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Cheesey1
Yet another reason to love boxing. It also reminds us to pay our taxes, like the responsible pseudo-saints that we all are.

Good luck negotiating your 50/50 split now buddy. If it was me, I'd offer you 75/25 and I think that would still be the most that you'e ever made (which is still more money than I've seen in my entire life).
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Mar 8 2012, 02:05 PM) *
Yet another reason to love boxing. It also reminds us to pay our taxes, like the responsible pseudo-saints that we all are.

Good luck negotiating your 50/50 split now buddy. If it was me, I'd offer you 75/25 and I think that would still be the most that you'e ever made (which is still more money than I've seen in my entire life).


yeah...it seems they are slowly but surely hanging themselves. i'd like to see floyd just go ahead and make the fight but i seriously doubt it will ever happen.
Cshel86
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Taxes are taken, not paid! They make us think that we're paying, when are taking them the whole time. THEN, if you made too much, then you owe them some shit dntknw.gif

Let's see how fast his tax situation will get swept under the rug...

Let's compare and contrast for a second...shall we???

Mayweather:
He has legal issues: The world blows it up
He has money problems/tax problems: The world blows it up
He wants more money for the fight: The world blows it up
He has family issues: The world blows it up
He is his own boss: The world blows it up
He's a "danger" to society (America/his community/etc): The world blows it up

Pacquiao:
He has legal issues: It gets swept under the rug
He has money problems/tax problems: It gets swept under the rug
He wants more money for the fight (despite saying that he will take the smaller split at first) It gets swept under the rug
He has family issues: It gets swept under the rug
He is his own boss: It gets swept under the rug laugh.gif
He's a danger to society (in the Philippines): It gets swept under the rug

See the difference here???
leonthegee
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 8 2012, 11:01 AM) *
laugh.gif

Taxes are taken, not paid! They make us think that we're paying, when are taking them the whole time. THEN, if you made too much, then you owe them some shit dntknw.gif

Let's see how fast his tax situation will get swept under the rug...

Let's compare and contrast for a second...shall we???

Mayweather:
He has legal issues: The world blows it up
He has money problems/tax problems: The world blows it up
He wants more money for the fight: The world blows it up
He has family issues: The world blows it up
He is his own boss: The world blows it up
He's a "danger" to society (America/his community/etc): The world blows it up

Pacquiao:
He has legal issues: It gets swept under the rug
He has money problems/tax problems: It gets swept under the rug
He wants more money for the fight (despite saying that he will take the smaller split at first) It gets swept under the rug
He has family issues: It gets swept under the rug
He is his own boss: It gets swept under the rug laugh.gif
He's a danger to society (in the Philippines): It gets swept under the rug

See the difference here???


Its politics and Mannys more politican than boxer lately. He road this so-called next great threat to Floyd all the way to congress and the boxing public. Why fight the man when you can just be in the conversation and pimp the public for all its duckets.
Cheesey1
Yes the pimp hand is almost as strong with the Saint as it is with the Bobfather. The only thing is that these are criminal charges and not just a criminal inquiry (unless I'm mistaken). I'm sure he'll just end up paying a fine, but I know that the govt. over there has to do something. As much as they love the saint over there, that govt. understands that sometimes you have to send a message about taxes. His disciples over here won't carry it, but the cat's out of the bag. I think that he has serious money issues, why is Roach saying that now they'll accept Mayweather's last offer?
Cheesey1
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 8 2012, 01:57 PM) *
yeah...it seems they are slowly but surely hanging themselves. i'd like to see floyd just go ahead and make the fight but i seriously doubt it will ever happen.

Same here, I doubt it, but there's still a chance. If the Saint isn't as paid as his bills and political ambitions need him to be, which I think is the case, we might get it.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 8 2012, 02:01 PM) *
laugh.gif

Taxes are taken, not paid! They make us think that we're paying, when are taking them the whole time. THEN, if you made too much, then you owe them some shit dntknw.gif

Let's see how fast his tax situation will get swept under the rug...

Let's compare and contrast for a second...shall we???

