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Jhill47
What is the criteria to be considered a real boxing fan as opposed to being a Pactard or Flomo. It seems if u mention either one of these guys u automatically get labeled. I am a Floyd Mayweather but I consider myself a real boxing fan b/c Floyd isn't the only fighter i watch. He's my favorite right now but by no means does that mean once his done fighting all stop watching boxing. I don't consider myself a boxing historian b/c I have recently be come a die hard over the last 5 or 6 years but I was always a casual fan. Is a real boxing fan supposed to be able to recall facts from the past or just have a good understanding of boxing and follow the sport. I wanna know what u guys think. Intelligent responses please
Crafty
I agree, I'm asian and I almost don't want to bring up Pacquiao in a boxing conversation cause I'll immediately get labelled. I watched boxing long before Pacman had his coming out party against Barrera.
EAlbian
QUOTE (Jhill47 @ Sep 22 2011, 02:59 PM) *
What is the criteria to be considered a real boxing fan as opposed to being a Pactard or Flomo. It seems if u mention either one of these guys u automatically get labeled. I am a Floyd Mayweather but I consider myself a real boxing fan b/c Floyd isn't the only fighter i watch. He's my favorite right now but by no means does that mean once his done fighting all stop watching boxing. I don't consider myself a boxing historian b/c I have recently be come a die hard over the last 5 or 6 years but I was always a casual fan. Is a real boxing fan supposed to be able to recall facts from the past or just have a good understanding of boxing and follow the sport. I wanna know what u guys think. Intelligent responses please


well if all of your posts include Pac or May then it would appear that you are only a fan of those fighters. If you watch other fights and follow the sport outside of those two and have a general interest in the sport then i would consider you a boxing fan. There are levels of Pactards and Flomos, you can be a boxing fan and be a flomo or a pactard. I hate both of those words by the way, they are both fucking gay...
Jack 1000
There's different levels of distinction I think,

Those who name-call against Floyd or Manny may not be strong boxing fans OR they may be boxing fans who are just so obsessed with either fighter, that nothing said in a conversation, or on a message board is going to change their opinion. It's like in politics where a group of people go for one party or another and refuse to change, no matter what the party does. The name-callers who love one fighter over the other, are unlikely to change no matter what the boxers say or do.

But it's not just Manny and Floyd. Ali had supposed "haters and nuthuggers too." Tyson, even after the Holyfield II ear-biting incident had people who still supported him. True "nuthugging" distorts factual assessments of evidence and abilities. An obsessed fan of Mayweather or Pacquaio, can often be very, very objective and factual about other fighters as well. The same with haters of these boxers.

The most popular fighters P4P in boxing. The most popular athletes in all sports are going to have their lovers and haters who's views are so polarized one way or the other that you can't change their behavior.

Jack
EAlbian
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Sep 22 2011, 03:19 PM) *
There's different levels of distinction I think,

Those who name-call against Floyd or Manny may not be strong boxing fans OR they may be boxing fans who are just so obsessed with either fighter, that nothing said in a conversation, or on a message board is going to change their opinion. It's like in politics where a group of people go for one party or another and refuse to change, no matter what the party does. The name-callers who love one fighter over the other, are unlikely to change no matter what the boxers say or do.

But it's not just Manny and Floyd. Ali had supposed "haters and nuthuggers too." Tyson, even after the Holyfield II ear-biting incident had people who still supported him. True "nuthugging" distorts factual assessments of evidence and abilities. An obsessed fan of Mayweather or Pacquaio, can often be very, very objective and factual about other fighters as well. The same with haters of these boxers.

The most popular fighters P4P in boxing. The most popular athletes in all sports are going to have their lovers and haters who's views are so polarized one way or the other that you can't change their behavior.

Jack


Very eloquently put Jack
Hittman25
What do u call me if I like Marcos Maidana alot? Ill defend him anyday! he makes great fights?
blackbelt2003
Look, it's simple.

If you're prepared to call your fighter on some bullshit, then you're not a Flomo or Pactard.


