and it was Khan that turned down Bradley to sit on the sidelines and wait for a mega pay day, he would be crucified twice as hard as Bradley. Bradley doesn't do much for me, and to be honest, he seems like a bit of a whiny bitch.

Guess we can blame that one on Floyd, lol. He was undefeated and marketed himself as such and demanded more money...nothing wrong with that, but when you cant sell a seat to save your life (i.e. Bradley)...then you have it all wrong.
gravytrain
QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 22 2011, 07:31 PM) *
I don't like Tim Bradley, though I respect him as a fighter and looks like he has a strong work ethic in the ring, decent fighter. His problem is that he has over valued himself, he thinks he is worth more than he is, and that's wrong considering that he is as interesting as cardboard. He has no appeal, no charisma, doesn't really have an interesting personality and least of all, he isn't a very exciting fighter. He just seems bland.

I also still maintain that if roles were reversed and it was Khan that turned down Bradley to sit on the sidelines and wait for a mega pay day, he would be crucified twice as hard as Bradley. Bradley doesn't do much for me, and to be honest, he seems like a bit of a whiny bitch.


Khan only started running his mouth about Bradley after Bradley was trying to switch to a different promoter. that ass still belongs to Bradley.
checkleft
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Sep 22 2011, 11:46 AM) *
Lights I normally agree with you but today is not the day haha. Bradley beat up on an aging class that wasn't all that deep at the time. Witter was a legit guy but was a B fighter in his best days(It was a very close fight too, basically won on the KD). Edner Cherry is an ESPN-levelŠ fighter at best. Holt has Power and was able to get to Bradley, I've never been big on the guy(his fights with Torres were good tho) but he's a B- fighter in my book. The Nate Campbell fight I gave him credit for but Nate looked so bad after that(went 0-3) leads me to believe he was shot. Lamont Peterson he deserves credit for and I can't knock him for that fight. He didn't impress me with the Abregu fight, couldn't finish a guy who was walking in with no defense, and all of his punches were way too wide. The Alexander fight is nothing to brag about, both guys looked like shit. Alexander did not look comfortable or ready for this fight, he was/maybe still isn't managed the right way(he still needs growth fights, he's only 24). Bradley did win but didn't prove to me with this sloppy-ass fight that he's elite.

Morales- Timmy has way too much at this point, Bradley UD

Maidana- I think he gives Timmy all he can handle, he's much better version than Abregu who Bradley couldn't get rid of. This is a rough and tough fight that I can't really pick a winner in. I can see it both ways and this fight should happen.

Matthysse- Another tough fight but Bradley has enough to beat him

Khan- I think Bradley knew going into the fight he'd lose and because of that decided to hedge his bet and pass over a good payday(way more than he's worth imo for the stinkers he's laid) for the possibility to cash in on a fight that he could retire off of and maybe gain him some exposure. I can't say what he did was wrong because it would seem to make $en$e. he's wasting his prime on the shelf tho. I think Khan's height and length is too much for Bradley who isn't fast enough or powerful enough to warrant Khans respect. Khan throws fast combos with a measured jab and unless you can eat on the way in and deliver when you get there(Maidana), it's going to be hard to beat him.

Ortiz- I think Ortiz has underrated boxing ability and is a big dude(164 fight night) with some power and a lil speed. I don't think Timmy threatens him in any way besides using his head which could cause Ortiz to have a mental lapse and do something dumb or quit. I see Ortiz being able to Handle what Timmy dishes out, Ortiz by stoppage against the ropes.

Berto- This is a very good fight, they both can offset the others game. Berto wants to rest, Bradley has a great motor. I think the speed of Berto coupled with the power and wide shots of Bradley could spell TROUBLE. I think Timmy is a little too small for Berto and we see a Berto win but Bradley out-motoring Berto is not out of the question. Berto KO or Bradley UD

Floyd- Not worth my time haha

Pac- Walks thru him in a Hatton like KO, Bradley's punches are so wide


Perfectly said.
Lil-lightsout
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Sep 22 2011, 11:30 AM) *
Thanks to you Lightsout, Im actually waiting for this guy to fight again, lol. I can see him giving El Terrible a hard time at this stage of his career, and I see him getting past Matthysse, hands down. Matthysse doesn't put in enough work at the start of the bell, then finally decides to dial in during the middle rounds, so yeah, Bradley gives it 'em. I still have my doubts about him passing The Test (Maidana) and also beating Khan, those are just my thoughts. Maidana, I feel, will overwhelm Tim because I dont see his punches making a big difference. As far as Khan goes; height, handspeed, movement, may frustrate Bradley down the stretch.

