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MadFresh
Hello all!

I'm very much into the styles and techniques of boxers from all around the world. Many boxers adopt very similar styles, although one remains unique (almost).

My question is this: Why don't more boxers, perhaps young boxers, use Mayweather's style and technique? I understand that it is very hard - not only to teach but to perform, however this should not discourage others from at least trying it?

He is undoubtedly one of the best boxers there has ever been, so why not try to imitate (at least to a degree)? I also understand that boxing is a very individual sport, and the fighter should always do what suits them. However, if you look at many other sports from golf to soccer to basketball, many athletes performing at the very elite level use similar styles.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

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wolterb
QUOTE (MadFresh @ Sep 22 2011, 12:12 PM) *
Hello all!

I'm very much into the styles and techniques of boxers from all around the world. Many boxers adopt very similar styles, although one remains unique (almost).

My question is this: Why don't more boxers, perhaps young boxers, use Mayweather's style and technique? I understand that it is very hard - not only to teach but to perform, however this should not discourage others from at least trying it?

He is undoubtedly one of the best boxers there has ever been, so why not try to imitate (at least to a degree)? I also understand that boxing is a very individual sport, and the fighter should always do what suits them. However, if you look at many other sports from golf to soccer to basketball, many athletes performing at the very elite level use similar styles.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

MF cool.gif


cause there are only so many that come outta grand rapids, mi lol im fuckin around
if up and comers try and imitate his style theyre gonna get fucked up or gonna look unnatural cause style is cultivated individually for each boxer based on their persona and physique.

as far as technique goes, there are plenty of boxers out there that are defense oriented (lot of em use the shell defense too) but not many prospects wanna be known for that cause that does not sell tickets or help move a career.

also just a warnin lot o the old timer posters gonna haze your ass cause yer 1st post is mayweather-oriented, and thats a trend that is startin to chap everyones ass lol
flazi
its an old school style. James toney uses a version of it. Jersey joe walcott used it and other old schoolers. Not too many ppl around to teach it.
HazConvictedFelonMane
QUOTE (MadFresh @ Sep 22 2011, 12:12 PM) *
Hello all!

I'm very much into the styles and techniques of boxers from all around the world. Many boxers adopt very similar styles, although one remains unique (almost).

My question is this: Why don't more boxers, perhaps young boxers, use Mayweather's style and technique? I understand that it is very hard - not only to teach but to perform, however this should not discourage others from at least trying it?

He is undoubtedly one of the best boxers there has ever been, so why not try to imitate (at least to a degree)? I also understand that boxing is a very individual sport, and the fighter should always do what suits them. However, if you look at many other sports from golf to soccer to basketball, many athletes performing at the very elite level use similar styles.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

MF cool.gif


I've seen it already. A couple of weeks back, Yuriorkis Gamboa was using the style against Danny Ponce De Leon. Sergio Martinez has his version of that style/technique. Slick southpaw with his hands down, good at slipping shots and countering with sneaky shots that are able to cause KO's becuase the opponent does not make eye contact with them. That is very dangerous when a fighter can hit you with a shot that you were oblivous to. I've noticed that european fighters have altered their default styles for the slick american style. B-Hop's summation of the slick black fighter is spot on, as you begin to see many fighters who are not black, nor american using that style. It is very effective and I must say it is something to watch.
HazConvictedFelonMane
QUOTE (MadFresh @ Sep 22 2011, 12:12 PM) *
Hello all!

I'm very much into the styles and techniques of boxers from all around the world. Many boxers adopt very similar styles, although one remains unique (almost).

My question is this: Why don't more boxers, perhaps young boxers, use Mayweather's style and technique? I understand that it is very hard - not only to teach but to perform, however this should not discourage others from at least trying it?

He is undoubtedly one of the best boxers there has ever been, so why not try to imitate (at least to a degree)? I also understand that boxing is a very individual sport, and the fighter should always do what suits them. However, if you look at many other sports from golf to soccer to basketball, many athletes performing at the very elite level use similar styles.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

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Hazing begins! fuck.gif
PColeman28
QUOTE (MadFresh @ Sep 22 2011, 09:12 AM) *
Hello all!

I'm very much into the styles and techniques of boxers from all around the world. Many boxers adopt very similar styles, although one remains unique (almost).

My question is this: Why don't more boxers, perhaps young boxers, use Mayweather's style and technique? I understand that it is very hard - not only to teach but to perform, however this should not discourage others from at least trying it?

