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Allmenjoi8
There have only been three interviews in my life that I was excited to see this is number 4. Rev. Dr. Michael Eric Dyson is going to interview Floyd Mayweather on HBO in April. Dr. Dyson former Professor of Harvard and Univ. Penn and is at Georgetown Univ. will do a great job. He is from Detroit and this man does not ask easy questions. His debate with Dr. Cornell West was OUTSTANDING. I wonder what kind of questions will be asked. I hope Floyd take this opportunity to really show Floyd Mayweather and not the personality. I am sure Dr. Dyson will ask him about his jail sentence, relationship with his dad and other hot topics. Who ever thought of this gets two thumbs way up.
mrchitown
I will watch the interview strictly as a fan of boxing and of Floyd Mayweather. But I do not like Dyson because in my opinion he's full of shit. He's an opportunist who uses his degrees to act as if he knows everything. He got his "big break" by writing that terrible book on Tupac. He's Michael Wilbon with a weak fade in my opinion
daprofessor
not a big fan of dyson although i will admit he can be on point from time to time. his love for hip hop was kind of cool in the beginning. quoting verses from my favorite hip hop cuts was cool when i was younger...but when u realize that 90% of the shit spit in rap songs is bullshit...it kind of loses its' appeal.
Franchize
I'm not a fan of Dyson's personally but I think I may watch. I actually am a big fan of Cornell West. I think Dyson flip flops on a lot of issues, especially hip-hop. He's very hypocritical but he does ask tough questions. This ought to be interesting.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 28 2012, 12:33 PM) *
I will watch the interview strictly as a fan of boxing and of Floyd Mayweather. But I do not like Dyson because in my opinion he's full of shit. He's an opportunist who uses his degrees to act as if he knows everything. He got his "big break" by writing that terrible book on Tupac. He's Michael Wilbon with a weak fade in my opinion


Dr. Dyson is full of shit? Wow. I think he has away of isolating people with those SAT words he uses but his life story is amazing. The Tupac book Holla if you hear me (i think that was it) it was written from an academic point of view so yeah. I would never call him the Michael Wilbon of academia, Wilbon has to be reminded what ethnicity he is. Guy is a joke.

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 28 2012, 12:33 PM) *
not a big fan of dyson although i will admit he can be on point from time to time. his love for hip hop was kind of cool in the beginning. quoting verses from my favorite hip hop cuts was cool when i was younger...but when u realize that 90% of the shit spit in rap songs is bullshit...it kind of loses its' appeal.


I would say the rap that is being spit now is 100000% bullshit but that is what happens when money is the only thing that matters. Dr. Dyson I just think has away of losing his audience especially the ones who did not attend the Ivy leagues but I feel where he is coming from.

QUOTE (Franchize @ Mar 28 2012, 12:36 PM) *
I'm not a fan of Dyson's personally but I think I may watch. I actually am a big fan of Cornell West. I think Dyson flip flops on a lot of issues, especially hip-hop. He's very hypocritical but he does ask tough questions. This ought to be interesting.


Not a big Cornell West fan his Race Matters book is hypocritical especially when you listen to the bs he spits now. I was pissed when he openly criticized Melissa Harris but anyway. Dr. Dyson will ask the the tough question and Floyd better not try to BS cause Dr. Dyson will catch him. And ask him pointed questions. This interview will be great. Can't wait.

Cshel86
Wow, great...yet another potentially informing Mayweather interview that's gonna end up being circled around why the "megafight" hasn't happened. Im not sure how much Dr. Michael Dyson knows about the sport...especially in regards to the business side of it.

Better yet, I know which direction this interview will go. He will talk about how flashy Floyd is and how it sets black people back. Yep, I knew it was a purpose for this interview. Maybe he will also bring up the domestic violence case.

If any other subjects come up, I'll be totally surprised. Cant wait to see it though...
daprofessor
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 28 2012, 01:30 PM) *
I would say the rap that is being spit now is 100000% bullshit but that is what happens when money is the only thing that matters. Dr. Dyson I just think has away of losing his audience especially the ones who did not attend the Ivy leagues but I feel where he is coming from.


i hear and comprehend everything he speaks on. if anything i think he appeals to a certain group who thinks the fast talk is a sign of intelligence. if anything, he has "away" of turning "away" educated folks by trying to play both sides. his story isn't that uncommon. i'm with cshel on this one, he really doesn't bring anything new to the table. more than likely i'll skip this interview.

rap has always been 10000% bullshit. hip hop on the otherhand has had its' moments.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 28 2012, 04:36 PM) *
Wow, great...yet another potentially informing Mayweather interview that's gonna end up being circled around why the "megafight" hasn't happened. Im not sure how much Dr. Michael Dyson knows about the sport...especially in regards to the business side of it.

Better yet, I know which direction this interview will go. He will talk about how flashy Floyd is and how it sets black people back. Yep, I knew it was a purpose for this interview. Maybe he will also bring up the domestic violence case.

If any other subjects come up, I'll be totally surprised. Cant wait to see it though...


I having watched plenty of Dr. Dyson's interviews he is not a asshole. If anything he will pose a question and let you talk. Then he will further ask you what you meant when you said xyz. He will not talk about the flash because again Dr. Dyson doesn't look at that as being a bad thing, read a few of his books (if you already haven't) and you will see he embraces that lifestyle to an extinct. He will probably ask about his relationship with his father and how he is as a father with his kids. He is not going to demonize Floyd simply because that isn't his style now if Floyd hangs himself then Dr. Dyson will call him on his BS. If anything Dr. Dyson will probably ask if he thinks the sport of boxing is racist...


QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 28 2012, 05:44 PM) *
i hear and comprehend everything he speaks on. if anything i think he appeals to a certain group who thinks the fast talk is a sign of intelligence. if anything, he has "away" of turning "away" educated folks by trying to play both sides. his story isn't that uncommon. i'm with cshel on this one, he really doesn't bring anything new to the table. more than likely i'll skip this interview.

rap has always been 10000% bullshit. hip hop on the otherhand has had its' moments.


Hip Hop has been held hostage by rap and people view both entities one in the same. Like Sinead O'Conner said our music has been corrupted and is evil. Anyway, Dr. Dyson story is remarkable. Group home kid who chose a different path. His brother I believe is in prison for drugs or something. Dr. Dyson wants to have street cred as well as education cred. It is a fine line to walk. One of the reasons why I respected Huey P. Newton was because he was educated but still knew how to speak to the masses. You should watch this interview he may surprise you. I think this is new, an outsider giving an interview to boxing's elite royalty. We would know what to expect from a Larry Merchant, Teddy Atlas, Jim Lampley, etc. But Dr. Dyson comes from another world, so don't judge before you watch. We may learn something.

Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 29 2012, 09:56 AM) *
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I having watched plenty of Dr. Dyson's interviews he is not a asshole. If anything he will pose a question and let you talk. Then he will further ask you what you meant when you said xyz. He will not talk about the flash because again Dr. Dyson doesn't look at that as being a bad thing, read a few of his books (if you already haven't) and you will see he embraces that lifestyle to an extinct. He will probably ask about his relationship with his father and how he is as a father with his kids. He is not going to demonize Floyd simply because that isn't his style now if Floyd hangs himself then Dr. Dyson will call him on his BS. If anything Dr. Dyson will probably ask if he thinks the sport of boxing is racist...

Trust me, he will talk about the flashy lifestyle, money-flaunting, and so forth. Now, will he try to make a fool of Floyd? More than likely, no. Im quite sure he will bring up the effect that Floyd's television persona has on the black community.