As far as the Welterweights go, I just dont see it happening...maybe because I haven't seen him in the harder bouts at 140. In my opinion, if he slugs it out and defeats Maidana and goes a full 12 with Khan, then I will definitely give him a chance at WW. Though I really didn't like him early this year, I would've gave him his just due, had he beat Alexander convincingly (maybe because nothing much happened during the fight and it also ended badly).

Like I said earlier, if Amir Khan can grow on me, then almost anybody can grow on me, including Bradley, excluding Malignaggi (hate that guy). You are the only hardcore Bradley fan I know (and you actually know the sport well), so I will watch his fights again, and shoot for a better analysis (I guess).


Yeah I am one of the few Bradley fans. To me he keeps improving in his fights and I get sick of people acting as if all he does is head butt and mauls people. He is very skilled and shows good defense and great boxing skills. People love going off fighters last fight, while forgetting others. Sure Bradley looked so so against Devon. But look at how Alexander ran and did not come to fight. Regardless we will just have to wait and see how good Bradley is or is not? Keep up the good work man, you are are good poster.


QUOTE (EAlbian @ Sep 22 2011, 12:46 PM) *
Lights I normally agree with you but today is not the day haha. Bradley beat up on an aging class that wasn't all that deep at the time. Witter was a legit guy but was a B fighter in his best days(It was a very close fight too, basically won on the KD). Edner Cherry is an ESPN-levelŠ fighter at best. Holt has Power and was able to get to Bradley, I've never been big on the guy(his fights with Torres were good tho) but he's a B- fighter in my book. The Nate Campbell fight I gave him credit for but Nate looked so bad after that(went 0-3) leads me to believe he was shot. Lamont Peterson he deserves credit for and I can't knock him for that fight. He didn't impress me with the Abregu fight, couldn't finish a guy who was walking in with no defense, and all of his punches were way too wide. The Alexander fight is nothing to brag about, both guys looked like shit. Alexander did not look comfortable or ready for this fight, he was/maybe still isn't managed the right way(he still needs growth fights, he's only 24). Bradley did win but didn't prove to me with this sloppy-ass fight that he's elite.

Morales- Timmy has way too much at this point, Bradley UD

Maidana- I think he gives Timmy all he can handle, he's much better version than Abregu who Bradley couldn't get rid of. This is a rough and tough fight that I can't really pick a winner in. I can see it both ways and this fight should happen.

Matthysse- Another tough fight but Bradley has enough to beat him

Khan- I think Bradley knew going into the fight he'd lose and because of that decided to hedge his bet and pass over a good payday(way more than he's worth imo for the stinkers he's laid) for the possibility to cash in on a fight that he could retire off of and maybe gain him some exposure. I can't say what he did was wrong because it would seem to make $en$e. he's wasting his prime on the shelf tho. I think Khan's height and length is too much for Bradley who isn't fast enough or powerful enough to warrant Khans respect. Khan throws fast combos with a measured jab and unless you can eat on the way in and deliver when you get there(Maidana), it's going to be hard to beat him.

Ortiz- I think Ortiz has underrated boxing ability and is a big dude(164 fight night) with some power and a lil speed. I don't think Timmy threatens him in any way besides using his head which could cause Ortiz to have a mental lapse and do something dumb or quit. I see Ortiz being able to Handle what Timmy dishes out, Ortiz by stoppage against the ropes.

Berto- This is a very good fight, they both can offset the others game. Berto wants to rest, Bradley has a great motor. I think the speed of Berto coupled with the power and wide shots of Bradley could spell TROUBLE. I think Timmy is a little too small for Berto and we see a Berto win but Bradley out-motoring Berto is not out of the question. Berto KO or Bradley UD

Floyd- Not worth my time haha

Pac- Walks thru him in a Hatton like KO, Bradley's punches are so wide


It's all good. We all see things differently. Time will tell, and you can apologize later. Haha. Another win for PA wrestling. laugh.gif


QUOTE (Fitz @ Sep 22 2011, 07:31 PM) *
I don't like Tim Bradley, though I respect him as a fighter and looks like he has a strong work ethic in the ring, decent fighter. His problem is that he has over valued himself, he thinks he is worth more than he is, and that's wrong considering that he is as interesting as cardboard. He has no appeal, no charisma, doesn't really have an interesting personality and least of all, he isn't a very exciting fighter. He just seems bland.

