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pesticid
So Hatton's names at 140

Kostya
Urango
Vince Philips
Paulie

and Cotto's names at 140
Ndou
Corley
Bailey
Paulie
pesticid
QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 18 2012, 10:08 PM) *
Hatton was too small for 147. I maintain that, but he would have had trouble with zab and corley at 140. I don't think he's overrated but hes not top guy. He's not a pretty fighter but he is effective



It's ok to think that but Zab struggled with a limited Mathyse but oh I get it Mathyse would beat him and so will Maidana and so will Micky Ward and everybody out there yet only two fighters beat him. When I look at Mathyse and maidana I just remember the boxing shut out that Hatton pitched against Urango and I picture the same result against these two crude fighters.

Hatton's boxing was very underrated. Paulie was supposed to give hima boxing lesson, yet he didn't win a second of that fight.
pesticid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9jk2U8FFtM...feature=related

Finally I found it Ricky hatton compilation by Gorilla Productions, enjoy!
Cshel86
QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 09:59 PM) *
Hatton's resume at 140 is better than Cotto's at 140. Hatton beats down Corley, Bailey and N'Dou. They are tailor made for him. Cotto was running away from Ndou even though he broke Ndou's rib.

Tzsuy wasn't past his prime, I have no idea where you get this. You can't support this with any facts.

You list Cotto's win over Malignaggi, which was a competitive fight in which Paulie connected more than a few times and even had Cotto stumbling from a shot or was it a few times that Cotto stumbled. Yet you discredit Hatton's complete domination of Paulie. In that fight it was Paulie who clinched and held cause he was being badly outboxed and hurt. Hatton didn't need to clinch in this fight, he wasn't fighting a strong Urango. Hatton gave Malignaggi a whooping which took a lot of Paulie's confidence away. His first stoppage. He came out of the Cotto fight as a better fighter but he left as a much worse fighter after what Hatton did to him.

He moved up to fight Collazo and while he may have been awarded a gift it was a very competitive fight where Collazo came on strong late in the fight. Hatton's frame isn't build for 147, yet he went ahead with an unheralded Collazo and bullied him with his t-rex arms. Fought Mayweather at the same weight even though it's not his best weight. But back to 140, Cotto would get bulldozed by Hatton at 140. Cotto doesn't like pressure. Mosley, N'dou, Margarito and nobody brought pressure like Hatton. Hatton before the Mayweather fight tears up Cotto at 140. He had beat an elite fighter, stopped the lineal champ. Cotto never beat anybody like that. He beat a past it Mosley at 147 and that's his biggest victory to date but he doesn't beat Hatton at 140.

It's obvious that you're in favor of Hatton, regardless of what happens. Tzsyu was older but had only lost one fight, so that may be your argument as far as him not being over the hill.

If he wasn't shot (like I said), then what was he? Are you saying that Tzsyu was in his prime when he fought Hatton? If so, then we can go ahead and end the debate now. Fact is, he was only fighting once a year after 2001, which classified him as somewhat inactive, which wasn't a good thing for his age at then time.

Fighting an undefeated Paulie and a defeated one, is two different things, and doesn't give Ricky some sort of thumbs up of redemption. Some people would say that Pac's performance against Ricky's was better than Floyd's...yes AND no...that's based on a fan's preference though. One would argue that Hatton wasn't the same after being knocked out by Floyd, and some would argue that Pac would've knocked him out regardless.

You are now making excuses about Ricky not carrying the weight well at WW, so again, let's leave Cotto's WW resume out of it...especially since he's had bigger fights at WW than Hatton.

We can end it at this point that Im about to bring up, or you can continue to debate (either choice is cool with me)...whose record did them the most favors? Check it out...

Miguel Cotto: 32 wins and 2 losses...dealt with his losses and is now en route to the biggest fight of his career

Ricky Hatton: 45wins and 2 losses...dealt with his losses in a depressive coke head manner, and never returned to the ring.

I would say that Cotto had the better competition overall in his career, and has been in more wars, but still has the better career. Hatton had a padded record with two big losses and went out like a biotch...now we have to see him all fat and shit on tv nowadays.

pesticid
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 10:36 PM) *
It's obvious that you're in favor of Hatton, regardless of what happens. Tzsyu was older but had only lost one fight, so that may be your argument as far as him not being over the hill.

If he wasn't shot (like I said), then what was he? Are you saying that Tzsyu was in his prime when he fought Hatton? If so, then we can go ahead and end the debate now. Fact is, he was only fighting once a year after 2001, which classified him as somewhat inactive, which wasn't a good thing for his age at then time.