He is undoubtedly one of the best boxers there has ever been, so why not try to imitate (at least to a degree)? I also understand that boxing is a very individual sport, and the fighter should always do what suits them. However, if you look at many other sports from golf to soccer to basketball, many athletes performing at the very elite level use similar styles.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

MF cool.gif



It's just not that simple what he does isnt easy to acomplish, his defense, his accuaracy that's what makes him who he is, and one could go out there and try and do his shoulder roll defense and all that and you'll look like him, but you won't be him, so every fighter has to find out who they are and fight like that, every great boxer had something about his style that another great didn't use, some of them do have similar qualities, but every fighter has something about them that is unique... even in football, no cornerback can ever ever ever simulate the things deion sanders did in pass coverage, it's just extremely difficult to do, modern NBA athletes aren't like michael jordan some have similar things even championship rings,but they don't play like jordan... shaq was on a different level for centers, wilt chamberlin was on a different level what 6'8 guy plays like magic johnson? these dudes were special and that's any great in any sport....as far as mayweather the only i think a fighter can take away from him and use is working on punch accuracy and timing (which ever trainer teaches to his boxer(s) anyways.)
Crafty
I was actually just wondering the same thing. If its such an excellent defense technique then why don't all boxers do it? I mean, even I can do it. It is a better way to defend than the traditional method.

On a side note, Mayweather's technique is great in the ring. But in a streetfight that method of fighting will get you beat 10 times out of 10.
PColeman28
QUOTE (Crafty @ Sep 22 2011, 11:58 AM) *
I was actually just wondering the same thing. If its such an excellent defense technique then why don't all boxers do it? I mean, even I can do it. It is a better way to defend than the traditional method.

On a side note, Mayweather's technique is great in the ring. But in a streetfight that method of fighting will get you beat 10 times out of 10.



It depends on who you are...if you look at the canelo gomez fight from saturday canelo was using the defense and kept getting hit flush on the chin...the guy obviously doesn't know what the hell he was doing, but in the next fight mayweather used it and barely got hit and when he did get hit no shots landed flush...it depends on who you are and if you know what your doing, you just can't watch hella mma and boxing and then go pick a fight with someone on the streets thinking you know what your doing because you've seen hella mma and boxing matches lol that's just silly...
Method
Why does nobody else box like Floyd?

I heard a rumor that Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins owned row homes behind each other. One night they bumped into each other in the alley behind their homes as they were dumping the trash and, as the legend goes, one thing leads to another, and Bernard hits Roy w a jailhouse right and bends him over, comes inside him, jailhouse style, and 9 months later Roy gives birth to PBF in a corn field (thx Prince). Now, PBF has a little more of his mother (Roy) in him than his father (Ex), so once them reflexes go he's fucked.
checkleft
It's a difficult style, and he's been doing it since he was a baby so its second nature to him.
PColeman28
QUOTE (Method @ Sep 22 2011, 12:30 PM) *
Why does nobody else box like Floyd?

I heard a rumor that Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins owned row homes behind each other. One night they bumped into each other in the alley behind their homes as they were dumping the trash and, as the legend goes, one thing leads to another, and Bernard hits Roy w a jailhouse right and bends him over, comes inside him, jailhouse style, and 9 months later Roy gives birth to PBF in a corn field (thx Prince). Now, PBF has a little more of his mother (Roy) in him than his father (Ex), so once them reflexes go he's fucked.




HAHAHAHAHAHA
checkleft
It's a difficult style, and he's been doing it since he was a baby so its second nature to him.
Crafty
Mayweather needs to fight a slick boxer like himself next.
checkleft
Who tho?
gravytrain
how could there be active pros out there emulating him? it'll probably be 10 years before you see what kind of impact he's had on kids in the amateur system.
pesticid
Floyd's style works for him great b/c he's got the best footwork in the game and his control of distance is on a ridiculous level, better than Vitaly's and Bhops. Once the legs go away and his reflexes diminish he will get hit a lot more, kinda like how James Toney's been getting hit for the past 5-8 years. We've seen DLH try to emulate it and lately it's been Canelo but it doesn't work. Floyd sticks his chin out, which is technically wrong, but not for him. When he goes into exchanges he's on top of the exchange seeing the shots coming in, and avoiding almost all of them. I don't even remember the last time he was cut around the eyes or headbutted like he got headbutted by Ortiz. By sticking his chin out behind the shoulder, the head is slightly tilted backwards and it's much harder to land clean shot or to headbut around the eyes, kind of a like a rope-adope without the rope. Now Canelo tries to tuck his chin behind the shoulder and expect not to get hit, yet he gets hit each and every time. He should instead try to emulate Bhop and roll away with the punch while his shoulder is up.
RayWeather
QUOTE (Method @ Sep 22 2011, 03:30 PM) *
Why does nobody else box like Floyd?