I also still maintain that if roles were reversed and it was Khan that turned down Bradley to sit on the sidelines and wait for a mega pay day, he would be crucified twice as hard as Bradley. Bradley doesn't do much for me, and to be honest, he seems like a bit of a whiny bitch.


fuck.gif That is all.


QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 22 2011, 08:47 PM) *
Khan only started running his mouth about Bradley after Bradley was trying to switch to a different promoter. that ass still belongs to Bradley.


Now some common sense finds this thread! I can always count on Gravy. thumbsup_anim.gif
Big Slim Sweet
LOL. I do not like Tim Bradley at all. He's a nerd. But he's a tough little scrapper. No fighter alive will have an EASY time with him because if nothing else they're gonna end up with one or two vicious gashes on their face courtesy of the spring loaded bowling ball that nerd sports a top his neck. And he has a TON of self belief and determination and would never mentally fold in a fight. He'd be trying to find a way to win the whole time.

If Floyd and Manny don't fight next Bradley's as good an opponent as any for either one of them.

I really can't think of a fighter I wouldn't root for against Bradley. Except the obvious, PBF.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Sep 23 2011, 08:35 PM) *
Yeah I am one of the few Bradley fans. To me he keeps improving in his fights and I get sick of people acting as if all he does is head butt and mauls people. He is very skilled and shows good defense and great boxing skills. People love going off fighters last fight, while forgetting others. Sure Bradley looked so so against Devon. But look at how Alexander ran and did not come to fight. Regardless we will just have to wait and see how good Bradley is or is not? Keep up the good work man, you are are good poster.


'Preciate that! I am looking forward to him fighting again, so some of the speculation can end. I surely haven't counted him out of the 140 lb division as far as putting up a good fight, but I guess that we just need to see more of him.
Sicko
Bradley is still #1 at 140 IMO and I don't even think it is close, I think the rest are EXTREMELY OVERRATED!!!

but Bradley need to get back into the ring as soon as he can...Khan will get his though, let him keep running his mouth
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Sicko @ Sep 24 2011, 02:45 PM) *
Bradley is still #1 at 140 IMO and I don't even think it is close, I think the rest are EXTREMELY OVERRATED!!!

but Bradley need to get back into the ring as soon as he can...Khan will get his though, let him keep running his mouth



Bradley had the chance to fight Khan next and if he was sure of winning as he thinks he is, should've taken the payday beat Khan and at least improved his profile a bit in the process. He didn't end of story.
gravytrain
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Sep 23 2011, 08:35 PM) *
Yeah I am one of the few Bradley fans. To me he keeps improving in his fights and I get sick of people acting as if all he does is head butt and mauls people. He is very skilled and shows good defense and great boxing skills. People love going off fighters last fight, while forgetting others. Sure Bradley looked so so against Devon. But look at how Alexander ran and did not come to fight. Regardless we will just have to wait and see how good Bradley is or is not? Keep up the good work man, you are are good poster.




It's all good. We all see things differently. Time will tell, and you can apologize later. Haha. Another win for PA wrestling. laugh.gif




fuck.gif That is all.




Now some common sense finds this thread! I can always count on Gravy. thumbsup_anim.gif


i think a lot of people overlook it when it comes down to the fight. and GBP would have to know what's going on with him since either them or Top Rank was going to get him. i'm not going to say Khan ducked him but GBP took full advantage of it.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Sep 24 2011, 12:35 PM) *
Keep up the good work man, you are are good poster. Now some common sense finds this thread! I can always count on Gravy. thumbsup_anim.gif


Hey! what is this gay shit? Gravy is not interested in your homo-erotic platitudes!

What are you trying to do? Join the Money Team or something? laugh.gif laugh.gif
gravytrain
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Sep 23 2011, 11:31 PM) *
Hey! what is this gay shit? Gravy is not interested in your homo-erotic platitudes!

What are you trying to do? Join the Money Team or something? laugh.gif laugh.gif


you heard him!
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 24 2011, 03:36 PM) *
you heard him!