Mayweather:
He has legal issues: The world blows it up
He has money problems/tax problems: The world blows it up
He wants more money for the fight: The world blows it up
He has family issues: The world blows it up
He is his own boss: The world blows it up
He's a "danger" to society (America/his community/etc): The world blows it up

Pacquiao:
He has legal issues: It gets swept under the rug
He has money problems/tax problems: It gets swept under the rug
He wants more money for the fight (despite saying that he will take the smaller split at first) It gets swept under the rug
He has family issues: It gets swept under the rug
He is his own boss: It gets swept under the rug laugh.gif
He's a danger to society (in the Philippines): It gets swept under the rug

See the difference here???
That explains espn's new logo "double the standard, double the fun." Teddy Atlas should get Larry Merchant's job.
mgrover
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 8 2012, 07:01 PM) *
laugh.gif

Taxes are taken, not paid! They make us think that we're paying, when are taking them the whole time. THEN, if you made too much, then you owe them some shit dntknw.gif

Let's see how fast his tax situation will get swept under the rug...

Let's compare and contrast for a second...shall we???

Mayweather:
He has legal issues: The world blows it up
He has money problems/tax problems: The world blows it up
He wants more money for the fight: The world blows it up
He has family issues: The world blows it up
He is his own boss: The world blows it up
He's a "danger" to society (America/his community/etc): The world blows it up

Pacquiao:
He has legal issues: It gets swept under the rug
He has money problems/tax problems: It gets swept under the rug
He wants more money for the fight (despite saying that he will take the smaller split at first) It gets swept under the rug
He has family issues: It gets swept under the rug
He is his own boss: It gets swept under the rug laugh.gif
He's a danger to society (in the Philippines): It gets swept under the rug

See the difference here???


as true as that is, they both are getting what they sought, Mayweather wanted to be famous, and now hes infamous, and Pacmans a nice guy, and everybody likes a nice guy, just how society is.
CauzinRuckus
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Mar 8 2012, 01:05 PM) *
Yet another reason to love boxing. It also reminds us to pay our taxes, like the responsible pseudo-saints that we all are.

Good luck negotiating your 50/50 split now buddy. If it was me, I'd offer you 75/25 and I think that would still be the most that you'e ever made (which is still more money than I've seen in my entire life).


Lol the top rank stable is falling apart. bob arum is saying we aint accepting floyd's offers, roach is saying we gonna have to accept. SMH floyd can offer him 85/15 at this point. All the shit floyd was saying about his fight contracts and $ was on point .
mgrover
problem is i still dont see why the should accept anything from floyd, so because floyd is going to jail topwank can ask for 60/40? yeah sure...
Cshel86
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Mar 8 2012, 03:23 PM) *
Its politics and Mannys more politican than boxer lately.

Glad you brought this up Leon. Now Im thinking...I wonder what effect this has on his political run?

QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 8 2012, 05:18 PM) *
as true as that is, they both are getting what they sought, Mayweather wanted to be famous, and now hes infamous, and Pacmans a nice guy, and everybody likes a nice guy, just how society is.

+1

QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 8 2012, 06:01 PM) *
problem is i still dont see why the should accept anything from floyd, so because floyd is going to jail topwank can ask for 60/40? yeah sure...

I understand your point. Floyd was getting ready to go to jail, but he happened to book a lucrative fight. Manny on the other hand (not sure if he's going to jail), needs a big fight now, in order to cover this tax stuff and the legal fees.

They dont have to except anything from Floyd though. They can either take the offer, or leave it. Truth is, Manny needs it more than anybody for more reasons than one.
Hotsauce
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Mar 8 2012, 05:21 PM) *
Yes the pimp hand is almost as strong with the Saint as it is with the Bobfather. The only thing is that these are criminal charges and not just a criminal inquiry (unless I'm mistaken). I'm sure he'll just end up paying a fine, but I know that the govt. over there has to do something. As much as they love the saint over there, that govt. understand that sometimes you have to send a message about taxes. His disciples over here won't carry it, but the cat's out of the bag. I think that he has serious money issues, why is Roach saying that now they'll accept Mayweather's last offer?



they are running out of opponents?
Run and Gun Game Calls
i doubt manny takes the offer from floyd, pride is a powerful thing. depending on the size of his tax bill, 2 ppv's and its cleared up. Even if they are not as big as a mayweather fight
Cheesey1
QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 8 2012, 05:18 PM) *
as true as that is, they both are getting what they sought, Mayweather wanted to be famous, and now hes infamous, and Pacmans a nice guy, and everybody likes a nice guy, just how society is.

