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daprofessor
so now that we got pac/bradley out the way...and it's even more clear now that pac doesn't stand a chance against floyd....is there anyone that agrees this is the match to be made? i'm all for it being at madison square garden!!! i can't recall floyd fighting there. it would be a beautiful addition to his illustrious career!
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 20 2012, 01:00 AM) *
so now that we got pac/bradley out the way...and it's even more clear now that pac doesn't stand a chance against floyd....is there anyone that agrees this is the match to be made? i'm all for it being at madison square garden!!! i can't recall floyd fighting there. it would be a beautiful addition to his illustrious career!


I think there's more cause for pac Bradley two rather then Mayweather Cotto two
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 19 2012, 08:00 PM) *
so now that we got pac/bradley out the way...and it's even more clear now that pac doesn't stand a chance against floyd....is there anyone that agrees this is the match to be made? i'm all for it being at madison square garden!!! i can't recall floyd fighting there. it would be a beautiful addition to his illustrious career!

Yes! Glad you found this thread and bumped it!

As for this fight, Im glad that Cotto did better than most gave him credit for and didn't get totally outclassed...which leaves room for a potential rematch that people would be interested in. I watched this fight again on Friday night, and saw that there more a few close rounds that could've favored Miguel.

MSG doesn't sound like a bad idea. One thing I dont like about MSG is the fuckin' fans man. For the whole Cotto/Margarito II card, they were relatively quiet and only seemed to have an undivided interest in Cotto only. Other than that, it sounds like a good idea as a fight for Floyd to "fall back on" if he so chooses.

Miguel is in a great position (no promoter) right now, and is able to keep most of his money, so Im sure he'll look good in his next few fights to keep his stock going from the Mayweather fight. In fact, he is actually on the A-side of some potential big fights (Canelo, Ortiz, Kirkland, or he could even pull Berto into a fight once he gets clean), and could get the lion's share of the money.

All of the mentioned guys would be on the B-side against Miguel, all he has to do is fight as good as he fought in his last fight, and he'll be okay. I would be more inclined to see this fight again, rather than Arum trying to shove another one of his shit-shows down the throats of the public.
Franchize
I think Floyd will have to get paid significantly more to fight in MSG. Why fight a guy you already clearly beat in an arena that will be full of Puerto Ricans?
Cheesey1
QUOTE (mgrover @ Jun 19 2012, 09:25 PM) *
I think there's more cause for pac Bradley two rather then Mayweather Cotto two

Agreed.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Jun 20 2012, 12:14 AM) *
I think Floyd will have to get paid significantly more to fight in MSG. Why fight a guy you already clearly beat in an arena that will be full of Puerto Ricans?


because cotto gave floyd a chance to win his title in floyds backyard.....and cotto gave floyd the toughest fight he ever had. it will sell better than any other available fight that's worth watching. the rematch seems in order to me.
Franchize
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 20 2012, 03:27 AM) *
because cotto gave floyd a chance to win his title in floyds backyard.....and cotto gave floyd the toughest fight he ever had. it will sell better than any other available fight that's worth watching. the rematch seems in order to me.

Floyd didn't need any favors lmao. And that was NOT Floyd's toughest fight ever. I take nothing from Cotto. He fought his heart out and landed on Floyd where others don't. However, the only revelation I got from that fight is that even if Oscar didn't abandon his jab, he would have lost when he fought Floyd lol
Cshel86
Cotto seemed pissed at the score cards and declined an interview, so we haven't heard much from him. If he's still pissed then maybe he could speak out about it in a "not so humble" manner, and pump up another fight. laugh.gif

Though he lost the fight, his performance, opponent, and once again, the big stage, gave his career a breath of fresh air. As I posted earlier, he can build from that and make those last big bucks before he hangs 'em up. Now, had he gotten "Gatti'd" or "Bruseles'd" like most people assumed (shame on yall nono.gif ), then he would have no argument.

