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Gambit808
I figured Broner vs. Guerrero at 147lbs. Was a bit unrealistic at this point though he (Broner) might claim otherwise. Broner even hinted at a clash with Demarco via twitter hoping that he would win the fight with Molina Jr., and now that ended quick, Dela Hoya threw out his own hint posting on his account "Broner vs. Demarco"

Broner SHOULD murder this dude, but I like the match. Would have loved the Guerrero fight more but looks like we'll have 2 wait for that 1.

I guess now Guerrero might go back to calling out Mayweather for the umf-teenth time.
Musashi100
that who broner wanted that who he should get, i ain't complaining
checkleft
Honestly, I think this is the harder fight out of the two.
Cshel86
Ughh, let's please not give Broner any more attention than he's already starved for over the past couple of months...
Gambit808
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:54 PM) *
Ughh, let's please not give Broner any more attention than he's already starved for over the past couple of months...

Hey man what can I say, dude got that star quality to keep em talkin. The special ingredient of success in boxing, other than the fighting itself.
daprofessor
i'd rather see guerrero/broner than demarco/broner. demarco is going to get hurt.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Sep 9 2012, 08:23 PM) *
Hey man what can I say, dude got that star quality to keep em talkin. The special ingredient of success in boxing, other than the fighting itself.

LOL

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 9 2012, 09:05 PM) *
i'd rather see guerrero/broner than demarco/broner. demarco is going to get hurt.

I'd like to see the Demarco fight. It makes sense, and its at a weight that Broner doesn't have to rush to. Guerrero will learn his lesson at WW, and we'll see him at 140 in no time.

If Broner rushes to 147 to face Robert (who will never seem to get the payday and stardom that he's looking for) and wins or loses, then what? Move back down to LW? Guerrero needs to get bent, and find a meaningful fight the division that he raced to.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 9 2012, 09:05 PM) *
i'd rather see guerrero/broner than demarco/broner. demarco is going to get hurt.

There is nothing guerrero does as well as broner except maybe talk and annoy people. At least with demarco you gave someone that we know has knockout power (been on like a three fight knockout streak I think?) Puts pressure on fighters and seems to have decent ring intelligence.
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 9 2012, 09:20 PM) *
LOL


I'd like to see the Demarco fight. It makes sense, and its at a weight that Broner doesn't have to rush to. Guerrero will learn his lesson at WW, and we'll see him at 140 in no time.

If Broner rushes to 147 to face Robert (who will never seem to get the payday and stardom that he's looking for) and wins or loses, then what? Move back down to LW? Guerrero needs to get bent, and find a meaningful fight the division that he raced to.

I agree with this. High risk of ruining his body over a very low reward win against another unproven fighter
Slumpage
Robert the Ghost clearly jumped the 140lb division because its stacked with talent imo. He thinks he can try position himself to get the Floyd shot at WW, and actually thinks that Floyd has depreciated enough for him to get that shock win. Dude thinks that beating Selcuk Aydin warrants a shot at the current P4P king?! C'mon son.. Why not call out Bradley, or the host of talent at 140? Got guys like Garcia, Mattyhse etc... Instead dude only calls out Floyd, and is now tryna arrange a 147lb fight with the "diet Floyd" Broner...

I know he's tryna raise the profile an get paid, but why not do it the way guys like Floyd had to. Take out the dudes around you first, can't have ONE fight at the weight an expect to get a shot at the champ when you have like no name recognition. Guys like Floyd and Manny can do that, have ONE or no fights in a div an get a championship shot, they bring a lot of money to the table. Guys like the Ghost, he gotta do a lot more to get that type of pull. The Selcuk win was impressive, but one good win doesn't make you an elite fighter, not forgetting that was only Selcuk's 2nd time fighting outside of Europe. So he wasn't exactly "seasoned" himself.

So he beats a relative unknown... on points... Then expects to land a fight with the biggest draw in boxing, tryna claim that dude's a coward if he chooses to not accept the challenge.

Broner should def make him wait, why jump divisions too early and change up ur career plan to accomodate a guy who has less of a name than urself? Plus he'd prob get more credit for beating DeMarco anyway...
Cshel86
QUOTE (Slumpage @ Sep 10 2012, 06:54 AM) *
Robert the Ghost clearly jumped the 140lb division because its stacked with talent imo. He thinks he can try position himself to get the Floyd shot at WW, and actually thinks that Floyd has depreciated enough for him to get that shock win. Dude thinks that beating Selcuk Aydin warrants a shot at the current P4P king?! C'mon son.. Why not call out Bradley, or the host of talent at 140? Got guys like Garcia, Mattyhse etc... Instead dude only calls out Floyd, and is now tryna arrange a 147lb fight with the "diet Floyd" Broner...

I know he's tryna raise the profile an get paid, but why not do it the way guys like Floyd had to. Take out the dudes around you first, can't have ONE fight at the weight an expect to get a shot at the champ when you have like no name recognition. Guys like Floyd and Manny can do that, have ONE or no fights in a div an get a championship shot, they bring a lot of money to the table. Guys like the Ghost, he gotta do a lot more to get that type of pull. The Selcuk win was impressive, but one good win doesn't make you an elite fighter, not forgetting that was only Selcuk's 2nd time fighting outside of Europe. So he wasn't exactly "seasoned" himself.

So he beats a relative unknown... on points... Then expects to land a fight with the biggest draw in boxing, tryna claim that dude's a coward if he chooses to not accept the challenge.

