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mitukczuk
Hey, I am fairly new to this forum but I think this question needs to be asked.

Who is Robert Guerrero ? Have you ever heard of him ? What has he done in his career to even put his name in the same sentence as Floyd Mayweather's ? I said the same thing about about Amir Khan but it seems to be touching plenty of fighters. How can these people become relevant like that ? They just talk. Don't get me wrong, Guerrero - cool guy, great story but Mayweather ? Really ?

Saddest part is that people are actually thinking about him being a suitable opponent for Floyd.

So, can you please open my mind or at least explain to me, what makes Guerrero THE guy ? Thanks !
Cheesey1
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Dec 13 2011, 11:44 AM) *
Hey, I am fairly new to this topic but I think this question needs to be asked.

Who is Robert Guerrero ? Have you ever heard of him ? What has he done in his career to even put his name in the same sentence as Floyd Mayweather's ? I said the same thing about about Amir Khan but it seems to be touching plenty of fighters. How can these people become relevant like that ? They just talk. Don't get me wrong, Guerrero - cool guy, great story but Mayweather ? Really ?

Saddest part is that people are actually thinking about him being a suitable opponent for Floyd.

So, can you please open my mind or at least explain to me, what makes Guerrero THE guy ? Thanks !

Good question. Like you, I've read some very positive stuff from people that, IMO, know what they're talking about, but apart from that I've never paid any attention to him. I will now watch his old fights online. On the surface I don't think it would be much of a challenge for Floyd and from an earning your dues perspective, there are other boxers more deserving of the fight, but if Guerrero is that good, then yeah, I'd defintiely watch it.
JONdaCON817
ahaha... hes gassing himself up... he has no business near May or Pac... idkk why he all the sudden is begging for the payday... hes too small IMO... usually fighting at FW, SFW and LW... he has a few decent wins beating Litzau, Casamayor, and Katsidis... still not good enough to warrant the payday imo...
cuzzo707
I like RG I just think that he needs to get some real good fights under his belt before all this Mayweather talk. He is good but we need to stop gassin these fighters up outta nowhere. RG has got to get on HBO.
Box in Hand
I have known of Guerrero for quite some time and he is a really good little fighter but he doesn't deserve to fight Mayweather or Pacquiao at this point. I think it's risky for Mayweather to take the fight as well since Robert would have to jump a few weight classes and we see the backlash he got for fighting Marquez. Everyone is calling out Mayweather but folks just need to come back down to Earth like Amir Khan lmfao.
daprofessor
it's really unfortunate for guerrero. he should have been a bigger star...but, sometimes it happens this way. he had a fight against maidana scheduled that would have made him a high profile fighter, but he injured his shoulder before it happened. at one point he was a sparring partner for pac and from what i recall, he was giving pac all he could handle. now...with his bad shoulder...it's all down hill from here. all he has left is his reputation on what he's accomplished. that may not be enough to land him a big pay day.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 13 2011, 04:20 PM) *
it's really unfortunate for guerrero. he should have been a bigger star...but, sometimes it happens this way. he had a fight against maidana scheduled that would have made him a high profile fighter, but he injured his shoulder before it happened. at one point he was a sparring partner for pac and from what i recall, he was giving pac all he could handle. now...with his bad shoulder...it's all down hill from here. all he has left is his reputation on what he's accomplished. that may not be enough to land him a big pay day.

I mean, the guy's only 28...give him a break. He's just not ready for a big fight yet, and thats only due to his lack of popularity or drawing power. He had pressing matters in his personal life, then his recent injury set him back a bit, but he will be just fine.

Damn, let's not go off and have a candlelight vigil for his career just yet nono.gif...he still has plenty of time to make the most of his career.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Dec 13 2011, 11:44 AM) *
Hey, I am fairly new to this forum but I think this question needs to be asked.

