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Cshel86
http://www.fighthype.com/news/article12718.html

Great article by Percy (with Teddy Atlas) about the Pacquiao outcry that people are losing sleep over. Gotta love Atlas, and we'll probably be seeing him on FNF forever, due to his brutal honesty that Im sure the mainstream networks (more so HBO) wouldn't be able to handle.

He talks about how people are going to extreme lengths to justify the Pacquiao robbery, and how it's unfair for guys like Abril and Molina, who were robbed of proceeding paydays because of the political bullshit in boxing.

In so many words, he basically told people to either get over it, or treat everyone's robbery with the same urgency and intent. Richard Abril will probably never get another big payday due to being setback in the Rios fight. What about all of that hard work that Molina put in, just for the ref to DQ him because his corner approached the ring "too early".

Man Atlas put it out there...speaking about how in boxing, there's no separation between the money and the people. In easier terms, no way the officials should be so close to promoters and such. What about those officials who get wined & dined before big fights? $3k-$5k dinners for the officials...paid for by the promoters? Yep..he went there.

Guys like Abril and Molina dont have multi-million dollar paydays lined up for them, so a robbery sets them waaaaay back...unlike Mr. Simpleton, who the world tends to make a big deal about.

Thoughts?
mgrover
Sure its a bitch, but either way it happened want out going to take someone big to be affected to make serious changes? Out at least people asking for changes. Like when Mayweather kept raving on about OSDT. Well now boxing will soon change for the better we all hope. While I get Teddies point of view, who else was going to realistically get this type of uproar going. If Mayweather was the one who got robbed the public would be throwing a parade for his opponent...
sduck
People act like its the greatest robbery of all time, especially coming from pactards. You can't convince most of them, because they're just dumb.
Cshel86
I would hate to be on the receiving end of a robbery...especially in Abril and Molina's case. As Teddy said, they will have to endure thousands of punches JUST to get back in that spot one day, and even that isn't guaranteed.

Guys like Manny, can afford such shenanigans, because he's bound to make more million dollar paydays on the strength of his name alone. Molina and Abril more than likely received chump change for their troubles.

Anyhow, if officials are being treated like royalty at the expense of promoters, then there should be no secret why the events of these cards are predetermined.
daprofessor
didn't read the article....but again...this fight was not a robbery in my eyes. it was close. i agree...where was the outcry for abril, molina and jmm!?

teddy is great for the sport. he educates the viewers. sometimes he's off....but most times he's on.
Jack 1000
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 25 2012, 11:52 AM) *
didn't read the article....but again...this fight was not a robbery in my eyes. it was close. i agree...where was the outcry for abril, molina and jmm!?

teddy is great for the sport. he educates the viewers. sometimes he's off....but most times he's on.


He's a much better writer than oral talker. As a talker Teddy comes across as an arrogant, egotistical, pompous ass. He doesn't even give rounds less than 10-8 on multiple knockdowns for some bullshit reasons I have never thought out. As a writer though, it is better to read what he has to say than listen to what he has to say. He does make good points a lot of times, and would certainly NOT fit into the "YES MAN" pom-pom shaking with Lamply and Steward at HBO! And in that sense, Teddy's arrogance is a great thing! Could you imagine him and Lamps at HBO?! Would never work! I will check out the article. Thanks for posting!

Jack
checkleft
What about campillo. He only lost like one round the whole fight and still got jobbed
BoxingStill#1
Im not going to dwell on the fight rather than Teddy's brilliance. I enjoy reading his articles, and listening to his brutal honesty.

His overall experience working in the sport gives him the edge..

I believe he is just what the spoet needs as far as a voice goes..

In short, id much rather see 'fight game' with him than lampley..
Cshel86
Good lookin' out Check, I totally forgot about Campillo for some odd reason. Poor guy, he was robbed of a chance at bigger fights by Cloud, of all people. Well, Texas and Don King were the culprits, but Im sure Cloud will have his hands full with Pascal.
daprofessor
forgot about campillo. poor dude. showtime could do something about robberies like those....they can keep the fighter off their network until they rematch to settle things.

i'd much rather watch a show with atlas than lamps.

anyone else find it hilarious that lampley is throwing a punch in the opening of the show? laugh.gif fag.
pimpfighterROQ
I agree that people need to stop trippin sayin shit like boxing is dead just cause Pac got robbed. You see Pac and Roach cryin and whinin? So why should these people do?

Lara vs Williams and Rios vs Abril are the biggest robberies of today in my book. But it's good that it has finally happened to a big name fighter. It creates a bigger warning sign than other robberies. Sad but its true. Now judges would think twice before pulling a robbery on a fighter at least till this whole shit cools down.

Pac and Mayweather have set the stage in reforming boxing. Mayweather with drug testing and all these fighters being positive popping up like daisies. Pacquiao unknowingly sent a message to judges to think twice on a robbery.


I wish Teddy was at HBO. Poor guy speaks the truth.
Jack 1000
It would be good to find out in that article what recent big fights the judges and the championship federation officials went to dinner with the promoter as Teddy talks about. That would be something that needs to stop, but who or what would stop it? And I could understand with international officials, you want to be a gracious host. However, the promoter should not be the one showing that kind of patronage. He certainly should NOT be picking up the check!

Jack
daprofessor
QUOTE (pimpfighterROQ @ Jun 25 2012, 09:23 PM) *
I agree that people need to stop trippin sayin shit like boxing is dead just cause Pac got robbed. You see Pac and Roach cryin and whinin? So why should these people do?

Lara vs Williams and Rios vs Abril are the biggest robberies of today in my book. But it's good that it has finally happened to a big name fighter. It creates a bigger warning sign than other robberies. Sad but its true. Now judges would think twice before pulling a robbery on a fighter at least till this whole shit cools down.

Pac and Mayweather have set the stage in reforming boxing. Mayweather with drug testing and all these fighters being positive popping up like daisies. Pacquiao unknowingly sent a message to judges to think twice on a robbery.


I wish Teddy was at HBO. Poor guy speaks the truth.


i thought campillo/cloud and jmm/pac 3 were bigger robberies.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jun 25 2012, 11:38 PM) *
It would be good to find out in that article what recent big fights the judges and the championship federation officials went to dinner with the promoter as Teddy talks about. That would be something that needs to stop, but who or what would stop it? And I could understand with international officials, you want to be a gracious host. However, the promoter should not be the one showing that kind of patronage. He certainly should NOT be picking up the check!

Jack


so the idea would be to bring this stuff to light so they can be shamed into doing what's right? u know this is bob arum we're talking about here right? the guy has no shame. he's the same guy that brought us pac/margarito and cotto/margarito 2. absolutely no shame in his game.
alaganza
As you guys have stated this is nothing new to boxing. And it definitely wasn't the worse decision ever.
Sturm-de la Hoya was way worse IMO.
Franchize
I thought Campillo vs Cloud and Lara vs Williams was worse than this. I love Teddy Atlas' knowledge and analytical prowess on the sweet science man. I wish the politics took a back seat and allowed this man to be at the forefront of boxing analysis. He would do wonders for the sport if he were on HBO or Showtime. This interview was amazing!
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