Good call on the family relationships that he will more than likely discuss. I just pray that the megafight nonsense isn't brought up, but if it is, hopefully it's brief. I've had it up to my head with these exclusive interviews that focus waaay too much on the megafight, and the person doing the interview, hardly understands the business side of the sport.

daprofessor
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 29 2012, 09:56 AM) *
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Hip Hop has been held hostage by rap and people view both entities one in the same. Like Sinead O'Conner said our music has been corrupted and is evil. Anyway, Dr. Dyson story is remarkable. Group home kid who chose a different path. His brother I believe is in prison for drugs or something. Dr. Dyson wants to have street cred as well as education cred. It is a fine line to walk. One of the reasons why I respected Huey P. Newton was because he was educated but still knew how to speak to the masses. You should watch this interview he may surprise you. I think this is new, an outsider giving an interview to boxing's elite royalty. We would know what to expect from a Larry Merchant, Teddy Atlas, Jim Lampley, etc. But Dr. Dyson comes from another world, so don't judge before you watch. We may learn something.


i'll catch it on youtube. thx.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 29 2012, 11:15 AM) *
i'll catch it on youtube. thx.


ok.gif good, then we can have a debate about how great or crappy the interview was.
mgrover
it's simple, he'll ask the question, and Floyd will answer a non existent question with an answer that doesn't even make sense.
Franchize
QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 29 2012, 12:21 PM) *
it's simple, he'll ask the question, and Floyd will answer a non existent question with an answer that doesn't even make sense.


While I think your disdain for Floyd Mayweather at times is ridiculous, I have to agree with you here. Sometimes Floyd answers questions and by the end of the question I have to ask myself...WTF was the question again?
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Mar 29 2012, 01:38 PM) *
While I think your disdain for Floyd Mayweather at times is ridiculous, I have to agree with you here. Sometimes Floyd answers questions and by the end of the question I have to ask myself...WTF was the question again?


laugh.gif floyd isn't the only one guilty of this.
Cshel86
QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 29 2012, 12:21 PM) *
it's simple, he'll ask the question, and Floyd will answer a non existent question with an answer that doesn't even make sense.

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True! True! True! It's irritating, but funny at the same time...

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 29 2012, 01:40 PM) *
laugh.gif floyd isn't the only one guilty of this.

Ya know? When someone's asked about drug testing and their fight purses...they suddenly find it hard to speak English laugh.gif
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 29 2012, 12:45 PM) *
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True! True! True! It's irritating, but funny at the same time...


Ya know? When someone's asked about drug testing and their fight purses...they suddenly find it hard to speak English :lol:


It is called being a politician.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 29 2012, 12:21 PM) *
it's simple, he'll ask the question, and Floyd will answer a non existent question with an answer that doesn't even make sense.


interviewer: "floyd...u been on the top for quite sometime. u put in the hard work to stay there. what motivates u?"

moneymay: "all i'm sayin' is...at the end of the day....all he has to do is take the test! i'm not a cheater. there's a lot that i have gave to boxing. my ability is god given. that's all i'm sayin."

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Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 29 2012, 07:36 PM) *
interviewer: "floyd...u been on the top for quite sometime. u put in the hard work to stay there. what motivates u?"

moneymay: "all i'm sayin' is...at the end of the day....all he has to do is take the test! i'm not a cheater. there's a lot that i have gave to boxing. my ability is god given. that's all i'm sayin."

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You hit the nail on the head man!

mgrover
QUOTE (Franchize @ Mar 29 2012, 06:38 PM) *
While I think your disdain for Floyd Mayweather at times is ridiculous, I have to agree with you here. Sometimes Floyd answers questions and by the end of the question I have to ask myself...WTF was the question again?


i just call it how i see it, it's not even disdain, it's just some of his bullshit outside the ring, i don't like, i mean the stuff he does for charity great but some things rub me up in the wrong way, inside the ring it's really hard to fault him but interviews like this




boy did he come out with some shit but he just wouldn't answer the damn questions, i dont watch interviews for them being funny, i simply want answers that no one ever seems to provide. if i got a chance to interview him i would tear him and any other fighter for that fact apart. why? cause i want my answers from all the bullshit that comes out of boxing.
neophyte7
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 28 2012, 01:33 PM) *
I will watch the interview strictly as a fan of boxing and of Floyd Mayweather. But I do not like Dyson because in my opinion he's full of shit. He's an opportunist who uses his degrees to act as if he knows everything. He got his "big break" by writing that terrible book on Tupac. He's Michael Wilbon with a weak fade in my opinion



Michael Eric Dyson is intelligent, yet he made a remark years ago that inner city kids could learn more from Hip hop than they could the civil rights struggle??? I mean come on... as a holder of a Phd.... I found this to be intellectually baffling... and laughable.. He could not have meant that-- he must have been trying to gain followers and sell some books. Cornell West on the other hand has flip flopped from his post modernist and flight analysis diatribes to being respectable in his critiques of HUSSEIN OBAMA... He has let him have it and he and ME Dyson have been among the few Black people with the balls to call out OBAMA on his weak leadership.. ME Dyson more than likely will make it somewhat comfortable for Floyd... coming from Detroit Michigan and Floyd being loved in Detroit... I don't see him attacking or playing devils advocate that much... yet again HBO may have paid him to bring out his intellectual sword on Floyd.. we will see
Cshel86
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That interview was "irritatingly funny", at best! There are several questions in boxing that will NEVER be answered, and for the ones that we have been provided answers to, I still tend to scratch my head about them.

As for Mayweather, he's usually asked a question, but as we all see...he fails to answer them (by choice). The reason for that is, most of the time, his words end up getting twisted up and people will still hate for the "big fight" not happening, so why answer anything?

I agree, he doesn't make it easy on himslef, and the questions that he chooses not to answer, often times get answered for him. Those assumed answers are usually combined with people's personal feelings about him and again...him solely being blamed for the fight not happening.

As for his "megafight counterpart", when he's asked questions about anything, his team usually barges in and tries to answer it, so he wont blow it. Either that, or he says what his team tells him to say, which for the most part, is a long drawn out series of "Uhhhs" and "We want the fighhhts". Those answers are often taken as the gospel, for what reason? Who knows...
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 30 2012, 08:52 AM) *
Michael Eric Dyson is intelligent, yet he made a remark years ago that inner city kids could learn more from Hip hop than they could the civil rights struggle??? I mean come on... as a holder of a Phd.... I found this to be intellectually baffling... and laughable.. He could not have meant that-- he must have been trying to gain followers and sell some books. Cornell West on the other hand has flip flopped from his post modernist and flight analysis diatribes to being respectable in his critiques of HUSSEIN OBAMA... He has let him have it and he and ME Dyson have been among the few Black people with the balls to call out OBAMA on his weak leadership.. ME Dyson more than likely will make it somewhat comfortable for Floyd... coming from Detroit Michigan and Floyd being loved in Detroit... I don't see him attacking or playing devils advocate that much... yet again HBO may have paid him to bring out his intellectual sword on Floyd.. we will see



Dr. Dyson in that quote about the inner city kids I had to really dissect and reconstruct the quote. What I came up with was: inner city youth have more in common with the hip hop era than they do the Civil Rights. I guess in the early stages of rap it was revolutionary music and protest music so I can see that angle I can also see how hip hop in the early years was like the civil rights. The content for which the talked about. The shit that is out now is pure garbage. It is a waste.

Dr. West I think lost himself. As far as the criticism of Obama I think people were expecting him to be their Moses. He has done some things that I really do not understand but what I can say about President Obama he is the first US president who told Israel to fall the hell back. Which is why a lot of Jews do not like him. I can give him that

As far as Dr. Dyson and Floyd, I really hope they focus more on the side that we do not get to see, the family side, being a father, his upbringing in Grand Rapids. His relationship with his father. What he plans on doing after he retires. What are his views on people's perception of him etc. If a Pacquiao questions does come up I really hope it is phrased this way "Why do you feel most of the boxing world and boxing fans think Manny Pacquiao is a better fighter than you? That is a question I would loved to be asked.
Cshel86
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 30 2012, 09:52 AM) *
Michael Eric Dyson is intelligent, yet he made a remark years ago that inner city kids could learn more from Hip hop than they could the civil rights struggle??? I mean come on... as a holder of a Phd.... I found this to be intellectually baffling... and laughable.

