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Gambit808
Makes sense to me. Got his first draw fighting Carlos Molina the man who many thought would've beaten James Kirkland had the ref not DQ the corner man (I personally didn't). Got his first and only loss to Paul Williams, though many beleived he actually won (no offence Paul). Stylistically I see him (Lara) giving Canelo "Hell" if they fight. I mean if Alverez wants to pay tribute to Paul an all, why not do it against the man who gave him alotta fits...... or fists (no offense again Paul)....... I'm just sayin.
checkleft
I think this is the second or third time I've said this, this is a sign. Make the fight happen
pimpfighterROQ
Yes this is a very good matchup. But I also think Kirkland is a good choice as well.


Does anyone know when Cotto plans to fight again? I think Alvarez vs Cotto can match Chavez vs Martinez in September. Hell it gives Cotto another shot to win a title...
Gambit808
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 25 2012, 12:11 AM) *
I think this is the second or third time I've said this, this is a sign. Make the fight happen

Damn! must have missed it but all in all, i feel the same way bro
Gambit808
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 25 2012, 12:11 AM) *
I think this is the second or third time I've said this, this is a sign. Make the fight happen

i don't think Cotto has an opponent at the moment but thats a great fight too, even though i see Cotto Schooling this kid 4real... Didn't Cotto's Brother almost knock dude out when they fought?
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jun 25 2012, 12:31 AM) *
i don't think Cotto has an opponent at the moment but thats a great fight too, even though i see Cotto Schooling this kid 4real... Didn't Cotto's Brother almost knock dude out when they fought?

Alvarez vs. Lara...yes please. From what I can remember I didn't think that Alvarez was in any real trouble against the other Cotto. It was a good test for Alvarez at that stage, but Alvarez has improved quite a bit from that point.
Gambit808
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Jun 25 2012, 12:46 AM) *
Alvarez vs. Lara...yes please. From what I can remember I didn't think that Alvarez was in any real trouble against the other Cotto. It was a good test for Alvarez at that stage, but Alvarez has improved quite a bit from that point.

that he (Alverez) has... Cotto was also mentioned as a future opponent for Saul for the end of this year. It's gonna be interesting to see if these 2 will or won't make that happen sooner than later
The Original MrFactor
Lara is a good matchup. I'd like to see him in against Cotto too, but the build up time is too short. Cotto would be a good matchup for December of this year. Not sure Alvarez gets by Lara though. lara could run the jewels and beat Alvarez and then Cotto later this year. Then he'd have a date with Mayweather of Pacquiao. How does that sound?
mrchitown
Would love to see Lara get the shot at Canelo but I'd be surprised if they put this fight together. Lara is high risk and I think he's more then capable of winning the fight. But he is running out of opponents so I'm hoping he gets the nod in September instead of Trout or the other possible candidates
sduck
Yes please
leonthegee
Laras a good opponent but hes not box office material. I think he still has a lot to prove as a pro. If I was Canelo I wouldnt give him a shot. If Lara keeps winning a fact next year could be worth a lot more. With a potential Mayweather fight on the horizon I would be looking to upgrade my profile. Id fight someone who I would look good against like Kirkland or Angulo. Those bums come straight forward and would make for an exicting fight. Laras too risky with Floyd about to get out.
Cshel86
High risk, low reward. Not happenin'. Guys claim to be hardcore boxing fans, but drool over the idea of these type of fights being made. Not only that, but along the way, they forget about the business side of the sport and claim that "it's dead" when fights either dont happen or end in weird fashions.

My bet is that Molina will be next for Canelo on Sept. 15th. Everybody's yelling for Lara to get his shot, but they really want to see him stop Canelo, typical, no problem with that.

Here's where it gets tricky (well, not really), people who are REAL boxing fans, would know that Molina gave Lara all types of shit and actually beat him, but the fight was declared a draw. No need to put Canelo in there with somebody can crack, but yet, they cant do anything with him image-wise...there's no profit in that.

So, if you look at it...Molina is good enough to:

1. Give Lara (who is a B-level fighter (at best) with good power) fits (or beat him).
2. Beat James Kirkland (who may have had a shoulder injury going into the fight, but is slow as shit either way)

With this said, he's a good enough "threat" for Canelo, and should be given a consolation prize for the fuckery that happened in Texas. The story would be, Molina has given Lara hell, actually beat Kirkland but was robbed, gave Chavez Jr. the fight of his life twice, and deserves a shot at the stage.

Truth is, Canelo's quick enough to crack him (unlike Kirkland), but at times will be vulnerable enough to succumb to Molina's game plan that always seems to work...which makes for a great fight, with little risk.

