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daprofessor
floyd/pac

pac/jmm

donaire/nishioka

canelo/mayorga...or any other past it or underweight/overmatched opponent

to be continued.... laugh.gif
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 20 2012, 09:48 PM) *
floyd/pac

pac/jmm

donaire/nishioka

canelo/mayorga...or any other past it or underweight/overmatched opponent

to be continued.... laugh.gif


I could agree with all of those.

But id add Bute Froch II

Cshel86
Pac/JMM IV...wait, the Mexican National Anthem will be sang, so I retract that statement. LOL

Froch/Mack - what's the point? Stay busy fight? Maybe?

Mayweather/Martinez - weight difference is too high. I'll watch it, but I seriously dont want it to be made

Jermain Taylor vs ANYBODY - a bleeding brain + bad knockouts = retirement...for good, hopefully.
Plah
Nice threads prof, from the back of my mind:

Bradley/Alexander 2 nono.gif

Another no hoper vs the Klitschkos

Another blown up jr welter vs Canelo

Another overhyped opponent for Floyd

Obviously, this goes without saying, Pac/Jmm IV

Another fight ref'ed by Mora

Martinez/Chavez rematch

Floyd vs Hatton II, The Hitman Strikes Back , in UK.

Im short by 2, I'll add another time.
Franchize
Floyd vs Martinez- too much of a weight difference.
Froch vs Bute- no thanks. Bute got exposed. Like midget porn, you dont need to see it to know you dont like it. He got his heart taken from him.
Bradley vs Alexander- the first fight was horrendous. Nothing suggests the second wont be equally bad.
Pacquiao vs Marquez- This isnt Rocky. I dont need to see 4 of these. Especially when they all end the same. Marquez outboxing but losing to Pac
Roy Jones Jr vs Anybody
Jermain Taylor vs Anybody
Vitali vs Anybody- hes not going to lose. Wladamir is a different story. I think he can be beat.
Cloud vs Anyone not named Dawson, Hopkins or Pascal.- lets face it, even if he gets beat, he wont lose.
Arreola vs some no name- stop trying to convince me this guy isnt overhyped by feeding him bums.
Lopez vs anyone over 147 lbs - dude clearly was flabby trying to gain weight. He looked light in the ass.
checkleft
QUOTE (Franchize @ Sep 21 2012, 09:35 AM) *
Floyd vs Martinez- too much of a weight difference.
Froch vs Bute- no thanks. Bute got exposed. Like midget porn, you dont need to see it to know you dont like it. He got his heart taken from him.
Bradley vs Alexander- the first fight was horrendous. Nothing suggests the second wont be equally bad.
Pacquiao vs Marquez- This isnt Rocky. I dont need to see 4 of these. Especially when they all end the same. Marquez outboxing but losing to Pac
Roy Jones Jr vs Anybody
Jermain Taylor vs Anybody
Vitali vs Anybody- hes not going to lose. Wladamir is a different story. I think he can be beat.
Cloud vs Anyone not named Dawson, Hopkins or Pascal.- lets face it, even if he gets beat, he wont lose.
Arreola vs some no name- stop trying to convince me this guy isnt overhyped by feeding him bums.
Lopez vs anyone over 147 lbs - dude clearly was flabby trying to gain weight. He looked light in the ass.

Hahaha

daprofessor
russell/juanma

step it up russell!
boxingloner
Any klitschko fight unless it's against each other.

By the way I have a quick question for everyone that said they don't want to see Martinez vs mayweather. I know all your reasons were because of the weight difference. So is it that Martinez will be just to big and end up just beating the shit out of Floyd easily? If yes then I can understand why you don't want. But I see it being competitive and a good fight reguardless of weight. Floyds a master and would make it competitive. And for that I'd love to see that fight. Do y'all ever want to see Floyd test himself mentally and physically in a situation where the outcome isn't obvious and he has a huge chance at losing?
Franchize
QUOTE (boxingloner @ Sep 21 2012, 03:54 PM) *
Any klitschko fight unless it's against each other.

