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du365
No disrespect for Bradley now, but his reputation may be ruin due to this controversial decision. No one will buy a fight that Bradley is in. He should have handed the belt back to Pacquiao. That would have made him get respect and fans. All the punches he though (90 percent of them) were blocked by Pacquiao. You can watch this fight 100 times with or without the volume up, and Manny wins about 8 of the 12 rounds., Bradley has no career. I feel bad for him. All this work to get to this point to believe a delusion that he won. Here is a list of over 50 professional boxing people that watched it and what they scored it.

1. Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao.
2. Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao.
3. Ray Markarian, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao.
4. Michael Marley, Examiner: 119-109 Pacquiao.
5. Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao.
6. Vittorio Tafur, San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao.
7. Michael Woods, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao.
8. Ramon Aranda, 3 More Rounds: 118-110 Pacquiao.
9. Mario Cabrera, Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao.
10. Nigel Collins, ESPN: 118-110 Pacquiao.
11. Mike Coppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
12. Ace Freeman, Fight Fan: 118-110 Pacquiao.
13. Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao.
14. Kelsey McCarson, The Sweet Science: 118-110 Pacquiao.
15. Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing: 118-110 Pacquiao.
16. Pete O’Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao.
17. Eric Raskin, Grantland: 118-110 Pacquiao.
18. Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
19. Colin Seymour, Examiner: 118-110 Pacquiao.
20. Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
21. Ryan Burton, Boxing Scene: 117-112 Pacquiao.
22. Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 117-111 Pacquiao.
23. Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao.
24. Gareth Davies, London Daily Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao.
25. Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao.
26. David Greisman, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
27. Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow: 117-111 Pacquiao.
28. Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao.
29. Robert Littal, Black Sports Online: 117-111 Pacquiao.
30. Steve Kim, Max Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao.
31. Ryan Maquiñana, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
32. David Mayo, MLive: 117-111 Pacquiao.
33. Kieran Mulvaney, HBO: 117-111 Pacquiao.
34. Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao.
35. Chris Robinson, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
36. Cliff Rold, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
37. Champ Ross, The Truth Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao.
38. Luis Sandoval, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
39. Jonathan Sakti, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
40. Tim Starks, Queensberry Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao.
41. Richie Tomassini, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
42. Darren Velasco, 8 Count News: 117-111 Pacquiao.
43. Rick Reeno, Boxing Scene: 116-112 Pacquiao.
44. George Willis, New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao.
45. Steve Zemach, Queensberry Rules: 116-112 Pacquiao.
46. Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao.
47. Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene: 115-113 Pacquiao.
48. Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao.
49. Thomas Hauser, HBO: 115-114 Bradley.
50. Bart Barry, 15 Rounds: 116-115 Bradley.
51. Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley.
52. Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-110 Pacquiao.


TOTAL: Pacquiao 49, Bradley 3.OMG - If they don't give Manny his belt back. Boxing is finished...I will never ever pay for another fight Bradley is in.
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daprofessor
i looked down that list....not very many experts there.

i would advise that all the "experts" attend a seminar and learn how fights are scored. i would also advise they step foot in a ring and learn a thing or two about boxing to qualify themselves as experts. i see a lot of ppl whose opinions are just as valid as anyone on this or any other board. the overwhelming majority on that list are ppl who write very biased material. i can go down the list and explain each one...but i won't. i'll just give u a quick example without naming names....

is a writer who works with freddie going to be fair and unbiased?

is a writer who shares the same ethnicity as pac going to be fair and unbiased?

is a writer who desperately wants to see pac/mayweather going to be fair and unbiased?

is a writer who trains regularly at the wildcard going to be fair and unbiased?

bnoles4life
QUOTE (du365 @ Jun 11 2012, 06:40 PM) *
No disrespect for Bradley now, but his reputation may be ruin due to this controversial decision. No one will buy a fight that Bradley is in. He should have handed the belt back to Pacquiao. That would have made him get respect and fans. All the punches he though (90 percent of them) were blocked by Pacquiao. You can watch this fight 100 times with or without the volume up, and Manny wins about 8 of the 12 rounds., Bradley has no career. I feel bad for him. All this work to get to this point to believe a delusion that he won. Here is a list of over 50 professional boxing people that watched it and what they scored it.

1. Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao.
2. Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao.
3. Ray Markarian, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao.
4. Michael Marley, Examiner: 119-109 Pacquiao.
5. Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao.
6. Vittorio Tafur, San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao.
7. Michael Woods, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao.
8. Ramon Aranda, 3 More Rounds: 118-110 Pacquiao.
9. Mario Cabrera, Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao.
10. Nigel Collins, ESPN: 118-110 Pacquiao.
11. Mike Coppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
12. Ace Freeman, Fight Fan: 118-110 Pacquiao.
13. Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao.
14. Kelsey McCarson, The Sweet Science: 118-110 Pacquiao.
15. Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing: 118-110 Pacquiao.
16. Pete O’Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao.
17. Eric Raskin, Grantland: 118-110 Pacquiao.
18. Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
19. Colin Seymour, Examiner: 118-110 Pacquiao.
20. Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
21. Ryan Burton, Boxing Scene: 117-112 Pacquiao.
22. Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 117-111 Pacquiao.
23. Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao.
24. Gareth Davies, London Daily Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao.
25. Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao.
26. David Greisman, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
27. Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow: 117-111 Pacquiao.
28. Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao.
29. Robert Littal, Black Sports Online: 117-111 Pacquiao.
30. Steve Kim, Max Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao.
31. Ryan Maquiñana, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
32. David Mayo, MLive: 117-111 Pacquiao.
33. Kieran Mulvaney, HBO: 117-111 Pacquiao.
34. Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao.
35. Chris Robinson, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
36. Cliff Rold, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
37. Champ Ross, The Truth Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao.
38. Luis Sandoval, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
39. Jonathan Sakti, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
40. Tim Starks, Queensberry Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao.
41. Richie Tomassini, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
42. Darren Velasco, 8 Count News: 117-111 Pacquiao.
43. Rick Reeno, Boxing Scene: 116-112 Pacquiao.
44. George Willis, New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao.
45. Steve Zemach, Queensberry Rules: 116-112 Pacquiao.
46. Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao.
47. Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene: 115-113 Pacquiao.
48. Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao.
49. Thomas Hauser, HBO: 115-114 Bradley.
50. Bart Barry, 15 Rounds: 116-115 Bradley.
51. Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley.
52. Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-110 Pacquiao.


TOTAL: Pacquiao 49, Bradley 3.OMG - If they don't give Manny his belt back. Boxing is finished...I will never ever pay for another fight Bradley is in.
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How DARE you put Skip Bayless on this list!!!!
bnoles4life
QUOTE (du365 @ Jun 11 2012, 06:40 PM) *
No disrespect for Bradley now, but his reputation may be ruin due to this controversial decision. No one will buy a fight that Bradley is in. He should have handed the belt back to Pacquiao. That would have made him get respect and fans. All the punches he though (90 percent of them) were blocked by Pacquiao. You can watch this fight 100 times with or without the volume up, and Manny wins about 8 of the 12 rounds., Bradley has no career. I feel bad for him. All this work to get to this point to believe a delusion that he won. Here is a list of over 50 professional boxing people that watched it and what they scored it.

1. Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao.
2. Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao.
3. Ray Markarian, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao.
4. Michael Marley, Examiner: 119-109 Pacquiao.
5. Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao.
6. Vittorio Tafur, San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao.
7. Michael Woods, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao.
8. Ramon Aranda, 3 More Rounds: 118-110 Pacquiao.
9. Mario Cabrera, Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao.
10. Nigel Collins, ESPN: 118-110 Pacquiao.
11. Mike Coppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
12. Ace Freeman, Fight Fan: 118-110 Pacquiao.
13. Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao.
14. Kelsey McCarson, The Sweet Science: 118-110 Pacquiao.
15. Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing: 118-110 Pacquiao.
16. Pete O’Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao.
17. Eric Raskin, Grantland: 118-110 Pacquiao.
18. Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
19. Colin Seymour, Examiner: 118-110 Pacquiao.
20. Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
21. Ryan Burton, Boxing Scene: 117-112 Pacquiao.
22. Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 117-111 Pacquiao.
23. Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao.
24. Gareth Davies, London Daily Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao.
25. Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao.
26. David Greisman, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
27. Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow: 117-111 Pacquiao.
28. Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao.
29. Robert Littal, Black Sports Online: 117-111 Pacquiao.
30. Steve Kim, Max Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao.
31. Ryan Maquiñana, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
32. David Mayo, MLive: 117-111 Pacquiao.
33. Kieran Mulvaney, HBO: 117-111 Pacquiao.
34. Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao.
35. Chris Robinson, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
36. Cliff Rold, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
37. Champ Ross, The Truth Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao.
38. Luis Sandoval, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
39. Jonathan Sakti, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
40. Tim Starks, Queensberry Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao.
41. Richie Tomassini, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
42. Darren Velasco, 8 Count News: 117-111 Pacquiao.
43. Rick Reeno, Boxing Scene: 116-112 Pacquiao.
44. George Willis, New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao.
45. Steve Zemach, Queensberry Rules: 116-112 Pacquiao.
46. Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao.
47. Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene: 115-113 Pacquiao.
48. Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao.
49. Thomas Hauser, HBO: 115-114 Bradley.
50. Bart Barry, 15 Rounds: 116-115 Bradley.
51. Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley.
52. Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-110 Pacquiao.