Case in point. Shane Mosley used to be my favourite fighter. He reminded me of Ray Robinson, in style, and I wanted him to be the real ATG of his era.


Then he turned in two bullshit performances against Forrest (I was prepared to forgive the first one if he turned it around in the rematch, Robinson style).

After that, I couldn't understand how he was gifted a DLH rematch, when he didn't deserve it, and he even got the dodgy decision, which he didn't deserve.


NOW...if I'd been the Shane Mosley equivalent of a Flomo, I'd have swore blind he was butted in the first Forrest fight, deserved the verdict in the rematch, and kicked DLH's ass, even though deep down in my subconscious I didn't believe it. I DIDN'T, BECAUSE I'M NOT A SHANE FAN, I'M A BOXING FAN. I'll call bullshit on my favourite fighters if I think it's bullshit they're mixing up.


Now all of the guys who say "I'm a boxing fan first, Floyd/Pac fan second" just don't have the powers to be neutral. They will swear blind that everything Floyd and Pac do is justified. If you have excused Floyd for every bullshit career decision he's made, then, YES, you are a Flomo. If you blindly defend Pacquiao taking on Floyd's leftovers, then YES, you are Pactard.



Simples.




Black
Jack 1000
QUOTE (blackbelt2003 @ Sep 22 2011, 04:03 PM) *
Look, it's simple.

If you're prepared to call your fighter on some bullshit, then you're not a Flomo or Pactard.


Case in point. Shane Mosley used to be my favorite fighter. He reminded me of Ray Robinson, in style, and I wanted him to be the real ATG of his era.


Then he turned in two bullshit performances against Forrest (I was prepared to forgive the first one if he turned it around in the rematch, Robinson style).

After that, I couldn't understand how he was gifted a DLH rematch, when he didn't deserve it, and he even got the dodgy decision, which he didn't deserve.


NOW...if I'd been the Shane Mosley equivalent of a Flomo, I'd have swore blind he was butted in the first Forrest fight, deserved the verdict in the rematch, and kicked DLH's ass, even though deep down in my subconscious I didn't believe it. I DIDN'T, BECAUSE I'M NOT A SHANE FAN, I'M A BOXING FAN. I'll call bullshit on my favorite fighters if I think it's bullshit they're mixing up.


Now all of the guys who say "I'm a boxing fan first, Floyd/Pac fan second" just don't have the powers to be neutral. They will swear blind that everything Floyd and Pac do is justified. If you have excused Floyd for every bullshit career decision he's made, then, YES, you are a Flomo. If you blindly defend Pacquiao taking on Floyd's leftovers, then YES, you are Pactard.



Simples.




Black



Great post Black!

Black just added more good points to what I said above. If you are totally obsessed with any fighter, it is very hard, if not impossible to be objective with what they say or do.

Another distinction is that fight historians, who are sadly fading away due to age or death, they often seemed to be a little more objective and professional in their writing than some people in a message board conversation. However, that's a moot issues as well, because there was no Internet technology during boxing's heyday years, that I often refer to as the 50's to the 80's. So we don't know how the best boxing writers and historians would have used Internet technology to express views of the fighters.

The information today and responses is so much faster and reaches millions of people much quicker. I think negative opinions and name-calling against fighters is more prevalent today than in the past. Old school traditionalists probably wrote with more intellect and sophistication than today's writers. Today's boxing writers can't hold a candle to past generations. However, that's nobody's fault. It's just changing and reacting to changing worlds, and changing times.

Jack
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
Look as long as you are a boxing fan first and a Floyd Mayweather fan second you should be OK.
Cshel86
Jack and Black are absolutely right! I like both fighters, but they are both good for bullshitting from time to time. There are some people who are absolutely obsessed no matter what, and it's sickening.