I don't see him attacking or playing devils advocate that much... yet again HBO may have paid him to bring out his intellectual sword on Floyd.. we will see

Good post, but I have to disagree with the first part. As baffling as it sounds (his statement), it's true. I mean seriously, who does most of today's youth follow and look at as Gods? Yep, you got it...rappers.

Hell, kids tune in like crazy when guys like T.I. (who cant get his life together worth damn), attempt to speak intelligently and "educate" today's youth, but the motherfucker cant stop doing what he's doing. He just uses intellect to cover up his BS, while finding new ways to do what he's telling others NOT to do.

I was listening to the radio a few years back after the Hip-Hop vs America aired, and there were actually idiots who called into the radio show and made statements like, "Rev. Al Sharpton needs to sit his behind down somewhere, he doesn't know what these artists have been through". Seriously bitch?

Other than that, I found it funny how HBO is actually airing this interview, rather than another network. So as you mentioned, Dyson may be getting paid to swing the intellectual sword at Floyd. I guess they think (and I hope this isn't true)," let's find a well-known African American activist of some sort who's from Floyd's background, and let's see if we can get questions answered".

neophyte7
The statement that kids "can" learn more from hip hop than the civil rights struggle is false.. Hip Hop has nowhere near the historical lessons and wisdom of the civil rights struggle.. Picture Jews stating nonsense like this relative to their history and struggle!!! The truth is that these dumbed down motherfuckers would rather listen to rap filth than to learn from the civil rights struggle.. now that is an accurate analysis and statement...
Cshel86
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 30 2012, 11:00 AM) *
The statement that kids "can" learn more from hip hop than the civil rights struggle is false.. Hip Hop has nowhere near the historical lessons and wisdom of the civil rights struggle.. Picture Jews stating nonsense like this relative to their history and struggle!!! The truth is that these dumbed down motherfuckers would rather listen to rap filth than to learn from the civil rights struggle.. now that is an accurate analysis and statement...

I wholeheartedly agree (with the bold). I hope I didn't play into his theory about kids learning more from hip hop, than the civil rights struggle...but you pretty much summed up what I was stating.

Nowadays, a lot of these youngsters would much rather follow rap music and say that they learned x, y, and z, from some dim-witted rapper, because that person "knows their struggle". When it comes to the civil rights movement, most of these young retards cant recall most of the events. If so, it's usually some half-assed, lazy, rhetoric that they heard from someone else.

There are very few young people that actually know their history, and some of that is to be blamed on the school system (which has carried the blame long enough), but mostly, the media is to be blamed. When protests, conventions, and so forth, are being held for a cause, and yields participation from the younger generation, it gets overshadowed.

The bullshit that overshadows it, is usually some celebrity nonsense, and the insanely inflated utilization of social networks...which has played a tremendous part in the ever-growing retardation/dumbing down of what really matters. Those networks are used for great causes, but again, it gets overshadowed by nonsense.

With that said, it makes it THAT much harder for this generation to grasp history, and half of the time...current events that REALLY matters. Bullshit is the trend nowadays, so guys like Dyson and West are becoming more and more overlooked, and the front runners are retarded rappers (not all of them), and they usually get the final say. They can fuck up tremendously, THEN turn around and "do something for the community", and people instantly become sheep.

Mind you, there ARE some rappers/hip hop artists out there who DO carry themselves responsibly, and are useful to the community. Not every rapper is dumb and not to be followed, but there very few that walk a straight path and help the younger generation. I wish Dyson would link up with THOSE guys, more often. I will find some stuff to post in a few...
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 30 2012, 10:00 AM) *
The statement that kids "can" learn more from hip hop than the civil rights struggle is false.. Hip Hop has nowhere near the historical lessons and wisdom of the civil rights struggle.. Picture Jews stating nonsense like this relative to their history and struggle!!! The truth is that these dumbed down motherfuckers would rather listen to rap filth than to learn from the civil rights struggle.. now that is an accurate analysis and statement...


If you listened to the music of the 60s and that time period is very strong and socially conscious. Rappers now with the exception of a few (Lupe, Common, Black Star etc.) are not socially conscious what so ever. As much shit is Kayne spouts off and that bore of a rapper Jay Z where are they with this Trayvon Martin case? Where is the rappers, the cats who say the hate the police and they are about they hood blah blah. They are quiet as a church mouse. Sinead O' Conner even spoke out. Prince wore a hoodie! Prince! There is this am station on in Atlanta that I listen to and they asked these kids who started the Million man March and this chic said "Martin Luther King!" So Dr. Dyson in that context is correct if these rappers actually become conscious then you will see a difference in our youth. But if and they will continue to talk about sex, drugs, recklessness, youth, and ignorance then this is the result.

Dr. Dyson like you say likes to ride the fence. He wants to connect to the youth as well as academia but again you shouldn't compromise not every will hear or understand your message. Educated fool is what he comes across sometimes but again I feel where he is coming from. How do you reach the youth?

QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 30 2012, 11:11 AM) *
I wholeheartedly agree (with the bold). I hope I didn't play into his theory about kids learning more from hip hop, than the civil rights struggle...but you pretty much summed up what I was stating.

Nowadays, a lot of these youngsters would much rather follow rap music and say that they learned x, y, and z, from some dim-witted rapper, because that person "knows their struggle". When it comes to the civil rights movement, most of these young retards cant recall most of the events. If so, it's usually some half-assed, lazy, rhetoric that they heard from someone else.

There are very few young people that actually know their history, and some of that is to be blamed on the school system (which has carried the blame long enough), but mostly, the media is to be blamed. When protests, conventions, and so forth, are being held for a cause, and yields participation from the younger generation, it gets overshadowed.

The bullshit that overshadows it, is usually some celebrity nonsense, and the insanely inflated utilization of social networks...which has played a tremendous part in the ever-growing retardation/dumbing down of what really matters. Those networks are used for great causes, but again, it gets overshadowed by nonsense.

With that said, it makes it THAT much harder for this generation to grasp history, and half of the time...current events that REALLY matters. Bullshit is the trend nowadays, so guys like Dyson and West are becoming more and more overlooked, and the front runners are retarded rappers (not all of them), and they usually get the final say. They can fuck up tremendously, THEN turn around and "do something for the community", and people instantly become sheep.

Mind you, there ARE some rappers/hip hop artists out there who DO carry themselves responsibly, and are useful to the community. Not every rapper is dumb and not to be followed, but there very few that walk a straight path and help the younger generation. I wish Dyson would link up with THOSE guys, more often. I will find some stuff to post in a few...


They are hardly dumb what they are: opportunistic, sell outs, selfish, ignorant, snake oil salesmen, disgrace to their craft, followers, price tag artist! The shit that they spew is garbage! The only thing that takes to get a hit song and excuse my language are fucking some random person, popping bottles, making it rain, and talk about how the have paper. That is all they ever talk about and we wonder teen pregnancy is high.


I am off topic bottom line is, this interview will be fresh because this hasn't been done so hopefully Dr. Dyson will not disappoint neither will Floyd.
daprofessor
the truth of the matter is that the civil rights movement paved the way for hip hop. we live in a time where the circumstances are dramatically different. i'm not all convinced that the civil rights movement was as great as some portray it to be. sure, many things have changed and paved the way for african americans to operate and function in an unsegregated society but that has happened at the cost of black business. before the civil rights movement, black folk had many businesses in their own communities. banks, insurance companies, stores...etc..etc. all black owned and operated. since then...black dollars have left black communities and have not found their way back. that to me is the travesty in it all. aside from that...there is no denying that the movement paved the way for hip hop. what is sickening to me is how plenty of rappers have had a voice and connection with the masses and have pissed it away because they didn't have the understanding or knowledge to lead the ppl.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 01:03 PM) *
As much shit is Kayne spouts off and that bore of a rapper Jay Z where are they with this Trayvon Martin case?