By the way I have a quick question for everyone that said they don't want to see Martinez vs mayweather. I know all your reasons were because of the weight difference. So is it that Martinez will be just to big and end up just beating the shit out of Floyd easily? If yes then I can understand why you don't want. But I see it being competitive and a good fight reguardless of weight. Floyds a master and would make it competitive. And for that I'd love to see that fight. Do y'all ever want to see Floyd test himself mentally and physically in a situation where the outcome isn't obvious and he has a huge chance at losing?

Cant speak for everyone but personally, I think its lose/lose for Floyd. If he beats Martinez, he just beat a guy who we all know he is better than skill wise. If he loses, it doesnt necessarily mean Martinez is better than him. You cant even use the "styles make fights" reasoning. Much like if Roy would have lost to Ruiz, all it would have meant is that he shouldnt gave gone that far up in weight. Plus, it gives the casual fans a whole new list of fighters at 154 that Floyd is ducking. Thus, a lot of quality fights at 147 probably wont get made. I personally feel welterweight is the most compelling and competitive division in the sport. Id rather see Floyd continue his legacy fighting ppl his size rather than trying to take an unnecessary risk that, in my eyes, doesnt prove anything either way. Thats just my opinion though.
boxingloner
QUOTE (Franchize @ Sep 21 2012, 01:12 PM) *
Cant speak for everyone but personally, I think its lose/lose for Floyd. If he beats Martinez, he just beat a guy who we all know he is better than skill wise. If he loses, it doesnt necessarily mean Martinez is better than him. You cant even use the "styles make fights" reasoning. Much like if Roy would have lost to Ruiz, all it would have meant is that he shouldnt gave gone that far up in weight. Plus, it gives the casual fans a whole new list of fighters at 154 that Floyd is ducking. Thus, a lot of quality fights at 147 probably wont get made. I personally feel welterweight is the most compelling and competitive division in the sport. Id rather see Floyd continue his legacy fighting ppl his size rather than trying to take an unnecessary risk that, in my eyes, doesnt prove anything either way. Thats just my opinion though.

I guess we look at it differently. It's not a lose/lose for Floyd. If he steps up and fought Martinez and say floyd won. It would boost is status big time as one of the greatest of all time It would be. And he only people that would be saying oh he is better skill wise and he should have won anyways are the one that dont know squat and who cares what they say. .Floyd would get unbelieveably huge credit for beating Martinez, more than any other fight he's had. If Martinez ended up blowing him out the water than people would say the weight made a huge difference and the same would be said if he lost a completive fight. There is no shame in losing a fight that you are mentally and physically testing yourself.
checkleft
QUOTE (boxingloner @ Sep 21 2012, 03:54 PM) *
Any klitschko fight unless it's against each other.

By the way I have a quick question for everyone that said they don't want to see Martinez vs mayweather. I know all your reasons were because of the weight difference. So is it that Martinez will be just to big and end up just beating the shit out of Floyd easily? If yes then I can understand why you don't want. But I see it being competitive and a good fight reguardless of weight. Floyds a master and would make it competitive. And for that I'd love to see that fight. Do y'all ever want to see Floyd test himself mentally and physically in a situation where the outcome isn't obvious and he has a huge chance at losing?


I think it remains to be seen if martinez can make the weight effectively at this point in his career. I think the reasoning behind most people not wanting to see martinez vs floyd at 154 is that it has the potential to turnout to be like dawson vs ward or josesito vs canelo ( either drained or too big). Doubt that people just dont want to see floyd tested mentally. You could argue that he was tested mentally against cotto and maybe thats why hes in no rush to come back boxing.

I like franchize statement about there being plenty of competition at 147 that could potentially test floyd, because im not at all sold on alvarez until he fights someone who is actually his size and ranked in the top ten. IF alexander wins im certain were gonna hear pac/floyd come out of his mouth
daprofessor
QUOTE (boxingloner @ Sep 21 2012, 02:54 PM) *
Any klitschko fight unless it's against each other.

By the way I have a quick question for everyone that said they don't want to see Martinez vs mayweather. I know all your reasons were because of the weight difference. So is it that Martinez will be just to big and end up just beating the shit out of Floyd easily? If yes then I can understand why you don't want. But I see it being competitive and a good fight reguardless of weight. Floyds a master and would make it competitive. And for that I'd love to see that fight. Do y'all ever want to see Floyd test himself mentally and physically in a situation where the outcome isn't obvious and he has a huge chance at losing?


it's not a fight that is high on my list. i think floyd outpoints martinez. there's no way in hell floyd is going to chase him around.
boxingloner
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 21 2012, 01:58 PM) *
it's not a fight that is high on my list. i think floyd outpoints martinez. there's no way in hell floyd is going to chase him around.