Broner should def make him wait, why jump divisions too early and change up ur career plan to accomodate a guy who has less of a name than urself? Plus he'd prob get more credit for beating DeMarco anyway...

Ownage by Slumpage! laugh.gif I cant disagree with one bit of this post.
Franchize
QUOTE (Slumpage @ Sep 10 2012, 06:54 AM) *
Robert the Ghost clearly jumped the 140lb division because its stacked with talent imo. He thinks he can try position himself to get the Floyd shot at WW, and actually thinks that Floyd has depreciated enough for him to get that shock win. Dude thinks that beating Selcuk Aydin warrants a shot at the current P4P king?! C'mon son.. Why not call out Bradley, or the host of talent at 140? Got guys like Garcia, Mattyhse etc... Instead dude only calls out Floyd, and is now tryna arrange a 147lb fight with the "diet Floyd" Broner...

I know he's tryna raise the profile an get paid, but why not do it the way guys like Floyd had to. Take out the dudes around you first, can't have ONE fight at the weight an expect to get a shot at the champ when you have like no name recognition. Guys like Floyd and Manny can do that, have ONE or no fights in a div an get a championship shot, they bring a lot of money to the table. Guys like the Ghost, he gotta do a lot more to get that type of pull. The Selcuk win was impressive, but one good win doesn't make you an elite fighter, not forgetting that was only Selcuk's 2nd time fighting outside of Europe. So he wasn't exactly "seasoned" himself.

So he beats a relative unknown... on points... Then expects to land a fight with the biggest draw in boxing, tryna claim that dude's a coward if he chooses to not accept the challenge.

Broner should def make him wait, why jump divisions too early and change up ur career plan to accomodate a guy who has less of a name than urself? Plus he'd prob get more credit for beating DeMarco anyway...


LMAO @ Diet Floyd.

Bottom line is, I think Guerrero and other fighters see it like this:

I know if I call out Floyd, at the very least, Pactards and Floyd Haters will add my name to the list of people he supposedly ducked. I might also get him to diss me, and they say "all publicity is good publicity." Then, there's the possibility that he may actually bite and take me up on that challenge. Now I know I'm going to get that ass handed to me. I know that man is going to put it on me. But let's face it. It's worth taking an L and getting schooled for 12 rounds if I can see the biggest pay day I'll ever get in my career. Furthermore, Floyd isn't a HUGE power puncher, so it's not like he'll damage me permanently. Why not? Not to mention, if I somehow get lucky and win, I become the biggest new star in boxing. If I lose, I'm just another guy that lost to Floyd. No shame in that. People will still no me. Losing to Floyd will do more for my career than beating Aydin or any other no name with a meaningless belt.

Problem I have with Guerrero in comparison with these other guys is, we all know that none of them are fuckin with Floyd. However, at least guys like Bradley, Alexander, Khan have people on their resume. Guerrero has nobody. If someone said to Guerrero "why should Floyd fight you." What's he gonna say besides that lame ass belt? What story line is there behind Guerrero other than his wife having cancer? That doesn't sell tickets. That doesn't sell PPVs. Fans don't spend their hard earned money for that. He had big names on the plate and he chose to avoid ALL of them. Maidana, Malinaggi, Judah, Khan. In every instance when it was presented as an opportunity, he either backed out or avoided it altogether. All guys with names bigger than his. You live in a bubble Guerrero. Before you go trying to take bread off the next man's table.... "FINISH YOUR BREAKFAST"

I don't know about yall, but when I was a youngin and my moms made dinner, before you got juice or got to eat any dessert, you had to eat them veggies. Paulie, Zab, Maidana etc.... THAT'S YOUR VEGGIES MOTHERFUCKER!!! I don't wanna hear a peep out of you until that plate is clean!
Gambit808
QUOTE (Franchize @ Sep 10 2012, 01:10 PM) *
LMAO @ Diet Floyd.

Bottom line is, I think Guerrero and other fighters see it like this:

I know if I call out Floyd, at the very least, Pactards and Floyd Haters will add my name to the list of people he supposedly ducked. I might also get him to diss me, and they say "all publicity is good publicity." Then, there's the possibility that he may actually bite and take me up on that challenge. Now I know I'm going to get that ass handed to me. I know that man is going to put it on me. But let's face it. It's worth taking an L and getting schooled for 12 rounds if I can see the biggest pay day I'll ever get in my career. Furthermore, Floyd isn't a HUGE power puncher, so it's not like he'll damage me permanently. Why not? Not to mention, if I somehow get lucky and win, I become the biggest new star in boxing. If I lose, I'm just another guy that lost to Floyd. No shame in that. People will still no me. Losing to Floyd will do more for my career than beating Aydin or any other no name with a meaningless belt.

Problem I have with Guerrero in comparison with these other guys is, we all know that none of them are fuckin with Floyd. However, at least guys like Bradley, Alexander, Khan have people on their resume. Guerrero has nobody. If someone said to Guerrero "why should Floyd fight you." What's he gonna say besides that lame ass belt? What story line is there behind Guerrero other than his wife having cancer? That doesn't sell tickets. That doesn't sell PPVs. Fans don't spend their hard earned money for that. He had big names on the plate and he chose to avoid ALL of them. Maidana, Malinaggi, Judah, Khan. In every instance when it was presented as an opportunity, he either backed out or avoided it altogether. All guys with names bigger than his. You live in a bubble Guerrero. Before you go trying to take bread off the next man's table.... "FINISH YOUR BREAKFAST"

I don't know about yall, but when I was a youngin and my moms made dinner, before you got juice or got to eat any dessert, you had to eat them veggies. Paulie, Zab, Maidana etc.... THAT'S YOUR VEGGIES MOTHERFUCKER!!! I don't wanna hear a peep out of you until that plate is clean!

