I know. God forgive me.

I saw the picture.. idk if julio can take that sort of punishment again. That was a pretty nasty visual, and who knows how much worse it could have been if Martinez hand wasnt supposedly hurt in the 4th. I did see him hurt chavez a few times. But that was bad, if sergio didn't choose to exchange the fight would have been even more one sided and I doubt the kd happens. Can't believe a 37 yr old threw nearly a thousand punches

Yup.

It's posted. To make it easier for you I've even added a link.

Chavez Jr. after he "wasn't" beaten up...

there were plenty of ppl i know that thought chavez was a fraud before this fight...and after withstanding all of what martinez dished for 11 and half rounds...to have him drop martinez the way he did....they have a new found respect for him. the kid has something....and it's not just his size or ability to take a punch. i think it's his will to win. he almost pulled that one out.

martinez has options...but he's not going to make the kind of money with them that he will on a rematch. both chavez and martinez will avoid golovkin. he's the next star of the division if he can get the fights.

sounds very possible.

Did Martinez dominate? Yes
Did he bust Chavez up? Yes
Did Martinez Win 11 rounds? Yes
Did Martinez almost get ko'd in the 12th? Yes
Does the 12th round warrant a rematch? Yes

Chavez didn't do shit the whole fight until the end, but people are acting like Sergio let him knock him silly. Almost reminds me of the way people were saying Floyd could beaten cotto easy if he just boxed. It's all BS, Sergio got caught and almost gave Chavez the biggest comeback victory we have seen in years.

thank u.

I hope we get the rematch (although if I was calling the shots, I'd probably pass, because I really think that Chavez Jr. still has a long way to go).

If Chavez was his own worst enemy because he was inactive, then he should sort that out in the rematch.

I'm definitely putting money on 'Beatdown II.' Beg, borrow, or steal, I'm betting on Martinez.

It's not that Martinez let anyone do anything. I think like other people have mentioned Martinez was his own enemy, he decided to exchange when he could easily not have, and he was clearly gassed and intent on trying to stop chavez (which he almost accomplished according to roach). He threw over 900 punches forced the action and I think he definitely gained chavez respect with his punching power and thats what led to chavez not letting his hands go because at many points in the fight Martinez was literally standing in front of him with his hands down. Idk if it warrants a rematch but I will be happy if Martinez gets another pay day as long as he stays the hell away from Texas!!!!

True. Slight correction and maybe I misunderstood your post, I said that "if Chavez was his own enemy."
I said that because one argument is that since Chavez caught Martinez in the 12th then if he had just let his hands go earlier then he would've had that sort of success earlier. You addressed that in your post by noting that Chavez wasn't punching as much because he didn't want to get hit by Martinez because he had felt his power and was in awe of his speed. Also Martinez was probably pretty tired in the 12th and obviously less mobile, which was probably part of JCC Jr. and Freddie Roach's strategy i.e. wait until he's tired (yeah I know, rocket science..).

A picture is worth a thousand words

I don't think 2 KD's warrant a rematch, if this wasn't Chavez jr wouldn't none of these people masquerading as fans be calling for a rematch. If I play a one on one game against Lebron and we playing to 11, it's 10-0, but I finally score 1 pt then another and then Lebron wins 11-2, I deserve a rematch? GTFOH, that's the worse logic possible lol

Fighters like Lara, Molina, etc...deserve rematches, Chavez jr doesn't. If I was Dibella and Martinez I'd make the kid sweat, look how long it took them to get him in the ring to fight. All that gibberish Arum and them was talking, the shoes on the other foot now. I want to see a rematch but not because of the 12th rd. I want to see it because I want to see what adjustments each fighter will make, and because Martinez has nowhere else to go for a $ fight.

Question though, if Chavez jr would've scored the KO..how many would be screaming for a rematch?

You can't compare basketball to boxing, in boxing it only takes one mistake to lose it all even if u are dominating all night long. If Chavez had won by KO in the last round that would have been a greater reason for the rematch.

