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Jovi
Strange coincidence: The whole situation with the Chavez vs Rubio fight and the absence of PED testing. Think its kinda suspicious how for some reason in this fight they didn't do it for whatever reason. So then i go and play six degrees of seperation. Chavez is a boxing star (mainly due to his father's legacy), he is under the "Top Rank" Promotion Co. hmmm which also house's Manny pacquiao, who had been linked to a PED scandal after refusing to take an Olympic style drug testing approach from Mayweather...haha and i just remembered that "Top Rank" also houses Antonio Margacheato..hmm fishy fishy fishy rtfm.gif lol
HazConvictedFelonMane
QUOTE (Jovi @ Feb 8 2012, 10:56 AM) *
Strange coincidence: The whole situation with the Chavez vs Rubio fight and the absence of PED testing. Think its kinda suspicious how for some reason in this fight they didn't do it for whatever reason. So then i go and play six degrees of seperation. Chavez is a boxing star (mainly due to his father's legacy), he is under the "Top Rank" Promotion Co. hmmm which also house's Manny pacquiao, who had been linked to a PED scandal after refusing to take an Olympic style drug testing approach from Mayweather...haha and i just remembered that "Top Rank" also houses Antonio Margacheato..hmm fishy fishy fishy rtfm.gif lol


What do you really expect from a company that has a crooked ass boss? Arum was under investigation for fixing fights. He was already in trouble for bribery before. What do you expect? It's like what Big Meech from BMF said "If you have a robbin' ass boss, you're going to be a robbin' ass crew". The events that transpired this past weekend can cast a crazy shadow on the sport as a whole. When does someone agree to PED testing in the contract but one of the participants can wiggle his way around them without any consequences? I guess the answer to that question is JCC Jr. in San Antonio. Another something to consider is the Pacman's back to back fights in Texas. Those fights that took place during the height of his own PED scandal. He refused to take a 40 million dollar drug test to go fight in a state where someone like Chavez can straight lace get away without taking a PED test. Chavez is a cheater. He's already been nabbed so when he ducks a test, I'm pretty sure I can figure out why all by myself.
Cshel86
Best believe all of this shit will get swept under the rug...
mgrover
damnn just not so long ago i said somebody hasnt spewed up any bullshit about peds, well in the chavez cause theres a strong possibility that he is on peds, i mean it can explain why hes getting drinking and drugging up and still performing well, he was caught with a drug that cleanses the blood, i cant think of a better term, so he could of just been on coke or any or class A drug that can make a fight a NC such as weed. as for the whole cause manny pac is with top rank well so has mayweather and delahoya so there obvious keen drug users wink.gif
Franchize
Crazy part is, PEDs aren't the only signs of cheating that Freddie Roach and Top Rank are linked to. It never gets talked about, but Oscar's gloves were wrapped illegally against Floyd Mayweather. There wasn't any foreign substance or anything but they were wrapped in an illegal way. Before Floyd haters jump on my back, Freddie Roach said it himself. This is why there was a dust up before the De La Hoya vs Pacquiao fight. Roach said Oscar wraps his hands illegally and did so in the Mayweather fight. He made every effort to make sure Oscar didn't wrap them the same way vs Manny. Only problem is, he was Oscar's trainer when Oscar fought Floyd. Therefore, he's admitting he allowed De La Hoya to cheat vs Mayweather. Cheating has been going on in boxing for ages. I don't know what's worse. The cheating or the media fools who ridicule fighters for wanting to expose it.
checkleft
Not hard to believe, manny wraps illegally too from complaints that have been as you guys said pushed under the rug. Chavez has been caught on diaretics to cut weight too so it shouldn't be a surprise. Odds are if it walks like a duck talks like a duck then its probably chavez pacquiao or Haye..
Cshel86
Funny thing is, this fight happened almost a week ago and nobody's taken any action, thus far. So, whatever could've possibly been in his system (possibly being the operative word here), it sure as hell could be gone (or almost gone) by now.

With that said, how in hell could they possibly test him for anything right now? The testing procedures that they use now are poo-poo and extensive testing seems to make everybody's ass hurt when brought up, so again, how can the commission test him something at this point?

The WBC has already answered to the concern with some lazy, half-ass rhetoric, by stating, "We forgot". Translation: "We really dont give a rat's ass anyway. Besides, nobody got hurt in the fight, so there's no reason to make it a big deal."
mgrover
till someone dies in a fight were the fighter thats still standing is the one that used PEDs I doubt we'll see a change in boxing. I wouldn't mind OSDT, but at the same time I think the current system if applied properly, without bullshit like last weekend would be effective, and has been effective.
Plah
QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 8 2012, 02:41 PM) *
till someone dies in a fight were the fighter thats still standing is the one that used PEDs I doubt we'll see a change in boxing. I wouldn't mind OSDT, but at the same time I think the current system if applied properly, without bullshit like last weekend would be effective, and has been effective.


