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Cheesey1
Another quality weekend of boxing. I'll keep this one short and sweet. Saturday's definitely the main course, but Friday's always a good first course.

I'm pretty sure that individual live threads will be opened at fight time by FightHype.

FRIDAY:
FNF-
Antwone "the Truth" Smith vs. Robert “Amenaza” Garcia - 147lbs
Cesar Seda vs. Sergio Perales - 120lbs

ShoBox-
Diego Magdaleno vs. Miguel Beltran Jr. - 130lbs - Magdaleno's undefeated, facing a more experienced boxer. Could be a chance to see what Magdaleno's about, or a cushy match-up. Dunno.
Yordenis Ugas vs. Juan Garcia - 147lbs - an 8 rounder, both undefeated. Someone's "0" must go.

European/U.K: (probably around 5pm) Shane McPhilbin vs. Enzo Maccaranelli - 190lbs - Enzo should probably retire, he's taken some bad beatings recently. 190lbers can do some damage, so could be interesting.


SATURDAY:
NBCSports- (not sure if all of these bouts will be televised)
Zab "Super" Judah vs. Vernon "the Iceman" Paris - 140lbs - Vernon Paris' time to shine. Can he remain undefeated against the still respectable Zab "Super" Judah? This is probably the last chance saloon for Zab.
Siarhei "the White Wolf" Liakhovich vs. Bryant "B.Y." Jennings - HW -Jennings was on NBCSports in January and won in an apparently good showing. I'm interested in how he looks against Liahkovich.
Tomasz Adamek vs. Nagy Aguilera - HW -Tomasz Adamek always brings it and initial expectations are for Adamek to win, but will Aguilera make the DR proud?
Curtis Stevens vs. Romaro Johnson- 168lbs-
Tarvis Simms vs. TBA - 158 lbs

NBCSports is also showing a 24-7 type pre fight documentary with Zab Judah. It's on tonight too as well as tomorrow and Saturday. They're also repeating Jennings' last outing in Jan.

HBO -
Erik "El Terrible" Morales vs. Danny "Swift" Garcia -140lbs- Garcia's undefeated, but Morales is "El Terrible." Will youth be served?
James "Mandingo Warrior" Kirkland vs. Carlos "King" Molina -154lbs- This could be the one that has most people's attention as a result of Kirkland being in one of 2011's FOTY candidates and the fact that Molina doesn't seem to be in the least bit intimidated.
Cshel86
I haven't seen any of the fighters for the FNF and Shobox card, fight before...so it should be worth the watch. Im going for El Terrible on the strength of experience, but Garcia does have a punch that can change the trajectory of a fight.

As far as the Kirkland/Molina fight...we will have to see. As you said, Molina has yet to show any signs of intimidation, but who knows. He has a nasty record, but he may be able to hold his ground, from a boxing standpoint.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 22 2012, 11:06 PM) *
I haven't seen any of the fighters for the FNF and Shobox card, fight before...so it should be worth the watch. Im going for El Terrible on the strength of experience, but Garcia does have a punch that can change the trajectory of a fight.

As far as the Kirkland/Molina fight...we will have to see. As you said, Molina has yet to show any signs of intimidation, but who knows. He has a nasty record, but he may be able to hold his ground, from a boxing standpoint.

Same here re. the FNF and ShoBox line up, except for Antwone Smith. I think that I might have seen him fight before. I'm giving Molina a chance because as we all know, Kirkland can be hit and Molina's a good enough boxer to find that chin and possibly withstand the attack from the Warrior. I'm looking forward to seeing if Vernon Paris is going to make himself known in style.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Mar 23 2012, 09:11 AM) *
I'm giving Molina a chance because as we all know, Kirkland can be hit and Molina's a good enough boxer to find that chin and possibly withstand the attack from the Warrior. I'm looking forward to seeing if Vernon Paris is going to make himself known in style.

Molina doesn't have much pop at all, so we can only hope that does his best to box Kirkland to death. If he's interesting in seeing if he can take one of Kirkland's punches, then we will see the usual Kirkland fight.

As far as Vernon, it sucks that they didn't include him in the Fight 36 segment. I mean Zab's story was interesting, but damn, Vernon is also fighting and I was interested in seeing how his camp is going.
Franchize
I never knew James Kirkland's nickname was Mandingo Warrior lmaoooo Sounds like a porn name
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 23 2012, 11:39 AM) *
Molina doesn't have much pop at all, so we can only hope that does his best to box Kirkland to death. If he's interesting in seeing if he can take one of Kirkland's punches, then we will see the usual Kirkland fight.

As far as Vernon, it sucks that they didn't include him in the Fight 36 segment. I mean Zab's story was interesting, but damn, Vernon is also fighting and I was interested in seeing how his camp is going.