It's a great fight for Floyds career and legacy if he moved up and won the middleweight championship. It would be huge for him. And IMO Martinez would be doing the chasing. It's the kind of test for floyd that tons and tons of people have wanted to see out of him.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 21 2012, 04:58 PM) *
it's not a fight that is high on my list. i think floyd outpoints martinez. there's no way in hell floyd is going to chase him around.

you also know he isnt gonna let martinez flick jabs and straights at him with his hands down without some pull counters, straights, or left hooks coming back at him. it would be interesting to see how martinez would go at floyd, he looked out of it when he was chasing macklin around the ring and macklin isnt really a boxer.
Franchize
QUOTE (boxingloner @ Sep 21 2012, 04:41 PM) *
I guess we look at it differently. It's not a lose/lose for Floyd. If he steps up and fought Martinez and say floyd won. It would boost is status big time as one of the greatest of all time It would be. And he only people that would be saying oh he is better skill wise and he should have won anyways are the one that dont know squat and who cares what they say. .Floyd would get unbelieveably huge credit for beating Martinez, more than any other fight he's had. If Martinez ended up blowing him out the water than people would say the weight made a huge difference and the same would be said if he lost a completive fight. There is no shame in losing a fight that you are mentally and physically testing yourself.

In a perfect world, maybe this would be true. In a world dominated by facebook, twitter and blogs, the days of the knowledgeable fan being the majority are over. Furthermore, unlike the 1%, casual fans (the new majority) have a lot of pull. If they didnt, said fight and countless others would have been made. Youre right. We look at it differently. I just dont see Mayweather beating Martinez and ppl having a change of heart. Martinez will be just another guy he was "supposed" to beat mysteriously. Itll start with HBO. Just like they did with Ward vs Dawson; instead of giving credit where its due for beating a big time opponent who's bigger, in their prime, they will downplay the Martinez talent and paint the picture after the fact that he isnt that good. Either that or his age will be an excuse. If I was Floyd, Id be looking for the best welterweight fight to be made, starting with Manny, then Id cash out on one more big event and then give the sport my ass to kiss. Im admittedly a Floyd fan but even if I werent. HE is the p4p king. Why is it that he seems to be conceding to other ppls wishes lately? If I were him, if you wanna fight me, you will be fighting at 147, in MGM, taking random drug test, and for however much Im willing to offer you. End of story.
daprofessor
QUOTE (boxingloner @ Sep 21 2012, 04:06 PM) *
It's a great fight for Floyds career and legacy if he moved up and won the middleweight championship. It would be huge for him. And IMO Martinez would be doing the chasing. It's the kind of test for floyd that tons and tons of people have wanted to see out of him.


martinez was talking about dropping in weight....that's a no win situation for floyd. at 160...all the glory will be his and it's definitely a career defining fight...that is a win he could retire off of. i get the feeling floyds going to stick around for a few more paydays but i doubt that happens. i expect that he will lose to someone he shouldn't lose to due to inactivity. we can all hope and pray for those kinds of fights...but the truth is, floyd and pac are not cut from the same cloth as guys like duran, hearns, benitez and hagler. (i left leonard out on purpose)
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 21 2012, 04:10 PM) *
you also know he isnt gonna let martinez flick jabs and straights at him with his hands down without some pull counters, straights, or left hooks coming back at him. it would be interesting to see how martinez would go at floyd, he looked out of it when he was chasing macklin around the ring and macklin isnt really a boxer.


the thing about it...floyd won't be able to pull counter too much because martinez is a longer opponent. he'll get away with it in certain spots...but i could see floyd catching and countering and throwing with martinez anytime he attacks. martinez is pretty much a one trick pony...he tries to lure u in...and counter u. he likes to set traps...but very rarely does he go on the attack with out first making u step towards him. floyd will sit back and counter his attacks. floyd is waaaay more versatile so i can see him doing several things successfully against martinez. i don't believe martinez is as fast as floyd.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 21 2012, 07:39 PM) *
the thing about it...floyd won't be able to pull counter too much because martinez is a longer opponent. he'll get away with it in certain spots...but i could see floyd catching and countering and throwing with martinez anytime he attacks. martinez is pretty much a one trick pony...he tries to lure u in...and counter u. he likes to set traps...but very rarely does he go on the attack with out first making u step towards him. floyd will sit back and counter his attacks. floyd is waaaay more versatile so i can see him doing several things successfully against martinez. i don't believe martinez is as fast as floyd.

