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Allmenjoi8
I have never watched an MMA match, I know about UFC and some of the stars of the sport. It seems that some of these stars in UFC have not been with the sport long but yet they are overnight super stars. In UFC it seems if you win 10 to 20 fights you are in the upper echelons of the sport. I do not know the average purse an MMA super star makes (someone can enlighten me on that). It seems that it is easier to be a super star in MMA than boxing.
Boxing may take a lifetime to break into that super stardom (sergio Martinez and Manny Pacquiao). Some boxers may not even get to be on television. Even if you are a good boxer does not automatically equate to megastardom or even a fan following (Tim Bradley and Berto). My question is why does it seem MMA (UFC) fighters have a higher chance of making it in their sport than boxers? Is it because boxing has too many weight divisions or there are too many boxers?
I think you need to have a bit more skill and natural talent to be a boxer, my opinion. What are yawl thoughts?
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Oct 9 2011, 08:18 PM) *
I have never watched an MMA match, I know about UFC and some of the stars of the sport. It seems that some of these stars in UFC have not been with the sport long but yet they are overnight super stars. In UFC it seems if you win 10 to 20 fights you are in the upper echelons of the sport. I do not know the average purse an MMA super star makes (someone can enlighten me on that). It seems that it is easier to be a super star in MMA than boxing.
Boxing may take a lifetime to break into that super stardom (sergio Martinez and Manny Pacquiao). Some boxers may not even get to be on television. Even if you are a good boxer does not automatically equate to megastardom or even a fan following (Tim Bradley and Berto). My question is why does it seem MMA (UFC) fighters have a higher chance of making it in their sport than boxers? Is it because boxing has too many weight divisions or there are too many boxers?
I think you need to have a bit more skill and natural talent to be a boxer, my opinion. What are yawl thoughts?


I've watched quite a few MMA promotions and proudly admit I'm a fan of the sport. That being said, I'm a boxing dude through and through. Comparing MMA to boxing is futile, as their main connection is it's a combat sport. The avg. purse for MMA, like boxing, differs. I can tell you this, aside from their superstars, the pay for MMA fighters isn't good. I think most of the superstars make their money from endorsements as well. I mean, George St. Pierre is worth about $14M and Anderson Silva about $6M. While that's nothing compared to Floyd, Manny, the Klitschkos, etc., but those #s can't be ignored. Furthermore, I will say, I like Dana White's incentive-based bonus (fight of the night, KO of the night, submission of the night, etc.) platform is something that would work well in boxing. Imagine, if boxers would make an extra $10K-$50K for KO of the night or fight of the night?

As far as which is more skilled, again, that's apples vs. oranges. I think boxing is a more fluid sport, but MMA (particularly, BJJ) is technical as well. My biggest disappointment w/ MMA is when you get a bunch of grappling w/ NO action. It looks more like a soft gay porn audition than it does a fight. Boring (not to mention a bit disturbing....I mean, who wants to have a guy lay on them or more importantly, want to LAY on another dude?..but I digress).
Warlord
Ask James Toney.
nyjyant1
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Oct 9 2011, 09:18 PM) *
I have never watched an MMA match, I know about UFC and some of the stars of the sport. It seems that some of these stars in UFC have not been with the sport long but yet they are overnight super stars. In UFC it seems if you win 10 to 20 fights you are in the upper echelons of the sport. I do not know the average purse an MMA super star makes (someone can enlighten me on that). It seems that it is easier to be a super star in MMA than boxing.
Boxing may take a lifetime to break into that super stardom (sergio Martinez and Manny Pacquiao). Some boxers may not even get to be on television. Even if you are a good boxer does not automatically equate to megastardom or even a fan following (Tim Bradley and Berto). My question is why does it seem MMA (UFC) fighters have a higher chance of making it in their sport than boxers? Is it because boxing has too many weight divisions or there are too many boxers?
I think you need to have a bit more skill and natural talent to be a boxer, my opinion. What are yawl thoughts?


Ufc biggest purse I heard at that time was like 500k,it went to chuck liddel,a reason for that might be because ufc is private owned,not like boxing where u can own ya self, and since its private dana white can promote his stars more,everybody knows boxing is more of a skill sport,meanwhile mma if u can tackle someone quick and choke them u can win the fight, jus like what randy couture did to james toney,couture didnt bother for 1 second to stand n fight with toney, he tackled him right away and started wrestling and won the fight like that
Warlord
I love this shit about how it takes more skill to be a boxer. Any boxer who wants to try his hand at MMA is welcome. Some already have. And we've seen the results.