I don't know Manny and I don't know Floyd. All I know is what Pacquaio's been saying. Throwing God's name around like he's name dropping some famous person's name that he knows. Using a topic that a lot of people take very seriously and using it as some bullishit reason for retirement that everybody knows was pure bullshit. I know some people that take this Christianity thing very seriously and unfortunately can always be a sucker for a "person of God."
Saying that he doesn't fight for money, yet won't accept a match when he said that he'd accept the smaller purse.
For me, based on that, forget the other things that he does, he isn't such a nice guy. The other things I'm referring to are those of the scandalous nature that keep the gossip rags going back home in his island nation.

I'm just playing boxing fan detective, but I think that the recent sale of his casinos etc. wasn't because God told him to, it's because he needs the money because he's been doing a lot of non-nice guy things and getting a complete pass which usually results in more non-nice guy behaviour.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Mar 8 2012, 08:42 PM) *
they are running out of opponents?

Yes, exactly. How stupid of me.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ Mar 8 2012, 08:49 PM) *
i doubt manny takes the offer from floyd, pride is a powerful thing. depending on the size of his tax bill, 2 ppv's and its cleared up. Even if they are not as big as a mayweather fight

To be frank, part of me hopes that he doesn't accept the offer so that we can see exactly how far the saintly financial shenanigans go and exactly who he's going to fight after Bradley. According to Roach "they're running out of opponents." If he accepts Mayweather's offer, the tax and other issues become less of a story.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 8 2012, 07:01 PM) *
problem is i still dont see why the should accept anything from floyd, so because floyd is going to jail topwank can ask for 60/40? yeah sure...



Well, I doubt "they" (TR) takes it, but not sure Manny won't cut his losses (both figuratively and financially) and accept that offer. I mean, if any of these reports from FH, in regard to his money, his "books" aren't lookin' good. Moreover, Vision Quest is suing him....you know, the firm that has actually SEEN his "books".
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Run and Gun Game Calls @ Mar 8 2012, 09:49 PM) *
i doubt manny takes the offer from floyd, pride is a powerful thing. depending on the size of his tax bill, 2 ppv's and its cleared up. Even if they are not as big as a mayweather fight



WHOA!!! To quote Roy Jones, "You musta forgot" about the VQ suit. That crew actually got to peek under the hood of Team Manny and got fired for it. If you remember (according to this site), Manny got VQ to pay for Koncz's home in Cali, fired them and then skipped out on the check. I mean, of all the cash dude has made, you're getting someone to "float" you money to buy your advisor another home? Never mind, why are you buying your advisor a house, rather more importantly, WHY is VQ lettin' you "hold a little somethin' til payday?" While I'm confident it's NOT in the millions, this isn't gonna go away pain-free.....Naw, homey....this may require ANOTHER PPV. Like Freddie said, "we're runnin' out of options...."
Cheesey1
"Hold something 'til pay day." Ha!

Also why's the saint suing some journalist for libel. The article's over on thebleacherreport.com

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1093033...-general-santos
mgrover
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Mar 9 2012, 01:55 AM) *
I don't know Manny and I don't know Floyd. All I know is what Pacquaio's been saying. Throwing God's name around like he's name dropping some famous person's name that he knows. Using a topic that a lot of people take very seriously and using it as some bullishit reason for retirement that everybody knows was pure bullshit. I know some people that take this Christianity thing very seriously and unfortunately can always be a sucker for a "person of God."
Saying that he doesn't fight for money, yet won't accept a match when he said that he'd accept the smaller purse.
For me, based on that, forget the other things that he does, he isn't such a nice guy. The other things I'm referring to are those of the scandalous nature that keep the gossip rags going back home in his island nation.

I'm just playing boxing fan detective, but I think that the recent sale of his casinos etc. wasn't because God told him to, it's because he needs the money because he's been doing a lot of non-nice guy things and getting a complete pass which usually results in more non-nice guy behaviour.


