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Cshel86
Seriously guys, Im sure that the results of the first Alexander/Bradley fight, left a bad taste in everybody's mouth...well at least it did for me. With that said, I didn't hear many people demanding a rematch, but Im sure we can all agree with that the bout was promoted and set up all wrong. It got little attention, and the location was a bummer.

At this point in time, Alexander has fought fought Bradley once, had a "less than pleasing" fight with Matthysse, and dominantly beat the odds against Maidana in his WW debut. Bardley is fighting Pacquiao this summer, so Im sure more people will know who he is, this time around.

Im not sure how Top Rank and Golden Boy will work this one out (if there's a chance) but I think people would want to see it again after all this time has passed. I believe the first fight was premature, but that's just me. I have more points, but I dont want to kill any responses.

Thoughts?
checkleft
Didn't Bradley fight abregu at 147?.. I would have to see how Bradley looks in the pac fight because he looks fat right now. But I would take Bradley still, theirs a difference between turning maidana and Tim
Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 27 2012, 02:00 PM) *
Didn't Bradley fight abregu at 147?.. I would have to see how Bradley looks in the pac fight because he looks fat right now. But I would take Bradley still, theirs a difference between turning maidana and Tim

Yep, and he didn't look all that bad as far as carrying the weight. Problem is, he hit Abregu with everything but the kitchen sink and made little impact on him. Same shit, a bunch of of wide and wild ass punches, some head action, and feather fists.

This guy had an interview and pretty much alluded to the fact of "not being able to wait to feel one of Pac's punches, just to see what the fuss is about". Last time I checked, the object of fighting Pac, is to hit and not get hit...as much as possible that is.

checkleft
Yea if he's planning on getting hit he's not gonna go far. He did stun abregu a few times if I remember but they mostly looked like he was just startled he was hit
Allmenjoi8
It depends on how well Bradley does. If he gets KO'd by Pac then no. Alexander's stock may rise and a rematch with Bradley maybe risky. If Alexander keeps improving then he maybe in the Mayweather and Pacquiao sweepstakes. If Bradley beats Pacquiao then Alexander is out of the picture. It is Mayweather or bust.

Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 27 2012, 02:45 PM) *
Yea if he's planning on getting hit he's not gonna go far.

I dont think any of these fighters should be in the business of finding out if they can take their opponent's punch, but sadly, there are some crazy ones out there that dont care. For this to be his biggest fight, that should be the last risk that he's willing to take.

Cshel86
Bradley can either go back down to 140 is he loses, or it depends on well he looks losing, he can take a few good fights at WW...one being against Alexander. At this point, both guys will be known/somewhat known if a rematch is ever discussed.

Devon just didn't do shit in their first outing, and it's obvious who fought better opposition afterwards. He's had his bumps in the road, and it's time he makes the most of this opportunity. He made a statement with his last fight, especially if he wants to be taken seriously.

It's obvious Maidana just wasn't all there, and anybody can look good against him in spurts, win or lose. Now, he has to step on the gas a bit and apply that same fight game against guys who can move and so forth.

After he gets the winner of Berto/Ortiz (if it happens), then he will be in a demanding position...a position to "righten his wrongs" so to speak, so a Bradley fight could be his next move. I honestly have him in a better outing if he faces Tim again, anyone agree???
Hotsauce
if these guys are in the same division and keep winning, people will demand a rematch
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 27 2012, 02:32 PM) *
Yep, and he didn't look all that bad as far as carrying the weight. Problem is, he hit Abregu with everything but the kitchen sink and made little impact on him. Same shit, a bunch of of wide and wild ass punches, some head action, and feather fists.