Ortiz couldn't even put out Lopez (whose a small WW), so Im sure they would've found a way to call that Sept. 15th fight off. Ortiz's recent performance raised more questions, than actually answering them. Kirkland cant decide if his shoulder is actually hurt or not. Williams is out. Lara is Cuban (nuff said). Golden Boy can recycle Molina and "promise" to give fans a good fight this time. Hell, Canelo could actually fight Angulo in Mexico by the ned of this year, since he fights so damn often.

None of this is official, but I see Molina being the man to get this fight. Besides, this is Canelo's first time headlining a PPV card, so he wont be in there with somebody who can actually beat him.
daprofessor
i'd rather see canelo fight molina.
The Original MrFactor
Looks like its gonna be K9 Bundrage. What a cop out. I like Bundrage, but i think he's a worse opponent than a Shane Mosley rematch. Bundrage has no shot. Looks like they are running scared from Lara.
daprofessor
quintana would have been a good selection. even the other puerto rican kid that just beat sechew powell....then u have the whole mexico vs p.r. thing....and a solid match with either guy.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 26 2012, 02:18 AM) *
quintana would have been a good selection. even the other puerto rican kid that just beat sechew powell....then u have the whole mexico vs p.r. thing....and a solid match with either guy.

I wouldn't rule Quitana out either. He just scored an upset KO over Lattimore (though he's beat before) after a long layoff. Besides, he IS the first guy to beat Paul Williams, and they wanted to promote it as if Williams was a legit threat to Canelo (which he was), so who better to put in front of Canelo than the guy who beat Williams and just had a KO victory?
Franchize
I would like to see this fight but it better not be PPV. Im not paying for this shit lol
BrutUalBK
I think Lara schools him, the more Canelo misses, the more he'd pay!!
mrchitown
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Jun 25 2012, 10:23 AM) *
Laras a good opponent but hes not box office material. I think he still has a lot to prove as a pro. If I was Canelo I wouldnt give him a shot. If Lara keeps winning a fact next year could be worth a lot more. With a potential Mayweather fight on the horizon I would be looking to upgrade my profile. Id fight someone who I would look good against like Kirkland or Angulo. Those bums come straight forward and would make for an exicting fight. Laras too risky with Floyd about to get out.


Kirkland aint coming back into the picture, it's a thousand and one things going on with him and his camp from money to fight Canelo to his injury not being properly healed yet. And Angulo and Canelo would be interesting but he got his ass handed to him by Kirkland, Lara got ribbed against Williams. Lara poses a bigger threat then both Angulo and Kirkland to me because they are 1 track fighters. Besides, Angulo is fighting deportation and locked away, he won't be available for quite some time. And even then he should get some W's under his belt before he gets a crack at a title
mrchitown
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Jun 26 2012, 12:07 AM) *
Looks like its gonna be K9 Bundrage. What a cop out. I like Bundrage, but i think he's a worse opponent than a Shane Mosley rematch. Bundrage has no shot. Looks like they are running scared from Lara.


I read that too. Bundrage will be looking to cash out in that fight. Looks like they're just playing it safe...and your right, they're hiding from lara
daprofessor
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jun 26 2012, 01:41 PM) *
I think Lara schools him, the more Canelo misses, the more he'd pay!!


what up brutual!!! how u been?
wolterb
no one wants to take on lara for what was already mentioned. he has no draw, a modest record (unless you follow enough to know the amateur background) and the ability to fuck the up and comers up at most, and make them look bad at least.

But in dream world, i'd love to see canelo and lara
daprofessor
i actually think canelo beats lara. canelo has pretty good defense....and if he just switches up his attack a little and puts foot pressure on lara with some good body work...he'll get the win.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 27 2012, 01:15 PM) *
i actually think canelo beats lara. canelo has pretty good defense....and if he just switches up his attack a little and puts foot pressure on lara with some good body work...he'll get the win.

Hmm idk if i could agree about the defense. I think I would favor him too but it would be interesting to see how he would deal with laras counter punching and how well he would take those shots. I don't think Lara gas great power but the shots you don't see hurt the most. I'm not sure Canelo can match his speed but Lara definitely can't match canelos power, Saul has heavy ass hands.
Franchize
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 26 2012, 10:55 AM) *
I wouldn't rule Quitana out either. He just scored an upset KO over Lattimore (though he's beat before) after a long layoff. Besides, he IS the first guy to beat Paul Williams, and they wanted to promote it as if Williams was a legit threat to Canelo (which he was), so who better to put in front of Canelo than the guy who beat Williams and just had a KO victory?