Fighting an undefeated Paulie and a defeated one, is two different things, and doesn't give Ricky some sort of thumbs up of redemption. Some people would say that Pac's performance against Ricky's was better than Floyd's...yes AND no...that's based on a fan's preference though. One would argue that Hatton wasn't the same after being knocked out by Floyd, and some would argue that Pac would've knocked him out regardless.

You are now making excuses about Ricky not carrying the weight well at WW, so again, let's leave Cotto's WW resume out of it...especially since he's had bigger fights at WW than Hatton.

We can end it at this point that Im about to bring up, or you can continue to debate (either choice is cool with me)...whose record did them the most favors? Check it out...

Miguel Cotto: 32 wins and 2 losses...dealt with his losses and is now en route to the biggest fight of his career

Ricky Hatton: 45wins and 2 losses...dealt with his losses in a depressive coke head manner, and never returned to the ring.

I would say that Cotto had the better competition overall in his career, and has been in more wars, but still has the better career. Hatton had a padded record with two big losses and went out like a biotch...now we have to see him all fat and shit on tv nowadays.


Cotto has the better career overall but Hatton had a better career at 140 that's undeniable. Kostya was 35 and had I don't even know how many wins in a row. He was the favourite to win. Nobody that Cotto fought at 140 was a favourite against Cotto and Cotto faced softer opposition at 140. Cotto may continue to fight and that's cool but when shit starts heating up Cotto doesn;t have the heart that Ricky did. He would quit in a fight, running, holding, taking knees and that's ok but Ricky won't quit a fight. In the ring, Ricky had a bigger heart and a better record at 140.

Cotto destroys Hatton at WW but he gets beat at 140, maybe not destroyed but beat. He doesn't like the pressure and body shots and he wasn't that strong at 140. That's why Bob was giving him these soft touches early.
Cshel86
So Hatton's names at 140

Kostya - retired
Urango - Where is he?
Vince Philips - Where is he?
Paulie - still fighting

and Cotto's names at 140
Ndou- last time I checked, he was a stepping stone for Canelo in 2010
Corley - still fighting and just lost to somebody...its on the tip of my tongue
Bailey - about to fight Mike Jones in June
Paulie - still fighting..this weekend I believe

With these two list...Paulie's the only common opponent that is really doing something at this stage of his career. With that said, Cotto still fought an undefeated Paulie, so to argue that Hatton stopped him two years later isn't all that great of an argument.

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 10:13 PM) *
struggled with a limited Mathyse

Seriously? Limited? C'mon P, I cant even get with this. Matthysse would kill Hatton.

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 10:13 PM) *
Hatton's boxing was very underrated.

The boxing that he learned after he got beat and knocked out over a course of 10 rounds? He fought a Mexican guy after that, and looked shaky, then fought Paulie, which he showed a bit of his "newly found" boxing skill and landed some big shots, but he still showed the same lunging, mauling, overexcited Hatton that we always see.

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 10:49 PM) *
Kostya was 35 and had I don't even know how many wins in a row. He was the favourite to win.

Still didn't answer the question...was Tzsyu in his prime when he fought Hatton?

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 10:49 PM) *
cool but when shit starts heating up Cotto doesn;t have the heart that Ricky did. He would quit in a fight, running, holding, taking knees and that's ok but Ricky won't quit a fight.

When shit heats up, we never have to worry about Ricky running or holding...he usually runs out of shit to do and gets put to sleep. The one fight that I remember him holding and taking a knee in, is the Collazo fight.

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 10:49 PM) *
Cotto destroys Hatton at WW but he gets beat at 140, maybe not destroyed but beat.

Alright, now I know that you're smoking something.
checkleft
QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 18 2012, 09:13 PM) *
It's ok to think that but Zab struggled with a limited Mathyse but oh I get it Mathyse would beat him and so will Maidana and so will Micky Ward and everybody out there yet only two fighters beat him. When I look at Mathyse and maidana I just remember the boxing shut out that Hatton pitched against Urango and I picture the same result against these two crude fighters.

Hatton's boxing was very underrated. Paulie was supposed to give hima boxing lesson, yet he didn't win a second of that fight.

I was feeling your argument until this post. Hatton was good in a limited 140 division in which he didn't fight threats like corley and zab. This past 140 division that was just available would have been his burial. Ortiz would have killed him Peterson could beat him as well as Alexander matthysse maidana and Khan. The only guy I see having trouble with him is maybe Bradley because he might try to exchange and slug but I still see Tim winning.

Slumpage
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:48 PM) *
Wasn't Tzsyu at the end of his rope? I guess the better question here is, who had the better competition at 140?


C'mon Slump, PLEASE dont tell me that you're referring to Manny Pacquiao as "the man" of the division (140) when ricky fought him. If so...well, I hate to break it to ya, but Manny wasn't "the man" of the division, sorry.

