QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 2 2012, 10:08 AM)
Well observe this...the next time you decide to go outside of the current subject (Gamboa/Rios) and bring up other stuff (Pacquiao/Mosley) to illustrate your point, then be sure you're prepared to be tested or questioned on it. Sounds like you didn't do well in that department.
You brought up the Mosley knockdown to explain how a smaller man can hurt a bigger man, or a man who has been hurt by bigger punchers. How was the punch not even important, when it was the shot that dropped Mosley and also helped to drive your point about how a smaller man can hurt a bigger man who has been hit by bigger guys/punchers?
So, I suggest that the next time you decide to go outside of the subject to illustrate your point, just be prepared for whatever comes along with it. Truthfully, I did agree with your point and simply challenged you on the punch...trust me, had we had more "not so nice" posters around here like we used to, you would've caught hell for that amongst other things.
So please, dont start getting off topic talking about how Im condescending and such, because you've been challenged on your point and had a hard time explaining it (I guess). Instead of explaining it, you decided to downplay it and turn the situation around on me, not good. Trust me, I've been challenged around here plenty of times, it happens. Seriously, you're acting like Im giving you the 3rd degree...not true at all my man.
How was the punch not important? maybe because i didn't even focus on the punch in the first mention of the Manny/Shane example.
"he might be a bit too willing, anyone who fights like that is eventually gonna meet a guy who can just crack. Its not always the biggest guy either, I bet Shane never expected to get dropped by Manny, Shane's chin has been throughly tested with only Vernon Forrest (I think) previously dropping him. Then he gets tagged with one lil short left
by Manny and he's "chilling on the couch"
. Can Gamboa cause that in Rios? Unlikely, but def within the realms of possibility i'd say.."
Was just tryna say, Rios being able to take shots and seemingly love it, doesn't mean he can just walk through Gamboa's shots, he could quite feasibly end up "chilling on the couch" too imo. I think I made that point well enough and went on to do so again in other posts in response to you. Considering that my point was that, and NOT what punch (or whether or not its thrown from an angle etc) needs to be landed on a tough chinned guy to hurt him, i 'd say I did do well in that department actually
UNLESS, your main gripe was that Shane was never actually hurt by that shot, and it was just a flash knockdown/off balance type event. I'd disagree with that, and even you said "Im not saying that the punch didn't hurt Shane". So really, what does it matter about the type of punch? If your main gripe was me telling you to watch the fight again and then getting that punch detail wrong, you could've just said that and continued the debate. Instead you say your not gonna bother reading or responding to the rest of my post. Now that's perfectly fine too, but in the rest of my post I went on to explain my point. I didn't downplay anything, I just agreed with you that i got that detail wrong and looked to continue the rest of the debate as i felt that point and the others I made were still valid.
I mean you kept saying "please don't make him out to be some world beater", when all i had actually said was, I think Gamboa KOing Rios was "within the realms of possibility", like having that opinion is akin to considering dude a "world beater"?! Then u went on about me "blurting out BS" when all i'd said was Manny dropped Shane, and he's a lot smaller."Instead of explaining it, you decided to downplay it and turn the situation around on me, not good. Trust me, I've been challenged around here plenty of times, it happens."
I think the amount of responses and their content i put on here should sufficiently prove that i actually did explain it, only downplayed YOUR focus on the minor (and it is minor imo) mistake I made, which is prob why you feel i tried to "turn the situation around" on you. I wasn't tryna do that, just explaining myself, since it seemed to be required...
Anyway, this has gone on rather long and fully strayed off the OP. Plus since it was started Cotto vs Floyd was confirmed and possibly Manny vs Bradley, this Gamboa/Rios fight has yet to be confirmed (to my knowledge). I'm a leave this till it has, i did hear Todd Duboef mention something about April 14th tho...