Lmao @ the veggies comment. I guess most mothers think alike in those terms lol.

I agree though, plenty of names between 140lbs. - 147lbs. For this guy to try and build his status back up after that canceled fight with Maidana. Aydin seems to be a tough fighter but the general public is unfamiliar with him. It's almost like he did the "fist pump" when he got Broner's attention. The perfect style that mocks Floyd's style, just younger and far less proven. Someone he feels he has more experience over as well as size, so if he were to some how beat Broner it would be viewed to the public as the "PROBLEM SOLVER" to Floyd's style hence setting up a fight between the two. But like all guys that take a unexpected fall off the latter, u jus gotta climb back up.

Being champion is a good start, but where talking MONEY here.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 9 2012, 09:20 PM) *
LOL


I'd like to see the Demarco fight. It makes sense, and its at a weight that Broner doesn't have to rush to. Guerrero will learn his lesson at WW, and we'll see him at 140 in no time.

If Broner rushes to 147 to face Robert (who will never seem to get the payday and stardom that he's looking for) and wins or loses, then what? Move back down to LW? Guerrero needs to get bent, and find a meaningful fight the division that he raced to.


but it's broner that was calling out guerrero's name...not the other way around. don't get me wrong...i think broner has skills...but until he jumps two weight classes to take on an undefeated guy with plenty of ko's the way guerrero just did....i think guerrero is a step above broner in the accomplishment department. in broners case....he shouldn't let his mouth write checks his ass can't cash. looks to me like guerrero is willing to fight him. the next move is broners.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 9 2012, 09:42 PM) *
There is nothing guerrero does as well as broner except maybe talk and annoy people. At least with demarco you gave someone that we know has knockout power (been on like a three fight knockout streak I think?) Puts pressure on fighters and seems to have decent ring intelligence.

I agree with this. High risk of ruining his body over a very low reward win against another unproven fighter


demarco is slow and we just saw how he struggle with linares before he got him late. he's tailor made for broner. that fight doesn't interest me.

guerrero on the other hand has fast and heavy hands. he's a much better match up for broner. broner was the one talking shit to begin with....let's see him back it up.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Slumpage @ Sep 10 2012, 06:54 AM) *
Robert the Ghost clearly jumped the 140lb division because its stacked with talent imo. He thinks he can try position himself to get the Floyd shot at WW, and actually thinks that Floyd has depreciated enough for him to get that shock win. Dude thinks that beating Selcuk Aydin warrants a shot at the current P4P king?! C'mon son.. Why not call out Bradley, or the host of talent at 140? Got guys like Garcia, Mattyhse etc... Instead dude only calls out Floyd, and is now tryna arrange a 147lb fight with the "diet Floyd" Broner...

I know he's tryna raise the profile an get paid, but why not do it the way guys like Floyd had to. Take out the dudes around you first, can't have ONE fight at the weight an expect to get a shot at the champ when you have like no name recognition. Guys like Floyd and Manny can do that, have ONE or no fights in a div an get a championship shot, they bring a lot of money to the table. Guys like the Ghost, he gotta do a lot more to get that type of pull. The Selcuk win was impressive, but one good win doesn't make you an elite fighter, not forgetting that was only Selcuk's 2nd time fighting outside of Europe. So he wasn't exactly "seasoned" himself.

So he beats a relative unknown... on points... Then expects to land a fight with the biggest draw in boxing, tryna claim that dude's a coward if he chooses to not accept the challenge.

Broner should def make him wait, why jump divisions too early and change up ur career plan to accomodate a guy who has less of a name than urself? Plus he'd prob get more credit for beating DeMarco anyway...


he fought selcuk for the mandatory spot for the wbc. i have no problem with him calling out the man who holds the wbc title when he just won the mandatory position against an undefeated fighter two divisions above what he normally fights at.

broner was the one talking shit. he calls broner on it...broner is the one that needs to back it up. while i would thoroughly enjoy watching guerrero/broner....i respect guerrero more, because 1. he actually put himself in the mandatory position to face floyd after he called him out....and 2. he has the balls to actually call him out in the first place.

broner made himself floyds gatekeeper? he wasn't even in the conversation til he started talking shit. guerrero let it be known that he'll fight broner...broner needs to step up and back up his words or stfu and get out the way. it's that simple.

i have zero problem with fighters calling each other out. that's what the sport is about. remember lacy calling out calzaghe? or floyd calling out dlh....or dawson calling out ward....it's what makes the boxing world go round. plenty fighters have called out floyd....he's answered very few. guerrero is a worthy opponent.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 10 2012, 08:59 PM) *
but it's broner that was calling out guerrero's name...not the other way around. don't get me wrong...i think broner has skills...but until he jumps two weight classes to take on an undefeated guy with plenty of ko's the way guerrero just did....i think guerrero is a step above broner in the accomplishment department. in broners case....he shouldn't let his mouth write checks his ass can't cash. looks to me like guerrero is willing to fight him. the next move is broners.