No way in the world he could be the man of the division, when he only fought there once, and never fought there again. Again, I hope you're referring to Pacquiao as the man the 140 lb divsion...hopefully I read that wrong.


The counter question for this would be, who finished the round in a better fashion while on queer street, Floyd or Ricky? Last time I checked, Ricky took that "tebow knee" that wasn't rule a knockdown for some reason.

Floyd on the other hand, damn near did a Rapper's Delight dip when his knees buckled, but I dont remember him taking the "knee of refuge" like Ricky.


Yeah you did... I was referring to hatton vs tszyu, Kosta was the "man of the Div" at the time and the lineal champ, Hatton beat him. Can say that he was at the end of his career etc, but a few other fighters tried to retire him and failed, Ricky took everything he had and made him quit. My point was that at 140lb, Cotto didn't achieve anything on that level. Maybe i'm putting too much stock into that signature win for Hatton, but that win made him the Ring champ, and thus "the man". Cotto never made that distinction at 140lb to my knowledge.

Vince Phillips was the only other guy to have beaten Tszyu btw, stopped him in the 10th according to Boxrec, So Hatton having his name on his resume is impressive, regardless of what the dude is doing now, back then he was doing alright.

On the question of Kosta's "prime" status, well he did beat Sharmba Mitchell inside 3 rounds, which was about a year before floyd fought Mitchell, however there was a big period of inactivity before his fight with Hatton, so i hear your argument to some extent. I think he was def at the end of his career and not in his prime, but nowhere near shot or anything.

Manny as the man of a div?? In my opinion you have to be fighting guys at the weight limit to even be in the conversation for divisional supremacy. Manny's been making a habit of avoiding doing that lately, lol!
bnoles4life
QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 18 2012, 10:09 PM) *
I was feeling your argument until this post. Hatton was good in a limited 140 division in which he didn't fight threats like corley and zab. This past 140 division that was just available would have been his burial. Ortiz would have killed him Peterson could beat him as well as Alexander matthysse maidana and Khan. The only guy I see having trouble with him is maybe Bradley because he might try to exchange and slug but I still see Tim winning.


The "headbutt king" wouldn't have that much, if any, trouble w/ Hatton. Bradley, to his credit, is a tough, come forward fighter w/ good defense and inside fighting. In addition, he has pretty good stamina. Lastly, don't forget Bradley went to England and gave it to Witter, a fighter who Ricky didn't seem to have much interest in fighting.
pesticid
QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 19 2012, 08:03 AM) *
Yeah you did... I was referring to hatton vs tszyu, Kosta was the "man of the Div" at the time and the lineal champ, Hatton beat him. Can say that he was at the end of his career etc, but a few other fighters tried to retire him and failed, Ricky took everything he had and made him quit. My point was that at 140lb, Cotto didn't achieve anything on that level. Maybe i'm putting too much stock into that signature win for Hatton, but that win made him the Ring champ, and thus "the man". Cotto never made that distinction at 140lb to my knowledge.

Vince Phillips was the only other guy to have beaten Tszyu btw, stopped him in the 10th according to Boxrec, So Hatton having his name on his resume is impressive, regardless of what the dude is doing now, back then he was doing alright.

On the question of Kosta's "prime" status, well he did beat Sharmba Mitchell inside 3 rounds, which was about a year before floyd fought Mitchell, however there was a big period of inactivity before his fight with Hatton, so i hear your argument to some extent. I think he was def at the end of his career and not in his prime, but nowhere near shot or anything.

Manny as the man of a div?? In my opinion you have to be fighting guys at the weight limit to even be in the conversation for divisional supremacy. Manny's been making a habit of avoiding doing that lately, lol!



Thank you for this! Yet people are saying that he was lucky he didn't face guys like Corley and Zab, this is a joke right? He faced a guy that cut the lights out on Zab and made him quit.
I don't know if Kostya was past his prime just like I don't know if Floyd now is past his prime now. There was nothing to indicate that Kostya was past it, not the youngest but can you say right now that Floyd is past his prime? What would the argument be, he got hit by Mosley?
Slumpage
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM) *
The "headbutt king" wouldn't have that much, if any, trouble w/ Hatton. Bradley, to his credit, is a tough, come forward fighter w/ good defense and inside fighting. In addition, he has pretty good stamina. Lastly, don't forget Bradley went to England and gave it to Witter, a fighter who Ricky didn't seem to have much interest in fighting.


Real talk, Hatton ducked Witter HARD!!

