Few things you can't knock about this kid is 1st his record, his chin, his will to win, and lately his fan friendly matches. Love or hate that was yet another great & exciting performance... BUT... Am I the only one here that thinks this kid may be Juicing or something? I mean why every time this kid fights in Texas theres always some pre fight drama or lack of drug testing? At the weigh-in both Chavez jr. And lee looked exactly what the scale read (pretty much the same) with lee probably a quarter over... Then came fight night and he (Chavez jr.) looked more like he came to fight Chad Dawson instead of Andy lee. I mean did they even show his fight night weight? I must have missed it if they did but either way what's the point of setting a WEIGHT LIMIT for just the SCALE and NOT THE FIGHT?

I could be wrong but until I hear that Chavez jr. Has agreed to osdt then I could be right also.

But am I the only 1?

well....he is fighting in texas. anything is possible. i also wonder about that whole glove incident. i'd like to see that cleared up or put to rest. i don't want to believe that there is something to that.

Exactly, I mean I don't wanna sound like I'm knockin the kid because he has come a ways and seems to be a ppv star in the making but he seems suspect to me, not only because it's in Texas but because of reports like the one you just brought up that makes me not trust this kids natural talent

He undoubtedly has potential but he's pampered. He skipped drug tests got caught on ped maskers and comes in 20+ pounds overweight on fight night. It's simple, get in shape or move up in weight and take your tests

He got caught on PED maskers? Really? I never knew that. You got an article by any chance?

Middleweight Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., the son of the former three-division champion and Mexican icon, tested positive for a banned substance in conjunction with his Nov. 14 fight against Troy Rowland, according to the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Executive director Keith Kizer said Saturday that Chavez, who tested positive for Furosemide, a diuretic, faces a fine and suspension.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., right, won a 10-round middleweight decision against Troy Rowland last month. Chavez faces a fine and ban in Nevada.
Chavez (41-0-1, 30 KOs) won a 10-round decision against Rowland in the co-featured bout on the Manny Pacquiao-Miguel Cotto undercard at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Kizer said the positive results came from Chavez's pre-fight urinalysis.

All of the other boxers on the card had negative test results, Kizer said.

The commission filed a formal complaint on Tuesday against Chavez. He has 20 days to respond, which will be followed by a hearing at a date to be determined. If Chavez does not respond to the complaint, the commission may reach a decision in his absence.

If the commission upholds the test result, which it usually does, the result of the fight would be changed to a no decision.

According to the complaint, Chavez, 23, faces a suspension of up to nine months and a fine that could equal his entire $100,000 purse, although fighters are typically fined a smaller portion in these cases. In addition, Chavez would be required to provide a negative urine test before he's allowed to fight in Nevada again.

Chavez, a cash cow for promoters Top Rank and Mexico-based Zanfer Promotions, would be barred from fighting in the United States during a suspension. However, it would not prevent him from fighting in Mexico, where he has fought most of his bouts and draws big crowds as the headliner on Top Rank's series of "Latin Fury" pay-per-view cards.

"I think it was an innocent mistake, one that the Nevada commission will have to deal with, as well as Chavez," said Top Rank's Carl Moretti. "I don't think he knew diuretics were banned by the Nevada commission."

Dan Rafael covers boxing for ESPN.com.

Here ya go...I almost thought this incriminating piece of evidence would be launched into No Man's Land, but I found it with ease...surprisingly.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/ne...tory?id=4716150

What's funny is Furosemide is Lasix, a diuretic, often prescribed to patients w/ Heart Failure. It helps the body to excrete excess fluid, but often at the expense of the person's potassium. I'm curious as to how that earns the moniker "Performance Enhancing"?

Diuretics are often abused by athletes to excrete water for rapid weight loss and to mask the presence of other banned substances. Because of their abuse by athletes, diuretics have been included on The World Anti-Doping Agency's (WADA) list of prohibited substances; the use of diuretics is banned both in competition and out of competition and diuretics are routinely screened for by anti-doping laboratories. This review provides an overview of the pharmacology and toxicology of diuretics and discusses their application in sports. The most common analytical strategies currently followed by the anti-doping laboratories accredited by the WADA are discussed along with the challenges laboratories face for the analysis of this diverse class of drugs.

Diuretics

What are they?
Diuretics are drugs that change your body's natural balance of fluids and salts (electrolytes) and can lead to dehydration. This loss of water can decrease an athlete's weight, helping him or her to compete in a lighter weight class, which many athletes prefer. Diuretics may also help athletes pass drug tests by diluting their urine and are sometimes referred to as a "masking" agent.

Risks
Diuretics taken an any dose, even medically recommended doses, predispose athletes to adverse effects such as:

Dehydration
Muscle cramps
Exhaustion
Dizziness
Potassium deficiency
Heart arrhythmias
Drop in blood pressure
Heatstroke
Death

Few things you can't knock about this kid is 1st his record, his chin, his will to win, and lately his fan friendly matches. Love or hate that was yet another great & exciting performance... BUT... Am I the only one here that thinks this kid may be Juicing or something? I mean why every time this kid fights in Texas theres always some pre fight drama or lack of drug testing? At the weigh-in both Chavez jr. And lee looked exactly what the scale read (pretty much the same) with lee probably a quarter over... Then came fight night and he (Chavez jr.) looked more like he came to fight Chad Dawson instead of Andy lee. I mean did they even show his fight night weight? I must have missed it if they did but either way what's the point of setting a WEIGHT LIMIT for just the SCALE and NOT THE FIGHT?