Hey, I have an idea Jack...whenever a new user registers, they should be subjected to a mandatory 1-week "Pacquiao/Mayweather" thread, before they even get to view the real board. That way, we can find out if they are Flomos or Pactards before they permeate into the real board with their disease. All vets should be allowed access to that trial thread, so they can blaze 'em all up and run 'em away from the site...or at least make them reconsider their argument before entering the board! laugh.gif

I came up with this Saturday night when I checked my Facebook and noticed how many people were WAAAY behind on the whole issue, and some of them were ready to go tooth-to-nail to prove their point laugh.gif
Jack 1000
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Sep 22 2011, 05:36 PM) *
Jack and Black are absolutely right! I like both fighters, but they are both good for bullshitting from time to time. There are some people who are absolutely obsessed no matter what, and it's sickening.

Hey, I have an idea Jack...whenever a new user registers, they should be subjected to a mandatory 1-week "Pacquiao/Mayweather" thread, before they even get to view the real board. That way, we can find out if they are Flomos or Pactards before they permeate into the real board with their disease. All vets should be allowed access to that trial thread, so they can blaze 'em all up and run 'em away from the site...or at least make them reconsider their argument before entering the board! laugh.gif

I came up with this Saturday night when I checked my Facebook and noticed how many people were WAAAY behind on the whole issue, and some of them were ready to go tooth-to-nail to prove their point laugh.gif


LOL!!!

A while back, Ben and I were toying around the idea of having something like a 20 post count minimum before you could make new topics. I was thinking this would help reduce spam, reduce nonsense posts, and help new members get a feel for the board and what the community is like. I can't remember if it was something that Ben couldn't get to work in testing, or just forgot about doing it.

I have seen some other communities doing this with good results. Many forum communities, not just boxing, and it seems to help. New posters on these systems could only reply to threads until they had something like 15-20 reasonable quality posts. (In other words, just building up your post replays with spam or nonsense posts didn't count.) I think it would encourage more positive community interaction. Even though I think the boards are doing very well now!

Jack
HazConvictedFelonMane
I love boxing period. My uncle is a judge, my cousin Mack Babb was a pro heavyweight contender, his son is about to go pro, and I was raised around boxing. I watched Tyson-Douglas with my grandmother (who is a super boxing fan). We had a heavy bag chained to the steampipe in the basement and I learned the basic principles of boxing at a very young age. I was taught about the benefit of turning my hands over, taught to stay on the balls of my feet, and the importance of a fast jab. Boxing's in my blood. Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are not the end-all be-all of the sport. I'm actually pretty excited about Nonito Donaire coming to the Theatre at MSG, and God willing, I'll be there in the 100 section with a 200 dollar ticket. I can't say I WILL be there because things happen over the course of 24 hours.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (HazConvictedFelonMane @ Sep 23 2011, 02:02 AM) *
I love boxing period. My uncle is a judge, my cousin Mack Babb was a pro heavyweight contender, his son is about to go pro, and I was raised around boxing. I watched Tyson-Douglas with my grandmother (who is a super boxing fan). We had a heavy bag chained to the steampipe in the basement and I learned the basic principles of boxing at a very young age. I was taught about the benefit of turning my hands over, taught to stay on the balls of my feet, and the importance of a fast jab. Boxing's in my blood. Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are not the end-all be-all of the sport. I'm actually pretty excited about Nonito Donaire coming to the Theatre at MSG, and God willing, I'll be there in the 100 section with a 200 dollar ticket. I can't say I WILL be there because things happen over the course of 24 hours.


You made that mistake before eh
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 23 2011, 02:09 PM) *
You made that mistake before eh


laugh.gif
Cshel86
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Sep 22 2011, 09:14 PM) *
LOL!!!

A while back, Ben and I were toying around the idea of having something like a 20 post count minimum before you could make new topics. I was thinking this would help reduce spam, reduce nonsense posts, and help new members get a feel for the board and what the community is like. I can't remember if it was something that Ben couldn't get to work in testing, or just forgot about doing it.

I have seen some other communities doing this with good results. Many forum communities, not just boxing, and it seems to help. New posters on these systems could only reply to threads until they had something like 15-20 reasonable quality posts. (In other words, just building up your post replays with spam or nonsense posts didn't count.) I think it would encourage more positive community interaction. Even though I think the boards are doing very well now!