It's Kanye, and as far as that Martin case...let's PLEASE leave that out of this discussion. Im soooo tired of hearing about that mess, which has actually turned more into a trens...just as any other tragedy has in the past.

Dont expect EVERYBODY to speak out about it, though that should be the case. Guys like Kanye (who is quite intelligent by the way), will end up catching flack for speaking out about it. Imagine if Floyd spoke out about it...every little word that came out of his mouth would be twisted and blown out of proportion, due to his past interviews and such.

Again, JUST because celebrities aren't publicly speaking out about, that doesn't mean that they dont care. I would much rather leave it to the activist and use as little celebrities as possible. Dyson could a field day with this tragedy, but as far as he goes, let's hope that this Mayweather interview will be productive.

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 30 2012, 01:12 PM) *
what is sickening to me is how plenty of rappers have had a voice and connection with the masses and have pissed it away because they didn't have the understanding or knowledge to lead the ppl.

And they call you daprofessor because? laugh.gif I absolutely love this post man! The last sentence stuck out the most, though I agree with the rest. It's the person with the most power, who usually utilizes it in the worst manner.

That isn't always the case though. Some of these rappers have the most influence, but their actions nullify that shit as a whole. It's almost like giving a raging blind man a gun in a room full of people...and he's positioned right at the front door.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 30 2012, 01:34 PM) *
It's Kanye, and as far as that Martin case...let's PLEASE leave that out of this discussion. Im soooo tired of hearing about that mess, which has actually turned more into a trens...just as any other tragedy has in the past.

Dont expect EVERYBODY to speak out about it, though that should be the case. Guys like Kanye (who is quite intelligent by the way), will end up catching flack for speaking out about it. Imagine if Floyd spoke out about it...every little word that came out of his mouth would be twisted and blown out of proportion, due to his past interviews and such.

Again, JUST because celebrities aren't publicly speaking out about, that doesn't mean that they dont care. I would much rather leave it to the activist and use as little celebrities as possible. Dyson could a field day with this tragedy, but as far as he goes, let's hope that this Mayweather interview will be productive.


And they call you daprofessor because? laugh.gif I absolutely love this post man! The last sentence stuck out the most, though I agree with the rest. It's the person with the most power, who usually utilizes it in the worst manner.

That isn't always the case though. Some of these rappers have the most influence, but their actions nullify that shit as a whole. It's almost like giving a raging blind man a gun in a room full of people...and he's positioned right at the front door.


Yo you realized you just back paddled from your above statement. That was my point, they have the largest voice and chose to do nothing with it. That is why I dig Ali, John Carlos and Tom Smith, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, AC Green, even Mike Tyson and a slue of others who were not afraid to speak out. They were not afraid of public criticism no matter how bad it was. And I can give a shit how to spell his name (that is no stab at you). And Floyd should speak out one should not be controlled by society and popularity. That is how people turn into robots and sheep. That is the problem people are afraid and too damn self conscious. Favorite NWA song FUCK THE POLICE! It was political in your face realness. I dare a "rapper" to spit something like that. The case of Trayvon Martin needs to be discussed not necessarily on this board but yeah that hit home.

The problem with rappers, rockers, and R&B it is not longer about art or creativity it is about how can I make a quick 100K. Think about it, what was the last album that made you think. My homegirl was like I don't listen to the lyrics I just like the beats. And there is the problem.

Your last comment will say this... why do we (society) give them that much power? Should someone like Lil Wayne really have a audience that actually follows him? I am not shitting on Lil Wayne but his whole style is chump. And the names of these rappers are even worse. It is a type of social engineering that has completely gotten out of control. It is a blind man like you said with a gun that is leading other blind people, it can not turn out well.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 03:40 PM) *
Yo you realized you just back paddled from your above statement. That was my point, they have the largest voice and chose to do nothing with it. That is why I dig Ali, John Carlos and Tom Smith, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, AC Green, even Mike Tyson and a slue of others who were not afraid to speak out. They were not afraid of public criticism no matter how bad it was. And I can give a shit how to spell his name (that is no stab at you). And Floyd should speak out one should not be controlled by society and popularity. That is how people turn into robots and sheep. That is the problem people are afraid and too damn self conscious. Favorite NWA song FUCK THE POLICE! It was political in your face realness. I dare a "rapper" to spit something like that. The case of Trayvon Martin needs to be discussed not necessarily on this board but yeah that hit home.

I didn't backpedal ANYTHING...that post was intended for daprofessor, not to necessarily support your post. Im not against people speaking out about anything, but it's at the discretion of the ones who catch the most hell, to choose whether or not they're ready for a headache.

As we all know by now, we live in a society where people walk around with a hurt ass, and most are quick to result to legal action, at the moment that they're offended.

If this dude (Floyd) cant even speak his mind about an Asian basketball player, without the media crying with their thumb up their ass, then he has every right to decide whether or not he wants to deal with the headache from the media and the Martin case.

As far as Kanye (an intelligent and outspoken person), he also has the right to decide whether he wants to deal with the hurt ass of the media. Everyone has the right to their own level of peace, so him not speaking out about an injustice, or privately speaking on it (as he may have done), keeps him at peace, then good for him.

Now, let me get off of the Martin case, since it's clear that you have recall issues when I say "let's not discuss it" and you're pretty clever at getting what you want in discussions (even if you're willing to be verbally slaughtered on the forum to get it).

As far as the whole "being outspoken" and not caring about the repercussions, that's not always the best idea. Usually the people who take it and run with it, are the sheep, because they aimlessly commit acts based off of emotion and what somebody said. That "somebody" may not always be the person to pull from, THAT's why they tell people to know the law for THEMSELVES...ever heard of "different strokes for different folks"?

That whole NWA bullshit was cool for a second, but the fact that those guys in the group have grown up, have families, and become wiser about what they say and do is great. Problem is, there are still some sheep and robots who live by that whole "fuck the police" mentality, and the ones who lived by it at that present time, caused a big ruckus.

Another somewhat influential figure (2Pac) lived by that "fuck the police" mentality, and got sucked into the bullshit (joining a fuckin' gang late in life), ended up suffering the consequences. He had several sheep and robots...guess what they did when he died? There were crazy riots in Cali after he died, and didn't help the perception of black black people having some type of leader with a raw edge...it just backfired and further validated the assumed perception of all black people being wild and clueless.

Again, just because people aren't afraid to speak out without worrying about the consequences, doesn't always make it right...EVEN if it appears to make sense. I know that sounds crazy, but there's a way things need to be said, before they're projected, or else, those sheep and robots take it the wrong way and shit happens from there.

At one point, we had a bunch of clueless rebels (which is highly dangerous), walking around with the "fuck the police" attitude, living by it, killing each other in the process (which is STILL stupid), and using the "I'm black, I have no rights, and life unfair" mentality. How dangerous is that? Again, a group of people, "spoke out" with a "political in your face realness", and look what happened.

The fact that you're dumb enough to say that's your favorite song, is very telling, but yet, why am I not surprised? I almost forgot who I was talking. So at this point, YOU'RE the one that's talking in circles. First, you were all for justice this and justice that, and speaking out to get respect, THEN you totally killed your point by saying that dumb song was your favorite song...not actually sitting back realizing the shit that it's caused since then.

An African American should be extra careful about how they voice their opinions...especially in the media where several people will hear it and react, whether in their favor or against them. It's bad enough that they are looked at in an unfair manner to begin with, so being mindful doesn't make you a punk...you actually get more respect.