Who is Robert Guerrero ? Have you ever heard of him ? What has he done in his career to even put his name in the same sentence as Floyd Mayweather's ? I said the same thing about about Amir Khan but it seems to be touching plenty of fighters. How can these people become relevant like that ? They just talk. Don't get me wrong, Guerrero - cool guy, great story but Mayweather ? Really ?

Saddest part is that people are actually thinking about him being a suitable opponent for Floyd.

So, can you please open my mind or at least explain to me, what makes Guerrero THE guy ? Thanks !

Because he beat one fighter that had a name. So because he did that now he deserves to be in the ring with Mayweather. These guys do not pay dues they just beat one person that has a name and now they are suppose to dethrone the top dog. Go figure. Guerrero great guy but like most up and coming fighters they want the money without working up to it. Amir Khan is a perfect example he overlooked Peterson and lost his title! Mayweather beat Diego Corrales, Super Judah, Corley, and a slue of other fighters before he could even touch De La Hoya. He paid his dues, now they just think you beat one person and you automatically get a shot at Mayweather. sickening. Good post
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Dec 13 2011, 05:29 PM) *
Because he beat one fighter that had a name. So because he did that now he deserves to be in the ring with Mayweather. These guys do not pay dues they just beat one person that has a name and now they are suppose to dethrone the top dog. Go figure. Guerrero great guy but like most up and coming fighters they want the money without working up to it. Amir Khan is a perfect example he overlooked Peterson and lost his title! Mayweather beat Diego Corrales, Super Judah, Corley, and a slue of other fighters before he could even touch De La Hoya. He paid his dues, now they just think you beat one person and you automatically get a shot at Mayweather. sickening. Good post

Its part of the game, thats how its done nowadays. It only took Ortiz one big win at WW, to land a Mayweather fight. Thats why I haven't completely counted Khan out of the race...if he wins his rematch with Peterson, then one big fight at WW, then he's pretty much in there. He looked bad last weekend, but hell, Ortiz quit in a fight at 140, and redeemed himself enough to land a big fight.

Again, its part of the game. Since you're such a big Floyd fan, Im sure that you didn't know how long long he was calling out Shane and Oscar. Hell, even he was a lightweight at the time, so yeah, he would've had to jump two weight classes to fight either two at 140. Wanna know why he felt he could land those fights?...one of the reasons is probably because Shane jumped two weight classes to fight Oscar.

Since you dont pay attention to interviews or you either select the wrong versions of the fights on youtube, then you probably missed those times he called out Shane and Oscar at LW. Guerrero just doesn't have a big enough fan base to land this big fight, but he does have a vice, so he uses it to call Floyd out. Most of the bigger fighters now and in the past have done it.

Hell, if you have the top guy (FMJ) handpicking his opponents from 2 weight classes south of his, or relatively green fighters who have just crossed the sands into the limelight, then what makes Guerrero think that he doesn't have a chance?
thefloatingmonkey
Robert Guerrero is a good fighter. Don't think he is ready for a Floyd fight, doesn't mean he isn't good though. Would like to see him in a fight against Marquez or against Maidana.
mgrover
QUOTE (thefloatingmonkey @ Dec 13 2011, 11:15 PM) *
Robert Guerrero is a good fighter. Don't think he is ready for a Floyd fight, doesn't mean he isn't good though. Would like to see him in a fight against Marquez or against Maidana.


Marquez simply won't fight him, and he'd be side stepping Maidana all night long, no offence to Maidana but any boxer should and will defeat him, all he has it A class power for a B class fighter. He reminds me of Prince Naseem without the reflexes, speed or head movement.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 13 2011, 05:56 PM) *
Its part of the game, thats how its done nowadays. It only took Ortiz one big win at WW, to land a Mayweather fight. Thats why I haven't completely counted Khan out of the race...if he wins his rematch with Peterson, then one big fight at WW, then he's pretty much in there. He looked bad last weekend, but hell, Ortiz quit in a fight at 140, and redeemed himself enough to land a big fight.