Yea he and ward have some of the best left hooks to deal with south paws that I've seen
mgrover
QUOTE (boxingloner @ Sep 21 2012, 09:41 PM) *
I guess we look at it differently. It's not a lose/lose for Floyd. If he steps up and fought Martinez and say floyd won. It would boost is status big time as one of the greatest of all time It would be. And he only people that would be saying oh he is better skill wise and he should have won anyways are the one that dont know squat and who cares what they say. .Floyd would get unbelieveably huge credit for beating Martinez, more than any other fight he's had. If Martinez ended up blowing him out the water than people would say the weight made a huge difference and the same would be said if he lost a completive fight. There is no shame in losing a fight that you are mentally and physically testing yourself.



your talking like a casual fan, no matter what Floyd does, he will always protect that 0, he takes calculated risks, and would never take a high risk of losing that 0 it's as simple as that. I don't think he actually needs to fight Martinez, I'd be interested in the fight sure, but come on, this is Mayweather...
boxingloner
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 21 2012, 04:29 PM) *
martinez was talking about dropping in weight....that's a no win situation for floyd. at 160...all the glory will be his and it's definitely a career defining fight...that is a win he could retire off of. i get the feeling floyds going to stick around for a few more paydays but i doubt that happens. i expect that he will lose to someone he shouldn't lose to due to inactivity. we can all hope and pray for those kinds of fights...but the truth is, floyd and pac are not cut from the same cloth as guys like duran, hearns, benitez and hagler. (i left leonard out on purpose)

I agree with this. Especially the last part. Its one of the reason i can't grasp on to fighters like Floyd and others like i did before with other fighters from the past because they don't test themselves like before. And IMO it has weakened boxing to the general public. I understand what you are saying if Martinez dropped in weight to fight Floyd. It would put Martinez at a disadvantage and Floyd prolly would t get the credit if he won because they would expect a Floyd win. Now If Floyd were to fight Martinez at 160 for the middleweight championship i like want, all glory would be for Floyd if he could pull it out and it would be career defining. But i know it wishful thinking by me for wanting to see it.
Cshel86
Goddamn, how many fuckin' weight classes do people want Floyd to move up? Cut that shit out. He's already competed at 5 weight classes, so what? If he moves up to 160 and beats Martinez, then motherfuckers will be demanding a Ward fight, then a Dawson fight at 175. When will the bullshit stop?

The only way that he possibly fights Martinez, is at 154. Sergio will do the same shit Dawson did, when it came to moving down in weight. He was saying waaay before the Hopkins rematch, that he could still compete at 168. He got there, and got his ass handed to him, because of skill and of course the weight.

If Floyd fights and beats Sergio at 54, then people will complain that Sergio sacrificed a few lbs and others will say that Floyd is the best fighter in the world. If Floyd moves up to 160 and loses, then people will that its the weight, and Sergio will be the best fighter that ever lived. It goes both ways. Get it?

These "Floyd should fight this guy" discussions are getting old, and are revolving doors. This shit is like the airport, that bitch never closes. Stop it. Nobody wants to see a bloated Floyd at 160, and nobody wants to see a drained Sergio at 154. I'm tired of seeing bloated and drained fighters fight for "glory" and/or a paycheck.
wolterb
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 21 2012, 09:00 PM) *
These "Floyd should fight this guy" discussions are getting old, and are revolving doors. This shit is like the airport, that bitch never closes. Stop it. Nobody wants to see a bloated Floyd at 160, and nobody wants to see a drained Sergio at 154. I'm tired of seeing bloated and drained fighters fight for "glory" and/or a paycheck.