Im just laughing at how Guerrero thinks he has a solid spot at WW because he beat Aydin, still dont understand that. Do you see any top WW even entertaining smack talk from a guy who hasn't even had his first fight at LW?

I mean he was SERIOUSLY entertaining it...having his publicist "conveniently" whipping out his camera to record it..it looked planned to me. I think its safe to say that Robert is just confused at this point of time.

If he's serious about his reign at WW, then he shouldn't even be entertaining Broner, let alone, telling him to come up in weight. Floyd did the shit with JMM, which I didn't completely agree with, but you're talking about two fighters with names and a following.

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 10 2012, 09:14 PM) *
he fought selcuk for the mandatory spot for the wbc. i have no problem with him calling out the man who holds the wbc title when he just won the mandatory position against an undefeated fighter two divisions above what he normally fights at.

broner was the one talking shit. he calls broner on it...broner is the one that needs to back it up. while i would thoroughly enjoy watching guerrero/broner....i respect guerrero more, because 1. he actually put himself in the mandatory position to face floyd after he called him out....and 2. he has the balls to actually call him out in the first place.

broner made himself floyds gatekeeper? he wasn't even in the conversation til he started talking shit. guerrero let it be known that he'll fight broner...broner needs to step up and back up his words or stfu and get out the way. it's that simple.

i have zero problem with fighters calling each other out. that's what the sport is about. remember lacy calling out calzaghe? or floyd calling out dlh....or dawson calling out ward....it's what makes the boxing world go round. plenty fighters have called out floyd....he's answered very few. guerrero is a worthy opponent.

Professor, you're my main man 50 grand, but its safe to say that you're putting way too much stock in Robert Guerrero...you may be one of his few fans. I hate him and Broner equally, and neither have accomplished as much as they think they have.

With that in mind, at least Broner is being reasonable about the guys that he's calling out. Guerrero has made the weight to get a Floyd fight, but his mind hasn't computed the fact that no one knows who he is, and he's yet to have a breakout performance.

It's not because he hasn't been given the chance, it's because he feels that he's too good to take on these guys. Either that, or he feels like they will slow down his journey to big fights. For a guy who has been out of the ring due to injury and his wife's illness over the years...one would have to ask if he's financially comfortable. He obviously is, if he's passing up all of these fights with a false sense of hope for a big fight.

You're right about smaller guys calling out bigger fighters, in regards to Broner calling out Robert, but they actually fought their way up. Im not sure how right I am about this, but I sincerely believe that Broner was just making fun of Guerrero, and Robert made a big deal of it, like he was being called out. Correct me on that part if you will, I could truly be wrong.

Answer this, even though Broner may have called out Guerrero, what is he actually getting in the way of? What big reasonable plans does Robert have pending? Is Adrien getting in the way of Robert twiddling his thumbs and waiting on a Floyd fight that wont happen? That makes no sense. How is he actually getting in the way of anything, if Robert is actually entertaining him...shows us how much Robert has going for himself if he's entertaining a guy who hasn't even fought at LW yet.

Anyhow, this "title" that you speak of, is non-existent. From what I remember, the WBC never did "interim" titles, like other sanctioning bodies. They more than likely just made that shit up for Robert, because they want another Hispanic champion, since Floyd was on his way to jail, and they had no idea of his plans.

Robert would be just as great a fighter, as you believe him to be, and honestly, he is good. He's making a dumb business move right now, and Im wondering why no one is tapping him on the shoulder to tell him that he's way off. A great fighter fights...he doesn't sit around with a made-up title, hoping for a guy who doesn't fight mandatories, to get old overnight and accept his challenge. Just weird to me, and its hard to respect.

He and K-9 are in the same boat. You see how long he waited and begged for a fight, and who did he end up in the ring with? Yep, you got it...a shot Spinks. Who did Guerrero end up in the ring with after all of that crying and whining? An unknown Aydin. Waiting around and calling out guys, doesn't work for everybody. I liked Robert better when he was active, but not so much nowadays. I STILL cant stand Broner, regardless.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 10 2012, 08:01 PM) *
demarco is slow and we just saw how he struggle with linares before he got him late. he's tailor made for broner. that fight doesn't interest me.

guerrero on the other hand has fast and heavy hands. he's a much better match up for broner. broner was the one talking shit to begin with....let's see him back it up.


...he said send me the contract.. I don't understand where he's not backing it up. This dude is over here saying hes worthy of a shot at Floyd and he's worried about a guy who hasn't fought anyone and is two divisions under him?

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 10 2012, 08:14 PM) *
he fought selcuk for the mandatory spot for the wbc. i have no problem with him calling out the man who holds the wbc title when he just won the mandatory position against an undefeated fighter two divisions above what he normally fights at.

broner was the one talking shit. he calls broner on it...broner is the one that needs to back it up. while i would thoroughly enjoy watching guerrero/broner....i respect guerrero more, because 1. he actually put himself in the mandatory position to face floyd after he called him out....and 2. he has the balls to actually call him out in the first place.

broner made himself floyds gatekeeper? he wasn't even in the conversation til he started talking shit. guerrero let it be known that he'll fight broner...broner needs to step up and back up his words or stfu and get out the way. it's that simple.

i have zero problem with fighters calling each other out. that's what the sport is about. remember lacy calling out calzaghe? or floyd calling out dlh....or dawson calling out ward....it's what makes the boxing world go round. plenty fighters have called out floyd....he's answered very few. guerrero is a worthy opponent.