TOTAL: Pacquiao 49, Bradley 3.OMG - If they don't give Manny his belt back. Boxing is finished...I will never ever pay for another fight Bradley is in.
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Waiting on the part where Bradley's reputation may be ruined....
dhoward126
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Jun 11 2012, 08:23 PM) *
Waiting on the part where Bradley's reputation may be ruined....


Me too, I'm also waiting for the "boxing expert" to speak.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (dhoward126 @ Jun 11 2012, 07:35 PM) *
Me too, I'm also waiting for the "boxing expert" to speak.


Danny, right????? As far as I can tell, all Bradley did was fight last Saturday. Who knows, maybe he's the James Brown of boxing: fought, scored the fight, set up the conspiracy, ensured its completion.......
daprofessor
i think this batch of "experts" is acceptable.

43. Rick Reeno, Boxing Scene: 116-112 Pacquiao.
44. George Willis, New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao.
45. Steve Zemach, Queensberry Rules: 116-112 Pacquiao.
46. Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao.
47. Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene: 115-113 Pacquiao.
48. Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao.
49. Thomas Hauser, HBO: 115-114 Bradley.
50. Bart Barry, 15 Rounds: 116-115 Bradley.
51. Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley.


daprofessor
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 11 2012, 09:01 PM) *
i think this batch of "experts" is acceptable.

43. Rick Reeno, Boxing Scene: 116-112 Pacquiao.
44. George Willis, New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao.
45. Steve Zemach, Queensberry Rules: 116-112 Pacquiao.
46. Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao.
47. Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene: 115-113 Pacquiao.
48. Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao.
49. Thomas Hauser, HBO: 115-114 Bradley.
50. Bart Barry, 15 Rounds: 116-115 Bradley.
51. Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley.


wait...brian kenny works for top rank now!? since when???
iKeNjiro
QUOTE (du365 @ Jun 12 2012, 08:40 AM) *
No disrespect for Bradley now, but his reputation may be ruin due to this controversial decision. No one will buy a fight that Bradley is in. He should have handed the belt back to Pacquiao. That would have made him get respect and fans. All the punches he though (90 percent of them) were blocked by Pacquiao. You can watch this fight 100 times with or without the volume up, and Manny wins about 8 of the 12 rounds., Bradley has no career. I feel bad for him. All this work to get to this point to believe a delusion that he won. Here is a list of over 50 professional boxing people that watched it and what they scored it.

1. Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao.
2. Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao.
3. Ray Markarian, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao.
4. Michael Marley, Examiner: 119-109 Pacquiao.
5. Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao.
6. Vittorio Tafur, San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao.
7. Michael Woods, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao.
8. Ramon Aranda, 3 More Rounds: 118-110 Pacquiao.
9. Mario Cabrera, Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao.
10. Nigel Collins, ESPN: 118-110 Pacquiao.
11. Mike Coppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
12. Ace Freeman, Fight Fan: 118-110 Pacquiao.
13. Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao.
14. Kelsey McCarson, The Sweet Science: 118-110 Pacquiao.
15. Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing: 118-110 Pacquiao.
16. Pete O’Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao.
17. Eric Raskin, Grantland: 118-110 Pacquiao.
18. Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
19. Colin Seymour, Examiner: 118-110 Pacquiao.
20. Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao.
21. Ryan Burton, Boxing Scene: 117-112 Pacquiao.
22. Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 117-111 Pacquiao.
23. Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao.
24. Gareth Davies, London Daily Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao.
25. Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao.
26. David Greisman, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
27. Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow: 117-111 Pacquiao.
28. Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao.
29. Robert Littal, Black Sports Online: 117-111 Pacquiao.
30. Steve Kim, Max Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao.
31. Ryan Maquiñana, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
32. David Mayo, MLive: 117-111 Pacquiao.
33. Kieran Mulvaney, HBO: 117-111 Pacquiao.
34. Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao.
35. Chris Robinson, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
36. Cliff Rold, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
37. Champ Ross, The Truth Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao.
38. Luis Sandoval, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao.
39. Jonathan Sakti, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
40. Tim Starks, Queensberry Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao.
41. Richie Tomassini, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao.
42. Darren Velasco, 8 Count News: 117-111 Pacquiao.
43. Rick Reeno, Boxing Scene: 116-112 Pacquiao.
44. George Willis, New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao.
45. Steve Zemach, Queensberry Rules: 116-112 Pacquiao.
46. Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao.
47. Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene: 115-113 Pacquiao.
48. Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao.
49. Thomas Hauser, HBO: 115-114 Bradley.
50. Bart Barry, 15 Rounds: 116-115 Bradley.
51. Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley.
52. Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-110 Pacquiao.


TOTAL: Pacquiao 49, Bradley 3.OMG - If they don't give Manny his belt back. Boxing is finished...I will never ever pay for another fight Bradley is in.
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loooooooooool I'll be nice because you obviously a pactard offtopic.gif , Sorry, I mean a Pacquiao fan thumbsup_anim.gif .

Okay Bradley should hand the title back to Pacquiao, then upon receiving the title Pacquiao should walk out to the audience and hand the title back to JMM, who beat him 3times. Seems fair right?

p.s I had Pacquiao winning the fight too, stop huggin'.
un01
lmao, the only people who gave it to bradley were top rank commentators laugh.gif
Jack 1000
Brian Kenny's card is SHOCKING 116-112 Bradley??? That's worse than the judges. Did he give an interview or statement about that score? He lost all credibility with that card.

Jack
Plah
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Jun 11 2012, 08:20 PM) *
How DARE you put Skip Bayless on this list!!!!


My thoughts exactly.
BoxingStill#1
Can someone please help me with the definition of 'Boxing Expert'?

Cshel86
QUOTE (du365 @ Jun 11 2012, 07:40 PM) *
51. Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley.
52. Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-110 Pacquiao.


TOTAL: Pacquiao 49, Bradley 3.OMG - If they don't give Manny his belt back. Boxing is finished...I will never ever pay for another fight Bradley is in.

Okay guys, help me out. How many states are there in the USA? 50, right? So when somebody says there are 51 or 52 states, they should immediately NOT be taken serious, and someone should put them out of their misery. That's how I felt when I saw number 51 and 52 on this list.

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 11 2012, 09:02 PM) *
wait...brian kenny works for top rank now!? since when???

Probably after ESPN gave him the boot, or however that transition went.

QUOTE (BoxingStill#1 @ Jun 12 2012, 08:13 AM) *
Can someone please help me with the definition of 'Boxing Expert'?

Nowadays, it's the person who nuthugs the "name fighter", pushes the agenda, blows the top promoter, and accepts "under the table" money for doing the previously listed acts.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jun 11 2012, 09:40 PM) *
Brian Kenny's card is SHOCKING 116-112 Bradley??? That's worse than the judges. Did he give an interview or statement about that score? He lost all credibility with that card.

Jack



I agree and while many on this site don't like Brian Kenny (some for the lamest of reasons), I like him. I just don't see how Bradley won this fight.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 12 2012, 09:02 AM) *
Probably after ESPN gave him the boot, or however that transition went.


Actually, he left ESPN for MLB.com., which, IMO, is a better network, in terms of giving the public more "substance" than "opinion".
Cshel86
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Jun 12 2012, 10:38 AM) *
Actually, he left ESPN for MLB.com., which, IMO, is a better network, in terms of giving the public more "substance" than "opinion".

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I think we all knew how terrible he was at times, and I was hoping that ESPN made the right decision and gave him the boot. Looks like he made the right move by going to MLB, sad thing is, he's still involved in boxing no2.gif He was calling the Rios/Abril and Marquez/Fedchenko card.
daprofessor
someone recently informed me that brian kenny used to box and train with mike tyson. that would give him more credibility than most on that list. i don't agree that 116-112 is not possible. i scored the fight a draw with about 3 or 4 rounds that could have gone either way depending on what it is u like.
Thebruntje
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Jun 12 2012, 01:20 AM) *
How DARE you put Skip Bayless on this list!!!!

