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BrutUalBK
I read the article on the home page here and Pac is suggesting that he took the JMM fight because Bradley is too easy for him and then he goes on to state that he wasn't going in on him 100%.

I think this is a load of garbage and that he knows that Tim beats him more obviously the 2nd time around as long as his ankles are good, and claiming he wasn't going 100% is pure garbage-anyone who saw that fight would agree that he just looked like the same old Pac he's always been.

What are your thoughts??
boxingloner
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Sep 19 2012, 08:43 AM) *
I read the article on the home page here and Pac is suggesting that he took the JMM fight because Bradley is too easy for him and then he goes on to state that he wasn't going in on him 100%.

I think this is a load of garbage and that he knows that Tim beats him more obviously the 2nd time around as long as his ankles are good, and claiming he wasn't going 100% is pure garbage-anyone who saw that fight would agree that he just looked like the same old Pac he's always been.

What are your thoughts??

Well Pacquiao's excuse for bypassing the Bradley rematch should be no big deal to ya'll here at Fighthype as you've heard that same excuse from Floyd when he's avoided fighters in the past. Some of you can be real tools, as you will criticize someone for doing something that you gave someone else a pass on for doing the same thing. LOL
daprofessor
QUOTE (boxingloner @ Sep 19 2012, 11:41 AM) *
Well Pacquiao's excuse for bypassing the Bradley rematch should be no big deal to ya'll here at Fighthype as you've heard that same excuse from Floyd when he's avoided fighters in the past. Some of you can be real tools, as you will criticize someone for doing something that you gave someone else a pass on for doing the same thing. LOL


difference being...bradley beat pac. he should want to avenge his loss. when ppl questioned floyds win over castillo...floyd came back a few months later and erased all doubt.

the only tool here is you.
leonthegee
QUOTE (boxingloner @ Sep 19 2012, 09:41 AM) *
Well Pacquiao's excuse for bypassing the Bradley rematch should be no big deal to ya'll here at Fighthype as you've heard that same excuse from Floyd when he's avoided fighters in the past. Some of you can be real tools, as you will criticize someone for doing something that you gave someone else a pass on for doing the same thing. LOL


Bradley doesnt bring in PPV numbers. Its strickly business. Mannys numbers with Bradley dropped to 700,000, which really means 500,000 coming from Arum, and Manny cant afford to do those numbers again. Same as Floyd has done in the past. The average boxing troll would call that a duck but their not the ones going through camp and collecting them checks. Its easy for you to say fight this or that guy but why fight when the moneys not right? Would you quit you $20.00 an hr job to go work for $10.00? Hell no you would so why do you expect boxers to do the same thing.
Marcus
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Sep 19 2012, 01:31 PM) *
Bradley doesnt bring in PPV numbers. Its strickly business. Mannys numbers with Bradley dropped to 700,000, which really means 500,000 coming from Arum, and Manny cant afford to do those numbers again. Same as Floyd has done in the past. The average boxing troll would call that a duck but their not the ones going through camp and collecting them checks. Its easy for you to say fight this or that guy but why fight when the moneys not right? Would you quit you $20.00 an hr job to go work for $10.00? Hell no you would so why do you expect boxers to do the same thing.


Couldn't have been said any better. Especially at the decline of a boxing career. You want to rape as many pockets as you possibly can.
boxingloner
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 19 2012, 10:08 AM) *
difference being...bradley beat pac. he should want to avenge his loss. when ppl questioned floyds win over castillo...floyd came back a few months later and erased all doubt.

the only tool here is you.

Well 99% of the boxing world knows that pacquiao really won that fight. So just because that 1% thinks he lost means he should do a rematch ASAP? I know that all losses should be avenged and i know they will fight eventually but right now pacquiao vs Marquez is a better fight ands needs more closure.

Anyways all i was originally saying is that people will criticize pacquiao for doing or saying something but give others passes for that same stuff.

checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 19 2012, 01:08 PM) *
difference being...bradley beat pac. he should want to avenge his loss. when ppl questioned floyds win over castillo...floyd came back a few months later and erased all doubt.

the only tool here is you.

On point
daprofessor
QUOTE (boxingloner @ Sep 19 2012, 01:35 PM) *
Well 99% of the boxing world knows that pacquiao really won that fight. So just because that 1% thinks he lost means he should do a rematch ASAP? I know that all losses should be avenged and i know they will fight eventually but right now pacquiao vs Marquez is a better fight ands needs more closure.