"Sometimes when we touch the honesty's too much. I want to hold you until the fear in me subsides."
Sicko
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Sep 23 2011, 08:17 PM) *
Bradley had the chance to fight Khan next and if he was sure of winning as he thinks he is, should've taken the payday beat Khan and at least improved his profile a bit in the process. He didn't end of story.



BLAH BLAH BLAH!

not going to go over this BS again, you and I already know what is going on, Bradley is in the middle of a Lawsuit trying to get away from a HORRIBLE PROMOTER

but if it makes you feel too to THINK that Bradley didn't not take the fight because "HE IS AFRAID OF KHAN" then go ahead KEEP BELIEVING THAT taunt.gif
gravytrain
QUOTE (Sicko @ Sep 23 2011, 11:55 PM) *
BLAH BLAH BLAH!

not going to go over this BS again, you and I already know what is going on, Bradley is in the middle of a Lawsuit trying to get away from a HORRIBLE PROMOTER

but if it makes you feel too to THINK that Bradley didn't not take the fight because "HE IS AFRAID OF KHAN" then go ahead KEEP BELIEVING THAT taunt.gif


i don't know any details about the deal other than Bradley giving him a good split, if it came with a contract extension i couldn't see him taking it though. that and GBP and TR were already trying to get him and they could offer a lot more than Shaw. i wont say Khan ducked him but GBP took full advantage of the situation
Cshel86
Bradley still has a few fights to tak after his contract issues are up because he is behind on the curve as we speak. There's not as much money in the 140 lb division as there is in the Wleterweight division, so therefore the 140 lb fighters are fighting 2-3 times a year. There's no way he can come back and get a Mayweather or Pacquiao fight without putting in better work than the active fighters have. If he was an 8-figure fighter without contractual boundaries, then he could come back and ask for whoever he wants.

Bradley even stated that he if he were to fight Khan and lose, then it would mess up his chances against Pac or May...he directed stated that. Within the first 30 seconds of the video, he made this statement. Delusions of Bradley once again hit the airwaves (5/2011), but we all need to see what happens in his next fight.

Spyder
Timothy Bradley's status?

...still a pussy.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Spyder @ Sep 24 2011, 12:25 AM) *
Timothy Bradley's status?

...still a pussy.


Hahahahaha!!! Leave it to Spyder...
Lil-lightsout
QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Sep 23 2011, 11:31 PM) *
Hey! what is this gay shit? Gravy is not interested in your homo-erotic platitudes!

What are you trying to do? Join the Money Team or something? laugh.gif laugh.gif


Just trying to pass a compliment. Don't be mad just cause you are on the level of say a CrazyBuffalo or an Allenmenjoi type poster. laugh.gif
Mean Mister Mustard
Bradley is the #1 guy at 140, but a Mayweather or Pacquiao fight is not going to happen unless he beats Khan.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (Mean Mister Mustard @ Sep 25 2011, 01:19 PM) *
Bradley is the #1 guy at 140, but a Mayweather or Pacquiao fight is not going to happen unless he beats Khan.


At what point does an inactive fighter surrender his status tho? When do we say fuck Bradley, hes out till he fights? Just asking cos for me its already happened.
Mean Mister Mustard
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 25 2011, 09:23 AM) *
At what point does an inactive fighter surrender his status tho? When do we say fuck Bradley, hes out till he fights? Just asking cos for me its already happened.


That's a good question, seeing as how he hasn't fought since Jnuary, but I am not going to give Khan the #1 spot because he beat Zab Judah.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (Mean Mister Mustard @ Sep 25 2011, 01:44 PM) *
That's a good question, seeing as how he hasn't fought since Jnuary, but I am not going to give Khan the #1 spot because he beat Zab Judah.


Thats fair enough, although the Judah fight was about the belt. If he had fought Judah and Zab hadn't got his paws on a belt Khan would get slated for that. Bradley is closing in on a full calendar year of inactivity tho. I say unless he gets a fight signed very soon, hes going to hit that mark, and for someone who wants to be the best in his division, thats not a good look.
Cshel86
Tim Bradley has 3 possible opponents at 140 that are possibly available before/in the month of December:

Marcos Maidana (Erik Morales has to "let his cuts heal" so he doesn't plan on fighting until March)

Lucas Matthysse
(Im sure he isn't still sick and he's a credible opponent to make a statement with)

Robert Guerrero (Hopefully his shoulder is starting to heal, so he we will have time to train for a fight before the end of the year)

Any more?

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