Again, its part of the game. Since you're such a big Floyd fan, Im sure that you didn't know how long long he was calling out Shane and Oscar. Hell, even he was a lightweight at the time, so yeah, he would've had to jump two weight classes to fight either two at 140. Wanna know why he felt he could land those fights?...one of the reasons is probably because Shane jumped two weight classes to fight Oscar. Since you dont pay attention to interviews or you either select the wrong versions of the fights on youtube, then you probably missed those times he called out Shane and Oscar at LW. Guerrero just doesn't have a big enough fan base to land this big fight, but he does have a vice, so he uses it to call Floyd out. Most of the bigger fighters now and in the past have done it.

Hell, if you have the top guy (FMJ) handpicking his opponents from 2 weight classes south of his, or relatively green fighters who have just crossed the sands into the limelight, then what makes Guerrero think that he doesn't have a chance?

Actually I do recall him calling out Shane and De La Hoya in interviews and after fights. The problem with these guys are now, they beat one fighter in their division and bam they want to move up. Instead of developing their skills they rush. Like Vargas and other fighters who peaked way too early.
Seek
I think Guerrero would make it an interesting fight. He's definitely a smart fighter, volume puncher, good power and a southpaw. He is of mexican heritage and will get the support from us latinos I can guarentee you that. Especially vs Mayweather. He's got a great story and he's a humble/good talker. With the May 5th date he would be the perfect candidate in terms of selling a fight and making it an event.

However, he is only a lightweight and hasn't done anything spectacular lately to convince anyone that he has a shot at beating Mayweather. Although, he is a real good talker and is making some great points for himself. At this point after beating a big welter weight like Ortiz, Guerrero will be a step backwards. But I still don't rule out Guerrero. Mayweather is the type of guy where if he feels challenged and is given enough motivation, he'll take you on regardless of what anyone may think or say. I'd rather see Mayweather fight the winner of Ortiz Berto and then fight Guerrero if he does anything impressive down the line at 140 or 147.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Seek @ Dec 14 2011, 11:53 AM) *
I think Guerrero would make it an interesting fight. He's definitely a smart fighter, volume puncher, good power and a southpaw. He is of mexican heritage and will get the support from us latinos I can guarentee you that. Especially vs Mayweather. He's got a great story and he's a humble/good talker. With the May 5th date he would be the perfect candidate in terms of selling a fight and making it an event.

However, he is only a lightweight and hasn't done anything spectacular lately to convince anyone that he has a shot at beating Mayweather. Although, he is a real good talker and is making some great points for himself. At this point after beating a big welter weight like Ortiz, Guerrero will be a step backwards. But I still don't rule out Guerrero. Mayweather is the type of guy where if he feels challenged and is given enough motivation, he'll take you on regardless of what anyone may think or say. I'd rather see Mayweather fight the winner of Ortiz Berto and then fight Guerrero if he does anything impressive down the line at 140 or 147.

It would be JMM all over again except JMM actually was well seasoned. Imagine what if would look like against a novice.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Dec 15 2011, 01:34 PM) *
It would be JMM all over again except JMM actually was well seasoned. Imagine what if would look like against a novice.

...and the Nuthugging Chronicles begin in 5, 4, 3, 2,....
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 15 2011, 02:56 PM) *
...and the Nuthugging Chronicles begin in 5, 4, 3, 2,....

How would the fight go down Mr. Hater? I am not a nuthugger. That is not even a real word.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Dec 15 2011, 06:12 PM) *
How would the fight go down Mr. Hater? I am not a nuthugger. That is not even a real word.

Classic nuthugger overall fight prediction: Floyd wins before he even steps in the ring with a guy.
Classic "save my ass line" from a Floyd nuthugger: "_____will give Floyd fits, but Floyd will adjust and win a decision".
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 15 2011, 11:11 PM) *
Classic nuthugger overall fight prediction: Floyd wins before he even steps in the ring with a guy.
Classic "save my ass line" from a Floyd nuthugger: "_____will give Floyd fits, but Floyd will adjust and win a decision".


