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mgrover
Well i hear a lot of different things like fighters that hardly spar, especially uk fighters, while say the mayweather gym have some all out sessions, i mean thay resembles a few gyms ive been to as an amatuer but why do uk fighters shy away from sparring? Is it the risk of injury, i mean i always thought sparring was the best way to improve given a decent partner
checkleft
You should ask pirog about the injury stuff he seems to get injured before he even walks towards the ring lol..

Idk maybe they are intimidated and don't want to get put up on YouTube or don't want to build up any scar tissue for future fights or something idk.. I didn't know that though, interesting thread
Cshel86
Interesting. I never knew that most/all of those fighters didn't spar, air their sparring sessions, or spar sparingly. This is something that I'll have to pay more attention to...
BoxingStill#1
Hmmm I didnt know, or think that either...

Every gym needs a 'dog house' and every fighter needs to be put in there.. period

Imo, there is just no way your can properly prepare for what your body goes through in a fight... obviously sparring is the closest thing we got..

I dont get it if its true...
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 8 2012, 05:17 AM) *
Well i hear a lot of different things like fighters that hardly spar, especially uk fighters, while say the mayweather gym have some all out sessions, i mean thay resembles a few gyms ive been to as an amatuer but why do uk fighters shy away from sparring? Is it the risk of injury, i mean i always thought sparring was the best way to improve given a decent partner


i don't know that to be true. i was in the uk this past january and we sparred daily. some of the sessions were pretty intense too. it doesn't need to be done daily...but it should be done. it's the only way to put everything together. it doesn't need to be all out either....but it happens. most times when guys are going all out they end up with injuries. i like a controlled atmosphere for sparring. when i was back in chicago...there is no such thing. it's why i believe a lot of the good fighters don't make it out of there. it's similar to philly that way. my philosophy...save the fight for the fight. sparring should be about learning/perfecting ur craft. u don't have to beat the shit outta ppl to accomplish that.
leonthegee
I remember Lennox Lewis, pre Manny Steward, used to never spar. Ricky Hatton never spared through any of his 24/7 specials. Maybe thats why their always gasing out late in fights.
mgrover
Its just something i heard in an interview, i think it was percy, asking if this uk light heavweight sparred a lot, because uk fighters dont

it was scott smith with tony bellow asking him

"SS: I’ve spoken with a number of British boxers past and present recently about their preparations for fights. Surprisingly a lot are not keen on sparring too much before a fight, how important is sparring for yourself and what is the main benefits you get of it?"
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 8 2012, 05:43 PM) *
Its just something i heard in an interview, i think it was percy, asking if this uk light heavweight sparred a lot, because uk fighters dont

it was scott smith with tony bellow asking him

"SS: Iíve spoken with a number of British boxers past and present recently about their preparations for fights. Surprisingly a lot are not keen on sparring too much before a fight, how important is sparring for yourself and what is the main benefits you get of it?"


hmmm. interesting. maybe the guys we were sparring with were just doing it to oblige?
mgrover
Who knows, people care too much about appearances, I mean even Floyd used to never show any recording during sparring after that Paul spadafora incident till recently
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 9 2012, 07:37 PM) *
Who knows, people care too much about appearances, I mean even Floyd used to never show any recording during sparring after that Paul spadafora incident till recently


it's more than just appearances. if i can watch a guy work for a few rounds each time he spars...i can tell u exactly what his strengths and weaknesses are...i can tell u how to beat him. i can also train and drill a fighter accordingly to give him a difficult time. the element of surprise is very valuable in boxing. if u don't know what u have in front of u, chances are it will be difficult to defeat them.
Cshel86
QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 9 2012, 08:37 PM) *
Who knows, people care too much about appearances, I mean even Floyd used to never show any recording during sparring after that Paul spadafora incident till recently

