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Jack 1000
Mayweather vs. Hearns: Because of Tommy's power, there is a chance that he could hurt Floyd early and test him within the first four rounds. In which Hearns would have had the right hand to shock the world. Picture that if Judah was able to drop Floyd and what Mosley might have done if he had not been too nice in letting Floyd of the hook in that 2nd round. Tommy could blitz, Make it a 30% shot.

But from round 5 on, it's all Floyd. Hearns, despite his incredible boxing ability and power, often did not react well to being hit. Leonard, the best boxer Tommy ever fought was no great puncher and you saw that he had Hearns hurt in both of their fights. Floyd would pick and roll, use the elbows and would begin to find the range and take a close but unanimous decision. Maybe split, if there are knockdowns early scored by Hearns, that is IF Floyd could get by those first four rounds.

Mayweather vs. Duran: Duran's greatest was at lightweight and the first Leonard fight, and he would have to be at his Leonard I peek to beat Floyd on a decision. He could be like Castillo in the first fight. I would put that chance at 45%. HOWEVER, 55% says Floyd gets in Duran's head like Leonard did in the second Duran fight. A better chance is New Orleans all over again with Duran quitting as Floyd does what he wants and Duran's mind games go nowhere.

Mayweather vs. Leonard: A mastermind chess game with great boxing, combinations, and agility from both. Floyd is very good, but this time, he has found a grand master in Leonard who just does a little better, a little sharper in most of the rounds. It would be like Leonard-Hagler with Floyd being Hagler, where he just could not get off quite as well as Leonard, but it's very close. A hotly debated split decision goes to Ray, and Floyd complains about the loss when the topic is brought up, just like Hagler did against Leonard.

What are your calls?

Jack
Cshel86
From what I've seen, FMJ has a pretty decent chin but I dont know any fighters as of late, who has an "80's chin". Those dudes took all kinds of punches in their era, which may have surely contributed to their speech nowadays. No doubt in my mind that all 3 of these guys would be hell for Floyd, hands down. Mayweather/Hearns would be a wild one because Hearns is tall, with nasty reach, a nasty jab, and a "nighty night" right hand. As you said, Hearns didn't react well to punches, but Floyd's not a big puncher either...so his punches would probably more frustrating than anything.

A fight with Duran, would be just as dangerous, but at WW, Floyd would be able to get off a bit more and frustrate Duran in route to a decision. Sigh...Leonard...this would be Floyd's fight to lose. His defense and speed would be a factor, but I just dont see him pulling it off. Floyd's a better fighter than Sr., so I will give that much of an edge, but Leonard would be too much for him.

Of course Floyd's ability to slip punches and frustrate his opponents would be key in these fights, but my only concern is any of these guys landing punches on Floyd. These guys punched like nobody I've ever seen, whether it was blinding speed or concrete fists, they would pose a serious threat to Floyd.
jlupi
He could be like Castillo in the first fight.>>>>>


I nhope your not saying castillo=duran? they are not in the same league offensively or defensively
Jack 1000
QUOTE (jlupi @ Nov 4 2011, 03:09 PM) *
He could be like Castillo in the first fight.>>>>>


I nhope your not saying castillo=duran? they are not in the same league offensively or defensively


I mean in terms of style. Castillo was good, but Duran in his prime is one of the greatest fighters who ever lived.

Jack
sduck
Mayweather and Hearns will be competitive, but Mayweather will eventually neutralize Hearns' assets to a late stoppage. Hearns has a reach and height advantage, but Mayweather will be able to slip punches through his jab, and will eventually neutralize Hearns' jab and speed with accurate body shots. Hearns won't be able to keep the pace, to take that kind of punishment for 12 or 15 rounds straight. Hearns will of course be able to hit Mayweather, everyone can, but Mayweather would be smart and elusive enough to not let Hearns get a clean shot with his right. History has shown that Mayweather has slipped up against Corley, Judah, and Mosley at 140-147. There's always a possibility Hearns would hit Mayweather clean with a right. However, Mayweather even when being stumbled has been able to defend his way out of those situations.