I never said hes a nice guy, but society views him as a nice guy, and Floyd the bad guy, and all the gestures in the world will never change that, Floyd can even fight MP for free, with all demands MP wants, with 3 filopeno judges, anyway you get my point, there both too deep for there personas to change, MP can kill a child on tv and he'll probably get shunned for a bit, but as long as hes sorry its fine. Am not a religious guy so I kinda dont care what he says, yes he doesnt fight for money blah blah blah

think of it this way, the public is a naive girl, and your the guy that's going to say all the right things to get in her pants. the whole, nice guy routine.
mgrover
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Mar 9 2012, 02:11 AM) *
Well, I doubt "they" (TR) takes it, but not sure Manny won't cut his losses (both figuratively and financially) and accept that offer. I mean, if any of these reports from FH, in regard to his money, his "books" aren't lookin' good. Moreover, Vision Quest is suing him....you know, the firm that has actually SEEN his "books".


am sure he can fight peterson after bradley, and then another marquez fight, and then whoevers around, maybe alexander, but i doubt that one. am fair sure hes got another 2-3 years left in him, then again he has slowed down quite a bit since margs, or maybe that was because mosley and marquez just made him look slow.
Cshel86
Fuck this...I was getting ready to post something, but all of these points are valid as far as Im concerned.

*CShel slowly steps back #likePeterGriffin
Cheesey1
QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 8 2012, 09:48 PM) *
I never said hes a nice guy, but society views him as a nice guy, and Floyd the bad guy, and all the gestures in the world will never change that, Floyd can even fight MP for free, with all demands MP wants, with 3 filopeno judges, anyway you get my point, there both too deep for there personas to change, MP can kill a child on tv and he'll probably get shunned for a bit, but as long as hes sorry its fine. Am not a religious guy so I kinda dont care what he says, yes he doesnt fight for money blah blah blah

think of it this way, the public is a naive girl, and your the guy that's going to say all the right things to get in her pants. the whole, nice guy routine.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Nonetheless, I definitely don't want him to take the Mayweather fight now. I want to see how all of this (VQ litigation etc.) evolves and fighting Mayweather will overshadow all of that.
Allmenjoi8
Even if this fight does happen let's say Floyd wins, it wouldn't matter because people will say Floyd waited until Manny slowed down or showed signs of weakness.

As far as Manny's money troubles, Roach has voiced his concerned about Manny's financial status. Manny can either keep fighting so he will not go broke or cash out. I hope he does not end up as a broke broken down boxer. I would really be upset with all the people around him if he ends up where he started. In Mayweather's last interview he said he could not go to Bob Arum when he retires to pay his bills, Sadly I do not think Pac could either.

Whoever is dealing with his finances are clearly taking him to the washer. I wised he would had kept VisionQwest on. I am not a Pac fan, I do not care for his fighting style but just from a human stand point this is a shame. I can see why YG wants to jump ship. It is a damn shame. I wonder can he buy out his contract like Oscar and Floyd did? The one person that comes out looking like a winner is Miguel Cotto. Big pay day big fight and he gets to keep his money. Bradley I hope you are paying attention when you decide to deal with the devil, Donaire you too.

Boxing needs a union and a damn oversight committee for things like this. Someone needs to keep these damn sharks responsible. The fighter should always come out on top financially not the greedy promoters, they do not put their life on the line. Sorry for the rant I just hate seeing people get screwed.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 8 2012, 10:51 PM) *
Even if this fight does happen let's say Floyd wins, it wouldn't matter because people will say Floyd waited until Manny slowed down or showed signs of weakness.

As far as Manny's money troubles, Roach has voiced his concerned about Manny's financial status. Manny can either keep fighting so he will not go broke or cash out. I hope he does not end up as a broke broken down boxer. I would really be upset with all the people around him if he ends up where he started. In Mayweather's last interview he said he could not go to Bob Arum when he retires to pay his bills, Sadly I do not think Pac could either.