A boxer who transitions into MMA doesn't have to leave any of his game behind. He can bring his wealth of boxing knowledge with him. So why aren't more boxers successful in MMA? Because boxing is only ONE part of Mixed Martial Arts. It's simple arithmetic, for God's sake. The best boxer in the world couldn't beat the best Mixed Martial Artist in the world under any circumstances other than those created in a boxing ring.

So, yeah, let's take that point one step further. Let's say you take a Mixed Martial Artist and put him in a boxing ring against Floyd Mayweather. You cripple the MMA fighter in that situation, you limit what he can do and take away 90% of his playbook, and then ask him to get slaughtered. And after it happened, would you thump your chest proudly about that kind of victory? Seriously? Would you still brag about boxing's superior skill level?

That'd be like muzzling a tiger, shearing his claws, and chaining his hands and feet together before putting him in the ring with a pit-bull. The question isn't even about who would win anymore, the only question is what would it prove?

Let that same boxer come into an MMA ring. He can still do everything. His playbook is still open. Everything he's ever done before in a boxing ring he can still do in MMA. Everything he's ever trained to do, can still be done. But you know what? He'll still get pounded out, the same way James Toney did. Because he isn't close to being a complete fighter.
Lil-lightsout
Well I have sparred my some amateur MMA fighters, I trashed every one of them.Hahaha.
Cshel86
Good points! My question would be...who is more likely to suffer the worst long-term injuries after their careers are over, a boxer or MMA fighter? Im looking at it from a punchstat view and I believe a boxer gets hit the most, and Im not saying just KO punches, but jabs, body punches, etc.

I've seen more than a few MMA fights, and a guy can go out with a punch, kick, knee, submit to some typr of hold, or just get choked the hell out quickly, rather than take hard/semi-hard punches for 36 minutes. I definitely feel that MMA is more grueling because a fighter has many ways of losing a fight, but I was just curious about the long-term injuries from guys who have MMA experience (or something along the lines)...
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Oct 10 2011, 07:56 AM) *
Good points! My question would be...who is more likely to suffer the worst long-term injuries after their careers are over, a boxer or MMA fighter? Im looking at it from a punchstat view and I believe a boxer gets hit the most, and Im not saying just KO punches, but jabs, body punches, etc.

I've seen more than a few MMA fights, and a guy can go out with a punch, kick, knee, submit to some typr of hold, or just get choked the hell out quickly, rather than take hard/semi-hard punches for 36 minutes. I definitely feel that MMA is more grueling because a fighter has many ways of losing a fight, but I was just curious about the long-term injuries from guys who have MMA experience (or something along the lines)...


I think boxers take more punishment. From my understanding UFC does not have 9 to 12 rounds of fighting.
If a boxer can not transition into UFC it is not because of lack of skill it is because they are not wrestlers and etc. Boxing is a technical skill where you focus on boxing and different techniques of boxing Where is it MMA fighters are all around in different areas of fighting. I do not think either fighter can hang in the other's world. I just think it is easier to break into MMA than wrestling. Boxing you have to perfect it MMA you can be okay in five different areas and dominant. I give respect to both fighters but I would much rather watch boxing...
JONdaCON817
IMO comparing MMA to Boxing is like comparing a sprinter to a long distance runner...

the sprinter can ask "Can you beat me in 100 yrds? or can you run 100 yrd dash faster than me?"

while the other guys asks "Can you run a Mile faster then me?"

the sprinter may reach a higher speed but wheres the stamina?

IMO training in Boxing is like preparing yourself for a Marathon, where as MMA its more of a sprint....
MMA isnt easier to learn because of all the different techniques.. but in Boxing you learn that one technique to damn near perfection and in the end it may not make a difference at all..

I feel like in MMA its easier to win a match... you could get the KO, you could tap them, you could get the decision... if your fighter a certain type of fighter (boxer, wrestler, BJJ) you could beat them with a counter style (if hes a good wrestler, use BJJ, etc)

and in boxing if the guy is flat out better then you, then theres not shyt you can do but pray for that luccy Punch or that the guy gasses out....