Mayweather would most-likely box his way to a decision against Duran. Duran wouldn't just come forward into a wild brawl, ignoring punishment like Castillo, that's just not how he fights. Even thought there is a possibility because that wasn't usually how Castillo fought either lol (I also think it's dumb how people always bring the first Castillo fight for an excuse for any fighter that isn't very slick, and especially ignore the second fight, when both Mayweather and Castillo fought the exact same way. Mayweather just looked more sharp in the second fight, which is why he was able to convincingly win.) There's also a possibility Duran would get frustrated, like most of Mayweather's opponents, like he got frustrated against Leonard. We could see a stoppage, more-likely a corner stoppage.

Now Mayweather against Leonard. Mayweather has a defensive edge, and might be more sharper than Leonard. Leonard throws more combinations, and has the possible speed advantage. If it came down to a chess match, I would give this to Mayweather by close decision. Leonard however could play a chess match, while the same time bring the pressure. Those flurries would be too much for any normal human and would penetrate Mayweather's defense. Then afterwards it depends on what Leonard can connect with from there. IMO the most possible way Leonard could win this, is on activity. Mayweather has the habit of becoming too defensive and will sell rounds due to lack of activity. Leonard would take complete advantage of this. This could come down to going either way, like how I have with prime DLH vs Mayweather. But I still favor Mayweather to more-likely win somehow.

One last match-up, I know it isn't part of this thread, but it's in response to Pacquiao-Hearns. Hearns has shown he can't keep the pace, and gets shot down by hard shots, even from fighters who aren't big punchers. Pacquiao at 147 will be hurt but eat and survive Hearns' punches and will eventually catch Hearns to a late stoppage.
Run and Gun Game Calls
pretty simple for me

prime v/s prime

hearns v/s floyd ...floyd by majority decision


duran v/s floyd ... Duran by stoppage around rd 8


chavez v/s floyd at 140 ... floyd by ud, but Chavez damaged opponents when he hit them and he was suprising crafty and quick. Floyd would age alot as a fighter after this fight


Leonard v/s Floyd ... those who believe floyd is better defensively than leonard dont remember ray. His defense was more traditional, but no less effective. Leonard hit very hard when he chose to, and his speed, activity, footwork, inhuman balance and precision punching wouldnt allow floyd to sit back, shoulder roll and pot shot ray. Ray Leonard by UD 9-3.
bosco
I'm a die hard Mayweather fan but Hearns beats Floyd. You have to be real aggressive to beat Hearns and Floyd ain't that aggressive. The size and the jab would be too much and the right hand...we all know about Hearns right hand. Plus Hearns can flat out box.
Floyd neutralizes Duran for a ud win.
Leonard wins by decision. Too many flurries and plus Leonard knew how to look the part. He knew how to look like he was winning. De La Hoya lost by split decision to Floyd off aggression alone and I think Leonard schools Oscar. Floyd is the man but those fighters in the 80's were a different monster.
bosco
Put it like this...Floyd pot shots bigger opponents for the win like Badamir and De la Hoya. What would Hearns, Duran and Leonard have done to Baldimir, Judah, Castillo or anyone else Floyd has fought. The 80's was rough.
jrazor
Floyd lands shots on the money and doesn't get hit. in the 80's it was all about hit and get hit. sorry but Floyd beats them all with leonard giving him the most trouble.
bosco
QUOTE (jrazor @ Nov 6 2011, 05:42 PM) *
Floyd lands shots on the money and doesn't get hit. in the 80's it was all about hit and get hit. sorry but Floyd beats them all with leonard giving him the most trouble.

Wrong!!! If Hearns fought a hit and get hit style he would have been knocked out more than 3 times. Those guys would have been too active for Floyd.
No matter how good someone's defense is ...everyone is vulnerable while they're punching and pot shotting wouldn't have got it done. Floyd would have lost the decision.
Antonio Tarver
He loses to all 3.

Hearns knocks Floyd out probably within 6 rounds.

Duran outworks and abuses him and stops him late or win a clear decision.

Leonard outpoints him and wins a clear decision. Leonard is a better fighter than Mayweather, the only advantage Mayweather has over him is possibly defense. But whatever Mayweather can do, Leonard can do as well and if not better. Leonard is what Mayweather should have been.
caneman
QUOTE (Antonio Tarver @ Nov 6 2011, 08:08 PM) *
He loses to all 3.

Hearns knocks Floyd out probably within 6 rounds.

Duran outworks and abuses him and stops him late or win a clear decision.