Honestly, at this point, there really isn't anybody out there that can beat him, plus he's at the end of his career. The chief reason I believe that he shows us his sparring sessions, is because the guys that he's been sparring with as of late, are pretty much friends with him.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 10 2012, 01:59 AM) *
it's more than just appearances. if i can watch a guy work for a few rounds each time he spars...i can tell u exactly what his strengths and weaknesses are...i can tell u how to beat him. i can also train and drill a fighter accordingly to give him a difficult time. the element of surprise is very valuable in boxing. if u don't know what u have in front of u, chances are it will be difficult to defeat them.


true but tapes work just as fine as long as there not changing anything up extremely. And if they have I guess that fighter better adjust
mgrover
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 10 2012, 02:04 AM) *
Honestly, at this point, there really isn't anybody out there that can beat him, plus he's at the end of his career. The chief reason I believe that he shows us his sparring sessions, is because the guys that he's been sparring with as of late, are pretty much friends with him.


short of putting him in there with a one of the klits i doubt anyone can, so he may as well whore out a few easy fighters and retire healthy. and even with the klits id have to wonder how fast he'd be compared to them.(yes i know putting him in there with them is fairly ridiculous and unlikely)
Cshel86
QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 10 2012, 08:13 AM) *
short of putting him in there with a one of the klits i doubt anyone can, so he may as well whore out a few easy fighters and retire healthy. and even with the klits id have to wonder how fast he'd be compared to them.(yes i know putting him in there with them is fairly ridiculous and unlikely)

Yep, he may as well take a few more relatively easy fights and promote them as megafights. Now that we've seen Pacquiao struggle against a 38 year old LW and have a hard time hitting that big head of Bradley, I think it's safe to say that he aint beatin' Floyd nowadays either.

As for him and the Klitz bros...I laughed my ass off when I read that part of your post! That would be funny to see. It would somewhat remind me of Benavidez Jr. fighting that small guy on the Pac/Marquez III preliminaries. Dude had about a 6 inch height advantage and a 9 inch arm length advantage...dude was a lilliputian. laugh.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 9 2012, 09:04 PM) *
true but tapes work just as fine as long as there not changing anything up extremely. And if they have I guess that fighter better adjust


tapes do work....but i'd prefer seeing the most recent training over tapes any day. imagine ur getting ur fighter ready....and hbo brings u current video of ur opponents training sessions. how valuable would that be!? u get to see exactly what they're working on....strategy....mistakes....strengths...weaknesses. that's priceless.
daprofessor
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Aug 8 2012, 05:18 PM) *
I remember Lennox Lewis, pre Manny Steward, used to never spar. Ricky Hatton never spared through any of his 24/7 specials. Maybe thats why their always gasing out late in fights.


in the lead up to the fight with pac...hatton was sparring with lightweights who had like 5 fights and was getting rocked. they had to back off of sparring and his sparring partners were asked to go very easy.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 9 2012, 09:04 PM) *
Honestly, at this point, there really isn't anybody out there that can beat him, plus he's at the end of his career. The chief reason I believe that he shows us his sparring sessions, is because the guys that he's been sparring with as of late, are pretty much friends with him.



everyone is beatable. omar henry is a wannabe cotto-clone who doesn't have the understanding to go with his style. floyd knew he'd be a safe sparring partner to showcase a session with. can't remember where i heard or read it....but floyd had been owning him in sparring sessions.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 10 2012, 08:00 PM) *
everyone is beatable. omar henry is a wannabe cotto-clone who doesn't have the understanding to go with his style. floyd knew he'd be a safe sparring partner to showcase a session with. can't remember where i heard or read it....but floyd had been owning him in sparring sessions.


we saw him get owned on that open workout
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 10 2012, 03:32 PM) *
we saw him get owned on that open workout


i meant prior to that open workout. now that i think about it...it may have been in here...or on the comment section of that video or something.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 11 2012, 12:12 AM) *
i meant prior to that open workout. now that i think about it...it may have been in here...or on the comment section of that video or something.



ah i see, ill have to find it
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