Sunni6Killer
Boxing talent gap is huge.
ufc talent gap is a lot closer.
Lesnar at 2-1 wins a promotional title.
Cain at 9-0 is considered an all time great shok.gif , I mean seriously?
With the rules a one dimensional ground fighter can have success.
EAlbian
they are completely different sports, however I think fighters could have success in either(not something Dana White actually wants). MMA is a very new sport, started in the 90's. It's come a long way. You make it seem as though these guys have only been training a couple years. Randy Couture has been wrestling his whole life, achieved success at the highest level. Most of the guys who are in MMA started in another combat sport and have been working their whole lives at it. The skill sets are different, I've done a little of both and both feel like death at a certain point. Yes i think its easier for a guy like Lesnar who is a monster of a human and has years of manhandling other equally large men to go into a cage and do that, the sport permits it. Its a facet of the game, Mark the Hammer Coleman started the ground and pound technique. MMA is crude but if we are talking about who would win in a fight(and if you are a guy I'm sure you've spent some time debating on who out of any given 2 people would win in a "fight") than MMA serves that purpose. I think their are former boxers that would have done well in MMA(Tyson) as well as MMA fighter that can do well in boxing(Hari/Overeem/Dos Santos). MMA vs Boxing can only really end in preference
Sunni6Killer
"Hari/Overeem/Dos Santos"

How do know they could do well?
Hari- no chin.
Overeem- no chin, no jab, no straight punches.
JDS- throws his sig punch from the 4th row, leaves himself open.
PalookaJoe
I don't know if it'd be easier or not, just based on the fact that only one guy runs the whole thing over there, so you basically have to be in good with him to start with, otherwise you're going nowhere. And you either do what he says or...strikeforce I suppose is your only option. Well, not anymore. I think White bought them out, if I'm remembering right.

Could be wrong, but I seem to remember they were getting bought out.

With only one person running the show, I would have to think that that would factor in. With Boxing, you piss off one sanctioning body or state, you can always go to another one (unless you happen to have Nevada revoke your license or something).

mgrover
erm I don't know I think its a lot easier to get to the top of the pack in MMA and hold a title since theres only one title, but in boxing even if you do hold a title it doesnt mean shit, meaning you dont mean shit till you beat some worthy contenders.
PalookaJoe
QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 10 2011, 11:43 AM) *
erm I don't know I think its a lot easier to get to the top of the pack in MMA and hold a title since theres only one title, but in boxing even if you do hold a title it doesnt mean shit, meaning you dont mean shit till you beat some worthy contenders.


Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you, but by your own logic, shouldn't it be easier in Boxing? You said yourself there's only one title in MMA, and that there's more titles in Boxing.

Therefore, technically you could succeed by winning a title in Boxing much easier, seeing as how there are plenty of titles around. If you can't beat the Klitschkos (and it appears no one can), then you can always get a fringe title like Povetkin just picked up, or Holyfield picked up.

And TECHNICALLY you have a title and have achieved some success.

If you're talking about legitimate world wide recognized success...I dunno. I think there's more people to fight in boxing, and considering what all you have to go through in MMA with having your face pounded into the ground and shit, I dunno....

Both are tough situations, no doubt.
gravytrain
i think it's easier to make it in boxing. there are different MMA organizations but with the UFC White owns everyone and can pretty much do what he wants, it's like when Arum and King ran things and had enough talent to make any fights they wanted. i don't really follow it that much since i don't like watching it but i can respect what the athletes are doing. they could be fighting for a title after 10 pro fights and will have to earn that title shot, then if they win they've to keep that title while fighting the best that's out there.
mgrover
QUOTE (PalookaJoe @ Oct 10 2011, 05:49 PM) *
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you, but by your own logic, shouldn't it be easier in Boxing? You said yourself there's only one title in MMA, and that there's more titles in Boxing.

Therefore, technically you could succeed by winning a title in Boxing much easier, seeing as how there are plenty of titles around. If you can't beat the Klitschkos (and it appears no one can), then you can always get a fringe title like Povetkin just picked up, or Holyfield picked up.

And TECHNICALLY you have a title and have achieved some success.

If you're talking about legitimate world wide recognized success...I dunno. I think there's more people to fight in boxing, and considering what all you have to go through in MMA with having your face pounded into the ground and shit, I dunno....

Both are tough situations, no doubt.