LOL you said it! I hadto laugh cause a 160 floyd mayweather jr would look kinda like a bite sized 200+lb James Toney

But I gotta put my 2 cents on this now that I was thinkin bout the fights i wanted to see

the shit i don't like:

1. andre ward v. kelly pavlik
andre ward has been doing nothing but fighting good competition for the past few years. I would understand if he signed on with Pavlik for a breezy paycheck. But at the same time, I wouldn't watch it and a victory wouldn't count for nothing. Pavlik does not deserve to face a quality champion like Ward nor does he deserve the beating he'd get. pavlik is washed up imo and has been

2. ricky hatton v. ANY reputable opponents (at least for a year and pry two)
i hate to dog on all of the boxers with substance abuse problems, but ricky hatton should keep all the big names out his mouth until he knows what he is still capable of against D and C grade boxers. You can't blow up in weight, go on a few year night bender and then decide to be a boxer again. I hope Hatton shows me different but I have a feeling he might have a tough "part II" of his career.

3. pacquiao v marquez 4
this is just a redundant fight. at this point, arum should organize a continent-cross-continent tour and marquez and pacquiao can fight eachother throughout the year every location they stop at. they could fight eachother about 40 times before it was all said and done. and after everytime they fight, they sign autographs. they could also have a traveling merchandise vendor that hawks out t-shirts, cups, candy bars and hats, all pacquiao/marquez paraphinilia. my point is, don't have these two guys fight for a fourth time and act like it is still an "event"...the fourth time might as well be the 40th

4. garcia v morales II
morales made garcia compete the first time, which does mean something at the age morales is. with that said, i think that is the best morales can do now: give upncomers a lesson (but probably not a beating). worst case scenario, the veteran runs out of gas against a young gun who might make up for a lack of skills with youth and finesse. I just don't think Morales deserves to get that beating. I might be wrong though, maybe el terrible still has some cards to play I don't know about. either way, i coulda passed on seeing this rematch

5. chavez v martinez II
i hate to be dismissive and judgemental of this match made in heaven but that is what I am. the reason this fight would or could happen is the same reason that there is a 4th pacquiao marquez fight. a boxer gets all the chances in the world to redeem themselves so long as there is fan base to pay for it. chavez jr should stop thinkin about hitting martinez and instead keep to his usual of hitting the bongy yahoo.gif


shit i'm hard pressed to think of any others I find especially meaningless...which is a good thing. So i'll call it quits early then and keep it a solid 5.
Cshel86
QUOTE (wolterb @ Oct 13 2012, 11:58 AM) *
1. andre ward v. kelly pavlik
andre ward has been doing nothing but fighting good competition for the past few years. I would understand if he signed on with Pavlik for a breezy paycheck. But at the same time, I wouldn't watch it and a victory wouldn't count for nothing. Pavlik does not deserve to face a quality champion like Ward nor does he deserve the beating he'd get. pavlik is washed up imo and has been

2. ricky hatton v. ANY reputable opponents (at least for a year and pry two)
i hate to dog on all of the boxers with substance abuse problems, but ricky hatton should keep all the big names out his mouth until he knows what he is still capable of against D and C grade boxers. You can't blow up in weight, go on a few year night bender and then decide to be a boxer again. I hope Hatton shows me different but I have a feeling he might have a tough "part II" of his career.

3. pacquiao v marquez 4
this is just a redundant fight. at this point, arum should organize a continent-cross-continent tour and marquez and pacquiao can fight eachother throughout the year every location they stop at. they could fight eachother about 40 times before it was all said and done. and after everytime they fight, they sign autographs. they could also have a traveling merchandise vendor that hawks out t-shirts, cups, candy bars and hats, all pacquiao/marquez paraphinilia. my point is, don't have these two guys fight for a fourth time and act like it is still an "event"...the fourth time might as well be the 40th

4. garcia v morales II
morales made garcia compete the first time, which does mean something at the age morales is. with that said, i think that is the best morales can do now: give upncomers a lesson (but probably not a beating). worst case scenario, the veteran runs out of gas against a young gun who might make up for a lack of skills with youth and finesse. I just don't think Morales deserves to get that beating. I might be wrong though, maybe el terrible still has some cards to play I don't know about. either way, i coulda passed on seeing this rematch

5. chavez v martinez II
i hate to be dismissive and judgemental of this match made in heaven but that is what I am. the reason this fight would or could happen is the same reason that there is a 4th pacquiao marquez fight. a boxer gets all the chances in the world to redeem themselves so long as there is fan base to pay for it. chavez jr should stop thinkin about hitting martinez and instead keep to his usual of hitting the bongy yahoo.gif


shit i'm hard pressed to think of any others I find especially meaningless...which is a good thing. So i'll call it quits early then and keep it a solid 5.