Jack


Lol, hope you all can get that in the works real soon. There should be at least a 150 quality post count before creating threads...nothin' like a Flomo or Pactard thread by somebody with 5 posts, lol. It's almost like they walk in the lion's den with meat pants on, smh.

QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 22 2011, 10:09 PM) *
You made that mistake before eh


Hahahaha!!!
BoxingEinstein
I honestly think Pactards and Flomos or Mosley's or Hopkinsers' should all be banned from this site. I've been reading things on this site for a very long time now and I decided to finally get a account. Most of your personal boxer fans are part of the reason why the sport of boxing has gone into a WWE-like entertainment industry.

Nowadays more people focus on one boxer which in turns compromises their knowledge of the sport of boxing. It also limits intelligent and open minded but also non-bias debates in which people from all walks of life can distributed their ideas and knowledge based opinions. Most Pactards I've encountered are crazy about Pacman, up to the point where they'll insult people if a person disagrees with their opinion of Pac or make a statement on challenging Pacman's opposition as of late.

Same thing with Flomo's who claim Mayweather is the greatest thing since slice bread which is not true. I don't think there is a such thing as the greatets fighter or boxer. Every boxer or fighter who are genuinely great have different and unique skills or assets which makes them great in their own right, but the rest is debatable. Mayweather's brittle hands and per fight income is largely due to why he doesn't fight more than once a year like he did in his early 20's. I do believe if he fought more it would put more spotlight on the sport since he is the public enemy in the sport of boxing.

I think fans of any personal boxers should refrain from an argument as it will only be bias and unfiltered. I always enjoy chatting with other intelligent boxing fans whether you prefer brawlers or technicians.

HazConvictedFelonMane
QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 22 2011, 10:09 PM) *
You made that mistake before eh


You talking that sucka shit but if I'd have been there, guess what? You wouldn't have. Besides that, if you were there, you wouldn't have said shit to me, much less want to shoot the 5 puto.
lloyd mayflower
QUOTE (HazConvictedFelonMane @ Sep 23 2011, 12:19 PM) *
You talking that sucka shit but if I'd have been there, guess what? You wouldn't have. Besides that, if you were there, you wouldn't have said shit to me, much less want to shoot the 5 puto.


But Haz, you weren't there. Thats what I cant understand. You are enough of a fool to type on an internet forum of all places, that you will bare knuckle box anyone from this site, then you don't turn up. And now you're talking about what WOULD have went down if you had been there????

Hold on a minute......... I see whats going on here.



Floyd........that you?
Cshel86
Be careful Lloyd, I heard those internet warriors dont play...
CrazyBuffalO
As I pointed out before in another thread, there shouldn’t be prejudice like “Oh you are less of a boxing fan than I am because you follow only one fighter, while I follow the ENTIRE boxing universe” or stuffs like that.

Once you start getting into stuffs like “Oh I’m more of this than you” and “Oh you are less of this than me” then you know it’s unhealthy. You are setting barriers. You are setting standards of your own.

It’s like the same thing with racial discrimination where racist would go “Oh you are less of a human being than I am because you’re this and that.” And “I am more of a human being than you are coz of this and that”. Which is why racial discrimination is becoming more and more unpopular in today’s society. I’m not saying that it used to be popular, but it used to be much more tolerated in society. But nowadays people don’t want it anymore (especially people today are becoming more and more educated).

You have to understand that some things in this world are “engineered” while others are “reverse-engineered.” There are always two sides to a coin. There are boxing fans that got to know Floyd and Manny through following boxing first, while there are those that started following Floyd or Manny first which later led to them watching boxing.
I’ll give you an example of the latter. Here in the Philippines, before there were big names like Pacquiao, Villoria, or Donaire people didn’t really care much about boxing. But when Pacquiao and the likes became famous, people here were like “Oh there’s this Filipino boxing star lets go watch him fight!” so everyone got interested. And this led to them watching boxing very often. And some became so enthusiastic that they even started going to the boxing gyms to train in hope of becoming like their Filipino idols. So you know there are cases like these. And in a way it’s good because it got more people aware of boxing. Those that don’t used to follow the sport are now following it all because of their love for their favorite fighter/s.