Quintana is known for taking the wind out a motherfucker's sails as soon as he thinks his ass is about to blow up lol. His nickname should be Carlos "Not so Fast" Quintana lol
BrutUalBK
What's up Professor? I'm good Bro, what's crackN?
checkleft
It will be a joke if maidana fights alvarez as some reports are saying.. Smh
Gambit808
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 29 2012, 09:32 PM) *
It will be a joke if maidana fights alvarez as some reports are saying.. Smh

would definitely remove a notch of respect i have for GBP in terms of matchmaking
daprofessor
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jun 28 2012, 10:10 AM) *
What's up Professor? I'm good Bro, what's crackN?


i think u got banned from the shithole before i did. where u been?
daprofessor
i like lara....but after watching him struggle at times with a slow ass hernandez....i'm more convinced canelo beats him.
Cshel86
Same here Professor...after both of their last fights, I have questions about their power. They both hit hard, this is true, but do that hit hard as people make it seem? Canelo couldn't send a 40-year old Mosley to the canvas, but small ass Pacquiao could?

Well...maybe that makes Manny seem questionable. Lara hit Hernandez with everything that he wanted to hit him with, and no Hernandez-to-canvas that night. It seems that if their opponent can take their punches, then they are stuck in these weird patches of confusion during the fight.
mgrover
I think there's a stigma if prospects aren't putting there opponents away its viewed as a bad fight for them, I mean winning via unanimous decision is great in my books, if the knock-out comes fine, as long as they outclassed the opponent. But they seem to push for the KO at times and it just doesn't work well in there favour.
Cshel86
QUOTE (mgrover @ Jul 2 2012, 08:34 PM) *
I think there's a stigma if prospects aren't putting there opponents away its viewed as a bad fight for them, I mean winning via unanimous decision is great in my books, if the knock-out comes fine, as long as they outclassed the opponent. But they seem to push for the KO at times and it just doesn't work well in there favour.

Im glad his fight went the distance though. I was actually getting tired of seeing Lara get guys out of there so damn quick, it really didn't help in his "rise to the top", so to speak. Nowadays, if a fighter appears to be too much of a threat, then he doesn't get bigger fights because of "business". It's really a catch-22 though...
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jul 2 2012, 08:31 PM) *
Same here Professor...after both of their last fights, I have questions about their power. They both hit hard, this is true, but do that hit hard as people make it seem? Canelo couldn't send a 40-year old Mosley to the canvas, but small ass Pacquiao could?

Well...maybe that makes Manny seem questionable. Lara hit Hernandez with everything that he wanted to hit him with, and no Hernandez-to-canvas that night. It seems that if their opponent can take their punches, then they are stuck in these weird patches of confusion during the fight.


u know...this whole pac punching power thing has always had me speculating. i am convinced that it has everything to do with rehydration restrictions....but something else has recently caused me to raise an eye brow...that whole situation in the jcc jr/andy lee fight where lee asked to weigh jr's gloves and they declined. i wonder if they are pulling fast ones with the gloves. u can have gloves made with a different density of foam and that would make a huge difference on how a punch would feel. they would look like regular gloves....but the only way to truly tell the difference would be by weighing them. the appearance difference wouldn't be anything alarming because they would still appear to have the same dimensions. the foam would feel like a normal glove in the beginning...but warming up with mitt work....and breaking them in over a 12 round fight. who knows? i'd like to see that investigated.

hernandez was starched with a single shot against berto...but things to consider....that was in the first round. he may have still been cold. also, it was at 147. not sure he was fully rehydrated. that makes a difference.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 2 2012, 09:39 PM) *
i wonder if they are pulling fast ones with the gloves.

Shhhh...dont say that too loud. Investigation is blasphemy sir nono.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jul 2 2012, 10:21 PM) *
Shhhh...dont say that too loud. Investigation is blasphemy sir nono.gif


laugh.gif

i think i'll make a few threads about it to inspire one of the writers to investigate this further.
Cshel86
At this point, Im tired of this "Canelo Sweepstakes" bullcrap. I find it funny that they (Golden Boy) find these opponents for him, who are not a big threat, but they do it to put his name out there. Oh my bad, that's simply promotion. Moving on...

With the above stated, good business move for GBP. It's a "sweepstakes" when a less threatening opponent is named. They ride the hell out of Floyd's name and his PPV cards, big deal. Problem is, when a threat is named for the "sweepstakes", suddenly, Canelo is "still young" and "we're trying to build him up slowly".

Seriously, what in the hell is it? If its a sweepstakes, then he should be ready for whoever. I understand that guys will pick Canelo if they're offered to fight anybody else at 154 (aside from Cotto), but damn, Golden Boy making it too big of a deal.
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