Thats what I mean its like Ortiz had a title but he was still a nobody, since in boxing titles don't mean shit really, but the UFC titles still hold there value, and when your in a championship match in boxing it can be utter domination or a close match, but I wouldn't call a championship match hitting one guy with one shot dropping him and then pounding on his head. I doubt they really deserved to win that title. Problem is a lot of guys in boxing don't deserve to win titles for the other reason is that there so many of the god damn things.
EAlbian
QUOTE (Sunni6Killer @ Oct 10 2011, 10:54 AM) *
"Hari/Overeem/Dos Santos"

How do know they could do well?
Hari- no chin.
Overeem- no chin, no jab, no straight punches.
JDS- throws his sig punch from the 4th row, leaves himself open.


well it's my opinion more than anything. They are cut from the right cloth, they have the size to be able to compete, and the mentality. They also know about distance and striking, I honestly think that they could beat guys in the top 10 with how weak the HW division is. Shit Sam Peter was a legit contender/champion with wide slow punches and gave Wlad all he could handle in 2005. I guess we'll find out because Hari is making the transition
Sunni6Killer
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Oct 10 2011, 11:39 AM) *
well it's my opinion more than anything. They are cut from the right cloth, they have the size to be able to compete, and the mentality. They also know about distance and striking, I honestly think that they could beat guys in the top 10 with how weak the HW division is. Shit Sam Peter was a legit contender/champion with wide slow punches and gave Wlad all he could handle in 2005. I guess we'll find out because Hari is making the transition


Good gawd! wtf.gif ...

Oy vey.
JONdaCON817
QUOTE (Sunni6Killer @ Oct 10 2011, 10:54 AM) *
"Hari/Overeem/Dos Santos"

How do know they could do well?
Hari- no chin.
Overeem- no chin, no jab, no straight punches.
JDS- throws his sig punch from the 4th row, leaves himself open.


i disagree... Hari and Reem would easily be top contenders in the HW division... Reem is a K1 champ, how you think he cant make the cut into boxing is beyond me... his stand up is top notch.. and his chin has never been a question at the higher weight... he did get KO'd when he was a puny MW... his chin has gotten better IMO, he hasnt been KOd in like 4 or 5 yrs...
JONdaCON817
QUOTE (EAlbian @ Oct 10 2011, 01:39 PM) *
well it's my opinion more than anything. They are cut from the right cloth, they have the size to be able to compete, and the mentality. They also know about distance and striking, I honestly think that they could beat guys in the top 10 with how weak the HW division is. Shit Sam Peter was a legit contender/champion with wide slow punches and gave Wlad all he could handle in 2005. I guess we'll find out because Hari is making the transition


i agree with you on this one!!
checkleft
I think its easier to be recognized in mma. Boxing is a lot more politics, and in mma you win fights you get recognized. But I do think boxers take more punishment are better conditioned and have to polish whatever skills they have better. Mma refs do are very aware of punishment and stop fights very fast before further punishment is taken. Boxing refs well.. let's put it like this they gave pwill a Fucking ten count when Martinez nearly knocked his head off his shoulders. Plus they fight longer and the grappling aspect takes away a lot of the striking a lot of the times.
thehype
QUOTE (Fitz @ Oct 10 2011, 08:49 PM) *
I love how the original question is about making it in your respective sport, and surprise surprise, every Tom, Dick and Harry start talking about which one requires more, more difficult, more dangerous etc.

Simple people.


LOL

Agreed.

My 2 cents...it's much more difficult to be the best in 1 thing than it is to be average in many things.

In MMA, you don't have to be the best in everything in order to make it in the top organization of the sport. Case in point, just look at TUF. A lot of fighters go from zero to hero with relatively little fight experience. You will NEVER see that in boxing. There's no way a guy can start training in boxing and a year later be in line for a title shot. Same can't be said in MMA. Now, that's not to knock MMA, because I'm fully aware of the skill and dedication that's involved. However, with so many different ways to win, lose, get caught, etc., it just makes it a lot easier to be average in all things as opposed to being great. In other words, it's easier to win when you have more tools at your disposal. When you start to impose rules and limit what you can use in any sport, that makes it more difficult.
JONdaCON817
one thing i read that i thought was interesting was the difference in brain damage in each sport... you see these brutal KOs in MMA where guys get KO'd then pounded while theyre still unconscious... in actuality that KO is better for you health wise... in MMA when you get dropped, finished, and stopped your able to recover post fight... and in Boxing, every time you get dropped its damn near a small concussion.. and having to get up and beat a count or being out on your feet, kills alot more brain cells then juss gettin dropped and finished with some masterbation punches (hammer fists)...
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (thehype @ Oct 11 2011, 10:21 AM) *
LOL

Agreed.