Indeed man! I was just thinking the same when i read it! What does Bayless know about boxing??
mgrover
anybody got some form of way for me to watch it again, i was streaming and didnt bother to record it :/
Franchize
QUOTE (mgrover @ Jun 12 2012, 02:18 PM) *
anybody got some form of way for me to watch it again, i was streaming and didnt bother to record it :/

Sorry if this is not allowed on here. This is what I used to watch it. Hopefully it's still up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYlcCexKd6I...feature=related

bnoles4life
This says it all.



https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...pe=1&ref=nf
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 12 2012, 01:32 PM) *
someone recently informed me that brian kenny used to box and train with mike tyson. that would give him more credibility than most on that list. i don't agree that 116-112 is not possible. i scored the fight a draw with about 3 or 4 rounds that could have gone either way depending on what it is u like.

Good stuff, I just read an article about that. He said that he used to train with him, but never sparred with him, I still get his drift though. Yay! Credibility to Mr. Kenny!

Credibility retracted...yep you got it, I took it away THAT quick. Wanna know why? Because he himself was running around talking like a retard and pushing the agenda as well. I remember just about every interview that he had with Floyd about Pacquiao, and he sounded just as dumb as the others who pushed the agenda.

With statements like, "Pacquiao's moving up in weight and wacking all of these bigger guys, he's just that great", doesn't cut it for me. Had he known that Oscar was dead in the Manny fight and Hatton was, well Hatton was just Hatton...then he'd known better than to let that fly out of his mouth.

So yes, his credibility was shot after he hopped on the Pacquaio fan bus. He also calls these Top Rank fights as well. With any experience in any field, one should defend their experience with prior knowledge and be able to call bullshit when they see it.
Franchize
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 13 2012, 12:01 PM) *
Good stuff, I just read an article about that. He said that he used to train with him, but never sparred with him, I still get his drift though. Yay! Credibility to Mr. Kenny!

Credibility retracted...yep you got it, I took it away THAT quick. Wanna know why? Because he himself was running around talking like a retard and pushing the agenda as well. I remember just about every interview that he had with Floyd about Pacquiao, and he sounded just as dumb as the others who pushed the agenda.

With statements like, "Pacquiao's moving up in weight and wacking all of these bigger guys, he's just that great", doesn't cut it for me. Had he known that Oscar was dead in the Manny fight and Hatton was, well Hatton was just Hatton...then he'd known better than to let that fly out of his mouth.

So yes, his credibility was shot after he hopped on the Pacquaio fan bus. He also calls these Top Rank fights as well. With any experience in any field, one should defend their experience with prior knowledge and be able to call bullshit when they see it.


Kenny's disrespectful rant on ESPN vs Mayweather kinda did it for me. I have no problems with you taking a guy to task for what you believe is a bitch move. But when you interview Manny, do the same thing. Same with Michael Wilbon. You call Floyd a coward all the time, but when he gets on your show you're all smiles. When Manny Pacquiao is on the show, nobody on ESPN cuts him off and tries to talk over him.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 13 2012, 12:01 PM) *
Good stuff, I just read an article about that. He said that he used to train with him, but never sparred with him, I still get his drift though. Yay! Credibility to Mr. Kenny!

Credibility retracted...yep you got it, I took it away THAT quick. Wanna know why? Because he himself was running around talking like a retard and pushing the agenda as well. I remember just about every interview that he had with Floyd about Pacquiao, and he sounded just as dumb as the others who pushed the agenda.

With statements like, "Pacquiao's moving up in weight and wacking all of these bigger guys, he's just that great", doesn't cut it for me. Had he known that Oscar was dead in the Manny fight and Hatton was, well Hatton was just Hatton...then he'd known better than to let that fly out of his mouth.