I'm pretty sure every professional boxer wants Floyd it doesn't take balls. It takes two brain cells a bank account and bills to pay to see that an ass kicking or a complete schooling by Floyd could have you paid for life especially in a little place like gilroy lol. Btw, how was aydin a mandatory? I don't think he had ever even fought in the US or against any contender. These sanctions are full of shit

How about focusing on maybe Alexander Bailey, berto, ortiz, Bradley, shit even kell brook!
You say your as good as you are, prove it. You know Floyd ain't fighting your ass because your some bs mandatory lol he'd rather drop the belt and not have to pay the fee for his next fight
mrchitown
Broner and Demarco should put on a good scrap. I'd still like to see Broner and Guerrero at some point in the future though. Guerrero is not going to get the opportunity he thinks he deserves against Floyd or any big money fight. He simply brings nothing to the table
daprofessor
i remember in '03 when i went to see roy fight john ruiz. i was sitting ringside and met plenty of ppl that day. vernon forrest...who was cool as shit and i got a pic with him. max kellerman...he seemed kind of full of himself and i regretted asking him for a pic. i met buddy mcgirt...another dude cool as shit. but the guy i met that day who left the biggest impression on me by far was antonio tarver. i remember asking him...'what's next?' he said...'i'm here to call out roy jones.' ....and i thought he was crazy. the look on my face must have said it...because he smiled like he knew something. i continued the conversation...and i can tell u that he spoke with conviction...and he sort of made me a believer. after roys win...i headed over for the press conference and i was shocked when tarver began to disrupt the event and was calling out roy. i was like...man...this audacity of this dude!!! what makes him think he has a chance against roy!? god bless him...i'll watch him get destroyed. little did i know then. i have to tell u, when they finally fought...i was wrong. tarver showed me what he was made of....and in the rematch...i knew he would win. i didn't think it would be by vicious ko...but wow!!! 'got any excuses tonite roy?' is as classic as it gets!!! i've never heard or seen anything on that level before or since.

so when a guy like guerrero...who all of u think is out of his league, calls out floyd....i get it. all the arguments u make against the fight happening are legit...and i can easily join in and make additional points. but the thing is....i don't see or hear anyone calling out floyd. i mean...i know there are a lot of guys that would like to fight him...but they're not saying it with the same conviction as guerrero. berto almost sounds apologetic. i don't hear the confidence in bradley's voice....and we all know pac really don't want floyd. i seriously doubt martinez ever gets in the ring with floyd...so to me, guerrero wants it...give it to him. what's the worst that can happen? floyd shines on him...gets another pay day and gets work with a southpaw. or...guerrero actually puts up a fight and floyd has to earn another check that he has to bleed for. i guess the point i'm making is...u just never know. look at how many ppl thought cotto would be destroyed by floyd. there were plenty. but there seems to be far more against this fight. that just makes me want to see it more. i doubt guerrero gets it....but the worst case scenario for him....he'll be wearing the wbc strap that floyd once wore. floyds got love for the wbc. say what u will about the sanctioning bodies...we all know they're full of shit....but that strap is valuable.
Franchize
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 11 2012, 03:58 AM) *
i remember in '03 when i went to see roy fight john ruiz. i was sitting ringside and met plenty of ppl that day. vernon forrest...who was cool as shit and i got a pic with him. max kellerman...he seemed kind of full of himself and i regretted asking him for a pic. i met buddy mcgirt...another dude cool as shit. but the guy i met that day who left the biggest impression on me by far was antonio tarver. i remember asking him...'what's next?' he said...'i'm here to call out roy jones.' ....and i thought he was crazy. the look on my face must have said it...because he smiled like he knew something. i continued the conversation...and i can tell u that he spoke with conviction...and he sort of made me a believer. after roys win...i headed over for the press conference and i was shocked when tarver began to disrupt the event and was calling out roy. i was like...man...this audacity of this dude!!! what makes him think he has a chance against roy!? god bless him...i'll watch him get destroyed. little did i know then. i have to tell u, when they finally fought...i was wrong. tarver showed me what he was made of....and in the rematch...i knew he would win. i didn't think it would be by vicious ko...but wow!!! 'got any excuses tonite roy?' is as classic as it gets!!! i've never heard or seen anything on that level before or since.

so when a guy like guerrero...who all of u think is out of his league, calls out floyd....i get it. all the arguments u make against the fight happening are legit...and i can easily join in and make additional points. but the thing is....i don't see or hear anyone calling out floyd. i mean...i know there are a lot of guys that would like to fight him...but they're not saying it with the same conviction as guerrero. berto almost sounds apologetic. i don't hear the confidence in bradley's voice....and we all know pac really don't want floyd. i seriously doubt martinez ever gets in the ring with floyd...so to me, guerrero wants it...give it to him. what's the worst that can happen? floyd shines on him...gets another pay day and gets work with a southpaw. or...guerrero actually puts up a fight and floyd has to earn another check that he has to bleed for. i guess the point i'm making is...u just never know. look at how many ppl thought cotto would be destroyed by floyd. there were plenty. but there seems to be far more against this fight. that just makes me want to see it more. i doubt guerrero gets it....but the worst case scenario for him....he'll be wearing the wbc strap that floyd once wore. floyds got love for the wbc. say what u will about the sanctioning bodies...we all know they're full of shit....but that strap is valuable.