My 2 cents...it's much more difficult to be the best in 1 thing than it is to be average in many things.

In MMA, you don't have to be the best in everything in order to make it in the top organization of the sport. Case in point, just look at TUF. A lot of fighters go from zero to hero with relatively little fight experience. You will NEVER see that in boxing. There's no way a guy can start training in boxing and a year later be in line for a title shot. Same can't be said in MMA. Now, that's not to knock MMA, because I'm fully aware of the skill and dedication that's involved. However, with so many different ways to win, lose, get caught, etc., it just makes it a lot easier to be average in all things as opposed to being great. In other words, it's easier to win when you have more tools at your disposal. When you start to impose rules and limit what you can use in any sport, that makes it more difficult.


So you are saying that boxing is harder to crack through because you have to be great at boxing rather in MMA or UFC (same thing correct?) you can be average at everything and still make it? That makes sense. So I guess my next question would be: how can boxing compete with MMA or UFC when MMA offers versatility?
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Oct 11 2011, 12:00 PM) *
So you are saying that boxing is harder to crack through because you have to be great at boxing rather in MMA or UFC (same thing correct?) you can be average at everything and still make it? That makes sense. So I guess my next question would be: how can boxing compete with MMA or UFC when MMA offers versatility?

Boxing cant compete with MMA or UFC...he made that clear in his post, and you answered your question bighead laugh.gif In boxing, if you cant box, then you have no purpose in the ring. Boxing stands alone, because there's only one way to fight. In MMA and UFC, there are several ways to beat your opponent, and you dont have to be good in all areas. A fair balance in a few areas with exceptional/great defense takes you a long way.
AlynK
I think it all depends on what “making it” means to you and what a fighter is willing to settle for…. Recognition? Money? Both? Someone said in MMA you win fights you get recognized while boxing is more political. I’ve never watched a MMA fight so feel free to correct me but I think it is possible for a guy in MMA to be recognized faster because their fights make PPV numbers on the regular basis than boxing but in turn the fighters are sacrificing their health while being underpaid—at least that’s what I always hear. Boxers definitely sacrifice more time to get acknowledged so I guess both sports have their own issues but in different ways. It’s hard to really compare the two.
Cshel86
QUOTE (AlynK @ Oct 11 2011, 12:21 PM) *
I think it all depends on what “making it” means to you and what a fighter is willing to settle for…. Recognition? Money? Both? Someone said in MMA you win fights you get recognized while boxing is more political. I’ve never watched a MMA fight so feel free to correct me but I think it is possible for a guy in MMA to be recognized faster because their fights make PPV numbers on the regular basis than boxing but in turn the fighters are sacrificing their health while being underpaid—at least that’s what I always hear. Boxers definitely sacrifice more time to get acknowledged so I guess both sports have their own issues but in different ways. It’s hard to really compare the two.

+1
Hell, thats a decent if not great observation for somebody who doesn't even watch MMA. Works for me...
gravytrain
QUOTE (thehype @ Oct 11 2011, 11:21 AM) *
LOL

Agreed.

My 2 cents...it's much more difficult to be the best in 1 thing than it is to be average in many things.

In MMA, you don't have to be the best in everything in order to make it in the top organization of the sport. Case in point, just look at TUF. A lot of fighters go from zero to hero with relatively little fight experience. You will NEVER see that in boxing. There's no way a guy can start training in boxing and a year later be in line for a title shot. Same can't be said in MMA. Now, that's not to knock MMA, because I'm fully aware of the skill and dedication that's involved. However, with so many different ways to win, lose, get caught, etc., it just makes it a lot easier to be average in all things as opposed to being great. In other words, it's easier to win when you have more tools at your disposal. When you start to impose rules and limit what you can use in any sport, that makes it more difficult.


that's the whole point of TUF, it hypes some fighter up then he goes into the UFC with a following. it kind of makes you miss the Contender and all of the sound effects they used for punches.
Orthodoxxx
QUOTE (thehype @ Oct 11 2011, 11:21 AM) *
LOL

Agreed.