Bradley came over an beat his ass calm, that was the 1st time i'd even seen Timmy, was impressed because i always rated Witter as a slick boxer. I wanted to see how Hatton fared against that style, Floyd sorted that for me tho.. Well Floyd, a check hook and a ring post did, lol! Timmy just gave man the full desert storm and ended Witter's hopes of ever getting a Hatton fight... Almost forgot about that.
pesticid
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 18 2012, 10:53 PM) *
So Hatton's names at 140

Kostya - retired
Urango - Where is he?
Vince Philips - Where is he?
Paulie - still fighting

and Cotto's names at 140
Ndou- last time I checked, he was a stepping stone for Canelo in 2010
Corley - still fighting and just lost to somebody...its on the tip of my tongue
Bailey - about to fight Mike Jones in June
Paulie - still fighting..this weekend I believe

With these two list...Paulie's the only common opponent that is really doing something at this stage of his career. With that said, Cotto still fought an undefeated Paulie, so to argue that Hatton stopped him two years later isn't all that great of an argument.


Seriously? Limited? C'mon P, I cant even get with this. Matthysse would kill Hatton.


The boxing that he learned after he got beat and knocked out over a course of 10 rounds? He fought a Mexican guy after that, and looked shaky, then fought Paulie, which he showed a bit of his "newly found" boxing skill and landed some big shots, but he still showed the same lunging, mauling, overexcited Hatton that we always see.


Still didn't answer the question...was Tzsyu in his prime when he fought Hatton?


When shit heats up, we never have to worry about Ricky running or holding...he usually runs out of shit to do and gets put to sleep. The one fight that I remember him holding and taking a knee in, is the Collazo fight.


Alright, now I know that you're smoking something.



1 - So Cotto's opponents at 140 are better because they are still fighting? So N'dou is better than Kostya and V Philips cause he is still fighting LOL
2 - Paulie wasn't a good win for Hatton cause Cotto beat him by a couple of rounds 2 years earlier - wow just wow - hating full blast aren't we?
3 - Mathyse would kill Hatton cause he lost to Zab and Devon? At this point he would get Urangoed, he needs to show more that what he's shown so far. He needs to prove he can win a fight against a fighter with a respected record
4 -I don't know if Tzsuy was past his prime when he fought Hatton but I know he tore everyone up prior including Zab Judah and he was the favourite against Hatton. Now why do you think he is past his prime, his age alone?
5 - So you remember Hatton taking a knee against Collazo and nothing else from that fight - I don't smoke but I sure don't hate as much as you do.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Slumpage @ Apr 19 2012, 08:03 AM) *
Yeah you did... I was referring to hatton vs tszyu, Kosta was the "man of the Div" at the time and the lineal champ, Hatton beat him. Can say that he was at the end of his career etc, but a few other fighters tried to retire him and failed, Ricky took everything he had and made him quit. My point was that at 140lb, Cotto didn't achieve anything on that level. Maybe i'm putting too much stock into that signature win for Hatton, but that win made him the Ring champ, and thus "the man". Cotto never made that distinction at 140lb to my knowledge.

Vince Phillips was the only other guy to have beaten Tszyu btw, stopped him in the 10th according to Boxrec, So Hatton having his name on his resume is impressive, regardless of what the dude is doing now, back then he was doing alright.

On the question of Kosta's "prime" status, well he did beat Sharmba Mitchell inside 3 rounds, which was about a year before floyd fought Mitchell, however there was a big period of inactivity before his fight with Hatton, so i hear your argument to some extent. I think he was def at the end of his career and not in his prime, but nowhere near shot or anything.

Manny as the man of a div?? In my opinion you have to be fighting guys at the weight limit to even be in the conversation for divisional supremacy. Manny's been making a habit of avoiding doing that lately, lol!

My apologies about reading it wrong, and thats the first time in a while that I felt good about being wrong. laugh.gif I agree that Cotto didn't achieve as much as Hatton did at 140, but Cotto fought opposition that actually tested him. Hatton fought guys that were either past it, or they weren't used to being mauled to death.

I think we are putting a bit too much stock into Hatton, and I would say the same about any Calazghe fan running around saying that he was the best fighter at 168 and 175. Hatton's past opponents were boosted up as big wins, because fans and the media wanted him to fight in the states, period. Was he a crowd pleasing fighter? Hell yeah! That's about it though.

Im a bit hard pressed to say that Vince Phillips was a big name on Ricky's record, just because he was the only guy to knock out Tszyu before Hatton stopped him. We have to take into consideration that Phillips knocked Tszyu out in '97, and Hatton fought Phillips in 2003...6 years later when he was 39 or 40 years old.

Now, if Phillips was in the same boat as Hopkins, Marquez, and Mosley, who are still either winning big fights or still involved in big fights, then I would give Ricky the benefit of having Phillips on his record.