I could be wrong but until I hear that Chavez jr. Has agreed to osdt then I could be right also.

But am I the only 1?

I thought the same thing, because its easy to associate the term "diuretics" with "diarrhea". Here is another excerpt that i found about diuretics...

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111...0789.x/abstract



According to the ESPN article, the substance was found in his "pre-fight" urinalysis results. Was he able to provide urine before last weekend's bout? Nope. Did he provide urine after the Rubio fight in Texas? Hell no. Did he more than likely NOT provide urine after last weekend's bout in Texas? That remains to be seen.

I also found this piece of info on how diuretics help athletes pass tests...

He undoubtedly has potential but he's pampered. He skipped drug tests got caught on ped maskers and comes in 20+ pounds overweight on fight night. It's simple, get in shape or move up in weight and take your tests

What's funny is Furosemide is Lasix, a diuretic, often prescribed to patients w/ Heart Failure. It helps the body to excrete excess fluid, but often at the expense of the person's potassium. I'm curious as to how that earns the moniker "Performance Enhancing"?

I thought the same thing, because its easy to associate the term "diuretics" with "diarrhea". Here is another excerpt that i found about diuretics...

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111...0789.x/abstract



According to the ESPN article, the substance was found in his "pre-fight" urinalysis results. Was he able to provide urine before last weekend's bout? Nope. Did he provide urine after the Rubio fight in Texas? Hell no. Did he more than likely NOT provide urine after last weekend's bout in Texas? That remains to be seen.

I also found this piece of info on how diuretics help athletes pass tests...

i thought he got caught for diuretics?

exactly daprofessor. without the potassium you will cramp like nobody's business. Lasix is a performance enhancer. if you drop weight to fight at a weight class you probably shouldn't be in to have an advantage over everyone else cause you are way bigger come fight night then its a performance enhancer.
when i used to compete as a powerlifter, lasix use was prevelant as was pgcl to make weight. Guys would weight in around 220 but come the next day, they are like 240 or 250 while i competed at what i weighed in at. i would get beat all the time.

Those are considered ped maskers as I said and peds as well since they allow you to drop weight so you can fight in smaller weight classes.

i saw that in cshells post. i forgot that aspect of diuretics.

I hope brandon rios isn't reading these, he might just find a solution to his problem.

I'm assuming it doesn't matter what peds jr is on, Martinez doesn't want any extra testing. Are they both juicing? My guess is Martinez doesn't care what he's using as long as he gets a fat check.

That article on the front page was a interesting read. Good job by Emanuel to speak out but it might be a little too late.

I didn't notice the ring size on tv so I can't say anything but it sounds like chavez certainly weighed in 180+ and did skip his test again.

diuretics are used to make weight....and the potassium expense explains the leg cramps. the kid is obviously killing himself to fight at a weight that isn't easy for him to make.

Which further reiterates my point...it isn't "Performance Enhancing". Dangerous? Yes. However, I can see it allows him to synthetically "make weight".

I hope brandon rios isn't reading these, he might just find a solution to his problem.

Which further reiterates my point...it isn't "Performance Enhancing". Dangerous? Yes. However, I can see it allows him to synthetically "make weight".

A critically important point is being missed:

Diuretics are often used to mask the presence of PEDs.

I hope brandon rios isn't reading these, he might just find a solution to his problem.

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+1

Idk how many times I've said the same thing before

also being able to fight a middleweight at a super middleweight/light heavy weight size sounds like its performance enhancing to me.

true.

power lifter!? u ever compete at venice beach?

yes a few years back.

Check, I'm tracking and conceded its usage as both dangerous and dubious. However, my only point is it isn't "performance enhancing" and one of WADA's initial reasons for for banning it, was due to potentially fatal risk should it be abused. However, like you have mentioned, it's used as a masking agent, further solidifying WADA's stance against it.

Now, if anyone thinks that's why BOXING, is banning it, you're crazy. Boxing is of the belief, diuretics enable guys to unfairly make weight, not so much the "PED" advantage. I mean, after all, boxing doesn't believe there is a "steroid or PED problem", right? LMBO!!!!

Diuretics are absolutely Performance Enhancing Drugs.

Using these drugs, you're unnaturally cutting weight, which allows you to compete in lower weight divisions against smaller guys.

Ergo, you're taller, have more reach, more punch resilience (you're fucking 3 weight classes higher during the fight) and greater power.

It may not be "directly" enhancing your performance, like HGH or EPO does, but it most certainly allows for tacit and unfair advantages in a fight.

Then why have weight classes to begin with, if the miracle of modern day drugs allows light heavyweights to cut to middleweight ?

It's also a huge problem in MMA.

Anderson Silva fights at 185 lbs., but is known to walk around at AT LEAST 220 lbs.

You tell me how a 37 year old man cuts damn near 40 pounds during training camp naturally, at an age when it's increasingly difficult to lose weight.

Easy. It's not possible NATURALLY.

Diuretics are absolutely Performance Enhancing Drugs.

It may not be "directly" enhancing your performance, like HGH or EPO does, but it most certainly allows for tacit and unfair advantages in a fight.

Then why have weight classes to begin with, if the miracle of modern day drugs allows light heavyweights to cut to middleweight ?

But it is PED enabling. Its not much different from those pills potheads in the Navy take before they get pissed test. The shit that makes you itch for like a week. Essentially, it isnt the bank robber but it drives the getaway vehicle.

I know you cant put too much stock in it but did anyone see the video of Chavez sparring Martirosyan? He was getting starched up!

Sorry, just realized the vid is old.