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Cshel86
I've been reading around, and hearing this guy say that he will sit down with certain guys (Martinez, Chavez, Alvarez, etc) after he's done with the Trout fight. Im not even sure if Cotto wins that fight, but my point is...why in the hell is this guy taking one hard fight after another, when he's in control of his career?

I'm usually against this, but Miguel should honestly make some of these BIG welterweights move up to fight him. Let's be real, these guys dont have to be do-gooders and make 154 on the head, 150 or 152 is perfectly fine.

I only like when free agents exercise the power to make their own decisions, especially when they're a draw like Cotto. Again, no need for him to take one hard fight after another, when he can make Canelo's punk ass fight somebody of note, who's an able-bodied fighter. Canelo's not a punk, maybe Oscar's the blame for making it seem that way.

Dude gives some of these fighters waaay too much respect, when they still have a bit of work to do. He's getting older, so again, he can chill a bit with these hard fights, and make these young guys actually work for something in the sport.

Half of those mofos just sign on the dotted line of a promotional company, and hope to get weaseled to the top by fighting dead bodies, or incompetent competition (oxymoron).

With Manny's opponent selection being controlled by Bob, and Mayweather being the undecided, money-driven, opportunist that he is...Cotto should put his foot down and run shit, until something changes on both of their ends.

No need to be the nice guy so soon and give these subpar fighters a chance at glory. If you think about it, the older "name" fighters, usually get fed to the young hungry fighters any damn way, especially when the older fighter has lost his edge. So why not stay active, and make your own big fights until you lose your step, and THEN give the young guys a chance?

Thoughts?

mitukczuk
You got a point, C'.

I have always liked Miguel. He is all about boxing and pride and thats what I am admiring him for. On the other hand I am surprised that this pride of his doesn't drive him. Meaning that he is not asserting himself as THE man in the sport and always plays second fiddle. BUT I really like his move in fighting Trout. I just hope he didnt bite to much to chew.


On a completely different note - That fine piece of lady keeps me on the edge! Still !
checkleft
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 1 2012, 12:38 PM) *
I've been reading around, and hearing this guy say that he will sit down with certain guys (Martinez, Chavez, Alvarez, etc) after he's done with the Trout fight. Im not even sure if Cotto wins that fight, but my point is...why in the hell is this guy taking one hard fight after another, when he's in control of his career?

I'm usually against this, but Miguel should honestly make some of these BIG welterweights move up to fight him. Let's be real, these guys dont have to be do-gooders and make 154 on the head, 150 or 152 is perfectly fine.

I only like when free agents exercise the power to make their own decisions, especially when they're a draw like Cotto. Again, no need for him to take one hard fight after another, when he can make Canelo's punk ass fight somebody of note, who's an able-bodied fighter. Canelo's not a punk, maybe Oscar's the blame for making it seem that way.

Dude gives some of these fighters waaay too much respect, when they still have a bit of work to do. He's getting older, so again, he can chill a bit with these hard fights, and make these young guys actually work for something in the sport.

Half of those mofos just sign on the dotted line of a promotional company, and hope to get weaseled to the top by fighting dead bodies, or incompetent competition (oxymoron).

With Manny's opponent selection being controlled by Bob, and Mayweather being the undecided, money-driven, opportunist that he is...Cotto should put his foot down and run shit, until something changes on both of their ends.

No need to be the nice guy so soon and give these subpar fighters a chance at glory. If you think about it, the older "name" fighters, usually get fed to the young hungry fighters any damn way, especially when the older fighter has lost his edge. So why not stay active, and make your own big fights until you lose your step, and THEN give the young guys a chance?

Thoughts?

I get what your saying but it seems like cotto just wants to fight top contenders no matter who it is.

As far as Canelo goes I think he might be a punk... He seems to have it in his head that these wins actually mean something and the whole episodes with Archie makes him seem like a Douche
BoxingFan86
I assume he is workin' on his legacy.
Cshel86
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Oct 1 2012, 02:01 PM) *
he is not asserting himself as THE man in the sport and always plays second fiddle. BUT I really like his move in fighting Trout. I just hope he didnt bite to much to chew.

Agreed! I dont like his second fiddle approach either. It's like he has the keys to a Lambo, but all he decides to do is gas it up. Drive that shit Cotto! Lol

Getting beat by Austin Trout, would be a bad look at this stage of his career, because he still has some miles left on his career. His legacy is somewhat sealed, though he could take a few more fights to add a feather or two in his hat.