I hear you, but Ishida isn't a big puncher either and Kirkland was KTFO'd by him. I'm not saying that it'll happen again, but where's there's smoke, there's fire.

Yeah, Vernon's story would've been interesting. Wasn't he shot, or some craziness like that?
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Franchize @ Mar 23 2012, 11:52 AM) *
I never knew James Kirkland's nickname was Mandingo Warrior lmaoooo Sounds like a porn name

Ha!
To be fair to Kirkland, Mandingo's/Mandinka's are an actual tribe, with a lot of history in West Africa and if I'm not mistaken, Kunta Kinte from Roots was a Mandinka/Mandingo and if I'm not mistaken again he was a real person.
mrchitown
I think Garcia is going to test Morales but I believe Morales will prevail when it's all said and done.

The Kirkland-Molina fight will be very good as well. Molina will need to fight smart if he's going to have a chance to win. I think he should box Kirkland and show him some lateral movement. All in all I think Kirkland will eventually stop Molina in the middle rounds

I'm going with Zab. The only thing I see that Paris has going for him is the work he does to the body, but I re-watched the fight and it wasn't as devastating as I originally thought. Zab usually has trouble with the upper echelon fighters, which Paris not and I don't think he'll ever be. I just can't see a way that Paris beats him. If he loses to Paris then he should retire, because for me that will prove he's washed up
Cshel86
Alright Cheesey, let's ride up outta here...I just moved the posts to the new FNF thread laugh.gif
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 23 2012, 09:58 PM) *
Alright, let's ride up outta here...I just moved the posts to the new FNF thread laugh.gif

Cool.
checkleft
The Judah Paris fight could be very good. And I'm interested to see how kirkland looks against molina. The Garcia fight will be good
neophyte7
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 23 2012, 08:23 PM) *
I think Garcia is going to test Morales but I believe Morales will prevail when it's all said and done.

The Kirkland-Molina fight will be very good as well. Molina will need to fight smart if he's going to have a chance to win. I think he should box Kirkland and show him some lateral movement. All in all I think Kirkland will eventually stop Molina in the middle rounds

I'm going with Zab. The only thing I see that Paris has going for him is the work he does to the body, but I re-watched the fight and it wasn't as devastating as I originally thought. Zab usually has trouble with the upper echelon fighters, which Paris not and I don't think he'll ever be. I just can't see a way that Paris beats him. If he loses to Paris then he should retire, because for me that will prove he's washed up



He lost to Baldomir.. hardly upper ecehlon...
mrchitown
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 24 2012, 10:55 AM) *
He lost to Baldomir.. hardly upper ecehlon...


I see you still talkin shit. Stop dickriding dude and give me facts. You ain't never told me ONCE why Pariis would beat Jim. If he does beat Zab then Zab should definitely retire, that's how low in regard I hold him. But I don't see it and I explained my points. Get the nuts out your mouth and stop swallowing
BoxingFan86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 23 2012, 08:23 PM) *
I think Garcia is going to test Morales but I believe Morales will prevail when it's all said and done.

The Kirkland-Molina fight will be very good as well. Molina will need to fight smart if he's going to have a chance to win. I think he should box Kirkland and show him some lateral movement. All in all I think Kirkland will eventually stop Molina in the middle rounds

I'm going with Zab. The only thing I see that Paris has going for him is the work he does to the body, but I re-watched the fight and it wasn't as devastating as I originally thought. Zab usually has trouble with the upper echelon fighters, which Paris not and I don't think he'll ever be. I just can't see a way that Paris beats him. If he loses to Paris then he should retire, because for me that will prove he's washed up

I don't know, man. The weight could be an issue for Morales. Although he (intentionally) came in 2 lbs over the limit, he still looks sloppy and that could possibly slow him down, which would work to Garcia's advantage. As far as the Kirkland fight goes, I have it as a toss-up, 'cause Kirkland always presents me with a sour, "how in da fuck did he let that happen?" moment in a lot of his fights. It's to the point where I almost always expect him to fuck up (big) before he decides to turn it up a notch.

Zab and Paris' fight may be more competitive than you think. Paris does good body work, even if it's not devastatin'. We all know how Zab abandons his gameplan once his body is touched. Unless he has a newfound discipline, I don't see him maintainin' his gameplan if his body gets touched. If Paris gets in enough shots to the body, Zab will probably fold like he did against Khan and Mayweather thumbsdown_anim.gif. All that bein' said, I still say the odds are in Zab's favor. Don't be surprised if Paris gets the victory, though.
Cshel86
Box you are wild man! laugh.gif

Honestly...with the Garcia/Morales fight, you're right...it is a toss up. Both of them didn't look all that great in their last fights, but if I had to go with the lesser of two evils...Garcia looked a bit better in his last fight.