I heard a rumor that Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins owned row homes behind each other. One night they bumped into each other in the alley behind their homes as they were dumping the trash and, as the legend goes, one thing leads to another, and Bernard hits Roy w a jailhouse right and bends him over, comes inside him, jailhouse style, and 9 months later Roy gives birth to PBF in a corn field (thx Prince). Now, PBF has a little more of his mother (Roy) in him than his father (Ex), so once them reflexes go he's fucked.

Keep dreaming.
King Eugene
QUOTE (Method @ Sep 22 2011, 03:30 PM) *
Why does nobody else box like Floyd?

I heard a rumor that Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins owned row homes behind each other. One night they bumped into each other in the alley behind their homes as they were dumping the trash and, as the legend goes, one thing leads to another, and Bernard hits Roy w a jailhouse right and bends him over, comes inside him, jailhouse style, and 9 months later Roy gives birth to PBF in a corn field (thx Prince). Now, PBF has a little more of his mother (Roy) in him than his father (Ex), so once them reflexes go he's fucked.

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BoxingStill#1
QUOTE (MadFresh @ Sep 22 2011, 12:12 PM) *
Hello all!

I'm very much into the styles and techniques of boxers from all around the world. Many boxers adopt very similar styles, although one remains unique (almost).

My question is this: Why don't more boxers, perhaps young boxers, use Mayweather's style and technique? I understand that it is very hard - not only to teach but to perform, however this should not discourage others from at least trying it?


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Floyed Sr actually tries to mold his fighters in that "type" of fighter..

Truth be told though, it is a defensive minded technique that (typically) would allow the average person to be demolished. I am not suggesting Floyed is some god who can only take on this style, im just saying he developed INTO it.

As some others are saying his reflexes do play a major role. But his elusiveness is based on you falling for his traps. He stands in front of you, (recently flatfooted) .. yet he still can't be hit..

Meanwhile, your getting countered and forced to make mistakes by lunging forward falling for his traps.

Floyds style is not the cure all to solid defense..

I see guys all the time try to mimic his style in the gym all the time yet find themselves in harms way. Point is,..STICK TO THE BASICS AND LET YOUR PERSONAL STYLE DEVELOPE NATURALLY.

His style just simply.... works for HIM.

BoxingEinstein
My God I have never seen a boxer or fighter like Floyd. There are many that emulates different things from one another and I'm a huge fan of the boxing in the 80's and 60's. Never have I witnessed a man with such accurate punching and calculated movements, every move Mayweather makes it seems like he already had it planned out and already has another move after. He's so ahead of most of his opponents because he is a genius in that squared circle.

If he were to fight more often in a year his skills would be sharper and he would get more hate and not to mention I think he still has problems with his fragile hands. Mayweather is such a pleasure to watch he adapts to all styles in the ring and goes out on the best methods to neutralize his opponents best assets.

The best pure boxing match to be made right now would be either Martinez vs Mayweather or Ward vs Hopkins. The best pure action fight would be Pacman vs Berto or Pacman or Maidana vs Matthysse.

It is kind of frustrating to watch such a talent of Mayweathers caliber go to easy waste, he could have if he wanted to have had over 48 wins by now but he's in the cash checking business. I see no one a real challenge to Mayweather besides Martinez and Pacman other than them two everyone gets toyed with and schooled too easily.


btw Anyone noticed that Mayweather started out more aggressive earlier in this fight with Ortiz than in his last 10 fights?! I really think Mayweather has found a way to adapt his style to be able to come forward with "controlled aggression" and walking down offensive orientated opponents. He walked down an opponent who was a middle weight with KO power I wonder if he's like Hopkins getting better with age. Look for my upcoming posts on other fights like Sugar Ray Robinson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Tavoris Cloud and of course Marcos Maidana. I'm going to call it....."The Boxing Size Up Series" stay tuned
checkleft
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 22 2011, 04:14 PM) *
how could there be active pros out there emulating him? it'll probably be 10 years before you see what kind of impact he's had on kids in the amateur system.


Like Rogers kid, I remember seeing him emulating the Floyd Sr version of the shoulder roll philly shell on one of the 24/7s. He can't be more than 5 yrs old, good way to keep it in the family too
Snoop
QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ Sep 23 2011, 06:21 AM) *
My God I have never seen a boxer or fighter like Floyd. There are many that emulates different things from one another and I'm a huge fan of the boxing in the 80's and 60's. Never have I witnessed a man with such accurate punching and calculated movements, every move Mayweather makes it seems like he already had it planned out and already has another move after. He's so ahead of most of his opponents because he is a genius in that squared circle.