I didn't say anything of the sort so again Great Asshole how would the fight go? I still say it will be JMM all over again. Guerrero is a lightweight who would be fighting at a heavy weight Welterweight. Can his speed come with and he would be the smaller man. So I see May picking him apart. Guerrero may have some moments but in all a damn blow out.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Dec 15 2011, 10:36 PM) *
I didn't say anything of the sort so again Great Asshole how would the fight go? I still say it will be JMM all over again. Guerrero is a lightweight who would be fighting at a heavy weight Welterweight. Can his speed come with and he would be the smaller man. So I see May picking him apart.


Robert Guerrero:
Height: 5'8
Reach: 70"

Floyd Mayweather:
Height: 5'8
Reach: 72"

JMM:
A freakin' midget!

How would this be a blowout? Sometimes I wonder why I even bother...

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Dec 15 2011, 10:36 PM) *
I didn't say anything of the sort


QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Dec 15 2011, 10:36 PM) *
Guerrero may have some moments but in all a damn blow out.


Soooo...you wait until AFTER I make the statement, then you do it. The crazy part is, you contradicted yourself in the same post no2.gif First you say, "I said nothing of the sort", THEN, you end your post with, "Guerrero will have some moments but in all a damn blowout". Having a blonde moment? Again, I wonder why I even bother...
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 15 2011, 10:55 PM) *
Robert Guerrero:
Height: 5'8
Reach: 70"

Floyd Mayweather:
Height: 5'8
Reach: 72"

JMM:
A freakin' midget!

How would this be a blowout? Sometimes I wonder why I even bother...


Soooo...you wait until AFTER I make the statement, then you do it. The crazy part is, you contradicted yourself in the same post no2.gif First you say, "I said nothing of the sort", THEN, you end your post with, "Guerrero will have some moments but in all a damn blowout". Having a blonde moment? Again, I wonder why I even bother...

Do you realize that just because you are the same height does not mean you have the same body structure? Do you know who Brittany Granier is? Of course you don't/ She is the Center for Baylor University. I think she is 7'1 or something ridiculous, there is also a girl who plays for UConn is the exact same height but this girl at UConn is bulky and has more muscle mass, so she looks a lot bigger than Granier. You do know that just because you are the same height does not mean another person of the same height can have size or body mass on you. Marquez had moments in the fight against Mayweather. I repeat I think it will be a blow out but he will have moments just like JMM. I see this fight exactly like JMM. What ever you are drinking on please put it down. Take your lady to Red Lobster have a drink and come back to earth. You are twisting my words. But anyway pick this post apart too. wtf.gif is a blonde moment? Or did you mean blond moment?
mgrover
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Dec 16 2011, 06:00 AM) *
Do you realize that just because you are the same height does not mean you have the same body structure? Do you know who Brittany Granier is? Of course you don't/ She is the Center for Baylor University. I think she is 7'1 or something ridiculous like a girl who plays for UConn is the exact same height but this gorl at UConn is bulky and has more muscle mass, so she looks a lot bigger than Granier. You do know that just because you are the same height does not mean another person of the same height can have size or body mass on you. Marquez had moments in the fight against Mayweather. I repeat I think it will be a blow out but he will have moments just like JMM. I see this fight exactly like JMM. What ever you are drinking on please put it down. Take your lady to Red Lobster have a drink and come back to earth. You are twisting my words. But anyway pick this post apart too. wtf.gif is a blonde moment? Or did you mean blond moment?



moments? sure nearly losing every round too if guerrerro comes up in weight properly like marquez did the second time, then he'll be fine on that aspect but with blood testing will that be possible
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (mgrover @ Dec 16 2011, 05:15 AM) *
moments? sure nearly losing every round too if guerrerro comes up in weight properly like marquez did the second time, then he'll be fine on that aspect but with blood testing will that be possible