Anyways all i was originally saying is that people will criticize pacquiao for doing or saying something but give others passes for that same stuff.


if by the 1% u mean the judges and the ppl that were actually watching the fight...and not just pacquiao...i agree. laugh.gif

thing is...i don't think the numbers are going to be that much different than they were for bradley. pac lost that fight against marquez...and that's why his numbers declined. they are going to continue to decline once he loses this fight legitimately. his days are numbered and his highest paydays are behind him. i don't believe arum ever had the intent of letting pac fight floyd....at this point arum is trying to wring what's left of pac dry. the only criticism i have of pac is that he should have been a lot more vocal about making certain fights. as for his financial situation...he has no one to blame but himself when it's all said and done. he's a good guy at the core and he's given so much to boxing...it's a shame he's dealing with a blood sucker like arum who is going to suck him dry.

the money cannot last when pac has....

2 promoters... top rank and golden boy...

2 trainers....freddie roach and buboy

2 conditioning coaches....alex ariza and the filipino dude...

multiple advisors....gacal, koncz..etc..

ppl talk about his legal dealings with floyd...but lets not forget the accounting firm he hired (and bob fired) to help him who are now suing him.

his entourage....does he really need all those ppl to do road work?


BigFightFan
QUOTE (boxingloner @ Sep 19 2012, 01:35 PM) *
Well 99% of the boxing world knows that pacquiao really won that fight. So just because that 1% thinks he lost means he should do a rematch ASAP? I know that all losses should be avenged and i know they will fight eventually but right now pacquiao vs Marquez is a better fight ands needs more closure.

Anyways all i was originally saying is that people will criticize pacquiao for doing or saying something but give others passes for that same stuff.

Usually when a decision is controversial a rematch occurs immediately. Pacquiao went with Marquez for the higher purse that Top Rank would offer. He didn't pass over Bradley because he felt he beat him, it was the money. Also the dangling carrot over his head(Mayweather) played a factor as well
mrchitown
At lest Manny is learning to make good excuses, I see he's been paying attention to arum after all hahaha
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 19 2012, 12:08 PM) *
difference being...bradley beat pac. he should want to avenge his loss. when ppl questioned floyds win over castillo...floyd came back a few months later and erased all doubt.

the only tool here is you.



LOL, he better be glad you got to him before I did but you're right Poofy
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Sep 19 2012, 12:31 PM) *
Bradley doesnt bring in PPV numbers. Its strickly business. Mannys numbers with Bradley dropped to 700,000, which really means 500,000 coming from Arum, and Manny cant afford to do those numbers again. Same as Floyd has done in the past. The average boxing troll would call that a duck but their not the ones going through camp and collecting them checks. Its easy for you to say fight this or that guy but why fight when the moneys not right? Would you quit you $20.00 an hr job to go work for $10.00? Hell no you would so why do you expect boxers to do the same thing.



This is no more than a smokescreen excuse for Pac not to fight Brad, how is it that when they initially fought that Brad was good enough then and not even half as well known as he is now due to the supposed controversial scoring but all of a sudden he's a nobody for PPV???

Pac is supposed to be the big draw anyway, so why is everyone expecting him to have a big named opponent to do big PPV numbers? I tell you all one thing though, Arum does such a great job in fooling Pac's fans with this talk that he's got them playing the role of a mockingbird.<<<Pete and Re-pete, that's what we get with Arum and then Pac's fans saying the same crap.

checkleft
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Sep 20 2012, 10:39 PM) *
This is no more than a smokescreen excuse for Pac not to fight Brad, how is it that when they initially fought that Brad was good enough then and not even half as well known as he is now due to the supposed controversial scoring but all of a sudden he's a nobody for PPV???

Pac is supposed to be the big draw anyway, so why is everyone expecting him to have a big named opponent to do big PPV numbers? I tell you all one thing though, Arum does such a great job in fooling Pac's fans with this talk that he's got them playing the role of a mockingbird.<<<Pete and Re-pete, that's what we get with Arum and then Pac's fans saying the same crap.