Hatton's a 'B' fighter (at best), but dude had a crazy fan base, and I definitely wouldn't mind seeing him in a big fight in the states again...that's if he can get off his ass and leave the coke (not the soda) alone.
Cshel86
QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 08:49 AM) *
1 - So Cotto's opponents at 140 are better because they are still fighting? So N'dou is better than Kostya and V Philips cause he is still fighting LOL

I already explained why Hatton's "victory" over Vince Phillips is null and void. Hatton fought Phillips 6 years after he knocked out Tszyu, and the guy was either 39 or 40 at the time. Phillip's only claim to fame is stopping Tszyu, that's it. Now, if Phillips was still fighting at the level of Hopkins, Marquez, or Mosley at this stage of his career, then I would've given him credit for that victory.

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 08:49 AM) *
2 - Paulie wasn't a good win for Hatton cause Cotto beat him by a couple of rounds 2 years earlier - wow just wow - hating full blast aren't we?

Never said that. I just said that if somebody wanted to be technical about it, then they would argue that Cotto beat Paulie when he was undefeated. Some would make the same argument about Mayweather and Pacquiao when they both had their way with Hatton (as I explained earlier).

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 08:49 AM) *
3 - Mathyse would kill Hatton cause he lost to Zab and Devon? At this point he would get Urangoed, he needs to show more that what he's shown so far. He needs to prove he can win a fight against a fighter with a respected record

Okay, so compare Devon and Zab's skills to Hatton's. Hatton would've been slaughtered by Devon AND Zab, and we wonder the Hatton/Judah fight never happened. Maybe it was because of money, and that could've been before Hatton fought Manny, but the point is, it still could've happened.

If you're saying that Matthysse would get "Urangoed" by Hatton, then you're dead wrong. You may want to go back and look at the Matthysse vs Alexander fight...no way in hell Ricky would've been willing to take a Matthysse punch.

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 08:49 AM) *
4 -I don't know if Tzsuy was past his prime when he fought Hatton but I know he tore everyone up prior including Zab Judah and he was the favourite against Hatton. Now why do you think he is past his prime, his age alone?

If I remember correctly, Tszyu used to take some punches, whether he won or lost. When you get up there in age, you're not supposed to just be getting punched in the face like its no big deal. Im not saying that Tszyu was shot, but he damn sure wasn't in his prime.

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 08:49 AM) *
5 - So you remember Hatton taking a knee against Collazo and nothing else from that fight - I don't smoke but I sure don't hate as much as you do.

Excuse me, he didn't purposely take a knee...his legs gave out on him and he posed like he was taking a knee. If you're gonna big all big in the chest about Hatton knocking Collazo down in the first round, then save it.

If you want to upload the video, it clear as day that Ricky was trying to run the dude down, he was off balance, and Im quite sure their feet may have gotten tangled up in the mix. It was dead obvious.

Seriously man, stop indulging in hyperbole and making a 'B' fighter into something he's not. Nobody's hating. If he was this big champ that he's being made out to be, then his ass would've came back to the sport and fought again, like true champs do.

He lost two big fights, then turn to drugs for consolation, while leaving his fans wondering if he'll ever fight again. Sorry, true champs dont do that, especially with the drawing power that he had, and the potential money that he could've still been making. Point is, he "built up" by the media, got his ass kicked by better opposition, questioned his own abilities...which led to everyone else (including me) to wonder if he was ever that great in the first place.
pesticid
Nobody is making Hatton to be this great fighter. Hatton was a very good fighter. He was a good fighter on Floyd's resume that's why Floyd likes to talk about it. Hatton gave his all and gave Floyd a difficult time early on. I don't think Cotto can do that.

Hatton at 140 was a better fighter than Cotto at 140.

Hatton was never a Zaghe, he was a "B" class fighter but he was very solid. It's easy to look at Hatton as trash after what Pacman did to him but Pacman did that to a lot of fighters including Morales.

Now Zaghe was the truth!

Nobody has punked Hopkins like Joe did. Holding for dear life, going to the wrong corner three times, faking an injury, crying to the ref and posing as if he wants to fight only to hold and headbutt and avoid being beat down. Hopkins is great but if he didn't hold and run, and faked and cried Zaghe would've did him worse and he fought him at 175. Can no one hate on that.
neophyte7
Calzaghe landed a handful of clean punches the whole night... he was put on his ass.. he was given a gift decision. Hatton was an overrated but exciting fighter... he stepped in with Mayweather and was reduced to a coke head... Cotto is in for a serious beating unless all of sudden he has become a defensive wizard
pesticid
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:01 AM) *
Calzaghe landed a handful of clean punches the whole night... he was put on his ass.. he was given a gift decision. Hatton was an overrated but exciting fighter... he stepped in with Mayweather and was reduced to a coke head... Cotto is in for a serious beating unless all of sudden he has become a defensive wizard


I only agree about the part about Cotto.