Being a loudmouth, uproar-starting, pain in the ass to get your point across...will do nothing more than validate the negative perspective that people already have about you...or they can simply identify to you as Allmenjoi.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 30 2012, 02:34 PM) *
And they call you daprofessor because? laugh.gif I absolutely love this post man! The last sentence stuck out the most, though I agree with the rest. It's the person with the most power, who usually utilizes it in the worst manner.

That isn't always the case though. Some of these rappers have the most influence, but their actions nullify that shit as a whole. It's almost like giving a raging blind man a gun in a room full of people...and he's positioned right at the front door.


thanks. i agree, but those ppl are put in that position by design. these guys do not become popular by accident. maybe in the beginning of hip hop...but they've learned to control and manipulate an artists rise to the top and they have that shit down to a science. i miss the days when we had groups like public enemy and xclan or artists like krs. now, we have cats like mos def or talib who sort of scratch the surface but come no where near where i thought this whole thing would be. i hardly listen to the radio. i have younger heads who tell me...'nah, ur just out of touch. this is the new shit.' but in all honesty...that is exactly what i feel it is...shit. they have no clue. they've missed the lessons. i try to help them understand...but it's an overwhelming task when i have to compete with it all. i pray for them. best advice i can give them....turn off ur tv's and radios and pick up a book. laugh.gif

as for the notion that the younger generation is out of touch and fails to realize how important the civil rights movement was....i agree with that to a certain extent. but the thing that fails to be realized is that times have changed. hip hop has played a major roll in breaking down social barriers that existed prior. it's been hijacked though. it isn't what is was supposed to be. ppl have to improvise/adapt/overcome all obstacles placed in front of them. i think the travon martin case is fucked up. i also believe that we still have a long way to go when it comes to race relations. i know i'm going to piss ppl off by saying this....but i believe that is a distraction to much bigger issues. race is the distraction used to divide and conquer.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 30 2012, 03:43 PM) *
thanks. i agree, but those ppl are put in that position by design. these guys do not become popular by accident. maybe in the beginning of hip hop...but they've learned to control and manipulate an artists rise to the top and they have that shit down to a science. i miss the days when we had groups like public enemy and xclan or artists like krs. now, we have cats like mos def or talib who sort of scratch the surface but come no where near where i thought this whole thing would be. i hardly listen to the radio. i have younger heads who tell me...'nah, ur just out of touch. this is the new shit.' but in all honesty...that is exactly what i feel it is...shit. they have no clue. they've missed the lessons. i try to help them understand...but it's an overwhelming task when i have to compete with it all. i pray for them. best advice i can give them....turn off ur tv's and radios and pick up a book. laugh.gif

as for the notion that the younger generation is out of touch and fails to realize how important the civil rights movement was....i agree with that to a certain extent. but the thing that fails to be realized is that times have changed. hip hop has played a major roll in breaking down social barriers that existed prior. it's been hijacked though. it isn't what is was supposed to be. ppl have to improvise/adapt/overcome all obstacles placed in front of them. i think the travon martin case is fucked up. i also believe that we still have a long way to go when it comes to race relations. i know i'm going to piss ppl off by saying this....but i believe that is a distraction to much bigger issues. race is the distraction used to divide and conquer.

clapping.gif Exactly! well written. Canadian artist and Cuban MCs spit that real.

The sad thing there is no such thing as "race." It is a term like you mentioned is designed to divide and conquer. Marx and Lenin always felt it is a war of the social classes which I fully agree with. Imagine if all the poor people and middle class people came together as one... there would be no Trayvon Martin and other fallen brothers and sisters. I feel that younger generation is looking for a purpose maybe this can be it.
Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 30 2012, 03:16 PM) *
I didn't backpedal ANYTHING...that post was intended for daprofessor, not to necessarily support your post. Im not against people speaking out about anything, but it's at the discretion of the ones who catch the most hell, to choose whether or not they're ready for a headache.

As we all know by now, we live in a society where people walk around with a hurt ass, and most are quick to result to legal action, at the moment that they're offended.

If this dude (Floyd) cant even speak his mind about an Asian basketball player, without the media crying with their thumb up their ass, then he has every right to decide whether or not he wants to deal with the headache from the media and the Martin case.

As far as Kanye (an intelligent and outspoken person), he also has the right to decide whether he wants to deal with the hurt ass of the media. Everyone has the right to their own level of peace, so him not speaking out about an injustice, or privately speaking on it (as he may have done), keeps him at peace, then good for him.

Now, let me get off of the Martin case, since it's clear that you have recall issues when I say "let's not discuss it" and you're pretty clever at getting what you want in discussions (even if you're willing to be verbally slaughtered on the forum to get it).

As far as the whole "being outspoken" and not caring about the repercussions, that's not always the best idea. Usually the people who take it and run with it, are the sheep, because they aimlessly commit acts based off of emotion and what somebody said. That "somebody" may not always be the person to pull from, THAT's why they tell people to know the law for THEMSELVES...ever heard of "different strokes for different folks"?

That whole NWA bullshit was cool for a second, but the fact that those guys in the group have grown up, have families, and become wiser about what they say and do is great. Problem is, there are still some sheep and robots who live by that whole "fuck the police" mentality, and the ones who lived by it at that present time, caused a big ruckus.

Another somewhat influential figure (2Pac) lived by that "fuck the police" mentality, and got sucked into the bullshit (joining a fuckin' gang late in life), ended up suffering the consequences. He had several sheep and robots...guess what they did when he died? There were crazy riots in Cali after he died, and didn't help the perception of black black people having some type of leader with a raw edge...it just backfired and further validated the assumed perception of all black people being wild and clueless.

Again, just because people aren't afraid to speak out without worrying about the consequences, doesn't always make it right...EVEN if it appears to make sense. I know that sounds crazy, but there's a way things need to be said, before they're projected, or else, those sheep and robots take it the wrong way and shit happens from there.

At one point, we had a bunch of clueless rebels (which is highly dangerous), walking around with the "fuck the police" attitude, living by it, killing each other in the process (which is STILL stupid), and using the "I'm black, I have no rights, and life unfair" mentality. How dangerous is that? Again, a group of people, "spoke out" with a "political in your face realness", and look what happened.

The fact that you're dumb enough to say that's your favorite song, is very telling, but yet, why am I not surprised? I almost forgot who I was talking. So at this point, YOU'RE the one that's talking in circles. First, you were all for justice this and justice that, and speaking out to get respect, THEN you totally killed your point by saying that dumb song was your favorite song...not actually sitting back realizing the shit that it's caused since then.

An African American should be extra careful about how they voice their opinions...especially in the media where several people will hear it and react, whether in their favor or against them. It's bad enough that they are looked at in an unfair manner to begin with, so being mindful doesn't make you a punk...you actually get more respect.

Being a loudmouth, uproar-starting, pain in the ass to get your point across...will do nothing more than validate the negative perspective that people already have about you...or they can simply identify to you as Allmenjoi.


Because someone says that people may not agree with should you refrain from talking and speaking your mind? If you answer yes to that then you should never post another comment on this board. If you answer yes then you are justified with your beliefs even if I disagree with you majority of the time, I respect your opinion to extent. The problem with most Black celebrities is they are afraid to speak. Tupac when he was younger or before death row was on it. The things that he said literally was truth. And his fuck the police was off of them fucking with his friends and being crooked. NWA came from the same space. As a people we are not to criticize society but each other. We are the only group of people that have to be critical of each other in public. I do not represent the black race so my words are mine, but if Mayweather says Jeremy Lin is hype because he is Asian what did ESPN and all the other networks do? They went to other black sports analysis to discredit his statement.