Whoever is dealing with his finances are clearly taking him to the washer. I wised he would had kept VisionQwest on. I am not a Pac fan, I do not care for his fighting style but just from a human stand point this is a shame. I can see why YG wants to jump ship. It is a damn shame. I wonder can he buy out his contract like Oscar and Floyd did? The one person that comes out looking like a winner is Miguel Cotto. Big pay day big fight and he gets to keep his money. Bradley I hope you are paying attention when you decide to deal with the devil, Donaire you too.

Boxing needs a union and a damn oversight committee for things like this. Someone needs to keep these damn sharks responsible. The fighter should always come out on top financially not the greedy promoters, they do not put their life on the line. Sorry for the rant I just hate seeing people get screwed.

Good stuff. For the record...Roach expressed his concerns for Manny's finances waaaaaay back. I mean way back, like around the time of the first Marquez fight. Oh, and as far Gamboa's ass...he's got something coming.

Gamboa, nor Manny are possibly able to buy out their contracts at this point. Manny's gotten too many advances, and Gamboa hasn't made enough of shit to even attempt such an act...no matter how good we think he is in the ring.

Bradley has dealt with his litigation, and Im sure it costed him something, but he doesn't seem to be hurting all that bad, now does he? The only reason behind this, is because he's staring in the face of a $5M+ payday, so all is well, ends well. Now, had he been fighting a nobody, then Im sure his ass would've been on 60 minutes by now, blowing the whistle.
pimpfighterROQ
I think he'll be fine. Sure he might lose his few millions paying off his advances, taxes and all. But dont forget he's a politician in one of the most corrupt government in the world, where even there presidents steal millions. He won't live the life of Mayweather but he won't be broke.

Anyways..

If the money isn't enough, this means he'll have to fight till he's 40. He'll slow down, getting a loss after another loss. He'll fill up the knockout highlight reels of Ortiz, Devon Alexander or any of these new guys taking the Mosley/Roy Jones/Tyson route. Sad..but this isn't the first time it has happened in boxing history.

Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 8 2012, 11:59 PM) *
Good stuff. For the record...Roach expressed his concerns for Manny's finances waaaaaay back. I mean way back, like around the time of the first Marquez fight. Oh, and as far Gamboa's ass...he's got something coming.

Gamboa, nor Manny are possibly able to buy out their contracts at this point. Manny's gotten too many advances, and Gamboa hasn't made enough of shit to even attempt such an act...no matter how good we think he is in the ring.

Bradley has dealt with his litigation, and Im sure it costed him something, but he doesn't seem to be hurting all that bad, now does he? The only reason behind this, is because he's staring in the face of a $5M+ payday, so all is well, ends well. Now, had he been fighting a nobody, then Im sure his ass would've been on 60 minutes by now, blowing the whistle.


YG is not helping his case by hanging out at the Mayweather gym. Bob is going to go ham on YG. I do not think he is getting in the ring with Rios.

Bradley better be careful. As far as Manny goes, it is like his house of cards are falling. This is what happens when you inflate someone's character. Things about that person start coming out. This is only the tip of the ice berg. When the checks stop coming people will start selling their story about how Pac is this and how he took that. I wonder how much longer he can deal with the pressure. If Manny loses to Bradley his political career is done. If he loses too Mayweather his political career is done. The reason why he is famous is because he has been kicking butt. Who is going to vote for a loser? No one. My advice to Manny would be go quietly into the night. Just leave and be done with it. Just get ready, five years from now to tune into Real Sports with Brian Gumble and hear about how the Boxing icon is now a rice farmer.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 9 2012, 03:12 PM) *
If Manny loses to Bradley his political career is done. If he loses too Mayweather his political career is done. The reason why he is famous is because he has been kicking butt. Who is going to vote for a loser? No one.

This is where you lost me. If he loses these fights, that doesn't mean he'll lose the election. We are talking about his tax situation, and I believe that would have a bigger impact on his political run, than anything that happens in the ring.

His public image outside of the ring is what matters the most to his political run. He cheats on his wife and may have illegitimate children...who cares, what political hasn't done it? Nowadays, that's almost a part of the political initiation process. Tax charges...biiiiiig no-no. nono.gif

pimpfighterROQ
I can see it now. Rios vs Ortiz. HBO will show their most notable wins. Manny Pacquiao (KO) LOL. Just messin..
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