His last three wins are all smoke in mirrors. If he doesn't get stopped early he will be running trying to go all 12 like he tried to do against Manny.
Cotto is just not reslient.
neophyte7
I agree..I see no way he stops Floyd from tearing his face off..he on the other hand will miss the most punches he has his whole entire career in a few weeks... really even in his win over margarito he was taking some lumps and is lucky it was not a 15 round fight
pesticid
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:01 AM) *
Calzaghe landed a handful of clean punches the whole night... he was put on his ass.. he was given a gift decision. Hatton was an overrated but exciting fighter... he stepped in with Mayweather and was reduced to a coke head... Cotto is in for a serious beating unless all of sudden he has become a defensive wizard


Zaghe punked Bhop at 175 and in the U.S. It's hard to admit I know... Zaghe was a G, Hopkins can be vicsious mentally and physically and one of the greatest intimidators and technicians of the game. That didn't matter to Joe though. The Italian Dragon stood high and Hopkins was crawling on the ground faking an illegal punch and looking more and more like a scared turtle.
pesticid
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:15 AM) *
I agree..I see no way he stops Floyd from tearing his face off..he on the other hand will miss the most punches he has his whole entire career in a few weeks... really even in his win over margarito he was taking some lumps and is lucky it was not a 15 round fight


Cotto might land a jab here and a jab there. He's got very good jab, I know he lunges with it but it's effective. It troubled Manny early on, knocked down Clottey and I believe Gomez too with the same jab. I see it land maybe a few time against Floyd early and then it's over for Miguelito.
neophyte7
Cotto may in fact get gatti treatment by round 8-----

People revert to Hopkin's antics in the Calzaghe figt, yet Hopkins whole career he has done this. PEOPLE WATCHING HOPKINS FOR MORE THAN A YEAR know many of his fights have been filled with his DRAMA AND ANTICS-- both Merccado fights... the ECHOLS MATCHES...Hopkins did the same antics in his bouts with Robert allen, syd vanderpool, pascal,... you are using that to beef up Cal's gift win.. yet those antics of Hopkins were not Cal landing effective punches---Cal barely landed cleanly while throwing loads of flurries.. he did nothing in my view to offset being put on his ass in a fight that I will call close. Cal made Hop work with pressure, yet the pressure did not seem to be accompanied with clean punches landed... I have seen clips of Cal throwing a flurry of 7 -8 girl slap punches and landing barely one...
pesticid
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:18 AM) *
Cotto may in fact get gatti treatment by round 8-----

Hopkins did the same antics he did against allen, vanderpoo,l pascal,... you are using that to beef up Cal's gift win.. Cal barely landed cleanly while throwing loads of flurries.. he did nothing in my view to offset being put on his ass


Only Bhop fans think he won, well not all of them. My buddy who is a Bhop fan thought Zaghe won it.
neophyte7
LMAO.. Carl Froch said Hopkins won.. is he a Hopkins fan? or a Calslappy hater???LOl..Well we do agree Cotto gets his head handed to him.
MaxPayne
I don't think Cotto is quite there to be hit the same way that Gatti was. Cotto has some movement and boxing skills, that will make Floyd's attack more measured. Gatti, as much as I love him, didn't have the ability to defend, or counterattack that would have stopped Floyd from teeing off on him the way that he did.

With Cotto, he'll take "Stop the fight" levels of punishment, although I don't think his corner will stop it. Floyd also doesn't really swarm his opponents when they're bleeding or busted up in a way that would make the referee stop the fight either. It'll be a fascinating contest to watch, that's for sure.

To the earlier point about the Hatton fight, yes, Ricky looked good for the first 2 rounds, which is a common occurrence in fights with Floyd. He needs 2-3 rounds to figure out his opponent's true reach, speed and timing. Once that's figured out, he goes to work and we know how that's turned out for the last 16 years or so.
Cshel86
QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 10:47 AM) *
Nobody is making Hatton to be this great fighter. Hatton was a very good fighter. He was a good fighter on Floyd's resume that's why Floyd likes to talk about it. Hatton gave his all and gave Floyd a difficult time early on.

Hatton was a good fighter..."very good" is a bit of a stretch. The only reason the Hatton/Mayweather fight was exciting, was because of the stumble in the first round, the wrestling, and those loud as Brit fans (loved 'em). Floyd only talks good about that Hatton fight, because Hatton's fans were incredible, and Hatton is an incredible clip on Floyd's highlight reel...not to mention that the UK fans love him now.

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 10:47 AM) *
Hatton at 140 was a better fighter than Cotto at 140

There was nothing special about Ricky...I still dont get where you're coming from...