Can we get a "Cotto After Dark" series? laugh.gif No seriously, can we get one? Hell, if he fights Canelo in December and Ortiz in June, then what does that leave Mayweather? Im sure he (FMJ) can and will pull a rabbit out of a hat, but that would be a good plan for Miguel. Besides, us fans have received confirmation that the megafight wont happen because simpleton is stuck in an eternal contract with the windbag.
Franchize
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 20 2012, 10:22 AM) *
Cotto seemed pissed at the score cards and declined an interview, so we haven't heard much from him. If he's still pissed then maybe he could speak out about it in a "not so humble" manner, and pump up another fight. laugh.gif


I think that was HBO hyperbole. I really think he just didn't want to answer any questions lol When they interviewed him in the lockeroom afterwards, he didn't seem overly pissed about the decision. He just seemed like he was upset he lost and wanted to be with his family. One would have to be a real hater to think he was close on the score cards lol.... o wait (Jim Lampley did say he could see it being even midway through the fight...hater identified lol)
checkleft
QUOTE (Franchize @ Jun 20 2012, 12:14 AM) *
I think Floyd will have to get paid significantly more to fight in MSG. Why fight a guy you already clearly beat in an arena that will be full of Puerto Ricans?

True. Why go to msg and risk the fans influencing the judges especially with how outrageous these scorecards have been. Idk if it would matter though I think Floyd could knock him out in a rematch

QUOTE (Franchize @ Jun 20 2012, 08:52 AM) *
Floyd didn't need any favors lmao. And that was NOT Floyd's toughest fight ever. I take nothing from Cotto. He fought his heart out and landed on Floyd where others don't. However, the only revelation I got from that fight is that even if Oscar didn't abandon his jab, he would have lost when he fought Floyd lol

+1

Not Floyds toughest fight. It was a good one though.. I think the Oscar fight was not as close as the scorecards suggested but the jab is effective against Floyd as cotto and dlh showed so who knows what would have happened if Oscar didn't drop it for no apparent reason
daprofessor
i've never seen floyd busted up the way cotto busted him up. his nose looked swolen. he worked hard for his money that night. dlh abandoned the jab....but that was because he had a bad elbow going into the fight according to freddie. whatever the case....cotto is the biggest challenge/money fight at 154 and below. i lost all interest in pac/floyd after jmm schooled him the last time.

i'm not interested in seeing floyd in favorable match ups. i'd like to see him challenge himself a little more before he retires. i've always believed he would beat pac easily....and if that fight had been made when it mattered, it would have been one to seal his legacy. as it stands....that fight has been ruined...so unless he's moving up to fight sergio martinez, i don't want to see any other fights i know he'll win.

usually...when the winners have excuses...u know it wasn't a good showing and they don't feel so great about their win. i've heard everything from....floyd had a bad hand...to floyd was sick....to floyd wanted to give the fans what they wanted...blah,blah,blah...ok. well i want the cotto rematch in msg. no excuses this time.
checkleft
Floyd got busted up by agustus baldomir and he had a pretty hellacious war with castillo. And Jesus chavez was getting to Floyd a bit too but he couldn't his counters.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 20 2012, 04:27 PM) *
Floyd got busted up by agustus baldomir and he had a pretty hellacious war with castillo. And Jesus chavez was getting to Floyd a bit too but he couldn't his counters.


augustus didn't see the final bell. baldomir was pretty much shut out. castillo 1 was good...floyd shut him out in the rematch. chavez really didn't do much. he forced floyd to work...but he barely got touched.

none of these guys came close to what cotto did. why is that so hard to admit? it takes nothing away from floyd. that version of cotto was much better than the one pac and margarito beat. there's no shame in having a tough fight.
Hotsauce
no rematch

just retire
daprofessor
QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Jun 20 2012, 06:21 PM) *
no rematch

just retire


really? wow.
Franchize
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 20 2012, 06:00 PM) *
augustus didn't see the final bell. baldomir was pretty much shut out. castillo 1 was good...floyd shut him out in the rematch. chavez really didn't do much. he forced floyd to work...but he barely got touched.

none of these guys came close to what cotto did. why is that so hard to admit? it takes nothing away from floyd. that version of cotto was much better than the one pac and margarito beat. there's no shame in having a tough fight.