You put a nice spin on it that makes me look at it from another angle. That being said, there's one huge, glaring difference. Roy was running out of opponents. That division was weak. Tarver had some clout because there weren't many people to chose from. There are PLENTY of fighters from 140-147 to fight. It isn't like Guerrero is the main option and Floyd would rather not fight than scrap with him. As I said before, finish your breakfast. Cut your grass before you start pruning trees and trimming bushes. Guerrero is like Jesse Vargas level as far as popularity. Boxing has a totem pole, and he isn't anywhere near the top of it. You can't call Floyd scared and challenge his manhood when you pulled out of a fight with Maidana and didn't even revisit it.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Sep 11 2012, 11:25 AM) *
You put a nice spin on it that makes me look at it from another angle. That being said, there's one huge, glaring difference. Roy was running out of opponents. That division was weak. Tarver had some clout because there weren't many people to chose from. There are PLENTY of fighters from 140-147 to fight. It isn't like Guerrero is the main option and Floyd would rather not fight than scrap with him. As I said before, finish your breakfast. Cut your grass before you start pruning trees and trimming bushes. Guerrero is like Jesse Vargas level as far as popularity. Boxing has a totem pole, and he isn't anywhere near the top of it. You can't call Floyd scared and challenge his manhood when you pulled out of a fight with Maidana and didn't even revisit it.


no spin...just a different perspective. i'll agree....guerrero should take on some other challenges to get the shot....but i like his ambition. guerrero has won more than one title in more than one division. he's headlined a handful of televised shows. to say that he's on the same level as jesse vargas (i had to ask myself, 'who the hell is jesse vargas?' before i remembered. lol) is an exaggeration. i don't think anyone is claiming guerrero as the main option for floyd...and as for the maidana fight...he pulled out because of the injury. i can't fault him for opting to fight for a mandatory spot rather than facing maidana... but again...who at 140-147 is calling out floyd? a closed mouth don't get fed.

Franchize
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 11 2012, 01:32 PM) *
no spin...just a different perspective. i'll agree....guerrero should take on some other challenges to get the shot....but i like his ambition. guerrero has won more than one title in more than one division. he's headlined a handful of televised shows. to say that he's on the same level as jesse vargas (i had to ask myself, 'who the hell is jesse vargas?' before i remembered. lol) is an exaggeration. i don't think anyone is claiming guerrero as the main option for floyd...and as for the maidana fight...he pulled out because of the injury. i can't fault him for opting to fight for a mandatory spot rather than facing maidana... but again...who at 140-147 is calling out floyd? a closed mouth don't get fed.


When I said nice spin...that's what I meant...a different perspective.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Sep 11 2012, 01:33 PM) *
When I said nice spin...that's what I meant...a different perspective.


when i hear the word spin...i think fox news. when i think fox news...i think liars. laugh.gif
flazi
you definitely gave me a different view point professor. your knowledge of the game never ceases to amaze me. I also believe though that guerrero has almost 0 chance of beating floyd. his power at 47 is average. Still i love the guy, his story and what he has dealt with so far in his life. its hard seeing a loved one going thru cancer. nothing wrong with calling floyd out, hell floyd might even consider it. either way he makes noise and squeaky wheels get oiled.
daprofessor
QUOTE (flazi @ Sep 11 2012, 02:13 PM) *
you definitely gave me a different view point professor. your knowledge of the game never ceases to amaze me. I also believe though that guerrero has almost 0 chance of beating floyd. his power at 47 is average. Still i love the guy, his story and what he has dealt with so far in his life. its hard seeing a loved one going thru cancer. nothing wrong with calling floyd out, hell floyd might even consider it. either way he makes noise and squeaky wheels get oiled.


thanks. i wouldn't say he has zero chance...but i like his chances better than ortiz'. i know that's not saying much... laugh.gif
mrchitown
Only thing I can give Guerrero is that he's game. But he's delusional, something Tarver was not when he called out RJJ. I like Guerrero but I've never really been sold on him as the type of fighter he views himself as. Tarver was confident and believed in himself when he called out and went up against RJJ. To me Guerrero is an opportunist, I feel bad for his wife and he has a tremendous story but my auntie got cancer, should I call out Floyd lol.

My issue with him is he was talking all this big shit until he had that patch of bad luck and his wife got ill, not to be insensitive but everybody got a story. It's someone boxing right now with a better "story" then his, should he get a big fight?He should choose another route to do his bidding for a big fight because I get the feeling it's falling on deaf ears. His power is crap at 147 and I don't think he'd last against a mid tier WW

In the end it's all subjective but he doesn't deserve a big fight at all. Not with Floyd, Cotto, Manny, nobody...not until he starts beating decent opposition.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 11 2012, 03:39 PM) *
Only thing I can give Guerrero is that he's game. But he's delusional, something Tarver was not when he called out RJJ. I like Guerrero but I've never really been sold on him as the type of fighter he views himself as. Tarver was confident and believed in himself when he called out and went up against RJJ. To me Guerrero is an opportunist, I feel bad for his wife and he has a tremendous story but my auntie got cancer, should I call out Floyd lol.