^^ that is how its done
Hotsauce
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Sep 19 2012, 05:32 PM) *
Usually when a decision is controversial a rematch occurs immediately. Pacquiao went with Marquez for the higher purse that Top Rank would offer. He didn't pass over Bradley because he felt he beat him, it was the money. Also the dangling carrot over his head(Mayweather) played a factor as well



this

we might see a 5th fight
darroy
i do agree money is a factor in this selection. but i just think it's funny. no one with common sense thinks bradley was even close to winning the fight. marquez gives manny more probs than anyone else he's faced...people for some reason say manny's ducked marquez whom he's fought 3x's...now he's taking on a tougher fight and he may possibly lose (officially)and people are now critical of this choice over bradley? i guarantee you had pac chose bradley the same people criticizing pac/marquez 4 would then say he picked the easier fight and is ducking marquez because marquez gives him sooo many problems.
checkleft
QUOTE (darroy @ Sep 21 2012, 06:32 PM) *
i do agree money is a factor in this selection. but i just think it's funny. no one with common sense thinks bradley was even close to winning the fight. marquez gives manny more probs than anyone else he's faced...people for some reason say manny's ducked marquez whom he's fought 3x's...now he's taking on a tougher fight and he may possibly lose (officially)and people are now critical of this choice over bradley? i guarantee you had pac chose bradley the same people criticizing pac/marquez 4 would then say he picked the easier fight and is ducking marquez because marquez gives him sooo many problems.

Personally I didn't want the marquez fight because I thought he clearly (close or not) won the fight and they still didn't give him the W. I don't see the point in fighting a guy you think you clearly beat 2 out of three fights a 4th time when you just lost a fight (his first loss in a long time) and you don't want to redeem it even though you think its an easy fight.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (darroy @ Sep 21 2012, 06:32 PM) *
i do agree money is a factor in this selection. but i just think it's funny. no one with common sense thinks bradley was even close to winning the fight. marquez gives manny more probs than anyone else he's faced...people for some reason say manny's ducked marquez whom he's fought 3x's...now he's taking on a tougher fight and he may possibly lose (officially)and people are now critical of this choice over bradley? i guarantee you had pac chose bradley the same people criticizing pac/marquez 4 would then say he picked the easier fight and is ducking marquez because marquez gives him sooo many problems.

"No one with common sense?" Except for the judges.

Judging a boxing match is subjective, but I'm pretty fed up with people like you acting as if the judges who had the authority to judge a very high profile boxing match should somehow defer to you and the rest of your mob.

I said it before as Bradley was narrowly beating your guy and I'll say it again. Close boxing match, could've gone either way, but it went Bradley's way and yet the supposed warrior, Pacquaio, won't avenge the loss.

I'm glad that you're a loyal fan of Manny Pacquaio, but your commitment to the sport that made Manny Pacquaio is nonexistent.

Boxing will continue after Pacquaio retires and to be frank I hope he retires after Marquez and focuses on his "legendary" humanitarian efforts. I'm sick of the illusion that is Manny Pacquaio and the dumbing down effect that everything surrounding him has had on my beloved Sweet Science.
darroy
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Sep 22 2012, 11:14 AM) *
"No one with common sense?" Except for the judges.

Judging a boxing match is subjective, but I'm pretty fed up with people like you acting as if the judges who had the authority to judge a very high profile boxing match should somehow defer to you and the rest of your mob.

I said it before as Bradley was narrowly beating your guy and I'll say it again. Close boxing match, could've gone either way, but it went Bradley's way and yet the supposed warrior, Pacquaio, won't avenge the loss.

I'm glad that you're a loyal fan of Manny Pacquaio, but your commitment to the sport that made Manny Pacquaio is nonexistent.