Im not saying that Trout is a nobody, but why risk a loss to a guy who's almost guaranteed to not be a big star afterward? Look at Shane beating Oscar for instance...Shane didn't become this big moneymaker like he should have, and he had the ring appeal to help with that.

Bad management, and his nice guy attitude did little for his career...something that Trout seems to be following. GBP hasn't done all that much for Trout's career up to this point, so Im wondering what they will have for him, in the event that he beats Cotto.

Let's be honest, before this fight was announced, "Cotto" and "Trout" didn't even belong in the same sentence. Lol

QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 1 2012, 02:19 PM) *
I get what your saying but it seems like cotto just wants to fight top contenders no matter who it is.

As far as Canelo goes I think he might be a punk... He seems to have it in his head that these wins actually mean something and the whole episodes with Archie makes him seem like a Douche

Top contenders sure better be making him the money that he could be making, not saying that he hasn't made enough already. Floyd picked a young contender in Ortiz, but for Cotto to pick Trout?! Trout? C'mon Miguel. Lol

Im just tired of Canelo at this point as well. As much as I've seen this dude fight, not one of "breaking opponent selection" announcements, have had me at the edge of my seat. If anything, I was positioned at the edge of my seat in a meager suicide or self-harm attempt. If an old Mosley fight announcement had me thinking it was a "pick 'em" fight then that says a lot about his opponent selection. Lol

QUOTE (BoxingFan86 @ Oct 1 2012, 02:20 PM) *
I assume he is workin' on his legacy.

Whaddup Box!

I still dont see how a Trout fight would do anything for his legacy (as I mentioned in detail, above). Think about it, Miguel had to fight guys like Yuri Foreman and an old Mayorga, to get in position to be recognized again. They were reaching awfully hard when promoting the Margarito rematch, but that did enough to get him back tot he top, after nearly being wrote off after the Pac loss.

After that, he scored the Big One (Mayweather fight), and absolutely looked his best, even the face of defeat. One would even go as far as saying that Miguel was almost back to his old self. As a matter of fact, we saw a relatively new Miguel that night.

He looked great losing, and kept his spot at the top...just to pick Austin Trout?! Again, Trout isn't a nobody, but he should've been fighting someone else at a higher level of the division, before getting a shot like this. Miguel isn't the top man in the division, but money wise and image wise, he is. If an old Morales could fight a bunch of taxi drivers during his return, land a Maidana fight, look good losing, and be in the driver's seat for his next few fights, then surely Miguel had better options out there.

If Trout just fought an uninterested Rodriguez, he should've been in there with somebody else afterwards, then possibly a Cotto fight. From the looks of it, Rodriguez was the road to Cotto?! See how weird that sounds? Thank Oscar for protecting his little ass puppet (Canelo), now the division is looking awfully weird. Lol
daprofessor
sometimes these guys have to challenge themselves to stay motivated. otherwise...they end up losing to no name fighters and diminishing their pay days. i get why cotto is rolling the dice with trout. he has a strap...and he's a boxer who prefers to sit back and will let cotto fight at his own pace. i'm not sure trout is a win for him...but i have to admire his willingness to take on a guy like trout. if he were smarter....he'd optimize his options and set him self up for some mega paydays before retiring. in a way...i think that's part of what he's doing with trout.
mrblackmagicj

Honestly, i think Cotto has a lot of confidence coming off his last fight with Floyd, and the fights he had leading up to that showdown, so he is pretty sure he is going to win. i mean, what has Trout done to make him a more feared opponent than Yuri Foreman was a few years ago? And the loss he came off of vs Pac pre Foreman was a lot worse and demeaning than the loss from Floyd pre Trout. Not to mention that if he does win this fight he will likely become the legit WBA 154lb champion, , instead of the paper "regular" champion that Trout is now, when mayweather goes back down to WW or just flat out refuses to defend the title at JrMiddle. So i can see how he feels it is a fight that is worth the risk.
mgrover
i think hes a man who still loves what he does, and still doesn't like to lose, so he picks trout, an undefeated, young stallion to prove that even though he may be older, he's still at that level. I think its a matter of pride, when he lost to Mayweather he feels that he needs to prove himself
Franchize
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 1 2012, 01:38 PM) *
I've been reading around, and hearing this guy say that he will sit down with certain guys (Martinez, Chavez, Alvarez, etc) after he's done with the Trout fight. Im not even sure if Cotto wins that fight, but my point is...why in the hell is this guy taking one hard fight after another, when he's in control of his career?