Kayne is nothing more than a pawn, because if he was that dude that he was on College dropout he would be in Florida, but he got comfortable and rich and why rock that comfortable lifestyle? James Baldwin's Price of the Ticket says it all. And why should we be extra careful to voice our opinion? Everyone else does, everyone else knows us better that we know ourselves and this is the problem. I say more athletes celebrities need to be socially conscious. This is why the civil rights movement was so powerful because the musicians took up the struggle! They made music dedicated that movement. James Brown "Say it loud, I am black and I am proud!" That is artistry and that is what is missing from this bullshit that is out now, is being apart of something bigger than they so yeah fuck Kayne and the rest of them for not speaking out.

But good points ok.gif
daprofessor
anyone else notice floyd sporting the red black and green in select interviews? i think that's a statement. he isn't the type that can put things into words...so maybe he should do it that way?
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:23 PM) *
Imagine if all the poor people and middle class people came together as one... there would be no Trayvon Martin and other fallen brothers and sisters. I feel that younger generation is looking for a purpose maybe this can be it.

laugh.gif

Are you this dumb every day?...or is it just a Monday, Wednesday, and Friday type deal? What "middle class" do you speak of? That's what made me laugh the most...plenty of activist (Dyson included) have made it clear that there really isn't a middle class. You're either rich or poor...and being poor can be sliced however you want to slice it, but at the end of the day, it is what it is.

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:33 PM) *
Because someone says that people may not agree with should you refrain from talking and speaking your mind? If you answer yes to that then you should never post another comment on this board. If you answer yes then you are justified with your beliefs even if I disagree with you majority of the time, I respect your opinion to extent. The problem with most Black celebrities is they are afraid to speak. Tupac when he was younger or before death row was on it. The things that he said literally was truth. And his fuck the police was off of them fucking with his friends and being crooked. NWA came from the same space. As a people we are not to criticize society but each other. We are the only group of people that have to be critical of each other in public. I do not represent the black race so my words are mine, but if Mayweather says Jeremy Lin is hype because he is Asian what did ESPN and all the other networks do? They went to other black sports analysis to discredit his statement.

Kayne is nothing more than a pawn, because if he was that dude that he was on College dropout he would be in Florida, but he got comfortable and rich and why rock that comfortable lifestyle? James Baldwin's Price of the Ticket says it all. And why should we be extra careful to voice our opinion? Everyone else does, everyone else knows us better that we know ourselves and this is the problem. I say more athletes celebrities need to be socially conscious. This is why the civil rights movement was so powerful because the musicians took up the struggle! They made music dedicated that movement. James Brown "Say it loud, I am black and I am proud!" That is artistry and that is what is missing from this bullshit that is out now, is being apart of something bigger than they so yeah fuck Kayne and the rest of them for not speaking out.

But good points ok.gif

Your idea of speaking out, truly troubles me. I said that African Americans should be more aware of how they relay messages, because as we all know, what "one" does or says, ends up forming a perception of how they "all" are...which is an unfair truth.

I NEVER said that just because someone may not agree with you, then you should never speak out...what are you reading? If anybody should be persecuted for their posts and perspectives, then it should've been you sweetheart...a looooong time ago.

Black celebrities AREN'T afraid to speak, they pick their words and tone carefully (and intelligently), because they are STILL suffering from the backlash of the previous idiot that deemed it okay to "speak out" in the media. Had the first person done it in an intelligent manner, then EVERYBODY wouldn't have to suffer the scrutiny of speaking out. Remember what I said about, what "one" does or says, leaves the remainder to be viewed under the same scope?

Its clear that you have some disdain towards Kanye West, and hopefully that's the reason that you can't stop spelling his name wrong. If you were smart, you would utilize the provided excuse, if not, then I will withhold my opinion about your repeated error. On that note, leave the man alone. For God's sake, stop being one of these butt-hurt people out here, when it comes to the Martin case.

Blame it on the others who have made it more a trend, and be happy that some celebrities aren't speaking out and ending making it more about them, than the actual case. Oh yeah...PLEASE stop talking about the Martin case...Im wondering why that isn't registering with you.

Let's just be glad that we still have guys like Cornell West, Jesse Jackson, Michael Dyson, Al Sharpton (just to name a few), rather than being butt-hurt about which celebrities dont speak up...stop being so emotional and attention-seeking. Just hope that we have a newer generation of the mentioned activists, and adapt to the things that simply wont change.

For God's sake, why should we (African Americans) be loud and belligerent as fuck(as you are suggesting, since 2Pac and NWA did it, and you loved it)...and expect some type of medium and most of all, respect? You're totally blowing this, if you think African Americans should speak out in this manner. The biggest fuckin' problem is, we hardly (if ever) stick together.

The other problem is, the clueless, loudmouth, nuttbrains (present company excluded), feel that we should be borderline belligerent, in order to be heard and respected. The funny thing is, I've asked you several times to stop talking about this case, but yet, you ignore me, continue to talk about it anyway, then wonder why you catch hell. Oops my bad, that's the point that you've been arguing the whole time...for black people to be ignorant, belligerent, and rebellious in order to get respect.

Again...I forgot who I was talking to...
Sunni6Killer
Dyson is an awful person.
Filthy rich, thanks to race hustling.
mgrover
while i listen to rappers, rockers etc etc and enjoy there music, I don't base my way of life around it, and never have I've been listening to 2pac, kanye, jayz, lupe, immortal technique, or bands like rise against, since i was 13, and I never once thought oh I've gotta do this cause they said so, the root of the problem isn't there influences, it's the parenting, yet everyone always seems to want to blame someone else.
Cshel86
QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 30 2012, 06:49 PM) *
while i listen to rappers, rockers etc etc and enjoy there music, I don't base my way of life around it, and never have I've been listening to 2pac, kanye, jayz, lupe, immortal technique, or bands like rise against, since i was 13, and I never once thought oh I've gotta do this cause they said so, the root of the problem isn't there influences, it's the parenting, yet everyone always seems to want to blame someone else.

I understand what you're saying, and at the end of the day (as you mentioned), parenting plays a big part in it. We were deep in this discussion, due to the heavy influence that rap and hip hop has on the community.

While discussing rap music, I was eventually going to tie it into Floyd's image (per say), since it's somewhat based off the hip hop industry and markets the hip hop industry. With that said, Im pretty sure Dyson is going to question Floyd's flashy image (to an extent), and the effect that it has on the black community as whole.

It's also sad that Dyson is relatively unknown by the younger generation, due to the heavy influence of the rap industry...I can no longer call it hip hop. That's where the big fuss about rappers and such came from.

Somebody (Allmenjoi) believes that African Americans should be loud, belligerent, and rebellious in order to get their point across and be respected when "speaking out"...which is totally dumb. I told her that African Americans have to be more mindful of how they publicly speak out due to the past and cultural stereotypes, but she believes the NWA "fuck the police" approach is amusing and acceptable...which again, is straight dumb.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 30 2012, 07:41 PM) *
I understand what you're saying, and at the end of the day (as you mentioned), parenting plays a big part in it. We were deep in this discussion, due to the heavy influence that rap and hip hop has on the community.

While discussing rap music, I was eventually going to tie it into Floyd's image (per say), since it's somewhat based off the hip hop industry and markets the hip hop industry. With that said, Im pretty sure Dyson is going to question Floyd's flashy image (to an extent), and the effect that it has on the black community as whole.


u think so? i think he took a page out of ali's book with the trash talk. i just think he has less wit and character than ali so it comes across in a much less entertaining light.
mgrover
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 31 2012, 12:41 AM) *
Somebody (Allmenjoi) believes that African Americans should be loud, belligerent, and rebellious in order to get their point across and be respected when "speaking out"...which is totally dumb. I told her that African Americans have to be more mindful of how they publicly speak out due to the past and cultural stereotypes, but she believes the NWA "fuck the police" approach is amusing and acceptable...which again, is straight dumb.


see I have quite a few black friends who fucking hate it when other black people act like that, because funnily enough they don't like that stereotype being attached to them.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 31 2012, 12:52 AM) *
u think so? i think he took a page out of ali's book with the trash talk. i just think he has less wit and character than ali so it comes across in a much less entertaining light.


doesn't really seem like there's many people in this world left with wit, they just seem to outright insult other people.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 30 2012, 07:52 PM) *
u think so? i think he took a page out of ali's book with the trash talk. i just think he has less wit and character than ali so it comes across in a much less entertaining light.