Cotto no doubt gave him a tough fight. Id have to go with Castillo tho. Even though I thought his success on Floyd was slightly exaggerrated, he hit Floyd with everything he could...most of which was below the belt lol. If I had to be one fighter in the ring with Floyd on each night respectively, Id rather be Castillo. In fact, until Floyd broke his will, I thought Zab was giving him a tougher fight than Cotto. Zab just lacks the poise n professionalism in adversity that Floyd has. Either way, its not an indictment on Cotto.

I disagree with check about Baldomir for sure but Augustus fought a tough fight. Floyd said for the longest he was the toughest he had faced. Floyds Sr was pissed with Jr n Roger after that fight.
mrchitown
I'd love to see a rematch between the two, and I'd pick Mayweather to win in more impressive fashion in the rematch. There are some tactical adjustments each fighter could make to increase their chances of winning but Floyd's ring IQ is levels above Cotto's, and what ever Miguel would bring on fight night would surely get nullified. Who ever or when ever Floyd fights again, I actually hope it's not in Vegas due to their current treatment of him while he's locked down. That would surely stick it to those Vegas big wigs
sduck
Well Floyd himself always said Emmanuel Burton (Augustus) was his hardest opponent, but now he says Cotto was. Either take his word for it, or maybe he just trying to show respect or save face from having not such a dominate performance against a "leftover."

If there is a rematch, I'd expect Cotto to come at Floyd the same way, while Floyd would have a more precise gameplan.
Franchize
I just don't see what Cotto could do differently to improve upon his small sample set of success. I do however see a lot of adjustments that Floyd can and will make to take the wind right out of Cotto's sails early. I know this isn't a popular stance but I think Floyd deserves a tune up fight against a guy with mediocre punching power. He's been getting hammered unnecessarily by these huge guys. Not only that, but he's been beating them by standing in their face, taking everything they have, and giving it back 3 times harder. I think he's earned a Devon Alexander fight or something along those lines. Maybe even a Peterson.
daprofessor
QUOTE (sduck @ Jun 21 2012, 04:37 AM) *
Well Floyd himself always said Emmanuel Burton (Augustus) was his hardest opponent, but now he says Cotto was. Either take his word for it, or maybe he just trying to show respect or save face from having not such a dominate performance against a "leftover."

If there is a rematch, I'd expect Cotto to come at Floyd the same way, while Floyd would have a more precise gameplan.


i'll take floyds word over everyone elses. laugh.gif

2 things....

i think floyd is definitely the more intelligent fighter of the two....but cotto is by far the most intelligent fighter floyd has ever fought.

and....

i believe cotto is the one who has much more room for improvement in the rematch. there are several things he can do that he didn't in the first match. i'm looking forward to a more entertaining rematch and it will be interesting to see floyd fight at msg.

floyd definitely deserves an easy one. he's earned it. question is....will he take it? i don't think so. he'll want the big money. i also agree he should take the show on the road as a "fuck u" to vegas and their bullshit.
daprofessor
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 21 2012, 01:15 PM) *
i'm looking forward to a more entertaining rematch and it will be interesting to see floyd fight at msg.


let's not forget...floyd packed the apollo when they did the media tour. i'm not totally convinced it'll be a pro-cotto crowd. all of harlem, brooklyn...and the rest of the borroughs will represent for floyd...plus there are plenty of puerto ricans that love floyd too.
xxxxxx
You might be on to something here. I read that it's a possibility Dec 1. Not sure if Floyd would be ready by then though.
daprofessor
QUOTE (xxxxxx @ Jun 28 2012, 07:02 PM) *
You might be on to something here. I read that it's a possibility Dec 1. Not sure if Floyd would be ready by then though.


laugh.gif i don't know why ppl keep doubting my foresight.

i should be an advisor. smile.gif

on a different note....pac has run out of options. arum should serve up brandon rios if he wishes to 'revive' pac's status. bradley, jmm, cotto and mayweather are all bad options. he loses to all of them. of course floyd is the biggest pay day for him.
Hotsauce
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 20 2012, 08:02 PM) *
really? wow.



lol

i wouldn't mind mayweather/cotto 2 at msg. i mean floyd hasn't fought there, manny hasn't either.
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