You bring up a great point with the weight issue. If Mayweather come in at a higher weight then what? JMM had some moments in the fight, he never hurt Mayweather it just gave the fans something to cheer about. Again I see the Guerror fight being similar.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Dec 16 2011, 01:00 AM) *
You do know that just because you are the same height does not mean another person of the same height can have size or body mass on you. Marquez had moments in the fight against Mayweather. I repeat I think it will be a blow out but he will have moments just like JMM. I see this fight exactly like JMM. What ever you are drinking on please put it down. Take your lady to Red Lobster have a drink and come back to earth. You are twisting my words. But anyway pick this post apart too. wtf.gif is a blonde moment? Or did you mean blond moment?

What freakin' moments did JMM have in the Mayweather fight??? Please, I'll wait! The only thing I saw land was that overhand left/right in the second round, which did nothing but make Floyd laugh and floor JMM just seconds later. Again, WHAT MOMENTS? Your words and thoughts got twisted up before they even flew out of your mouth or before you posted them, so you left me no work to do in regards to that. I NEED a drink right now after reading your post, but again, for the sake of maintaining employment, I will wait til later.

I absolutely agree with you in regards to the height vs weight/mass. Its the truth for the most part. Sadly, you had to drift off to another sport to help me get the point. Its not that I didn't get it, its the fact that you couldn't relate it to boxing. Now, if I was THAT slow and couldn't understand, then I would've taken your example as a great one (which it was), with no question. Since you constantly go out of your way to talk about the Mayweather/Corrales fight (and get owned afterwards), let's compare the height/weight issue to Diego Corrales (R.I.P.)

Corrales was tall as hell for the lower weights, but what happened when he moved up, the weight didn't agree with his height. Either that was the case, or he had very bad habits outside of the ring, though the weight/height issue was more than likely the primary issue of concern. You're right, just because guys are the same height, doesn't mean that they're built the same, let alone, able to carry the weight properly. Since I just said "properly", I will continue that portion when I get to Checkleft's post, since he pretty much enlightened me on that.

And PLEASE, dont say ANYTHING about my spelling. You have absolutley NO ROOM to talk about anybody's spelling. "Blond" has been spelled with an 'e', just as "whisky" can be spelled with an 'e' (whiskey). If I didn't know you any better, your life & death battles with spelling on this board would've led me to believe that you were a troll, and I would've got rid of you a long time ago laugh.gif ALL of your posts end the same way..."This post has been edited by Allmenjoi:" laugh.gif Again, get your ducks in a row sweetheart rtfm.gif

QUOTE (mgrover @ Dec 16 2011, 04:15 AM) *
moments? sure nearly losing every round too if guerrerro comes up in weight properly like marquez did the second time, then he'll be fine on that aspect but with blood testing will that be possible

+1

You said it just right...come up in weight PROPERLY like Marquez did the second time. A blood test should be given (just as Floyd never fails to mention), and he has every right to do it in this case as well. As bad as some of these fighters are publicly whoring for a Mayweather/Pacquiao fight, there's no telling what extremes they will go to, just to have as much of an edge they could possibly have.

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Dec 16 2011, 07:42 AM) *
You bring up a great point with the weight issue. If Mayweather come in at a higher weight then what? JMM had some moments in the fight, he never hurt Mayweather it just gave the fans something to cheer about. Again I see the Guerror fight being similar.