My issue with him is he was talking all this big shit until he had that patch of bad luck and his wife got ill, not to be insensitive but everybody got a story. It's someone boxing right now with a better "story" then his, should he get a big fight?He should choose another route to do his bidding for a big fight because I get the feeling it's falling on deaf ears. His power is crap at 147 and I don't think he'd last against a mid tier WW

In the end it's all subjective but he doesn't deserve a big fight at all. Not with Floyd, Cotto, Manny, nobody...not until he starts beating decent opposition.


tarver was more than delusional according to many at the time. i can recall merchant and several others sounding very cynical in response to him calling roy out. no one gave him a chance or thought he could win.

as for guerrero...he really didn't talk big before his wife was sick. he didn't call anyone out before that i can recall. i remember hearing about him sparring with pac and holding his own. i think the injury, combined with his wife's illness made him realize it's now or never so that's when he started trying to talk his way into the fight with floyd. i don't necessarily believe he's using his wife's story to get ahead either. that's the network that's selling that story to create ratings.
flazi
they thought tarver had no shot cause he got outboxed easily by harding. He avenged that loss by ko though. left hand was vicious.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 11 2012, 03:19 PM) *
tarver was more than delusional according to many at the time. i can recall merchant and several others sounding very cynical in response to him calling roy out. no one gave him a chance or thought he could win.

as for guerrero...he really didn't talk big before his wife was sick. he didn't call anyone out before that i can recall. i remember hearing about him sparring with pac and holding his own. i think the injury, combined with his wife's illness made him realize it's now or never so that's when he started trying to talk his way into the fight with floyd. i don't necessarily believe he's using his wife's story to get ahead either. that's the network that's selling that story to create ratings.


I think Merchant and the gang thought this due to this aura of invincibility that was around Roy at the time, but looking back on it, the writing was on the wall for him to get beat. His run at 175 was never that impressive to me

And that's what I have a problem with, Guerrero is a solid fighter. I like watching him fight, just not at 147. I think the networks are the reason these fighters act the way they do, every fighters goal is to get on TV, then onto ESPN or one of those main event cards, then onto HBO or Showtime and the end goal is PPV. The problem is the 2 big networks pic and choose who they air and who they want to puush and it's usually some "sensational" story behind them

Fighters like Guerrero should get dates due to skill
Franchize

Likewise lol Fox is the worst. Propaganda palace.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 11 2012, 10:05 PM) *
I think Merchant and the gang thought this due to this aura of invincibility that was around Roy at the time, but looking back on it, the writing was on the wall for him to get beat. His run at 175 was never that impressive to me

And that's what I have a problem with, Guerrero is a solid fighter. I like watching him fight, just not at 147. I think the networks are the reason these fighters act the way they do, every fighters goal is to get on TV, then onto ESPN or one of those main event cards, then onto HBO or Showtime and the end goal is PPV. The problem is the 2 big networks pic and choose who they air and who they want to puush and it's usually some "sensational" story behind them

Fighters like Guerrero should get dates due to skill


i don't think guerrero is where he is because of his back story. he has skill. he can fight. he's right where he needs to be...a headliner on showtime. like i said before...i think he needs a big win or two to get him in line to face floyd...but i have no problem with him calling out floyd right now.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 12 2012, 03:04 PM) *
i don't think guerrero is where he is because of his back story. he has skill. he can fight. he's right where he needs to be...a headliner on showtime. like i said before...i think he needs a big win or two to get him in line to face floyd...but i have no problem with him calling out floyd right now.


Definitely not but he was pushed as that headliner in Showtime for his big mouth as in calling out Floyd and his wife's unfortunate situation

If not for that, He'd be on ShoBox instead of Showtime Championship Boxing
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 12 2012, 10:13 PM) *
Definitely not but he was pushed as that headliner in Showtime for his big mouth as in calling out Floyd and his wife's unfortunate situation

If not for that, He'd be on ShoBox instead of Showtime Championship Boxing


agree to disagree on that one.

i think it was a much bigger deal that he jumped 2 weight classes to take on an undefeated contender. it's a rare feat worthy of respect imo.
Hotsauce
l like this fight
daprofessor
the more i think about it...broner by ko. broner can punch...and he's way to fast for demarco. he'll make easy work of demarco.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 13 2012, 03:07 PM) *
agree to disagree on that one.

i think it was a much bigger deal that he jumped 2 weight classes to take on an undefeated contender. it's a rare feat worthy of respect imo.


I think he'll get Broner before he gets Floyd, and we'll be saying the same thing about his jump up in weight classes and the ass whopping he's going to put on Guerrero
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 14 2012, 02:18 PM) *
the more i think about it...broner by ko. broner can punch...and he's way to fast for demarco. he'll make easy work of demarco.


True, Demarco looked so good in his win last weekend that he almost has no choice but to fight Broner next. I think Broner makes short work of him
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 14 2012, 02:37 PM) *
I think he'll get Broner before he gets Floyd, and we'll be saying the same thing about his jump up in weight classes and the ass whopping he's going to put on Guerrero


not really when u consider that guerrero fought most of his career at 130. now if he beats a natural 147lb fighter...then yes.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 14 2012, 05:52 PM) *
not really when u consider that guerrero fought most of his career at 130. now if he beats a natural 147lb fighter...then yes.