Boxing will continue after Pacquaio retires and to be frank I hope he retires after Marquez and focuses on his "legendary" humanitarian efforts. I'm sick of the illusion that is Manny Pacquaio and the dumbing down effect that everything surrounding him has had on my beloved Sweet Science.
i'm actually not a floyd or manny fan my man so calling him "my guy" and saying "my mob" means absolutely nothing to me. i guess the same way you make assumptions based off of what my opinion is about THAT FIGHT i can assume you're a mayweather fan seeing how quick you are to attack pacman. so are you saying you believe the judges are ALWAYS correct. because judges have the authority to judge a fight doesn't mean they are competent and always correct. so have you been in agreement with the judges in every fight you've watched? i agree with you that boxing is subjective...but in some instances (lewis/holyfield 1, whitaker/chavez, p williams/lara for example) i think the judges deserve to be second guessed. and btw i acutally thought pacman lost his 3rd fight to marquez. but i personally thought that fight was a close fight that could've gone either way unlike how i feel about pac/bradley. and you're right boxing will continue after pac...and mayweather, and so on. i don't think you're breaking any news there homie.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (darroy @ Sep 22 2012, 03:39 PM) *
i'm actually not a floyd or manny fan my man so calling him "my guy" and saying "my mob" means absolutely nothing to me. i guess the same way you make assumptions based off of what my opinion is about THAT FIGHT i can assume you're a mayweather fan seeing how quick you are to attack pacman. so are you saying you believe the judges are ALWAYS correct. because judges have the authority to judge a fight doesn't mean they are competent and always correct. so have you been in agreement with the judges in every fight you've watched? i agree with you that boxing is subjective...but in some instances (lewis/holyfield 1, whitaker/chavez, p williams/lara for example) i think the judges deserve to be second guessed. and btw i acutally thought pacman lost his 3rd fight to marquez. but i personally thought that fight was a close fight that could've gone either way unlike how i feel about pac/bradley. and you're right boxing will continue after pac...and mayweather, and so on. i don't think you're breaking any news there homie.

I've been down this road with people like you before and it's a resounding dead end. So all I'll add is that no I don't always agree with the judges.
mgrover
Because in the eyes of the majority of the boxing world Bradley should of lost, am not putting a percentage on it cause wtf really?. It obviously did terrible ppvs and since supposedly the Marquez fight he did 1.4 million? Its not rocket science ladies and gentlemen. If you think Bradley won great for you, i had it 116-114 pac, it was a harder fight to score cause not much was landing and pac didn't help his case when he did nothing for almost an entire round. Also people need to stop mentioning the belt, since it means shit
Cshel86
QUOTE (mgrover @ Sep 22 2012, 10:01 PM) *
Also people need to stop mentioning the belt, since it means shit



Whaaaaat??? People are using useless titles in their debates? Get outta here, really?
mgrover
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 23 2012, 03:27 AM) *


Whaaaaat??? People are using useless titles in their debates? Get outta here, really?


yeah goes hand in hand with avenging the loss, i just don't see it in Pac anymore, that fire. the guy who cried to find out that he drew a fight with Marquez, because he obviously wanted to win so badly. But to just shrug it off and say I respect the judges, fuck that
duwdu
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Sep 22 2012, 11:14 AM) *
"No one with common sense?" Except for the judges.

Judging a boxing match is subjective, but I'm pretty fed up with people like you acting as if the judges who had the authority to judge a very high profile boxing match should somehow defer to you and the rest of your mob.

I said it before as Bradley was narrowly beating your guy and I'll say it again. Close boxing match, could've gone either way, but it went Bradley's way and yet the supposed warrior, Pacquaio, won't avenge the loss.

I'm glad that you're a loyal fan of Manny Pacquaio, but your commitment to the sport that made Manny Pacquaio is nonexistent.

Boxing will continue after Pacquaio retires and to be frank I hope he retires after Marquez and focuses on his "legendary" humanitarian efforts. I'm sick of the illusion that is Manny Pacquaio and the dumbing down effect that everything surrounding him has had on my beloved Sweet Science.


The points I would make and my sentiments exactly, Cheesey, especially the part I have put in bold.

In a related sense, I was sick to the bones at the manner and with the recklessness with which Amir Khan was calling out Floyd Mayweather, before his (Amir) fight with Peterson. It was just silly the way Amir, together with Freddie, was putting/shoving Amir between Pac and Floyd. I wrote on here then that these guys (as personified by Amir and Freddie,) should just "let us see the road." They were just demeaning the sport, and muddying the waters, IMHO. All of that sentiment passed, and is still passing.

P34c3
Cheesey1
QUOTE (duwdu @ Sep 23 2012, 01:21 PM) *
The points I would make and my sentiments exactly, Cheesey, especially the part I have put in bold.

In a related sense, I was sick to the bones at the manner and with the recklessness with which Amir Khan was calling out Floyd Mayweather, before his (Amir) fight with Peterson. It was just silly the way Amir, together with Freddie, was putting/shoving Amir between Pac and Floyd. I wrote on here then that these guys (as personified by Amir and Freddie,) should just "let us see the road." They were just demeaning the sport, and muddying the waters, IMHO. All of that sentiment passed, and is still passing.