My 2 cents...it's much more difficult to be the best in 1 thing than it is to be average in many things.

In MMA, you don't have to be the best in everything in order to make it in the top organization of the sport. Case in point, just look at TUF. A lot of fighters go from zero to hero with relatively little fight experience. You will NEVER see that in boxing. There's no way a guy can start training in boxing and a year later be in line for a title shot. Same can't be said in MMA. Now, that's not to knock MMA, because I'm fully aware of the skill and dedication that's involved. However, with so many different ways to win, lose, get caught, etc., it just makes it a lot easier to be average in all things as opposed to being great. In other words, it's easier to win when you have more tools at your disposal. When you start to impose rules and limit what you can use in any sport, that makes it more difficult.


People speak as if you can't break down boxing in components. Boxers differ in styles from fighter to fighter just the same, and you can easily say Pacquiao's defensive skills isn't in the highest echelon of the sport though his aggressive and quick hands puts him in the #1 or #2 in damn near everyone's P4P list. In the case of MMA, breaking it down in components is simple: standup, wrestling and grappling. Fighters who are sharp in atleast 2 out of 3 of these aspects is proportionately similar to a boxer who may have a solid offense and a so-so defense. True, many MMA fighters outside of a Georges St-Pierre may be far from complete, but the same can be said about boxers not named Floyd Mayweather Jr.

And besides that, when was the last time we saw a contestant in TUF make it to a main event? Forrest Griffin? Rashad Evans? They're contestant from the earliest incarnations of the show. They've had time to pull themselves up. It's not the same anymore... things done changed. Like someone's said before, MMA is still a young, evolving sport, and it's just recently that a new wave of more complete, strictly defined "mixed martial artists" have come into the same like Cain Velasquez and Jon Jones. Most of the old school guys in the game started in one art and moved on to improve their skillsets... these days, the kids are going right into it.

One last thing... anyone who thinks that sinking a choke is so simple is a dumbass. Most people (even fans of MMA) can't even grasp the idea of someone passing the closed guard, going to half guard, to side control, to mount, without just seeing the whole process as if two guys are just randomly rolling on the floor. MMA is a science just as boxing is.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Oct 11 2011, 11:15 AM) *
Boxing cant compete with MMA or UFC...he made that clear in his post, and you answered your question bighead laugh.gif In boxing, if you cant box, then you have no purpose in the ring. Boxing stands alone, because there's only one way to fight. In MMA and UFC, there are several ways to beat your opponent, and you dont have to be good in all areas. A fair balance in a few areas with exceptional/great defense takes you a long way.

Smart ass I meant in popularity!!!!!! How can boxing compete with MMA in popularity? It seems every month they have a PPV and people actually buy it. What has been UFC's biggest PPV? Bighead... cute
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Oct 11 2011, 03:51 PM) *
Smart ass I meant in popularity!!!!!! How can boxing compete with MMA in popularity? It seems every month they have a PPV and people actually buy it. What has been UFC's biggest PPV? Bighead... cute

I thought the "bighead" comment would throw you off so I could impose my point, but I see you didn't fall for it. Dang Allmenjoi, you're smarter than I give you credit for, lol. Oh and for the record, Im not still not gonna answer the questions in your post, lol...google it. Bighead...
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Oct 11 2011, 03:49 PM) *
I thought the "bighead" comment would throw you off so I could impose my point, but I see you didn't fall for it. Dang Allmenjoi, you're smarter than I give you credit for, lol. Oh and for the record, Im not still not gonna answer the questions in your post, lol...google it. Bighead...

You posted that just to tell me you are not going to answer my post? I am not a big google fan outside of academic work and even then I rather hit the library for my information. What I am i suppose to be googling: How to spot an smartass? I am sure there will be a picture of your screen name.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Oct 11 2011, 05:00 PM) *
You posted that just to tell me you are not going to answer my post? I am not a big google fan outside of academic work and even then I rather hit the library for my information. What I am i suppose to be googling: How to spot an smartass? I am sure there will be a picture of your screen name.

Yep! Thats exactly why I posted that...just to let you know that Im above answering questions in which I have no answer to! Lol. Besides, you shot me down after I answered your first post, so yeah...kinda feelin' shot down over here.