Both Mayweather and Marquez were wrong about their weights in that fight. Mayweather more than likely 160 lbs on fight night, and he did nothing to even attempt to make the weight...he just forked over the penalty money. Marquez went about making the weight in all the wrong ways. We haven't seen Floyd come in as big as he did in the JMM, since then. Again, stop saying that JMM had his moments in that fight...just let it die already. There's no truth to that statement.
Seek
Are you saying Mayweather was 160 lbs vs Marquez on fight night? That's ridiculous. First of all there is no proof of that. Second, maybe he 'looked' bigger than normal because he was in there with a bloated JMM. Mayweather weighed 150 vs De La Hoya on fight night, actually losing 2 lbs from his official weigh in weight of 152 I believe. And most recently vs Ortiz he weighed in at 150 on fight night. Those are pretty much the only times HBO announced his weight on fight night. There is no way Floyd weighed anywhere near 160 vs Marquez. Not a chance.
sduck
Guerrero is like every other fighter who wants a big payday. However, I have no idea why people are gassing up Robert Guerrero... Maybe because he's a southpaw that can hit hard? I mean that's what people expect when they give someone a chance to beat Floyd Mayweather. You know, a good puncher; puncher's chance. I'm gonna be quite honest, I don't see anyone right now beating Floyd Mayweather, not until age gives up on him.

This fight would be nothing like the Mayweather-Marquez. I don't even know where Allmenjoi gets that idea. It'd probably be most similar to the Mayweather-Corley fight. I doubt Guerrero would ever get this fight. I do want to see him fight other fighters like Marquez, Maidana, Matthysse, and Broner.

I think someone else mentioned Amir Khan... I don't care what Khan haters say, Khan will always give Mayweather a tough fight to me. The fighters that give Mayweather the most trouble are fighters with quick hands and/or fighters that ignore punishment. Khan has very quick hands, a jab, not just a jab, but a jab he actually uses. Whens the last time Floyd Mayweather fought a pure boxer? Genaro Hernandez? Maybe Zab Judah.
In Khan's last fight, the thing about Peterson is that he sold out his face to bring pressure and fight him on the inside, knowing he wouldn't outbox Khan. Khan was trying to stick to his plan to outbox Peterson, knowing Peterson was better on the inside. It was anyone's game and the best man won. Now the thing about Mayweather is that he's not going to sell his condition to try and pressure Khan like Peterson did, he will probably be forced to be the aggressor, but he still will try to box Khan, which Khan's reach and hand speed will give him lots of trouble. Mayweather will still win the fight, being the smarter and more skilled boxer. Khan's biggest issue is that he likes to start off explosive and gas himself out. I also don't think he has the power for any sort of puncher's chance. I can see Mayweather winning just about every round, but it won't be a walk in the park, maybe not till the late rounds.

Cshel86, I don't know if you're trying to use Corrales' weight just to suss Allmenjoi out or not, but I don't think weight had any issue for Corrales. He was simply too slow, flat-footed, with no jab, to stand any chance against Mayweather's pure boxing style. And the bolded part is just pure ownage laugh.gif
sduck
QUOTE (Seek @ Dec 16 2011, 01:10 PM) *
Are you saying Mayweather was 160 lbs vs Marquez on fight night? That's ridiculous. First of all there is no proof of that. Second, maybe he 'looked' bigger than normal because he was in there with a bloated JMM. Mayweather weighed 150 vs De La Hoya on fight night, actually losing 2 lbs from his official weigh in weight of 152 I believe. And most recently vs Ortiz he weighed in at 150 on fight night. Those are pretty much the only times HBO announced his weight on fight night. There is no way Floyd weighed anywhere near 160 vs Marquez. Not a chance.

That's true, like when he fought Ortiz, that was probably the biggest he ever looked but only came in at 150. That's not the only times, they announced his weight for Judah and Baldomir at 147, and many more times at lower weight classes.
Seek
QUOTE (sduck @ Dec 16 2011, 02:24 PM) *
That's true, like when he fought Ortiz, that was probably the biggest he ever looked but only came in at 150. That's not the only times, they announced his weight for Judah and Baldomir at 147, and many more times at lower weight classes.