As I’ve said, some are engineered, others reverse-engineered. But whether you’re engineered or reverse-engineered, you always end up talking about the same thing -- which is either about boxing or your favorite boxing star.
And everyone is a boxing fan in his own right. So stop all the “Oh I’m MORE of a boxing fan than you and you are LESS of a boxing fan than I am because of this that whatever… blah blah blah”. That type of mentality isn’t open, healthy. I therefore stand forth and raise the question: under who’s authority is the claim that someone is less of a boxing fan simply because he’s just a Floyd or Manny fan??
Cshel86
QUOTE (CrazyBuffalO @ Sep 23 2011, 12:37 PM) *
As I pointed out before in another thread, there shouldn’t be prejudice like “Oh you are less of a boxing fan than I am because you follow only one fighter, while I follow the ENTIRE boxing universe” or stuffs like that.

Once you start getting into stuffs like “Oh I’m more of this than you” and “Oh you are less of this than me” then you know it’s unhealthy. You are setting barriers. You are setting standards of your own.

It’s like the same thing with racial discrimination where racist would go “Oh you are less of a human being than I am because you’re this and that.” And “I am more of a human being than you are coz of this and that”. Which is why racial discrimination is becoming more and more unpopular in today’s society. I’m not saying that it used to be popular, but it used to be much more tolerated in society. But nowadays people don’t want it anymore (especially people today are becoming more and more educated).

You have to understand that some things in this world are “engineered” while others are “reverse-engineered.” There are always two sides to a coin. There are boxing fans that got to know Floyd and Manny through following boxing first, while there are those that started following Floyd or Manny first which later led to them watching boxing.
I’ll give you an example of the latter. Here in the Philippines, before there were big names like Pacquiao, Villoria, or Donaire people didn’t really care much about boxing. But when Pacquiao and the likes became famous, people here were like “Oh there’s this Filipino boxing star lets go watch him fight!” so everyone got interested. And this led to them watching boxing very often. And some became so enthusiastic that they even started going to the boxing gyms to train in hope of becoming like their Filipino idols. So you know there are cases like these. And in a way it’s good because it got more people aware of boxing. Those that don’t used to follow the sport are now following it all because of their love for their favorite fighter/s.

As I’ve said, some are engineered, others reverse-engineered. But whether you’re engineered or reverse-engineered, you always end up talking about the same thing -- which is either about boxing or your favorite boxing star.
And everyone is a boxing fan in his own right. So stop all the “Oh I’m MORE of a boxing fan than you and you are LESS of a boxing fan than I am because of this that whatever… blah blah blah”. That type of mentality isn’t open, healthy. I therefore stand forth and raise the question: under who’s authority is the claim that someone is less of a boxing fan simply because he’s just a Floyd or Manny fan??

I see that you haven't missed a beat when it comes to being an ill-informed douchebag, to say the least. Like I said in the few threads that you failed to effectively contribute to, ANYTIME there's a thread regarding Pacquiao or Mayweather (Mayweather most of all), you are there in full effect with your wave of "douchebagness", but I have yet to see you contribute to any other threads about another fighter. Judging by your post history that completely lacks contributions about other fighters, you are none other than a Floyd fan (or a Flomo), and you've made it extremely obvious at this point. So no, you're not a boxing fan, you're just what everybody can't stomach, either a Flomo or Pactard.

Im wondering why you are always so delighted in walking into the lion's den with meat-pants on, as you have done in this thread. The day that I see you contribute useful information about other fighters, then I will painfully muster up some kind of way to tell you that your posts are useful. And PLEASE, and I beg you, PLEASE, stop using those stupid analogies about wars, drug cartels, animals, or whatever your blindly choose to exhibit as meaningful; to compare to boxing. My goodness, it's obvious that you have internet access...please watch some fights and come back with some substantial material. Some days I feel that users treat you unfairly, but then I look at your posts and immediately change my mind. Are you this stupid everyday?
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