This guy had an interview and pretty much alluded to the fact of "not being able to wait to feel one of Pac's punches, just to see what the fuss is about". Last time I checked, the object of fighting Pac, is to hit and not get hit...as much as possible that is.


abregu has never been stopped, he's a bigger guy than bradley and he was undefeated. bradley has never really been a big puncher...but he has a respectable punch.

bradley, like marquez...will not be weight drained so the impact of pac's punches will be less severe. him getting hit by pac is inevitable...
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 27 2012, 10:35 AM) *
Seriously guys, Im sure that the results of the first Alexander/Bradley fight, left a bad taste in everybody's mouth...well at least it did for me. With that said, I didn't hear many people demanding a rematch, but Im sure we can all agree with that the bout was promoted and set up all wrong. It got little attention, and the location was a bummer.

At this point in time, Alexander has fought fought Bradley once, had a "less than pleasing" fight with Matthysse, and dominantly beat the odds against Maidana in his WW debut. Bardley is fighting Pacquiao this summer, so Im sure more people will know who he is, this time around.

Im not sure how Top Rank and Golden Boy will work this one out (if there's a chance) but I think people would want to see it again after all this time has passed. I believe the first fight was premature, but that's just me. I have more points, but I dont want to kill any responses.

Thoughts?


i agree...the fight was premature and should have been promoted better. i was disappointed in the ending...i wanted something more definitive...but make no mistake about it...bradley broke alexander down and was taking things away from him systematically. alexander saying he couldn't see was his way out of the inevitable ass whoopin. laugh.gif

fighting alexander after pac will be a step backwards. beating pac would only leave one obvious opponent afterwards and that's floyd. if he loses to pac....then i say make the alexander rematch.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 27 2012, 03:10 PM) *
I dont think any of these fighters should be in the business of finding out if they can take their opponent's punch, but sadly, there are some crazy ones out there that dont care. For this to be his biggest fight, that should be the last risk that he's willing to take.


every fighter gets hit. some less than others....but they all feel each others punch.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 27 2012, 03:44 PM) *
i agree...the fight was premature and should have been promoted better. i was disappointed in the ending...i wanted something more definitive...but make no mistake about it...bradley broke alexander down and was taking things away from him systematically. alexander saying he couldn't see was his way out of the inevitable ass whoopin. laugh.gif

fighting alexander after pac will be a step backwards. beating pac would only leave one obvious opponent afterwards and that's floyd. if he loses to pac....then i say make the alexander rematch.

Truthfully, I didn't see either of them doing much in the first fight...Bradley was just busier and acted like he wanted it. Still though, not much happened. I may need to go back and watch it though...since the "nothingness" is still stuck in my head laugh.gif

Honestly, where can Bradley go after fighting the 1A/1B fighter in the sport. Win or lose, if Floyd (1A/1B fighter in the sport) wont give him a chance, then he has no choice but to look over his shoulder.

At this point, Alexander is trailing him, being the fact that he (Devon) may just get the winner of Berto/Ortiz. So, if Devon fights the winner of Berto/Ortiz, then what meaningful fight will Bradley have?...especially since Khan and Peterson will be fighting again.

Suggestions?
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 27 2012, 03:45 PM) *
every fighter gets hit. some less than others....but they all feel each others punch.

I wasn't doubting that, but again, I was speaking of guys like Rios, Maidana, Margarito, etc., who can give two shits about taking a punch. Those guys have nothing to lose, unlike Bradley, who doesn't need to get the urge wanna feel a Pacquiao punch.

Bradley always makes a point of defending his headbutts by bringing up the "southpaw vs conventional fighter" explanation. Pac's a southpaw, but that straight left comes fast as lightning, and usually starts all of the trouble.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 27 2012, 03:50 PM) *
Truthfully, I didn't see either of them doing much in the first fight...Bradley was just busier and acted like he wanted it. Still though, not much happened. I may need to go back and watch it though...since the "nothingness" is still stuck in my head laugh.gif

Honestly, where can Bradley go after fighting the 1A/1B fighter in the sport. Win or lose, if Floyd (1A/1B fighter in the sport) wont give him a chance, then he has no choice but to look over his shoulder.