P34c3

Thanks, appreciated.
Musashi100
i want him to fight bradley again just to see what bradley will do different in the fight.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Musashi100 @ Sep 23 2012, 08:06 PM) *
i want him to fight bradley again just to see what bradley will do different in the fight.

You and me both...
Franchize
According to Dan Rafael, Bradley and Guerrero are in negotiations for a fight. The two fighters I dislike most lol. I wish they could both lose but I will probably b pulling for Bradley to beat the gel outta Guerreros spiked hair
mgrover
can someone say double KO, but I doubt it since neither have that type of power lool
checkleft
Haha they are made for each other. Neither one has a dance partner so might as well...

Idk why people wouldn't like Bradley he's a smart high motor guy, I think he can outsmart guerrero. And this is good bait for guerrero, If he beats Tim bet you we see the Floyd fight just so Floyd can say he fought the guy who beat the guy that beat pac lol (even though I hate triangle theories in boxing)
The Original MrFactor
Just wait out Ricky Hatton... Bradley/Hatton should have happened 2 years ago for supremacy at 140.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Sep 24 2012, 05:27 PM) *
According to Dan Rafael, Bradley and Guerrero are in negotiations for a fight. The two fighters I dislike most lol. I wish they could both lose but I will probably b pulling for Bradley to beat the gel outta Guerreros spiked hair


dislike aside...that is a good fight!
sduck
Funny how every comment from boxingloner is about floyd mayweather
daprofessor
QUOTE (sduck @ Sep 26 2012, 01:09 AM) *
Funny how every comment from boxingloner is about floyd mayweather


he's just trying to add balance to the forum. laugh.gif
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 26 2012, 12:48 PM) *
he's just trying to add balance to the forum. laugh.gif

Alright that just sounds like some star wars shit now Haha
checkleft
According to Arum the possibilities for Bradley include guerrero berto and lamont
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 26 2012, 02:08 PM) *
Alright that just sounds like some star wars shit now Haha


may the force be with u. laugh.gif
JD22
Manny is taking on a better fighter in Juan. IMO, Juan beat Manny last time and won 9 out of 12 very clear rounds. I believe Manny took 8 out of 12 very clear rounds with Bradley.

Manny is avoiding Floyd at every cost though. He used valid drug testing as the first excuse and then priced himself out the 2nd time. The NUMBERS IN COMMON OPPONENTS never supported him doing a 50/50. They don't even support a 45/55.

Arum should take Richard/Oscar/Al up on their offer and if Manny is really worth 45% of the projected total that the fighters will get, then the numbers will speak for themselves. Instead Bob and Team Pacquiao are ducking this option.
daprofessor
QUOTE (JD22 @ Oct 3 2012, 04:00 PM) *
Manny is taking on a better fighter in Juan. IMO, Juan beat Manny last time and won 9 out of 12 very clear rounds. I believe Manny took 8 out of 12 very clear rounds with Bradley.

Manny is avoiding Floyd at every cost though. He used valid drug testing as the first excuse and then priced himself out the 2nd time. The NUMBERS IN COMMON OPPONENTS never supported him doing a 50/50. They don't even support a 45/55.

Arum should take Richard/Oscar/Al up on their offer and if Manny is really worth 45% of the projected total that the fighters will get, then the numbers will speak for themselves. Instead Bob and Team Pacquiao are ducking this option.


that 45% thing is more than likely off the table now.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (JD22 @ Oct 3 2012, 03:00 PM) *
Manny is taking on a better fighter in Juan. IMO, Juan beat Manny last time and won 9 out of 12 very clear rounds. I believe Manny took 8 out of 12 very clear rounds with Bradley.

Manny is avoiding Floyd at every cost though. He used valid drug testing as the first excuse and then priced himself out the 2nd time. The NUMBERS IN COMMON OPPONENTS never supported him doing a 50/50. They don't even support a 45/55.

Arum should take Richard/Oscar/Al up on their offer and if Manny is really worth 45% of the projected total that the fighters will get, then the numbers will speak for themselves. Instead Bob and Team Pacquiao are ducking this option.



Barring a KO of JMM then Manny will lose to JMM and then he'll wait to fight the winner of Bradley vs Peterson because Arum has already announced Pac's new date for his next fight on April 20 2013, this guarantees that there will be no fight with Mayweather.

Further proof that Pac and Arum are ducking Floyd is found here: http://fighthype.com/news/article13348.html
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