Right well I know they didn't vs Marquez and Mosley. Not sure if they did with Hatton but i'm leaning towards no. But honestly how is there any logic in saying Mayweather came in at 160 when he has consistently weighed in at 150 on fight night?
Cshel86
QUOTE (Seek @ Dec 16 2011, 01:10 PM) *
Are you saying Mayweather was 160 lbs vs Marquez on fight night? That's ridiculous. First of all there is no proof of that. Second, maybe he 'looked' bigger than normal because he was in there with a bloated JMM. Mayweather weighed 150 vs De La Hoya on fight night, actually losing 2 lbs from his official weigh in weight of 152 I believe. And most recently vs Ortiz he weighed in at 150 on fight night. Those are pretty much the only times HBO announced his weight on fight night. There is no way Floyd weighed anywhere near 160 vs Marquez. Not a chance.

Yep, Im sure he was 160 or AT LEAST 158 the night he fought Marquez. There is a chance. Marquez weighed 148 on fight night against Floyd and Floyd didn't allow them to weigh him on the unofficial scales, so yeah...thats a clear indicator, being the fact that he weighed in at 146 the day before. He was already catching flack about JMM being smaller from jump, so why even get on the unofficial scale and prove to people that he was waaaay bigger than JMM?

As far as the De La Hoya fight, he may have came down 2 pounds overnight, but thats according to his word, so we dont have sufficient evidence. Neither one of them were weighed on the unofficial scales, so we dont know. He weighed in at 150 at the weigh-in of the De La Hoya fight, and Oscar hit the 154 lb mark.

You're right, he did gain only 3 pounds overnight for the Ortiz fight, but that was only after about a 13-14 month lay-off (if you exclude the weeks that he started training) vs a 21 month lay-off before the JMM fight. HBO has announced his official weights in more than a few of his fights. He was 146 at the weigh-in AND on the unofficial scale for the Judah fight. He was 136.5 for the Corrales fight, 138 for the 2nd Castillo bout, 149 for the Baldomir fight, 142 for Brusseles, and a few others.
Cshel86
QUOTE (sduck @ Dec 16 2011, 01:14 PM) *
Cshel86, I don't know if you're trying to use Corrales' weight just to suss Allmenjoi out or not, but I don't think weight had any issue for Corrales. He was simply too slow, flat-footed, with no jab, to stand any chance against Mayweather's pure boxing style.

laugh.gif

I was using Corrales's height (very tall for the lower weights) and "expected" weight gain to fill in that tall frame, to prove that it doesn't work for everybody...especially if its not done properly. I wasn't using it in comparison to his performance (or lack there of) against Floyd. I was actually giving her credit for saying that not everybody thats the same height, actually look the same and have the same mass and so forth. I just took it a step further by adding Corrales in there.

QUOTE (sduck @ Dec 16 2011, 01:24 PM) *
That's true, like when he fought Ortiz, that was probably the biggest he ever looked but only came in at 150. That's not the only times, they announced his weight for Judah and Baldomir at 147, and many more times at lower weight classes.

+1

Though I tend to disagree about him looking the biggest against Ortiz. I actaully felt that he looked his biggest/strongest against Mosley, but we dont have unofficial weights for that fight, so I can roll with your point about the Ortiz fight, since the weight actually announced.
Seek
It's still speculation. I just highly doubt he weighed in anywhere near 160 vs Marquez on fight night. 148 vs DLH and 150 vs Ortiz are clear indicators he doesn't rehydrate very much at all.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Seek @ Dec 16 2011, 02:00 PM) *
It's still speculation. I just highly doubt he weighed in anywhere near 160 vs Marquez on fight night. 148 vs DLH and 150 vs Ortiz are clear indicators he doesn't rehydrate very much at all.

Let's just roll with the 150 in the Ortiz fight. That 148 that FMJ hollered about in the post-fight interview were his words and his words only. History has proven, that not everything that comes out of FMJ's mouth is the truth. I still believe that he was close to the 160 mark in the JMM fight, but thats just my take on it. Im sure he would've been proud to show off 150 (4 lbs of rehydration), but something tells me that he was more than 150.
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