I'm usually against this, but Miguel should honestly make some of these BIG welterweights move up to fight him. Let's be real, these guys dont have to be do-gooders and make 154 on the head, 150 or 152 is perfectly fine.

I only like when free agents exercise the power to make their own decisions, especially when they're a draw like Cotto. Again, no need for him to take one hard fight after another, when he can make Canelo's punk ass fight somebody of note, who's an able-bodied fighter. Canelo's not a punk, maybe Oscar's the blame for making it seem that way.

Dude gives some of these fighters waaay too much respect, when they still have a bit of work to do. He's getting older, so again, he can chill a bit with these hard fights, and make these young guys actually work for something in the sport.

Half of those mofos just sign on the dotted line of a promotional company, and hope to get weaseled to the top by fighting dead bodies, or incompetent competition (oxymoron).

With Manny's opponent selection being controlled by Bob, and Mayweather being the undecided, money-driven, opportunist that he is...Cotto should put his foot down and run shit, until something changes on both of their ends.

No need to be the nice guy so soon and give these subpar fighters a chance at glory. If you think about it, the older "name" fighters, usually get fed to the young hungry fighters any damn way, especially when the older fighter has lost his edge. So why not stay active, and make your own big fights until you lose your step, and THEN give the young guys a chance?

Thoughts?

How I feel about Cotto is how I feel about Floyd. I feel both could be selfish and fight whoever they want. Theyve built up solid resumes, have had tough RECENT fights, and have bigtime PPV clout.

I still dont get why a guy who resurrected his career will take on a risk like a fight with Trout, which I dont think will put that many butts in seats. Its like Eminem battle rapping against some youtube legend.
Marcus
QUOTE (Franchize @ Oct 1 2012, 07:05 PM) *
How I feel about Cotto is how I feel about Floyd. I feel both could be selfish and fight whoever they want. Theyve built up solid resumes, have had tough RECENT fights, and have bigtime PPV clout.

I still dont get why a guy who resurrected his career will take on a risk like a fight with Trout, which I dont think will put that many butts in seats. Its like Eminem battle rapping against some youtube legend.


Cotto is the 3rd biggest PPV draw in the sport. I agree that just like Floyd he can fight whoever and make it a big fight. This was a risk. But i think Cotto wanted to prove that he could beat a young strong hungry Champion in Trout like Mayweather did with Ortiz. Although Trout isn't a big draw but with a title at stake i think this will improve Cotto's confidence and make a unification bout with Canelo that much more tantilizing in the event that Cotto wins. This was also a smart move because this will build Cotto's confidence in going against a young hungry fighter in Canelo. Cotto fighting Trout may predetermine how he can faceoff against young champions. This fight also makes sense because Cotto doesn't immediately have to fight Canelo. Perhaps he can challenge the winner of the Berto/Bundrage fight for a IBF/WBA unification and improve his purse, legacy, drawing power, and credibility going into the Canelo fight. If he does this he could also be more demanding of Canelo and order Canelo to prove himself against a worthy challenger. Cotto might as well rack up as many victories as possible because Cotto-Canelo is becoming the Mayweather-Pacquiao of the SWW division. If GBP isn't willing to risk a tough challenger against Canelo they are running out of options.. Cotto has plenty options since he is willing to face any and everyone.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Franchize @ Oct 1 2012, 07:05 PM) *
How I feel about Cotto is how I feel about Floyd. I feel both could be selfish and fight whoever they want. Theyve built up solid resumes, have had tough RECENT fights, and have bigtime PPV clout.

I still dont get why a guy who resurrected his career will take on a risk like a fight with Trout, which I dont think will put that many butts in seats. Its like Eminem battle rapping against some youtube legend.

Agreed. I like the Trout fight, but I hope Cotto is doing this to motivate himself (as mentioned earlier), rather than please the fans. I'm a fan of the sport, but some fans, I will tell to fuck off, because at this stage, Miguel should be racking up big money.

Fuck what these fans want, hell, most of us barely get what we want out of the sport anyhow...and us hardcore fans have learned to ask for what makes sense. We have also learned to appreciate what's given to us. laugh.gif

QUOTE (Marcus @ Oct 1 2012, 07:35 PM) *
If GBP isn't willing to risk a tough challenger against Canelo then they need to go fuck themselves.