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 10:47 AM) *
Hatton was never a Zaghe, he was a "B" class fighter but he was very solid. It's easy to look at Hatton as trash after what Pacman did to him but Pacman did that to a lot of fighters including Morales.

Hatton was never a Calzaghe, and Calzaghe was never an elite fighter (in my opinion)...they were both B level fighters at best. I could care less what Pacquiao did to Hatton, it was eventually going to happen again. Trust me, I looked at Hatton as trash waaaay before the Pac fight, so he covered that department well.

Pacquiao beat Morales in the rematch...AFTER getting his ass handed to him in the first fight, AFTER Morlaes was in a grueling trilogy with Barrera, AFTER he lost those last two of the three fights. laugh.gif So its safer to leave Morales out of this flimsy comparison of a guy getting knocked the fuck out (Hatton) vs a guy who got dropped a few times (Morales) by Pac.

Where is Morales after two Pacquiao losses? Yep you got it...STILL fighting. Where's Hatton after one Pacquiao loss? Yep you got it...playing with his nose and killing buffets. No comparison sir...

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 10:47 AM) *
Now Zaghe was the truth!

You must do bumps of coke with Ricky???

QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 10:47 AM) *
Nobody has punked Hopkins like Joe did. Holding for dear life, going to the wrong corner three times, faking an injury, crying to the ref and posing as if he wants to fight only to hold and headbutt and avoid being beat down. Hopkins is great but if he didn't hold and run, and faked and cried Zaghe would've did him worse and he fought him at 175. Can no one hate on that.

Yet and still....the majority had Hopkins winning that fight. laugh.gif

QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:01 AM) *
Calzaghe landed a handful of clean punches the whole night... he was put on his ass.. he was given a gift decision.

Thank you....

QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:18 AM) *
you are using that to beef up Cal's gift win..

There's been a lot of beefing up in this thread. laugh.gif
pesticid
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 19 2012, 12:47 PM) *
Hatton was never a Calzaghe, and Calzaghe was never an elite fighter (in my opinion)...they were both B level fighters at best. I could care less what Pacquiao did to Hatton, it was eventually going to happen again. Trust me, I looked at Hatton as trash waaaay before the Pac fight, so he covered that department well.


Typical hater! It's cool bro you can hate but the Italian Dragon punked Hopkins.
He had him spooked way back, the weigh-in was funny too, Bernard was mad as hell and then come fight night he was crawling like a turtle looking for that deep water.
I know it must suck that a white boy beat the big bad wolf, but shit happens. Yeah Zaghe does coke too but no thanks to Bhop that's for damn sure LOL
mgrover
zaghe lost the match so damn clearly.
Cshel86
QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 19 2012, 03:47 PM) *
Typical hater! It's cool bro you can hate but the Italian Dragon punked Hopkins.
He had him spooked way back, the weigh-in was funny too, Bernard was mad as hell and then come fight night he was crawling like a turtle looking for that deep water.
I know it must suck that a white boy beat the big bad wolf, but shit happens. Yeah Zaghe does coke too but no thanks to Bhop that's for damn sure LOL

Who in the world would hate on a B-level fighter? Trust me, I can save that hate for something noteworthy. Funny thing is, Calazghe fought 2 legends (RJJ and Hopkins) at the end of his career while retiring undefeated, and nobody remembers him! laugh.gif

What's even funnier is, Hatton got his ass kicked by the two tops fighters in the sport, and his ass is nowhere to be found. laugh.gif One of them fought two legends, and is hardly remembered, while the other one got worked by two legends, and he wants no part of the fight game anymore. Irony?
daprofessor
cotto's win over shane mosley trumps everything hatton did.

hattons best win: tszyu, a guy who was knocked out by vince philips.

checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 20 2012, 02:31 AM) *
cotto's win over shane mosley trumps everything hatton did.

hattons best win: tszyu, a guy who was knocked out by vince philips.

+1
MaxPayne
I think Joe Calzhage was a fundamentally sound boxer with good hand speed and a volume punching style that let him win a lot of rounds. He went undefeated and that's always noteworthy.

The interesting thing about Calzhage and Rocky Marciano, is that their signature wins did come with some question marks.

Ask yourself, if Joe Calzhage had fought a prime Roy Jones Jr. or a Hopkins at the height of his powers, would he have been able to win those fights ?

If Rocky Marciano had fought Joe Louis when he was destroying people, would he have beaten him ?

I respect both men immensely, although I think that Marciano is levels below Louis as a boxer; the same follows for Calzhage vs. RJJ or Hopkins.
pesticid
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 18 2012, 02:34 PM) *
hatton stepped on his foot if my memory serves me correctly


Here is the knockdown - your memory was wrong
http://youtu.be/AXwGWpkLp84
pesticid
QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Apr 20 2012, 03:58 PM) *
I think Joe Calzhage was a fundamentally sound boxer with good hand speed and a volume punching style that let him win a lot of rounds. He went undefeated and that's always noteworthy.

