QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 28 2011, 02:57 PM)
the gold medal...oscar being a pretty boy....and being a mexican from east los angeles all made the road a lot easier for him than floyd. arum seems to have an easier time promoting mexicans and filipinos and typically shelves black fighters. the times also had something to do with oscars quicker/easier rise....he came at a time when more than a few legends were at the end of their careers. the same formula was used for both fighters though...arum has great matchmakers who are very good at picking opposition that helps build a fighters record and helps them learn in the process. these guys both have/had amazing talent and that is also a huge part...but make no mistake about it....them making it to the top did not happen by accident. there was a lot of careful planning that went into both stars.
Oscar's timing and promotional team, made it possible for him to kick down the doors of stardom. I dont think Floyd was supposed to be the star that he is today, especially if he stayed with Arum. Im sure that the "Money Mayweather" image was far from Arum's mind while building FMJ up. You must agree, that its much easier to build Hispanic fighters, than it is to build African American fighters. Im sure that the reason Floyd didn't get the fights that he wanted back then, was because of money.
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 28 2011, 03:02 PM)
a close look at oscars resume will reveal a lot of truths....his biggest wins came against guys who were past their primes or were fighting out of their weightclass. when everything was equal, he struggled or lost.
Yep! Oscar got more of the big fights because he was physically bigger than Floyd anyhow. There weren't as many big fights at Floyd's weight, than there were at WW and JMW, at that time. Though Oscar lost most of the big fights, the fact that those names are on his resume, seems to count for something.
QUOTE (streetlion1 @ Dec 29 2011, 12:15 AM)
When Floyd could have fought Margarito he was fighting guys like Baldomir...when he could have fought an undefeated Cotto he fought Hatton and pulled out his retirement card. The toughest win in his career was vs DLH at 154 when Oscar still had skills....besides vs Castillo 1 where I believe Castillo beat him. My point is...at Welter Floyd hasnt done what other "great" fighters have done and thats fight all the top guys in their division.
To certain extent, I agree with you. There's no need to even compare WW careers between the two, because there's no comparison (as you mentioned). Margarito wouldn't have been a good fight for Floyd, regardless. Losing to a great fighter, can do either two things...upgrade you, or totally screw your career. Had Margarito fought FMJ and lost, then Margarito wouldn't have been worth shit to this day (as if he was even worth it in the first place). The world still didn't know who he was, so losing to Floyd (possibly), would've set him further back...so beating Cotto was his claim to fame, no matter how tainted the victory was.
The Baldomir fight was Floyd's best move at that point in time, though the fight was dull. It officially put Floyd in the WW talks after winning the lineal title. I disagree with you saying that Oscar was Floyd's toughest fight, if anything, it was his richest bout (at the time). Castillo still holds that torch, and we can even throw Emmanuel Augustus in there as well.