At this point, Alexander is trailing him, being the fact that he (Devon) may just get the winner of Berto/Ortiz. So, if Devon fights the winner of Berto/Ortiz, then what meaningful fight will Bradley have?...especially since Khan and Peterson will be fighting again.

Suggestions?


for the record...i was never one of the ppl who believed bradley ducked khan at 140. in my eyes...beating alexander made him the best in the division. it would have been nice to see him unify at 140...but at this point, the way everything played out...i still believe he was the best at 140 and has nothing else to prove there. he played his cards right and now is in the best position possible at this point. beating pac only leads to him going all in and rolling the dice with floyd. wins against those two will stamp him as the best at 147 too. styles make fights...and taking steps backwards (especially if he can beat pac) against alexander or the berto/ortiz winner will be great for fans and will put a decent amount of money in his pocket. i'd watch any of those match ups....but i wanna see him go for it all. if khan can beat peterson convincingly, then maybe u make that fight too. if peterson wins...he may be option 3 or 4.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 27 2012, 03:57 PM) *
I wasn't doubting that, but again, I was speaking of guys like Rios, Maidana, Margarito, etc., who can give two shits about taking a punch. Those guys have nothing to lose, unlike Bradley, who doesn't need to get the urge wanna feel a Pacquiao punch.

Bradley always makes a point of defending his headbutts by bringing up the "southpaw vs conventional fighter" explanation. Pac's a southpaw, but that straight left comes fast as lightning, and usually starts all of the trouble.


bradley has always had decent defense. i can't see him pulling a mayorga and giving pac free shots. he's much more refined than rios, maidana and margarito. i agree....pac is a great puncher...but he's been a great puncher against guys that weren't fully hydrated. bradley will be fully hydrated.
BigFightFan
With Alexander's recent performance and if Bradley looks good against PAC, why not?
Cshel86
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Feb 27 2012, 05:20 PM) *
With Alexander's recent performance and if Bradley looks good against PAC, why not?

I can see it happening, at least sometime next year if not in the fall.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 27 2012, 04:05 PM) *
for the record...i was never one of the ppl who believed bradley ducked khan at 140. in my eyes...beating alexander made him the best in the division. it would have been nice to see him unify at 140...but at this point, the way everything played out...i still believe he was the best at 140 and has nothing else to prove there. he played his cards right and now is in the best position possible at this point. beating pac only leads to him going all in and rolling the dice with floyd. wins against those two will stamp him as the best at 147 too. styles make fights...and taking steps backwards (especially if he can beat pac) against alexander or the berto/ortiz winner will be great for fans and will put a decent amount of money in his pocket. i'd watch any of those match ups....but i wanna see him go for it all. if khan can beat peterson convincingly, then maybe u make that fight too. if peterson wins...he may be option 3 or 4.

I didn't believe he ducked him either, and I was on his side with the contract issues. It got annoying and evident that he ducked, once he said, "Forget Khan, I want Mayweather and Pacquio", THAT'S when it did it for me. Im sure he wanted to make money, but that doubt of Khan derailing him, was a bit overwhelming for him.

I cant say that the Alexander fight cemented him as the best at 140, if anything, the way the fight went, it just turned things sour. Even if he beats Pac, Im wondering how that makes him the best at 147, when he has no trail at WW. Sorry, I just dont see how that's possible.

Again, if he wins or loses to Pac, and cant get a Mayweather fight, then where does go? Exactly, he has to go backwards and fight somebody. Thats the only choice that he's left with, being the fact that he managed to pass go and collect his $200, well, more like $5M laugh.gif

daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 27 2012, 05:44 PM) *
I didn't believe he ducked him either, and I was on his side with the contract issues. It got annoying and evident that he ducked, once he said, "Forget Khan, I want Mayweather and Pacquio", THAT'S when it did it for me. Im sure he wanted to make money, but that doubt of Khan derailing him, was a bit overwhelming for him.