The interesting thing about Calzhage and Rocky Marciano, is that their signature wins did come with some question marks.

Ask yourself, if Joe Calzhage had fought a prime Roy Jones Jr. or a Hopkins at the height of his powers, would he have been able to win those fights ?

If Rocky Marciano had fought Joe Louis when he was destroying people, would he have beaten him ?

I respect both men immensely, although I think that Marciano is levels below Louis as a boxer; the same follows for Calzhage vs. RJJ or Hopkins.



You're comparing the same Hopkins who won every round against Tarver, won every round against Pavlik beat Pascal impressively and could beat Dawson now to Joe Luis when Marciano fought him? Oh my...

You think that Zaghe was in his prime at 175 when he fought Hopkins? It wasn't even his weight.
pesticid
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 20 2012, 03:31 AM) *
cotto's win over shane mosley trumps everything hatton did.

hattons best win: tszyu, a guy who was knocked out by vince philips.



LOL

Cotto was running away from Mosley and barely squeaked out the win and most of the guys here think he lost, while Hatton retired Kostya.

Hatton's win over Kostya at 140 trumps everything Miguel did at 140 I believe this is where the argument was.
Cshel86
Pesticid...as convincingly annoying as you can be at times when you're confident about your point...you're slowly becoming my favorite poster! laugh.gif Seriously though...
pesticid
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 19 2012, 04:46 PM) *
Who in the world would hate on a B-level fighter? Trust me, I can save that hate for something noteworthy. Funny thing is, Calazghe fought 2 legends (RJJ and Hopkins) at the end of his career while retiring undefeated, and nobody remembers him! laugh.gif

What's even funnier is, Hatton got his ass kicked by the two tops fighters in the sport, and his ass is nowhere to be found. laugh.gif One of them fought two legends, and is hardly remembered, while the other one got worked by two legends, and he wants no part of the fight game anymore. Irony?


They don't remember a lot of great fighters, Cotto is a B class fighter. Gatti is a C and Zaghe is clearly an A +
pesticid
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:01 AM) *
Calzaghe landed a handful of clean punches the whole night...


More than a handful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9SfWjk00cs...;feature=fvwrel
pesticid
I am bored...

Mosley is a B+
Hatton is a B
Paulie is a C
Wlad is B
Vitaly A
Hopkins A
Tito B+
Forrest B+
Chad is B+
Froch B+
Kessler B+
Ward A-
Bute B+
Floyd A+
Pacman A
Marquez A
Morales A
Barrera B+
Martinez A
Timmie B+
Khan B+
Salido B
Pavlik B
AA B

Cshel86
Dude, are you watching any boxing this evening? laugh.gif
pesticid
No boxing on TV or stream, it's raining and I got stuck home on Friday. I gotta go eat smth now and hopefully tomorrow I catch Rashad hopefully beating Jones. I don't even know why I dislike Bones, he's got skills - skills wise he is the second coming of Fedor if not even better but we have to wait and see. Common Rashad, put him in a headlock, or go b/w his legs and lay on him until you get the decision.
daprofessor
QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 20 2012, 09:10 PM) *
Here is the knockdown - your memory was wrong
http://youtu.be/AXwGWpkLp84


ur right. the one i was thinking about happened in the second round. the real knockdown happened in the 12th when ricky was out on his feet and was holding on for dear life. he feel to his knees. that should have been ruled a knockdown and it wasn't. ricky was hype not the real deal.
daprofessor
QUOTE (pesticid @ Apr 20 2012, 09:24 PM) *
LOL

Cotto was running away from Mosley and barely squeaked out the win and most of the guys here think he lost, while Hatton retired Kostya.

Hatton's win over Kostya at 140 trumps everything Miguel did at 140 I believe this is where the argument was.


where is ricky hatton? what happened to him when he faced pac? kt had been off for a whole year because of injuries. cotto would have decapitated kt. ricky had to maul him and need help from the ref. let's not act like he didn't hit him square in the nuts before kt quit on his stool.

u've never seen cotto go out on his back like ricky did twice.
pesticid
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 23 2012, 01:27 PM) *
where is ricky hatton? what happened to him when he faced pac? kt had been off for a whole year because of injuries. cotto would have decapitated kt. ricky had to maul him and need help from the ref. let's not act like he didn't hit him square in the nuts before kt quit on his stool.

u've never seen cotto go out on his back like ricky did twice
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True! I saw him take a knee and running on his bicycle trying to go the distance. He'll waive the white flag again against Mayweather.
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