There you go, I fixed it for you! laugh.gif

No seriously, great points man!
daprofessor
i guess what this all adds up to....with floyd out the picture...cotto is the man at 154. fuck what u heard. canelo ain't done shit. cotto doesn't need him...canelo has to prove himself if he wants to get paid against cotto.

that sum it up? dntknw.gif
Marcus
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 1 2012, 08:44 PM) *
i guess what this all adds up to....with floyd out the picture...cotto is the man at 154. fuck what u heard. canelo ain't done shit. cotto doesn't need him...canelo has to prove himself if he wants to get paid against cotto.

that sum it up? dntknw.gif

Pretty much yea. I'd love to see Cotto vs. the winner of the Berto/Brundrage fight though. Hopefully Cotto-Berto. Thats a fight.. Cotto would win easy. But it would definitely be entertaining. I could also see Canelo-Berto coming into fruition
daprofessor
QUOTE (Marcus @ Oct 1 2012, 07:47 PM) *
Pretty much yea. I'd love to see Cotto vs. the winner of the Berto/Brundrage fight though. Hopefully Cotto-Berto. Thats a fight.. Cotto would win easy. But it would definitely be entertaining


i think both fights would be interesting. i don't think berto is getting past bundrage though. i have a feeling.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 1 2012, 08:44 PM) *
that sum it up? dntknw.gif

You're good at summing shit up...or at least helping me filter my rant-like posts into something comprehensive for the masses. laugh.gif

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 1 2012, 08:48 PM) *
i don't think berto is getting past bundrage though. i have a feeling.

Aw shit guys....time to change your predictions....

I've learned the hard way with Professor! cool.gif Believe that!

Why didn't it register to me, that Berto was going up to 54 for this fight? Maybe I'm depending on his one big shot, just as much as he is. Lol. Let's see how this goes...
checkleft
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 1 2012, 09:07 PM) *
You're good at summing shit up...or at least helping me filter my rant-like posts into something comprehensive for the masses. laugh.gif


Aw shit guys....time to change your predictions....

I've learned the hard way with Professor! cool.gif Believe that!

Why didn't it register to me, that Berto was going up to 54 for this fight? Maybe I'm depending on his one big shot, just as much as he is. Lol. Let's see how this goes...

Who knows, berto started off at middleweight in the amateurs maybe his stamina issues will go away at 54? He is a pretty muscular guy. But his next fight is no walk in the park.
Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 1 2012, 11:19 PM) *
Who knows, berto started off at middleweight in the amateurs maybe his stamina issues will go away at 54? He is a pretty muscular guy. But his next fight is no walk in the park.

Oh crap, I thought he was fighting in the 150's...had no idea he fighting at 160. I knew he wasn't a small guy (as we all see), but 160?! I need to do some research before I post. I know Bradley was fighting at 152, so this may be true.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 1 2012, 09:07 PM) *
You're good at summing shit up...or at least helping me filter my rant-like posts into something comprehensive for the masses. laugh.gif


Aw shit guys....time to change your predictions....

I've learned the hard way with Professor! cool.gif Believe that!

Why didn't it register to me, that Berto was going up to 54 for this fight? Maybe I'm depending on his one big shot, just as much as he is. Lol. Let's see how this goes...


i don't always get them right. laugh.gif i had a feeling chavez would stop martinez....damn did he come close!

berto used to fight at the weight in the amateurs. so did tim bradley. he should handle the weight well...it's his defense that concerns me. he's looked more and more like shit. he has the ability to be slick...i'm just not sure he has the right ppl to teach him how to.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:57 PM) *
Oh crap, I thought he was fighting in the 150's...had no idea he fighting at 160. I knew he wasn't a small guy (as we all see), but 160?! I need to do some research before I post. I know Bradley was fighting at 152, so this may be true.


they both fought at 152
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 2 2012, 01:56 PM) *
they both fought at 152

Yea they did, my bad they were both light middleweights. Idk hopefully for bertos sake the weight is the problem with his stamina and chin or else I don't see it holding up against bigger guys
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 2 2012, 02:35 PM) *
Yea they did, my bad they were both light middleweights. Idk hopefully for bertos sake the weight is the problem with his stamina and chin or else I don't see it holding up against bigger guys


i believe his stamina issues have everything to do with nervous energy and being too tense in the ring. the simple solution: relax and breathe. i guess it's easier said than done for most.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 2 2012, 03:47 PM) *
i believe his stamina issues have everything to do with nervous energy and being too tense in the ring. the simple solution: relax and breathe. i guess it's easier said than done for most.

That sounds sort of like Devon Alexanders problem too
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 2 2012, 08:47 PM) *
i believe his stamina issues have everything to do with nervous energy and being too tense in the ring. the simple solution: relax and breathe. i guess it's easier said than done for most.


that's usually a problem for people who have just started to box, it's not really a good sign when your a professional fighter having that problem. being too tense in the ring creates a world of problems from lack of focus to stamina issues.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 2 2012, 03:47 PM) *
i believe his stamina issues have everything to do with nervous energy and being too tense in the ring.



QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 2 2012, 06:02 PM) *
being too tense in the ring creates a world of problems from lack of focus to stamina issues.

Reminds me of that scene from Diggstown, when the guy kept passing gas after the fight started, because he was hella nervous. Lol
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 2 2012, 05:01 PM) *
That sounds sort of like Devon Alexanders problem too


plus devon uses a lot of energy with his style. hard to do for 12 full rounds.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 2 2012, 06:02 PM) *
that's usually a problem for people who have just started to box, it's not really a good sign when your a professional fighter having that problem. being too tense in the ring creates a world of problems from lack of focus to stamina issues.


u'd be surprised how many fighters have this simple problem. even the great george foreman had it coming up. he was a beast....until he came across ali. he credits a big part of his success in the comeback to being more relaxed and pacing himself.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 2 2012, 07:26 PM) *
Reminds me of that scene from Diggstown, when the guy kept passing gas after the fight started, because he was hella nervous. Lol


that's real! laugh.gif i had a guy who every time he was getting ready to fight...he had stomach issues. he threw up one time before a fight. nerves will get the best of them.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 3 2012, 12:30 AM) *
u'd be surprised how many fighters have this simple problem. even the great george foreman had it coming up. he was a beast....until he came across ali. he credits a big part of his success in the comeback to being more relaxed and pacing himself.


tbh a few mates had that problem even after fighting quite a few times, i never understood why. I mean my first fight ever I gassed so quickly, no idea why and this was just a normal 3 round fight lol. but after that it was just comfortable being in there
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 3 2012, 01:30 PM) *
tbh a few mates had that problem even after fighting quite a few times, i never understood why. I mean my first fight ever I gassed so quickly, no idea why and this was just a normal 3 round fight lol. but after that it was just comfortable being in there


to be in a state of calm when the lights are shining....the crowd is roaring...and ur opponent is trying to take ur head off..etc..etc.. is not something u can practice. all those things add up to serious pressure that would make some of the strongest men break. it takes a certain demeanor and ability to perform under extreme pressures to thrive in situations like that. u know it when u see it...but trying to become that...or trying to develop that in a fighter is not easy. experience is the best teacher.
frankypc
Going back to Cotto, today i read in our local newspaper (el nuevo dia) that Cotto is going to Big Bear for 22 days for high altitude training, that shows he is taking this fight very serious. Cotto alwas prepared to fight in PR or in Florida. Im puertorrican and it has always struck me that PR Boxers lately they dont commit to developing stamina as it should (in my humble opinion).

Tito Trinidad was a limited fighter (i even admit to that) and one if the things that carried him was that mofo had such great stamina, and his recovery between rounds was second to none. Obviously he had a great team of sports doctors that helped him with that.

daprofessor
QUOTE (frankypc @ Oct 6 2012, 07:33 AM) *
Going back to Cotto, today i read in our local newspaper (el nuevo dia) that Cotto is going to Big Bear for 22 days for high altitude training, that shows he is taking this fight very serious. Cotto alwas prepared to fight in PR or in Florida. Im puertorrican and it has always struck me that PR Boxers lately they dont commit to developing stamina as it should (in my humble opinion).

Tito Trinidad was a limited fighter (i even admit to that) and one if the things that carried him was that mofo had such great stamina, and his recovery between rounds was second to none. Obviously he had a great team of sports doctors that helped him with that.


that is great news. high altitude training definitely works.

as far as trinidad being a limited fighter...i wouldn't agree with that. he was capable of boxing and doing many things...the limit was in the corner where they never seemed to have great advice for the adjustments he needed to make to win.
neophyte7
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 8 2012, 06:47 PM) *
that is great news. high altitude training definitely works.

as far as trinidad being a limited fighter...i wouldn't agree with that. he was capable of boxing and doing many things...the limit was in the corner where they never seemed to have great advice for the adjustments he needed to make to win.



Trinidad capable of boxing... I never recall him displaying any boxing ability whatsoever, yet your great boxing mind is respected here and I only ask for the examples of this boxing ability he was capable of...
daprofessor
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Oct 8 2012, 06:14 PM) *
Trinidad capable of boxing... I never recall him displaying any boxing ability whatsoever, yet your great boxing mind is respected here and I only ask for the examples of this boxing ability he was capable of...


here u go...




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