Yep absolutely! I read about the "Money Mayweather" persona a few years ago, and Ellerbe explained how Floyd's image pretty much caters to the hip hop community, and is stemmed from the hip hop community.

It's dead obvious nowadays...he flashes money, wears flashy jewelry, rolls with 50 Cent, rolls with Ray J (sometimes), The Money Team, expensive cars, expensive and flashy clothes, and the list goes on...the prognosis is out there. laugh.gif

Cant forget about Philthy Rich Records, the Rick Ross beef (from back in the day when Ross and 50 had beef), and not to mention he's rapped on a few songs, and had one of his own.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 30 2012, 07:54 PM) *
doesn't really seem like there's many people in this world left with wit, they just seem to outright insult other people.


it's definitely a thing of the past.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 30 2012, 07:56 PM) *
Yep absolutely! I read about the "Money Mayweather" persona a few years ago, and Ellerbe explained how Floyd's image pretty much caters to the hip hop community, and is stemmed from the hip hop community.

It's dead obvious nowadays...he flashes money, wears flashy jewelry, rolls with 50 Cent, rolls with Ray J (sometimes), The Money Team, expensive cars, expensive and flashy clothes, and the list goes on...the prognosis is out there. laugh.gif

Cant forget about Philthy Rich Records, the Rick Ross beef (from back in the day when Ross and 50 had beef), and not to mention he's rapped on a few songs, and had one of his own.


well...the shit is soooo watered down these days. i guess it is. for the record....ray j and rick ross suck ass. 50 cent is ok, i guess. philthy rich records produced how many hits? laugh.gif
neophyte7
This will be an interesting interview. Floyd mayweather has matured verbally and he gives some rather interesting insights. He is not Einstein, yet he is not not a dumby. People gave him flack over his "slave wages" remark relative to an HBO fight deal he turned down years ago.. I understood his point, and that let me know May was smarter than people thought... Now look at his wages!!! I am looking forward to this interview
Hotsauce
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 30 2012, 06:56 PM) *
Yep absolutely! I read about the "Money Mayweather" persona a few years ago, and Ellerbe explained how Floyd's image pretty much caters to the hip hop community, and is stemmed from the hip hop community.

It's dead obvious nowadays...he flashes money, wears flashy jewelry, rolls with 50 Cent, rolls with Ray J (sometimes), The Money Team, expensive cars, expensive and flashy clothes, and the list goes on...the prognosis is out there. laugh.gif

Cant forget about Philthy Rich Records, the Rick Ross beef (from back in the day when Ross and 50 had beef), and not to mention he's rapped on a few songs, and had one of his own.







Allmenjoi8
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:23 PM) *
laugh.gif

Are you this dumb every day?...or is it just a Monday, Wednesday, and Friday type deal? What "middle class" do you speak of? That's what made me laugh the most...plenty of activist (Dyson included) have made it clear that there really isn't a middle class. You're either rich or poor...and being poor can be sliced however you want to slice it, but at the end of the day, it is what it is.


Your idea of speaking out, truly troubles me. I said that African Americans should be more aware of how they relay messages, because as we all know, what "one" does or says, ends up forming a perception of how they "all" are...which is an unfair truth.

I NEVER said that just because someone may not agree with you, then you should never speak out...what are you reading? If anybody should be persecuted for their posts and perspectives, then it should've been you sweetheart...a looooong time ago.

Black celebrities AREN'T afraid to speak, they pick their words and tone carefully (and intelligently), because they are STILL suffering from the backlash of the previous idiot that deemed it okay to "speak out" in the media. Had the first person done it in an intelligent manner, then EVERYBODY wouldn't have to suffer the scrutiny of speaking out. Remember what I said about, what "one" does or says, leaves the remainder to be viewed under the same scope?

Its clear that you have some disdain towards Kanye West, and hopefully that's the reason that you can't stop spelling his name wrong. If you were smart, you would utilize the provided excuse, if not, then I will withhold my opinion about your repeated error. On that note, leave the man alone. For God's sake, stop being one of these butt-hurt people out here, when it comes to the Martin case.

Blame it on the others who have made it more a trend, and be happy that some celebrities aren't speaking out and ending making it more about them, than the actual case. Oh yeah...PLEASE stop talking about the Martin case...Im wondering why that isn't registering with you.

Let's just be glad that we still have guys like Cornell West, Jesse Jackson, Michael Dyson, Al Sharpton (just to name a few), rather than being butt-hurt about which celebrities dont speak up...stop being so emotional and attention-seeking. Just hope that we have a newer generation of the mentioned activists, and adapt to the things that simply wont change.

For God's sake, why should we (African Americans) be loud and belligerent as fuck(as you are suggesting, since 2Pac and NWA did it, and you loved it)...and expect some type of medium and most of all, respect? You're totally blowing this, if you think African Americans should speak out in this manner. The biggest fuckin' problem is, we hardly (if ever) stick together.

The other problem is, the clueless, loudmouth, nuttbrains (present company excluded), feel that we should be borderline belligerent, in order to be heard and respected. The funny thing is, I've asked you several times to stop talking about this case, but yet, you ignore me, continue to talk about it anyway, then wonder why you catch hell. Oops my bad, that's the point that you've been arguing the whole time...for black people to be ignorant, belligerent, and rebellious in order to get respect.

Again...I forgot who I was talking to...


I forgot who I was talking to. Number one where did I say to be loud and belligerent? Number 2 I hate loud people regardless of race. Your entire is ridiculous. What I said was that people who have a voice should use it and speak out. What I do not like is people who use their platform for ignorance. Dude you can not read or comprehend for shit. I said Tupac if you have ever seen or heard his interviews from prison and other venues was very intelligent. His music before he got to death row displayed his thought process. NWA did a song that basically was the sentiment of a lot of inner city youth. I did not say that they were spoken persons for an entire group of people. And again who did I say needs to be belligerent? For crying out loud I mentioned Huey P. Newton, Ali, Karem, (and I did not mention Jessie Jackson I have never been a fan of that guy) and other giants in the community. I do not respect ignorance on any level and for you to fuckin twist my words so you can come out looking like whoever just further proves my theory about you. You are an A 1 asshole. For your information I applaud Dr. West, Dr. Dyson, Rev Al, and Melissa Harris, Louis Henry Gates (even though I disagree with him on some things), Angela Davis, Danny Glover and a list of others, Louis Farrakhan who I love. Matter of fact if you go back and read what I actually said I said I do not listen to garbage that is out. So again where did I say we should be loud and ignorant? You are special

There is a middle class it is disappearing by the minute. So yeah if I said imagine if all poor people and the middle class got together it would be a power thing. A poor person in Russia has more in common with a poor person in America. They can relate. Same thing with the middle class, their word is disappearing. The reason why Martin Luther King was shot was not because of the civil rights because his next move was trying to unify poor and middle class whites with poor and middle class blacks. And to clarify my position, I think education is the only way to go. You are are dismissed. You hear and read what you want.

Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 03:40 PM) *
That is why I dig Ali, John Carlos and Tom Smith, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, AC Green, even Mike Tyson and a slue of others who were not afraid to speak out. They were not afraid of public criticism no matter how bad it was.

I dig a lot of the stuff that Mike Tyson says as well...but ONLY when it pertains to his past and present actions. I would love for Tyson to speak out about current issues...problem is, Mike Tyson is still attempting to clean up his past actions.