There was only 1 kd bro..

your basketball analogy is way off! thing about boxing...1pt (punch) can end it...and chavez almost did. sure...martinez did dominate and i think had he not been dropped in that last round i would have zero interest in a rematch. but since he was...i'm interested.

if chavez scored the ko...i'd still be interested in the rematch because i would have thought about martinez almost pitching a shutout and making that last minute mistake. i'd want to see if he could do it again...minus the mistake.

either way...no one sounded more enthusiastic about the rematch than lou dibella himself. it was one of the first things he said at the press conference.

while i like guys like lara and molina...(i actually thought molina beat chavez twice...and he beat lara imo) both of those fights would be steps backwards for martinez. i guarantee u those two aren't even on the radar for martinez. now canelo/martinez....that's a fight i'd love to see.

1. I believe it's the rounds that the knockdowns were scored. Had those knockdowns occurred in the early or mid rounds, then I wouldn't even want to see a rematch. Those 12th round knockdowns heightened the storyline of the fight, and made it seem as if Juio was either playing possum (which I doubt), or he actually had Sergio's number (which could also be speculated).

2. I think everybody would be asking for a rematch, had that happened.

I used the comparison with basketball in terms of Lebron who's popular just as JCC jr is, the fact remains that a knockdown doesn't warrant a rematch. And mistakes are mistakes, in ANY sport. Don't act like in an NBA finals game that ONE mistake won't decide or could very well decide the outcome. I.E. the 09 finals with the Lakers-Celtics

I don't believe too many people would be screaming for a rematch if junior had of pulled it out. I anticipate a rematch once Martinez heals up obviously and the same thing will happen again, he might even stop Chavez jr

no it's not, see the ex. above. And tell that to Paul Pierce and Garnett and see what kind of response you get lol. Sports are sports and mistakes are mistakes period. The only difference is your getting punches thrown at you. The fact of the matter is if that knockdown never occurred nobody would be "screaming" rematch, I'm sure a few would say it and call for it but not to the extent that it is now.

Dibella should be calling for it, where else is he going to maneuver Martinez. I've read the interviews he's been giving and he seems to favor the rematch, but he also called out Canelo and GB last night too. And I didn't mean Lara/Molina against Martinez..I meant they should've received rematches against P williams and Kirkland respectively in their bouts against them, there was minimal outcry in those fights...why is that? Could it be because the victors of those fights were more known to the boxing public? I think so. Canelo vs Martinez, I'd actually pay the ppv to see that

My mistake folks...it was only one knockdown in the 12th. Sorry, I was there live and the Mexicans forced me to believe it was 2, rather than one. No seriously, they were hyped (so was I), and from where I was sitting, we were still celebrating the 1st one. LOL

1. I agree, I thought Martinez was just going to hang back in the 12th, I had an oh shit look when Chavez jr knocked him down. I'd be lying if I said I didn't think we were seeing shades of Chavez sr/M. Taylor. Especially when Sergio got up and decided to trade a bit with him

2. LOL maybe but unfortunately we'll never know. It does look like their headed for a rematch and that would be huge for both fighters but I still hate the Texas venue. I'm not into conspiracy theories and all but the Texas athletic commission is along the same criminal lines as the mob

Yea Haha I was like Wtf did I miss one or something??

Looks like the rematch probably won't happen, Martinez came out and said he doesnt want to fight in Texas. He said he would rather pursue a fight with cotto

Really? Where did you read it at Check??

That's crazy that he came out and said that but you can't blame for not wanting to fight in Texas, their commission there is atrocious. A Cotto bout would be interesting but what's even more interesting is will Cotto agree to face him

An interview in boxing scene. He basically said chavez seems to get away with way too much shit in Texas and he would rather pursue a cotto fight. I think cotto could give him a lot of trouble, sergio has problems with boxers with good jabs

Kudos to Sergio for not wanting to fight in Texas! I think he read the boards!!!! I am OK with a Chavez rematch, but not in Texas.

Jack

1. I agree. At the time, I couldn't agree with the Chavez/Taylor comparison...I couldn't even tell you what was going through my head when that shit happened live. Seriously, I couldn't. LOL. When I went back and watched it, I peeped the comparison, and the commentators called it earlier in the fight.