Really though, I dont know the highest PPV #s for a UFC fight, but they do have those events quite often. Oh yeah bighead...no need to google a smart ass...a smart ass is upon you...



The "Meanest Nice Guy" is blessing your presence with the ultimate art of smart ass-ness...be grateful...be very grateful...
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Oct 11 2011, 04:19 PM) *
Yep! Thats exactly why I posted that...just to let you know that Im above answering questions in which I have no answer to! Lol. Besides, you shot me down after I answered your first post, so yeah...kinda feelin' shot down over here.

Really though, I dont know the highest PPV #s for a UFC fight, but they do have those events quite often. Oh yeah bighead...no need to google a smart ass...a smart ass is upon you...



The "Meanest Nice Guy" is blessing your presence with the ultimate art of smart ass-ness...be grateful...be very grateful...


The Meanest Nice Guy.... So you are like The Blind Swordsman Zatoichi? Because he was pretty nice but a mutha with that sword. How would you change boxing as far as getting super stars in the fore front like MMA does their stars? I have no idea who the top notch MMA people are... I have never watched it but it seems they get a lot of push from UFC
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Oct 11 2011, 05:49 PM) *
The Meanest Nice Guy.... So you are like The Blind Swordsman Zatoichi? Because he was pretty nice but a mutha with that sword. How would you change boxing as far as getting super stars in the fore front like MMA does their stars? I have no idea who the top notch MMA people are... I have never watched it but it seems they get a lot of push from UFC

Zatoichi?! I can dig that! Lol. Truthfully, I really cant muster up any thoughts on how to change anything about anything at the moment...long day at work having to micro-manage folks. I will try my luck answering this later though.
King Eugene
I think the biggest UFC PPV was Lesnar vs. Carwin. It did like 1Mil I believe.
Cshel86
QUOTE (King Eugene @ Oct 11 2011, 06:55 PM) *
I think the biggest UFC PPV was Lesnar vs. Carwin. It did like 1Mil I believe.

I've been reading different numbers, and like you stated, I saw Lesnar/Carwin at around 1.1M, but then I saw Lesnar/Mir 2 hit 1.6M, but another site clocked it 1.72M...so I really dont know. Hell, I didn't even know those events sold that much to be honest. The last one that I actually watched and paid for was Jackson/Evens last summer, and it had about 6 undercards on it if Im not mistaken.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Oct 11 2011, 05:27 PM) *
Zatoichi?! I can dig that! Lol. Truthfully, I really cant muster up any thoughts on how to change anything about anything at the moment...long day at work having to micro-manage folks. I will try my luck answering this later though.


You never heard of Zatoichi? That hurts, the Blind Swordsman is the best Japanese movie series ever. Cshel86 thumbsdown_anim.gif , that is all I am going to say.

Their biggest gross was 1.1 million? Wow. So I guess the viewship is not as popular as boxing, from those numbers or are people not willing to pay for UFC or MMA? Who knows...

Go watch some Zatoichi and be prepared to be amazed!
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Oct 11 2011, 11:59 PM) *
You never heard of Zatoichi? That hurts, the Blind Swordsman is the best Japanese movie series ever. Cshel86 thumbsdown_anim.gif , that is all I am going to say.

Their biggest gross was 1.1 million? Wow. So I guess the viewship is not as popular as boxing, from those numbers or are people not willing to pay for UFC or MMA? Who knows...

Go watch some Zatoichi and be prepared to be amazed!

Bighead, I've heard of Zatoichi...thats why I said I can dig it, lol. I saw 1.1M and 1.72M...not bad at all, those are similar to big boxing PPV #s dntknw.gif
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Oct 11 2011, 11:06 PM) *
Bighead, I've heard of Zatoichi...thats why I said I can dig it, lol. I saw 1.1M and 1.72M...not bad at all, those are similar to big boxing PPV #s dntknw.gif


Okay Shaft. Those are great numbers. But if that is the highest ever for them it is still lagging behind boxing. Your new name is Zatoichi. You can change that big head name anytime...
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Oct 12 2011, 01:40 AM) *
Okay Shaft. Those are great numbers. But if that is the highest ever for them it is still lagging behind boxing. Your new name is Zatoichi. You can change that big head name anytime...


Dont give me any ideas...