I cant say that the Alexander fight cemented him as the best at 140, if anything, the way the fight went, it just turned things sour. Even if he beats Pac, Im wondering how that makes him the best at 147, when he has no trail at WW. Sorry, I just dont see how that's possible.

Again, if he wins or loses to Pac, and cant get a Mayweather fight, then where does go? Exactly, he has to go backwards and fight somebody. Thats the only choice that he's left with, being the fact that he managed to pass go and collect his $200, well, more like $5M laugh.gif


khan is and has always been a one trick pony. peterson beat him and peterson is not a pressure fighter and isn't as good as bradley. i thought alexander was/is better than khan and bradley/khan only made sense if khan had 2 belts. at the time the fight was offered, he only had one. it would have been great to see bradley become a unified champion at 140 but the timing was off. bradley made the right decision. if and when bradley and khan ever fight...khan is going to get whooped.

i like bradley's chances against pac. i believe he's going to beat pac...or he'll be robbed. either way...his stock goes up. either way...floyd is going to feel like bradley took something from him....or at least the media is going to play it that way to make that fight. i think bradley is a more complete fighter than ortiz and berto. beating pac and floyd would make him the best at 147....there's no doubt about that. who else would be able to say that?
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 27 2012, 07:07 PM) *
khan is and has always been a one trick pony. peterson beat him and peterson is not a pressure fighter and isn't as good as bradley. i thought alexander was/is better than khan and bradley/khan only made sense if khan had 2 belts. at the time the fight was offered, he only had one. it would have been great to see bradley become a unified champion at 140 but the timing was off. bradley made the right decision. if and when bradley and khan ever fight...khan is going to get whooped.

i like bradley's chances against pac. i believe he's going to beat pac...or he'll be robbed. either way...his stock goes up. either way...floyd is going to feel like bradley took something from him....or at least the media is going to play it that way to make that fight. i think bradley is a more complete fighter than ortiz and berto. beating pac and floyd would make him the best at 147....there's no doubt about that. who else would be able to say that?

You're right, Khan still fights like an amateur, but the fact is, he had a substantial size difference over Bradley, height more so than reach. You have to think about it, if it went to the cards and Khan had small spurts of trouble, then Tim would've got fucked on the cards, since Amir was the favorite.

Damn Professor, you're pushing this Bradley thing, but I wont give you hell for it. He's just not my type of fighter though...
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 27 2012, 07:07 PM) *
khan is and has always been a one trick pony. peterson beat him and peterson is not a pressure fighter and isn't as good as bradley. i thought alexander was/is better than khan and bradley/khan only made sense if khan had 2 belts. at the time the fight was offered, he only had one. it would have been great to see bradley become a unified champion at 140 but the timing was off. bradley made the right decision. if and when bradley and khan ever fight...khan is going to get whooped.

i like bradley's chances against pac. i believe he's going to beat pac...or he'll be robbed. either way...his stock goes up. either way...floyd is going to feel like bradley took something from him....or at least the media is going to play it that way to make that fight. i think bradley is a more complete fighter than ortiz and berto. beating pac and floyd would make him the best at 147....there's no doubt about that. who else would be able to say that?

Damn, your putting all your marbles in the Bradley bag. I like the confidences though

But the thing I like about the division right now is that aside from Bradley any of these guys could knock anyone out. Ortiz and berto can be outboxed but they have the power to knock anyone in the division out.
BigFightFan
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 27 2012, 05:31 PM) *
I can see it happening, at least sometime next year if not in the fall.

After Bradley loses June 9th his best options will be khan if he wins the the rematch against Peterson or the Alexander rematch in SL.
Cshel86
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Feb 27 2012, 09:27 PM) *
After Bradley loses June 9th his best options will be khan if he wins the the rematch against Peterson or the Alexander rematch in SL.