Leonard outpoints him and wins a clear decision. Leonard is a better fighter than Mayweather, the only advantage Mayweather has over him is possibly defense. But whatever Mayweather can do, Leonard can do as well and if not better. Leonard is what Mayweather should have been.

Damn good View in my eyes! Mayweather would have to hurt Hearns and I can't see it happening! He couldn't hurt Duran at 147 and Duran would just keep coming and SRL would out class him on every level!
sduck
Hmm. In a way I'm starting to believe some people think people in real life have power levels like a cartoon or something LOL.
mrwigi
I think Floyd wuld find a way to beat leonard.. Tommy's reach would have been a real problem for him, and Duran being a pressure fighter wuld probably be the biggest test for floyd.
jrazor
QUOTE (bosco @ Nov 6 2011, 04:54 PM) *
Wrong!!! If Hearns fought a hit and get hit style he would have been knocked out more than 3 times. Those guys would have been too active for Floyd.
No matter how good someone's defense is ...everyone is vulnerable while they're punching and pot shotting wouldn't have got it done. Floyd would have lost the decision.


right..., has hearns been knocked down? yes. and who would be to active for Floyd when everyone is more active then him? and he won them all. plus it seems that all the people Floyd pot shot seems to respect him especially in the later rounds. all wins by decision for Floyd.
streetlion1
Floyd is the best today and realistically I see only 2 style match ups near his weight class that would give him trouble...and its not Manny Pacquiao....its Cotto and Martinez.

That being said...Mayweather DOES NOT belong in the conversation with greats like Hearns, Leonard, and Duran! Those guys fought 15rds...sometimes fighting 3plus times a year and ducked no one. Mayweather gets abused by all 3! Leonards height, blazing hand and foot speed would leave Mayweather on the losing end of a unanimous decision. Hearns...again his height...jab...power....I think outta the 3 he beats Mayweather the easiest. Duran would have Mayweather running away all night and getting out pointed by his sheer aggression.

These fighters had something that Mayweather just seems to not have....the WILL to PROVE that they were the best and fight all comers. Early in Mayweathers career he was showing that but once he hit Welterweight he handpicked his opponents. Avoiding an undefeated Miguel Cotto, ducking Margacheato and fighting guys like Baldomir and Judah...an aged DLH was the toughest fight of his career outside of Castillo 1.....and DLH almost made it look easy against him while he was throwing his jab.

In my opinion Mayweather has to step up and fight the best out there....I think he would beat Pacquiao surprisingly easy...he should fight guys like Cotto, Martinez...even Alvarez....guys who'll really test him. Until he does what the champions of the past did he doesnt belong in that conversation. Being undefeated doesnt mean you should be automatically in the discussion with REAL greats....if that was the case then CalSlappy would be in the conversation lol.
PR316
Mayweather loses to all 3 of them.

Hearns has too much height and reach for Floyd. Not to mention that jab, and that killer right hand. All thrown with great speed and precision. Floyd would have to try to do what Leonard did in being more aggressive and taking alot of right hands en route to trying to get to Hearns' body and wear him down. I think Floyd has a bit of success in making Hearns miss and pay, but overall Tommy is just too big, too strong, and too powerful. Hearns via UD 15.

Duran unlike De La Hoya actually knows HOW to apply pressure. He'd feint, bob and weave, and attack Floyd from different angles. His quick right hand over the top and left hook to the body would give Floyd alot of problems.... Now of course some here will mention the 2nd fight with Leonard and Duran however Duran wasn't exactly in the best shape for that fight and it was still competitive before he quit. A PRIME Duran at the top of his game clicking on all cylinders would outwork and outland Floyd en route to a close but deserved UD over 15 rounds.

Leonard-Mayweather is a replica of Leonard-Benitez. Like El Radar, Floyd would make Leonard miss alot and he'd be able to have success with his counterpunching. Problem is that Leonard is just as fast as Floyd, and punches with serious power in both hands especially the left. Leonard would make his adjustments after about 6 rounds, and he'd get to work. He would put a hurting on Floyd's body and Floyd to his credit would fight back but in doing so he'd give Leonard more opportunities. Its a competitive fight because Floyd is that great. But be that as it may, Leonard is a bit greater. And he'd win a UD, or a possible late stoppage.
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