That system never caught Mosley.
mgrover
QUOTE (Plah @ Feb 8 2012, 09:32 PM) *
That system never caught Mosley.


i said effective, i never said perfect
Jovi
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 8 2012, 02:14 PM) *
Funny thing is, this fight happened almost a week ago and nobody's taken any action, thus far. So, whatever could've possibly been in his system (possibly being the operative word here), it sure as hell could be gone (or almost gone) by now.

With that said, how in hell could they possibly test him for anything right now? The testing procedures that they use now are poo-poo and extensive testing seems to make everybody's ass hurt when brought up, so again, how can the commission test him something at this point?

The WBC has already answered to the concern with some lazy, half-ass rhetoric, by stating, "We forgot". Translation: "We really dont give a rat's ass anyway. Besides, nobody got hurt in the fight, so there's no reason to make it a big deal."


Haha that picture of cotto keeps making me laugh, he looks like he was in the Matrix lol
Franchize
I think until we have Random Blood Testing, the sport will always be tainted. Even with, theres still chances, but without, they are greater. Urine test don't detect HGH. It takes at least one week to eliminate HGH and similar drugs from the system (which explains why some fighters would want a cut off). Why are the higher ups completely ignoring this? I think it's because they really don't care or want to know.
Cheesey1
The Chavez testing thing is ridiculous. Talk about complete disrespect for the fans.

Random testing would be great.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Jovi @ Feb 8 2012, 08:50 PM) *
Haha that picture of cotto keeps making me laugh, he looks like he was in the Matrix lol

Cotto Reloaded!

QUOTE (Franchize @ Feb 9 2012, 04:48 PM) *
I think until we have Random Blood Testing, the sport will always be tainted. Even with, theres still chances, but without, they are greater. Urine test don't detect HGH. It takes at least one week to eliminate HGH and similar drugs from the system (which explains why some fighters would want a cut off). Why are the higher ups completely ignoring this? I think it's because they really don't care or want to know.

It's all about money. For instance, IF Manny "happens to be" using PEDs, why would anyone open their mouth and fuck up the flow of money? Seriously, his team is making a killing off of him, and Im sure there are more people in the sport making money off of his name since he's had such a big impact on boxing.
Franchize
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 9 2012, 10:12 PM) *
Cotto Reloaded!


It's all about money. For instance, IF Manny "happens to be" using PEDs, why would anyone open their mouth and fuck up the flow of money? Seriously, his team is making a killing off of him, and Im sure there are more people in the sport making money off of his name since he's had such a big impact on boxing.


Yea,I totally agree. A good friend of mine is friends with Manny. He goes to all of Manny's fights and chills with him before and after. Sometimes he even runs with Manny and Alex. He said that it's sad how many people use Manny. As much of a defender he is of Manny, he said it's partly his fault. "Manny is too nice and doesn't know how to say no." That being said, he confirmed what I've been preaching for years. Arum and others have benefitted from the fact that they found this young,marketable FOREIGN kid, who isn't used to much, sold him a dream of more and they're milking him for all he's worth. Problem is, theres a huge disparity between MORE and MOST in Manny's case. Manny hasn't even come close to the money he should be making. I think a lot of people overlook the fact that he's a foreigner from a poor country, being a huge factor in why he's been exploited so easily.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Franchize @ Feb 10 2012, 08:43 AM) *
Yea,I totally agree. A good friend of mine is friends with Manny. He goes to all of Manny's fights and chills with him before and after. Sometimes he even runs with Manny and Alex. He said that it's sad how many people use Manny. As much of a defender he is of Manny, he said it's partly his fault. "Manny is too nice and doesn't know how to say no." That being said, he confirmed what I've been preaching for years. Arum and others have benefitted from the fact that they found this young,marketable FOREIGN kid, who isn't used to much, sold him a dream of more and they're milking him for all he's worth. Problem is, theres a huge disparity between MORE and MOST in Manny's case. Manny hasn't even come close to the money he should be making. I think a lot of people overlook the fact that he's a foreigner from a poor country, being a huge factor in why he's been exploited so easily.

While Manny isn't getting the best financial deal from Big Pimpin', he knows exactly what he's doing and he's fine with it. It's all a game by them. Good cop/bad cop. The final straw for me was the ridiculous comment that Freddie Roach recently made about how if Pacquaio's fighting a dirty fighter and the dirty fighter hits him low, even if Freddie Roach tells him to retaliate he won't. You're trying to tell me that a kid who grew up on the streets never had to fight dirty to survive? Puhleaze!
As far as being a poor kid from a foreign country, I don't think that he signed with them because he didn't know any better. At the time that he signed with Big Pimpin' there was a furious bidding war between them and Golden Boy, so it wasn't as if he hadn't seen big numbers before. I'm convinced that he knows exactly what he's doing.

Big Pimpin' FTW!!
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