His past actions were outrageous, to say the least, and the sad thing is, people are STILL looking at him as the same person he was back then. He even admits that his past actions (and words) were spoken out of immaturity (and other things) and he THOUGHT that those were the right things to do and say back then.

Point is, he is still catching flack from shit that he did in the past...and he appears the be a new person with a new mindset. Do you think he is given the opportunity to speak on behalf of today's current events? Hardly so...

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 03:40 PM) *
And Floyd should speak out one should not be controlled by society and popularity. That is how people turn into robots and sheep. That is the problem people are afraid and too damn self conscious.

One should not be controlled by society and popularity?! Really? If they are smart, then they would look at all the hell that past public figures had to endure (mostly because of their impulsive behaviors), so that should be a clear indicator to be a bit self conscious.

Like I KEEP telling your feeble-minded ass...we are STILL being viewed under the same scope as the ones who have acted and spoken before us...well, the negative stuff anyway.

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 03:40 PM) *
Favorite NWA song FUCK THE POLICE! It was political in your face realness. I dare a "rapper" to spit something like that.

This is the beginning of you con-signing with ignorance. These "rappers" nowadays (dumb or smart, but especially dumb) are still living by that "fuck the police" mentality, and they are being persecuted in the same manner when it comes to the justice system.

That "fuck the police" attitude is merely the entry level mindset the new generation of dumb rappers, and they still act on it. The "smart" rappers and hip hop artists may have that same view, but they're not dumb enough to carry themselves in that manner. Should they ever speak out about it, they do it in an INTELLIGENT manner.

That "fuck the police" mentality is STILL in circulation today, and its sad that everyone isn't able to process things like this and carefully use it in a positive manner, and understand that there's a time and place for everything. We have youth and even adults, who run with bits and pieces of things that fit their lifestyle or current situation/mindset, and they totally omit the true parts that need to be thought out.

This is the reason that things need to be relayed intelligently, so dumbasses wont hear stuff like "fuck the police", "fuck the government", and feel that they're lifestyle will be the same as the people who actually got lucky enough to become something.

Example: A rap artist who went from hell and back (no family, hard childhood, sold drugs, been to jail, etc), becomes this huge celebrity after years of hard work...some youth (even adults) feel that they can do all of those things, and become a big star one day. Nope! They hear too much of the stuff in the songs and not enough of the positive twist involved to elevate that person to their current status.

For God's sake, we have the hosts of 106th & Park, actually "welcoming" these rappers home from jail no2.gif

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:33 PM) *
Because someone says that people may not agree with should you refrain from talking and speaking your mind?

You have to look at some of the idiots in the past that said and did things that ruined it for people today.

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:33 PM) *
The problem with most Black celebrities is they are afraid to speak. Tupac when he was younger or before death row was on it. The things that he said literally was truth. And his fuck the police was off of them fucking with his friends and being crooked. NWA came from the same space.

Again, they aren't afraid to speak out, but they are a line behind these other idiots who "spoke out" in whatever manner they chose. Tupac was a smart person, but his late lifestyle led many in the wrong direction. His lyrics painted vivid pictures, but again, his lifestyle and public actions didn't match.

We STILL have people today that live by 2Pac's music, but not everything that he did, matched his words (which were nearly perfect in a sense).

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:33 PM) *
I do not represent the black race so my words are mine

Sorry sweetheart, but this doesn't fly with me, nor will it fly with the public...if they're dumb enough to allow you to share that garage in your head. Trust me when I say, whether these public figures want to be role models or not, somebody (adult and/or child) is following what they say or do.

Their words and actions dont just drift away in the wind. If you dont want to be a role model or "positively recognized"...the media will find a way for you to be noticed...whether they put your dirty laundry out there, or add more dirt to what's already out there.

So, if you were on the news today (looking and sounding as dim-witted as you are), it would be somewhat of a reflection of how your race is. Hate to put it that way, but public perception has a way of being twisted and generalized.

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:33 PM) *
And why should we be extra careful to voice our opinion? Everyone else does, everyone else knows us better that we know ourselves and this is the problem.

Im not going to explain why...you dont seem to be getting it anyway. And yes, everyone either knows us better than we know ourselves, or their distributed public perception of us (whether true or false) has spoken volumes.

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:33 PM) *
I say more athletes celebrities need to be socially conscious.

Oh NOOOOOW they need to be socially conscious. Wow...the master of backtracking has revealed herself/itself/whatever you are. FIRST, you said that African Americans dont need to "be controlled by society and popularity" and they are "too damn self conscious"...NOW they need to be socially conscious.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Apr 2 2012, 10:23 AM) *
Number one where did I say to be loud and belligerent? Number 2 I hate loud people regardless of race.

1. Well, you did say that your favorite song was "Fuck The Police", and you appeared to have like 2Pac's way of doing things...sooooo??? Obviously, according to you, people are too damn self conscious, so iif they aren't self conscious or even careful about how they speak out, then what other option is left?

2. Just read my response to your first point, and that should answer it.

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Apr 2 2012, 10:23 AM) *
What I do not like is people who use their platform for ignorance.

You apparently like "Fuck The Police" and that song caused a huge uproar not to mention violence. You "dig" Mike Tyson because he doesn't care what the public thinks of him.

Yet, he goes off on wild rants and tells people that he will "fuck them until they love him" and he will "eat their children". He used that press conference as "a platform", and look what he did with it. I doubt that the media will use him to speak out against current crimes and such.

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Apr 2 2012, 10:23 AM) *
NWA did a song that basically was the sentiment of a lot of inner city youth. I did not say that they were spoken persons for an entire group of people.

Weren't they speaking out against police brutality, harassment, etc in that song? I doubt there were any other races in Compton and Crenshaw, receiving this type of treatment, other than young black Americans...but they weren't speaking out for an entire group of people? laugh.gif

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Apr 2 2012, 10:23 AM) *
And again who did I say needs to be belligerent?

Well, you're obviously not a big fan of people speaking out in an intelligent manner and choosing their words carefully. With that said...how else can they speak out? Either be careful how you speak, be a loudmouth, belligerent, rebellious idiot, or say nothing at all.

QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Apr 2 2012, 10:23 AM) *
I do not respect ignorance on any level and for you to fuckin twist my words so you can come out looking like whoever just further proves my theory about you.

But you like the whole NWA approach to being heard and respected? Well at least you did at one point. Just shut the fuck up...

Im sorry sweetheart, but you're still dumb...no matter how much time to spend away from the board. Funny how I made my point on Friday, and you come back on Monday morning, with less than you had on Friday.

You're famous for getting lost in your own posts, and it's clear that it doesn't take much to confuse. Sadly, you're the main culprit, in regards to being responsible for throwing yourself off. No matter how many big name public figures you throw in your posts...you are still lost.

You actually do a good job in the beginning, but deeper into the discussion (in which you choose to go), you're often left with the "deer in the headlights" look. You have done a great job of proving to us that a woman with a grotesque, vomit-inducing face and pea-sized brain, make the perfect marriage.

Now do yourself a favor and take a seat. There's no reason for you take 3 days to come back with a lackluster response, and hope to get some respect for it. Sorry, but you've once again failed...move along jackass.
daprofessor
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 1 2012, 03:54 PM) *
This will be an interesting interview. Floyd mayweather has matured verbally and he gives some rather interesting insights. He is not Einstein, yet he is not not a dumby. People gave him flack over his "slave wages" remark relative to an HBO fight deal he turned down years ago.. I understood his point, and that let me know May was smarter than people thought... Now look at his wages!!! I am looking forward to this interview


i totally agree. i think he handled it wrong...but he was totally right. also, who better to sell a product(floyd) than the man(floyd) who knows it best? arum was busy trying to make him the next ray leonard or oscar delahoya...arum is a fool.
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