I agree, though his rematch with Alexander can probably be held in Vegas this time around. I believe Devon graduated from STL with that dominant win of his last weekend, and Timmy will get his worldwide exposure on June 9th...so that pretty much averages out to a Vegas bout. That's just me though...
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 27 2012, 09:44 PM) *
You're right, Khan still fights like an amateur, but the fact is, he had a substantial size difference over Bradley, height more so than reach. You have to think about it, if it went to the cards and Khan had small spurts of trouble, then Tim would've got fucked on the cards, since Amir was the favorite.

Damn Professor, you're pushing this Bradley thing, but I wont give you hell for it. He's just not my type of fighter though...


he's a lot better than ppl give him credit for. he's not amazing in one category...but very solid in all.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 27 2012, 09:55 PM) *
Damn, your putting all your marbles in the Bradley bag. I like the confidences though

But the thing I like about the division right now is that aside from Bradley any of these guys could knock anyone out. Ortiz and berto can be outboxed but they have the power to knock anyone in the division out.


it's an exciting division. i'd say berto is the weak link. he won't be in the conversation after the rematch with ortiz. i'd love to see bradley/ortiz/berto. i know berto beat bradley in the amateurs...but it's a whole different ball game in the pros.
Franchize
Win or Lose, I have no desire to see Alexander vs Bradley again. Despite Devin's showing, I have no reason to think the fight will go any differently. The one thing that I felt he lacked even still vs Maidana (lack of poise when being pressured), is what I felt lost him the fight vs Bradley. Alexander is a pretty good counter puncher, but his anxiety vs Maidana still left me a bit underwhelmed. I think it will get exposed by Bradley, who is more controlled in his aggression. I don't like Bradley but his footwork is way better than Maidana and I think that ultimately was the biggest advantage Alexander had last weekend.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Franchize @ Feb 28 2012, 02:12 PM) *
Win or Lose, I have no desire to see Alexander vs Bradley again. Despite Devin's showing, I have no reason to think the fight will go any differently.


+1

I agree. Like the movies, most sequels SUCK too.
Cshel86
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Feb 28 2012, 03:20 PM) *
I agree. Like the movies, most sequels SUCK too.

Im glad you said "most" sequels suck, because it's not entirely true. Belly 2 had to be one of theee b-b-es...<sigh>...fuck it, I cant even bring myself to say it. Point taken, my bad...
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 28 2012, 06:46 PM) *
Im glad you said "most" sequels suck, because it's not entirely true. Belly 2 had to be one of theee b-b-es...<sigh>...fuck it, I cant even bring myself to say it. Point taken, my bad...


LMAO!!!! Maaaaan, I loved Belly despite it's universally recognized creme de la creme of shitty acting....that being said, I would rather butt rape 60+ y/o nuns in church, than even watch the "credits" to Belly 2. In fact, I forgot there was even evidence that a Belly 2 existed.
Cshel86
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Feb 28 2012, 07:03 PM) *
In fact, I forgot there was even evidence that a Belly 2 existed.

laugh.gif

I apologize for the painful reminder! I still think an Alexander/Bradley rematch would be great...only because the first one was premature, and not much happened.
Cheesey1
I'd be interested in an Aexander/Bradley rematch @ 147. Yes the first one was a bit of a dud, but who knows how much of a negative factor the cut was. As Alexander said, he's still learning and I don't see why he can't continue to become more dangerous at 147. I'd pick him over the Tiny one.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 28 2012, 09:08 PM) *
laugh.gif

I apologize for the painful reminder! I still think an Alexander/Bradley rematch would be great...only because the first one was premature, and not much happened.


Depends....will Bradley have to put up his "World Headbutting Championship" belt?
Cshel86
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Feb 29 2012, 04:49 PM) *
Depends....will Bradley have to put up his "World Headbutting Championship" belt?

If all else fails, his opponent should at least be able to wear headgear or thick ass G-Unit sweatband to avoid headbutts during the fight dntknw.gif
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