Im not sure the weight will hurt Morales, being the fact that he didn't have to go any further out of his way to shed weight. NOW, if he attempted to shed those 2 lbs, then it would be safe to say that the weight would be an issue tonight.

Kirkland seems to be one of those guys in street fights, that need to get hit real good or knocked down, before he actually warms up to the action. That's just based off of his recent performance against Angulo. The Ishida fight was clearly a case of conditioning and being tested (with bad conditioning) after a long layoff.

If Vernon doesn't floor Judah, then he wont gain much from this fight tonight. Khan didn't get any points off of beating Judah, because Zab went into 5th gear with downplaying it after the fight was over.

So, if Vernon doesn't "Cotto" Zab tonight, then he wont get much credit. Judah gets nothing from winning this fight, other than another opportunity to fuck up on the big stage afterwards.
BoxingFan86
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 24 2012, 08:26 PM) *
Box you are wild man! laugh.gif

Honestly...with the Garcia/Morales fight, you're right...it is a toss up. Both of them didn't look all that great in their last fights, but if I had to go with the lesser of two evils...Garcia looked a bit better in his last fight.

Im not sure the weight will hurt Morales, being the fact that he didn't have to go any further out of his way to shed weight. NOW, if he attempted to shed those 2 lbs, then it would be safe to say that the weight would be an issue tonight.

Kirkland seems to be one of those guys in street fights, that need to get hit real good or knocked down, before he actually warms up to the action. That's just based off of his recent performance against Angulo. The Ishida fight was clearly a case of conditioning and being tested (with bad conditioning) after a long layoff.

If Vernon doesn't floor Judah, then he wont gain much from this fight tonight. Khan didn't get any points off of beating Judah, because Zab went into 5th gear with downplaying it after the fight was over.

So, if Vernon doesn't "Cotto" Zab tonight, then he wont get much credit. Judah gets nothing from winning this fight, other than another opportunity to fuck up on the big stage afterwards.

Just look at him, though. I've never seen him look so out of shape and sloppy. He really is an eye soar. As far as the bold part goes, laugh.gif.
mrchitown
QUOTE (BoxingFan86 @ Mar 24 2012, 06:18 PM) *
I don't know, man. The weight could be an issue for Morales. Although he (intentionally) came in 2 lbs over the limit, he still looks sloppy and that could possibly slow him down, which would work to Garcia's advantage. As far as the Kirkland fight goes, I have it as a toss-up, 'cause Kirkland always presents me with a sour, "how in da fuck did he let that happen?" moment in a lot of his fights. It's to the point where I almost always expect him to fuck up (big) before he decides to turn it up a notch.

Zab and Paris' fight may be more competitive than you think. Paris does good body work, even if it's not devastatin'. We all know how Zab abandons his gameplan once his body is touched. Unless he has a newfound discipline, I don't see him maintainin' his gameplan if his body gets touched. If Paris gets in enough shots to the body, Zab will probably fold like he did against Khan and Mayweather thumbsdown_anim.gif. All that bein' said, I still say the odds are in Zab's favor. Don't be surprised if Paris gets the victory, though.



I believe that about Morales, I think he chose the wrong opponent to do that against in Garcia. As far as Kirkland goes, it's like he waits til he hits the canvas to start getting into his rhythm, I still think he beats Molina but he's going to need some consistent pressure to pull it off. I don't think Zab will walk over Vernon, I don't see him blowing too many fighters out of the water at this stage in his career. But i do believe if Zab can somehow neutralize Vernon's body work hen he'll win the fight. That and provided he actually pulls the trigger. If he doesn't do that then Paris will go to the body and come right back up top like he usually does. Your right, the advantages seem to be in Zab's favor and I have him winning but Paris is a game fighter
neophyte7
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 24 2012, 06:22 PM) *
I see you still talkin shit. Stop dickriding dude and give me facts. You ain't never told me ONCE why Pariis would beat Jim. If he does beat Zab then Zab should definitely retire, that's how low in regard I hold him. But I don't see it and I explained my points. Get the nuts out your mouth and stop swallowing


One reason I gave if you paid attention instead of trying to be a TOUGH TALKING MOTHERFUCKING IMP...AS ZAB BENG SHOT AD PARIS BODY WORK... ALSO ZAB NOT BEING ABLE TO GET OFF AND LET HIS HANDS GO. I was not alone in my analysis
NUTS IN MY MOUTH and swallow??? LMAO UNNECESSARY but I understand.. YOU R PRODUCT OF DEGENERATIVE HIP HOP FILTH
Good call on THE FIGHT YOU CHI TOWN MOTHERFUCKER!!!

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