I couldn't agree more with you, on a few of these.

1. Ward/Pavlik: Im not completely on board with this one myself, but Ward does need to stay busy. Nobody else has really done shit at 168, and its obvious that Dirrell chooses friendship in this situation, but honestly, what has Dirrell even done at 68?! I believe Pavlik does still deserve to fight top opposition. He has fought a heap of no-hopers to get his name back in top contention, but Im sure we all agree that Ward was too big of a step for Kelly. If lilliputians and firefighters can give Kelly a run for his money (based off of activity), then Ward would be too much for him. His best best is to make Ward taste the canvas at least once, then he doesn't have to do anything else right for the remainder of the bout.

2. I agree about Ricky Hatton. Hopefully his popularity, fans base, and relentlessness in the ring, helps keep our minds off of critically assessing his return performance. Sadly, we're boxing fans...the most brutal fans to grace the face of this Earth. Well hell, we're at least in the top 3. Lol

3. Pac/JMM 4: I agree. They need to just go ahead and make an extended documentary with some unseen footage of the first 3 fights, and call it a day. Sadly, if JMM happens to make Manny taste the canvas, and totally fuck the eyes of us American fans who've never seen Manny on the canvas in a current bout...there will probably be a 5th fight. Lol. No, seriously though. The only thing that will hold my interest in a 4th fight, would be a delightful undercard, and of course hearing the Mexican national anthem.

4. Garcia/Morales 2: GBP did a nice gesture by taking our attention off of this uncalled for main event, by stacking the undercard and giving it to us for free...on top of the preliminaries before the actual quadruple header. The sad thing is, Morales gave Danny a run for his money in the first fight by timing him well, so if Erik happens to make Danny taste the canvas, make him look as lost at times as he did in the first fight, or possibly pull off an upset...then the glory of that Khan KO victory will catch a lot of flack. Sad, but true. You're only as good as your last fight. If Danny happens to look bad tonight, then Khan can come out of the woodwork and make excuses about the first fight, and actually get a pass for the loss.

5. Chavez/Martinez II: I agree, and you made some great points. Julio made it clear that a "puncher's chance" does still exist in the sport, and I believe that a lot of uncalled for rematches will be made, due to this. If they make Chavez/Martinez the FOTY, then more than likely, Bob will harp on that, and weasel Julio into a rematch.

Good stuff!
mgrover
anybody with a major title fighting a nobody. i would list but there's just wayyyy too many.
Gambit808
Only one I can think of for now is any fight concerning EVANDER HOLYFIELD!

I was gonna throw Roy Jones's name in there but for some reason I'm interested with his fight with Kimbo.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Oct 13 2012, 06:28 PM) *
Only one I can think of for now is any fight concerning EVANDER HOLYFIELD!

Consider yourself fortunate...Holyfield finally retired this week.
wolterb

shel, i see your point about ward keeping busy. if its between no fight at all or a fight with pavlik, thered be nothing wrong with ward doing it. and i def agree with you about dirrel.

that khan point is something i hadn't thought about either. i gotta admit though, khan has grown on me. he at least was humbled enough to acknowledge some of his shortcomings and try to learn more. getting multiple losses may have been the best thing for him but i don't know.

its also interesting you said that boxers are only as good as their last fight. when i decided to place morales v. garcia II on the list, garcia's ko victory over khan was on the forefront of my mind. maybe there is more left in morales than i'm granting him after rethinking how erik and danny's first fight went. garcia looked outclassed at times. morales just doesnt have that pop anymore and i think if he fucks around he won't be able to defend himself

and i'll drink to holyfield's good health tonight, i didn't know he retired until looking at this thread lol good for him
daprofessor
donaire vs anyone but rigondeaux/moreno/agbeko/mares
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