When it's all said and done, I think we'll be talking more about Broner then Robert. I like him and he's a hard nosed fighter but Broner just has that "it" factor inside and outside the ring. Guerrero doesn't. Special talent special skill, that's Broner. He does alot of a-hole stuff but that's his choice. It doesn't take away from his ability and he's ahead of Robert in that dept. If they fought I think due to Broner's age and his activity he'd give the ghost fits.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 14 2012, 09:19 PM) *
When it's all said and done, I think we'll be talking more about Broner then Robert. I like him and he's a hard nosed fighter but Broner just has that "it" factor inside and outside the ring. Guerrero doesn't. Special talent special skill, that's Broner. He does alot of a-hole stuff but that's his choice. It doesn't take away from his ability and he's ahead of Robert in that dept. If they fought I think due to Broner's age and his activity he'd give the ghost fits.


no doubt....broner's skill is undeniable. demarco will be a show case bout for him. guerrero would be a fight.
Cshel86
What I dont understand about the Broner Fan Logic is:

They'll go right along with what he says about his opponents being "bums" and not on his level, but yet, he beats the guys and people crown him the next big superstar.

Im sure we all agree that its easy to look good against a lesser, but how much credit can he get for beating bums? Sure cant be one of the greats at that pace. Just my opinion though.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 9 2012, 07:49 PM) *
What I dont understand about the Broner Fan Logic is:

They'll go right along with what he says about his opponents being "bums" and not on his level, but yet, he beats the guys and people crown him the next big superstar.

Im sure we all agree that its easy to look good against a lesser, but how much credit can he get for beating bums? Sure cant be one of the greats at that pace. Just my opinion though.


broner has taken floyds blueprint and will ride it til the wheels fall off.

here's the forumula. discredit the opponent....once u beat him, praise him and say..."it was all part of selling the fight." all will be forgiven.

demarco is no bum and a ko win over him will be very impressive. hell....a win would be impressive. he's no slouch. with that being said...i'm thinking broner is going to stop demarco. one thing is for sure...demarco will go out on his shield. he ain't coming to lose.
BoxingFan86
We all know DeMarco is no bum, but the real question, is... Will he be able to break through Broner's defense? Personally, I think that'll be the difference in the fight.
Hotsauce
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 11 2012, 01:20 PM) *
broner has taken floyds blueprint and will ride it til the wheels fall off.

here's the forumula. discredit the opponent....once u beat him, praise him and say..."it was all part of selling the fight." all will be forgiven.

demarco is no bum and a ko win over him will be very impressive. hell....a win would be impressive. he's no slouch. with that being said...i'm thinking broner is going to stop demarco. one thing is for sure...demarco will go out on his shield. he ain't coming to lose.



u ain't lying and i can see his critics saying he hasn't fought anybody
checkleft
QUOTE (BoxingFan86 @ Oct 21 2012, 11:17 AM) *
We all know DeMarco is no bum, but the real question, is... Will he be able to break through Broner's defense? Personally, I think that'll be the difference in the fight.

Demarco is a quality fighter a champion and a extremely strong puncher. This would be a quality win for broner especially for his first fight going up in weight.
BoxingFan86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 21 2012, 03:58 PM) *
Demarco is a quality fighter a champion and a extremely strong puncher. This would be a quality win for broner especially for his first fight going up in weight.

I agree, that's why I assume this fight will be a steppin' stone for Broner. I'm just curious to see how DeMarco will handle Broner's defense. Both fighters have their advantages and disadvantages comin' into this fight.
daprofessor
after giving this more consideration....i think demarco poses a bigger risk than i initially thought. he's very tall...and he's southpaw. he's dealt with speed and aggression (for the most part) from guys like valero and linares. he was stopped by valero who we know was a pretty big puncher...but he hung with him most of the way and he pulled out the victory late against linares. the only southpaw i've seen broner in with was ponce deleon who is a much smaller guy...and way slow, but he can crack. i stopped watching after five rounds...but i was told broner got all he could handle in the later rounds and many thought he lost to ponce deleon. this is going to be a pretty damn good fight. the more i think about it...the more excited i get.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 25 2012, 09:55 PM) *
after giving this more consideration....i think demarco poses a bigger risk than i initially thought. he's very tall...and he's southpaw. he's dealt with speed and aggression (for the most part) from guys like valero and linares. he was stopped by valero who we know was a pretty big puncher...but he hung with him most of the way and he pulled out the victory late against linares. the only southpaw i've seen broner in with was ponce deleon who is a much smaller guy...and way slow, but he can crack. i stopped watching after five rounds...but i was told broner got all he could handle in the later rounds and many thought he lost to ponce deleon. this is going to be a pretty damn good fight. the more i think about it...the more excited i get.

Couldn't agree with you more. With a puncher like demarco this becomes interesting, I think broners defence will be the difference but demarco can definitely hurt broner. But I'm curious to see how strong broner looks at 135
flazi
Demarco is not that much of a puncher. good power not great. it will be interesting but if broner is who they say he is then it will be an somewhat easy fight for him. Valero had his way with demarco and if linares had something resembling a chin and stamina he would have got through with a UD. demarco is too easily hit. I have seen Demarco live a few times and the only thing that impresses me is his never give up attitude.
daprofessor
QUOTE (flazi @ Oct 26 2012, 12:45 PM) *
Demarco is not that much of a puncher. good power not great. it will be interesting but if broner is who they say he is then it will be an somewhat easy fight for him. Valero had his way with demarco and if linares had something resembling a chin and stamina he would have got through with a UD. demarco is too easily hit. I have seen Demarco live a few times and the only thing that impresses me is his never give up attitude.


one thing is for sure....he isn't going out like escobedo. i expect him to lay it all on the line.
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