So yes, his credibility was shot after he hopped on the Pacquaio fan bus. He also calls these Top Rank fights as well. With any experience in any field, one should defend their experience with prior knowledge and be able to call bullshit when they see it.


more credibility....but still full of shit like the rest of them. good call. i forgot about that shit! laugh.gif

but who on that list is respectable? really?
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Jun 13 2012, 12:15 PM) *
Kenny's disrespectful rant on ESPN vs Mayweather kinda did it for me. I have no problems with you taking a guy to task for what you believe is a bitch move. But when you interview Manny, do the same thing. Same with Michael Wilbon. You call Floyd a coward all the time, but when he gets on your show you're all smiles. When Manny Pacquiao is on the show, nobody on ESPN cuts him off and tries to talk over him.


sometimes i wish floyd had better communication skills and wit. that's what i loved about ali. dude never missed a beat! he was just as quick with his words as he was with his hands and feet. there'll never be another ali.
Hotsauce
QUOTE (un01 @ Jun 11 2012, 09:39 PM) *
lmao, the only people who gave it to bradley were top rank commentators laugh.gif



hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
daprofessor
did anyone watch the replay of bradley/pac?

anyone notice a difference?
sduck
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 17 2012, 09:02 PM) *
did anyone watch the replay of bradley/pac?

anyone notice a difference?

Yeah I did, in HD. Looked more like Pacquiao won.
Cshel86
QUOTE (sduck @ Jun 18 2012, 03:47 AM) *
Yeah I did, in HD. Looked more like Pacquiao won.

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Good one!
daprofessor
QUOTE (sduck @ Jun 18 2012, 03:47 AM) *
Yeah I did, in HD. Looked more like Pacquiao won.


why did they edit lampley's commentary? in round 2, i believe....pac was holding on to bradley's arm...and bradley proceeded to whack pac with the free hand and lampley says something about bradley holding and hitting...i noticed that was absent from the replay.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 18 2012, 01:47 PM) *
why did they edit lampley's commentary? in round 2, i believe....pac was holding on to bradley's arm...and bradley proceeded to whack pac with the free hand and lampley says something about bradley holding and hitting...i noticed that was absent from the replay.

Tell me about it! I dont how in the hell Bradley was "clamping" Pacquiao's arm, but that shit was sticking STRAIGHT out no2.gif Manny was the one holding Bradley's arm and confiding to the ref (like he always does).
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 18 2012, 07:07 PM) *
Tell me about it! I dont how in the hell Bradley was "clamping" Pacquiao's arm, but that shit was sticking STRAIGHT out no2.gif Manny was the one holding Bradley's arm and confiding to the ref (like he always does).


they edited that out of the replay!!! am i the only one that noticed this disturbing situation!? laugh.gif
mgrover
QUOTE (BoxingStill#1 @ Jun 12 2012, 01:13 PM) *
Can someone please help me with the definition of 'Boxing Expert'?


Bert Sugar...
Franchize
QUOTE (mgrover @ Jun 18 2012, 09:44 PM) *
Bert Sugar...

This... Teddy Atlas gets my vote of confidence most of the time too.
sduck
For those who still think it was a robbery, and didn't see some of the shit I saw, check out this video
pacco_diablo
Was HBO biased? Yes.

Still doesnt change the fact that Manny was the aggressor, landed more punches than Bradley, landed the more effective shots, and was robbed. Bradley did NOTHING to deserve the win, unless of course you score high for moving back, ducking and dodging punches.
daprofessor
QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ Jun 20 2012, 02:35 PM) *
Was HBO biased? Yes.

Still doesnt change the fact that Manny was the aggressor, landed more punches than Bradley, landed the more effective shots, and was robbed. Bradley did NOTHING to deserve the win, unless of course you score high for moving back, ducking and dodging punches.


i do score defense.

i also score effective aggression.....not mindless aggression.

pac landed the better shots in some of the rounds....but lampley/lederman/compubox were giving him credit for missed shots.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 20 2012, 07:43 PM) *
i do score defense.

i also score effective aggression.....not mindless aggression.

pac landed the better shots in some of the rounds....but lampley/lederman/compubox were giving him credit for missed shots.


That's a fair point to be honest, they were both missing a lot of punches due to the others defence, but HBO did call a lot of shots wrong.

On an unrelated note Bradley had his head so low at periods of the fight I wouldn't of been surprised if he ended up with carpet Burns
sduck
QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ Jun 20 2012, 02:35 PM) *
Was HBO biased? Yes.