Oh yeah, those are pretty good numbers for UFC (in my opinion)...
daprofessor
is it easier to make it in mma than boxing?

yes.
gravytrain
you guys must not have any friends that watch UFC fights lol. the biggest UFC PPV is 1.5 mil and biggest boxing PPV is 2.5 mil, boxing averages a better buy rate with less PPVs but the UFC is averaging around 700k for their PPVs. i don't see what that's to do with whether or not it's easier to make it in one or the other though. i don't see how anyone can go with boxing over MMA since the UFC has 1 title per each division and the champion has to fight whoever is put in front of them. they can't get some ABC org to strip someone either. if you want a belt you've to earn a shot, beat the champion and then defend it against the best your division has to offer.

there must be more big girls on here than i thought with how defensive people get.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Oct 12 2011, 08:32 AM) *
Dont give me any ideas...

Oh yeah, those are pretty good numbers for UFC (in my opinion)...


Those are good numbers Shaft/Zatoichi but you know what is even better? A better name than big head. Actually it reminds me of Love and Basketball (best damn movie ever) when the girl kept calling Qunicy or Omar Epps Big Head. I know I know offtopic.gif

QUOTE (gravytrain @ Oct 12 2011, 12:39 PM) *
you guys must not have any friends that watch UFC fights lol. the biggest UFC PPV is 1.5 mil and biggest boxing PPV is 2.5 mil, boxing averages a better buy rate with less PPVs but the UFC is averaging around 700k for their PPVs. i don't see what that's to do with whether or not it's easier to make it in one or the other though. i don't see how anyone can go with boxing over MMA since the UFC has 1 title per each division and the champion has to fight whoever is put in front of them. they can't get some ABC org to strip someone either. if you want a belt you've to earn a shot, beat the champion and then defend it against the best your division has to offer.

there must be more big girls on here than i thought with how defensive people get.

Reading some of these post it is proven that men are far more emotiona and defensive than women. I have never watched a UFC fight, it is not my cup of tea. I am not knocking them in anyway. I was jus curious why it was easier to break through in UFC/MMA than boxing.
Spyder
Shaft? Big Head? There's a dick joke in there somewhere...
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Oct 12 2011, 04:14 PM) *
Those are good numbers Shaft/Zatoichi but you know what is even better? A better name than big head. Actually it reminds me of Love and Basketball (best damn movie ever) when the girl kept calling Qunicy or Omar Epps Big Head. I know I know offtopic.gif

There you go, lol. So you want a nickname now? Somebodyyyyy's being needyyyy!!! laugh.gif

QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 12 2011, 05:08 PM) *
Shaft? Big Head? There's a dick joke in there somewhere...

laugh.gif Leave it to Spyder to put it out there! Im actually surprised it got past me, lol.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Spyder @ Oct 12 2011, 04:08 PM) *
Shaft? Big Head? There's a dick joke in there somewhere...


Actually your post reminds me of the best penis joke ever. This female bartender told me it and I laughed for a week thinking about it. So here it is: What's the difference between your man and your lover? She shows the different size of the boyfriend's penis and the lover's penis. That joke gets laughs all day. Especially if your dude is with you... Good joke.

The other one is: How does a woman cure her man's erectile dysfunction? Why should she cure it when she can leave... not as funny but still good joke.

Back to the original topic...
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Oct 12 2011, 07:48 PM) *
Actually your post reminds me of the best penis joke ever. This female bartender told me it and I laughed for a week thinking about it. So here it is: What's the difference between your man and your lover? She shows the different size of the boyfriend's penis and the lover's penis. That joke gets laughs all day. Especially if your dude is with you... Good joke.

The other one is: How does a woman cure her man's erectile dysfunction? Why should she cure it when she can leave... not as funny but still good joke.

Back to the original topic...

Best joke when the boyfriend is there?! Damn, she wasn't on the floor toothless? That would've been my next move, a slap! Back to the topic though!
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (cshel86 @ Oct 12 2011, 06:54 PM) *
Best joke when the boyfriend is there?! Damn, she wasn't on the floor toothless? That would've been my next move, a slap! Back to the topic though!


Yeah. As I was laughing my boyfriend at the time looked at me and was like so what are you trying to say? It was funny. I never cheated in any of my relationships but that was funny. Okay Ike Turner!!!

UFC fighters because of the less wear and tear do their careers tend to be longer?
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