Was I the only one that laughed like shit, at RJJ's reaction in the 12th round when Sergio went down??? "Ohhhhh!!! Goodness! There it go!"

2. I think a rematch may be looking at bit slim. That would mean that Arum would STILL want his fighter to make the larger of the purse, hence why he's already bringing up this Texas bullshit. Sounds like Sergio doesn't want to do it in Texas, but the fact that he even considered a rematch, could possibly mean that he can get talked into fighting somewhere else. DiBella may actually bend to Bob's will, in order to be involved in another huge fight...besides, who else is there at MW, that will bring Sergio money? Chavez can make some decent fights at MW, cant say the same for good ol' Sergio.


Man, it was those damn 24oz Tecate's that were $7. I think it's nasty beer, but shit, the price couldn't be argued with. At the same time, when Sergio hit the canvas the second time (which looked like a knockdown), Mexicans were going CRAZY, so it was possible that a phantom 10-count was in progress. LOL

Yeah its nice to hear sergio take a stand. There's a lot of momentum going right now for a rematch but hes doing the right thing by taking a step back and looking at the details instead of rushing into it.

$7 tecates? That's a bargain bro, at a fight like that I would expect some crack prices for beer or something. No wonder you saw two knockdowns though that's like the strongest Mexican beer Haha

I need that rematch, i need the money its going to make me

i guess what i meant to say was that in boxing (as we all know) 1 punch can end it all. that's what makes it different from most sports.

i'm thinking gbp is going to protect their investment so martinez isn't getting canelo anytime soon. i agree...lara and molina deserved rematches.

let's not forget...one of dibella's other fighters (malignaggi) got the shaft in texas...so they're very familiar with texas' bullshit. good for them...but i get the feeling they're just trying to find more leverage($) but the fight will be made. i wouldn't be shocked if it happens in texas...with some guarantees from the bob father.

I think it would be a tough fight for Sergio as well, he won't take many rounds off like JCC jr did, he'll start banging those hooks to the body and that's what makes me think Cotto has a chance to win this fight

That's probably what Roy says to himself when he gets KTFO lmao

True, Chavez jr's name will keep him relevant and in big fights, he could fight a Pirog Golovkin (i think they'll stay away from him), even Quillin if Quillin wins the WBO belt next month, Martinez looks like he got the career defining win without reaping the benefits

They won't serve Canelo up like that, GB knows what will happen, I think Martinez beats him at 154 a catch weight or MW

That photo of JCC Jr.'s a bit old. I can send you a new one if you'd like.

Just saw pictures of his hands, i don't think hes bullshitting lol those things are redddd

Whered you see them at?

Chicago Boxing News · 3,285 likethis 12 minutes ago · @maravillabox, @jcchavezjr1 , The medical tests have revealed Julio Chavez Jr. suffering "malar bone fracture (cheekbone) and orbit" , which is going to prevent the coming months to continue training and will likely need surgery in the coming days.

Quote: The malar bone is located at the level of the cheek and that makes it prominent cheekbone. Also part of the floor and lateral wallof theorbit, which is the cavity that holds and protects the eyeball. At fracture, can cause a flattening of the cheek, limited mouth opening, and if they commit the orbital walls can produce drop eyeball double vision and commitment of the muscles that move the eye. Sometimes these symptoms are masked by post-traumatic inflammation and only become apparent a few days later when the swelling down. These symptoms should be treated surgically to avoid leaving important functional and aesthetic sequelae.

both guys are going to have surgery

chavez was blocking punches with his face! fucked sergios hands all up!!!

Seriously though, this is about as complicated as Julio's competition will be for quite a while at 160. Who else fights like Sergio at MW? There are few that fight like him at 168 as well.

His fists look like turnips lmaoooo

i think the rematch is going to happen. it's both guys biggest pay day...sergio has leverage because he won...but knowing bob and dibella...martinez will end up with the short end of the stick. don't be surprised if the rematch happens in texas with jcc sr as the ref and jr's brother and friends as the judges.

as for the 400k ppv's....it's a step up from jr's usual 50k and martinez has never been on ppv so...it's a success. u can't measure these guys to floyd or pac.