If he were to fight more often in a year his skills would be sharper and he would get more hate and not to mention I think he still has problems with his fragile hands. Mayweather is such a pleasure to watch he adapts to all styles in the ring and goes out on the best methods to neutralize his opponents best assets.

The best pure boxing match to be made right now would be either Martinez vs Mayweather or Ward vs Hopkins. The best pure action fight would be Pacman vs Berto or Pacman or Maidana vs Matthysse.

It is kind of frustrating to watch such a talent of Mayweathers caliber go to easy waste, he could have if he wanted to have had over 48 wins by now but he's in the cash checking business. I see no one a real challenge to Mayweather besides Martinez and Pacman other than them two everyone gets toyed with and schooled too easily.


btw Anyone noticed that Mayweather started out more aggressive earlier in this fight with Ortiz than in his last 10 fights?! I really think Mayweather has found a way to adapt his style to be able to come forward with "controlled aggression" and walking down offensive orientated opponents. He walked down an opponent who was a middle weight with KO power I wonder if he's like Hopkins getting better with age. Look for my upcoming posts on other fights like Sugar Ray Robinson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Tavoris Cloud and of course Marcos Maidana. I'm going to call it....."The Boxing Size Up Series" stay tuned

Nice post. Welcome to the board.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (wolterb @ Sep 23 2011, 02:19 AM) *
also just a warnin lot o the old timer posters gonna haze your ass cause yer 1st post is mayweather-oriented, and thats a trend that is startin to chap everyones ass lol



Not at all. It was a well constructed post with valid points & a nice topic for debate.

If he came in with "why no one fight like Floyd? Becoz he is da best eva & no man can be as good or do the things Money does" they yeah people would be on his arse 6 ways to Sunday.

I will give my thoughts later on this subject but a very intriguing topic.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE (Method @ Sep 23 2011, 05:30 AM) *
Why does nobody else box like Floyd?

I heard a rumor that Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins owned row homes behind each other. One night they bumped into each other in the alley behind their homes as they were dumping the trash and, as the legend goes, one thing leads to another, and Bernard hits Roy w a jailhouse right and bends him over, comes inside him, jailhouse style, and 9 months later Roy gives birth to PBF in a corn field (thx Prince). Now, PBF has a little more of his mother (Roy) in him than his father (Ex), so once them reflexes go he's fucked.



Method made my day with this. Do you reckon he left the snaggle scar on RJJ's shoulder after his hate bite?
Method
QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Sep 23 2011, 02:55 AM) *
Method made my day with this. Do you reckon he left the snaggle scar on RJJ's shoulder after his hate bite?

Dunno. I was all fucked up on meds and vino last night (battling a staph infection).

Passed out w headphones on and the laptop on my chest. I remember at the time I was typing this, I thought it was brilliant. This morning, not as much.
wolterb
QUOTE (gravytrain @ Sep 22 2011, 05:14 PM) *
how could there be active pros out there emulating him? it'll probably be 10 years before you see what kind of impact he's had on kids in the amateur system.


i totally agree. the amount of pro boxers we see lookin' (possibly actin) like mayweather depends on how he is remembered by fans down the line

andre ward has similar technique
tim bradley's decision decision to halt his career, wait for a payday, regardless of public opinion is an example of a mayweatheresque career decision lol
gravytrain
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 23 2011, 01:57 AM) *
Like Rogers kid, I remember seeing him emulating the Floyd Sr version of the shoulder roll philly shell on one of the 24/7s. He can't be more than 5 yrs old, good way to keep it in the family too


they need to keep it in the family, a lot of trainers want to train you for the amateur system and really just let you develop on your own. i think that's another reason we don't see many boxers anymore, a lot of trainers don't teach kids how to box. they teach them the stance, punches and some other things about boxing but they don't really teach them how to put it together.

QUOTE (wolterb @ Sep 23 2011, 11:53 AM) *
i totally agree. the amount of pro boxers we see lookin' (possibly actin) like mayweather depends on how he is remembered by fans down the line

andre ward has similar technique
tim bradley's decision decision to halt his career, wait for a payday, regardless of public opinion is an example of a mayweatheresque career decision lol


i think he's a fair shot. especially with how easy it's to see fights with youtube and different sites. he's already had an influence on pad work lol.
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