Still doesnt change the fact that Manny was the aggressor, landed more punches than Bradley, landed the more effective shots, and was robbed. Bradley did NOTHING to deserve the win, unless of course you score high for moving back, ducking and dodging punches.

lol at this. I don't score for the aggressor if they're not effective. Did you even watch the video? The point is most of Pacquiao's shit wasn't landing, and commentators and compubox were counting them, while ignoring most of the shit Bradley landed. The judges saw it better than what most people were foolish to believe. Thinking Pacquiao destroyed the kid, no such thing happened.

Also, you're supposed to score defense, or did you forget? Clean punching, ring generalship, effective aggressiveness, and defense. People act like aggression is the only thing that matters.
mgrover
QUOTE (sduck @ Jun 20 2012, 10:15 PM) *
lol at this. I don't score for the aggressor if they're not effective. Did you even watch the video? The point is most of Pacquiao's shit wasn't landing, and commentators and compubox were counting them, while ignoring most of the shit Bradley landed. The judges saw it better than what most people were foolish to believe. Thinking Pacquiao destroyed the kid, no such thing happened.

Also, you're supposed to score defense, or did you forget? Clean punching, ring generalship, effective aggressiveness, and defense. People act like aggression is the only thing that matters.


while the video pretty much one sided and biased showed when Manny missed, any idiot with a computer can make that. The entire fight should be slowed down in such a fashion and then people can gauge what really happened.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Jun 20 2012, 07:41 PM) *
while the video pretty much one sided and biased showed when Manny missed, any idiot with a computer can make that. The entire fight should be slowed down in such a fashion and then people can gauge what really happened.


there's a video out there already. i hope u have the 8 hours to spare to get through it. laugh.gif

i think the whole point of that video was to illustrate how biased jim lampley and the hbo spin doctors really are. mission accomplished.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 21 2012, 02:01 AM) *
there's a video out there already. i hope u have the 8 hours to spare to get through it. laugh.gif

i think the whole point of that video was to illustrate how biased jim lampley and the hbo spin doctors really are. mission accomplished.


tbf i watched it, was on youtube, at best i could give it 7-5 for pac, but i could still see an 8-4. while a lot of that left hands did miss, so did a lot of bradleys punches.

also anytime his head went below pacs belt line i didnt see that as defense.
sduck
whatever. They released the PPV numbers yet? Or does Bob always want to keep it a secret?
Cshel86
QUOTE (sduck @ Jun 21 2012, 05:24 AM) *
whatever. They released the PPV numbers yet? Or does Bob always want to keep it a secret?

I have to look for the article again, but I already read that Arum is pulling 900k out of his ass. Let me find it...

Sigh...here we go...

http://www.philstar.com/sportsarticle.aspx...ubcategoryid=69

QUOTE
MANILA, Philippines - Manny Pacquiao should be happy if he breaks the one million mark in pay-per-view sales for this June 9 showdown with Timothy Bradley in Las Vegas.

Bob Arum, the chief promoter, yesterday told www.boxingscene.com they’re tracking between 900,000 to 1 million PPV hits for the very controversial bout.
pacco_diablo
QUOTE (sduck @ Jun 20 2012, 05:15 PM) *
lol at this. I don't score for the aggressor if they're not effective. Did you even watch the video? The point is most of Pacquiao's shit wasn't landing, and commentators and compubox were counting them, while ignoring most of the shit Bradley landed. The judges saw it better than what most people were foolish to believe. Thinking Pacquiao destroyed the kid, no such thing happened.

Also, you're supposed to score defense, or did you forget? Clean punching, ring generalship, effective aggressiveness, and defense. People act like aggression is the only thing that matters.


I doubt that many people see aggression as the only thing that matters. Most people here are die hard fans of the sport and understand how fights are scored. Though some categories are weighted different depending on the judge, we all pretty much know what the categories are. My point is that Manny simply landed more shots despite what compubox or the commentators said. He also landed the more clean and effective punches. Bradley was rocked solid a few times. He also constantly brought the fight to Bradley, which I initially thought bradley did until I watched the fight a second time. No matter what defense Bradley had in regard to ducking and dodging, I don't see how this could win him rounds, especially when his counter shots were not effective after Manny missed. In fact, most of that video shows Bradley NOT even throwing counter shots.

I had the luxury of watching the fight in a bar with very low to no sound, yet the whole bar was still like WTF after the decision. That rings of "booo" and "bullshit" filled the bar.

Was the fight a blow out? No. Was the a clear victor, yes, and it wasnt Bradley. That of course in my opinion.



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