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mitukczuk
It's been a long time since some young fighter amazed me, but hell....Danny Garcia did it.

Although Morales is on a clear decline and should retire before they fine and ban his ass from boxing. (No disrespect intended, hes still ERIK MORALES), I liked Garcia in that fight. Especially that thunderous LEFT.
Khan has some holes in his arsenal...and I think these won't be filled any time soon even with the guidance of Hunter, but he is a game and technically sound fighter with potential (damn, saying that hurts), Garcia still taxed his ass, clocked him with another left, kept calm while Khan was break dancin' all over the freaking squared circle and still managed to put up a meassured and humble interview afterwards.

What I am trying to say is, I really like the kid. He is not over the top cocky, got some skills (needs to improve some things of course), has nice amateur resume, PHILLY represent, he can fight, he can talk...I hope he stays on top of the world for a loooong time. Not a P4P material, but makes a good champ in my eyes.

Thoughts ?
mgrover
we'll see how he deals with lucas mat i cant spell his name for shit
p4pcrown
I'd like to see Garcia vs Broner. If he gets past Demarco which he will, and easily..I'd like to see him make that jump and fight Garcia. They're both young, undefeated, and exciting fighters. That 0 has got to go!...I think Broner wins this fight if it's made.
Marcus
QUOTE (p4pcrown @ Oct 21 2012, 11:56 AM) *
I'd like to see Garcia vs Broner. If he gets past Demarco which he will, and easily..I'd like to see him make that jump and fight Garcia. They're both young, undefeated, and exciting fighters. That 0 has got to go!...I think Broner wins this fight if it's made.

Too soon to make any assumptions for Broner. His best quality opposition was Ponce who came up in weight to fight him and that fight was iffy even though i think Broner pulled it out. Lets see how Broner fares against a few people in this weight class first. Then we can talk about him competing at 140. I do however believe GBP and Al Haymon are building Broner and Garcia for a possible showdown at welterweight in the distant future for a megafight. Mayweather-Cotto 2.0

As for Danny Swift id love to see him against Matthyse, Rios, Judah. Those would be exciting fights.
Question: WHY hasnt Peterson been stripped of his title yet?! Hes not active! Give that belt to an active 140er!
mitukczuk
I think Borner would outbox the hell out of him. Mismatch in my eyes.

Anyways, I know he is still untested and needs to fight better opposition than Morales, but my point is...what a champ.
Marcus
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Oct 21 2012, 12:50 PM) *
I think Borner would outbox the hell out of him. Mismatch in my eyes.

Anyways, I know he is still untested and needs to fight better opposition than Morales, but my point is...what a champ.


Possible but i doubt it. Danny Garcia is POWERFUL... not to mention garcia has beaten the better opposition. Its too soon to call it. Let Broner prove himself at lightweight first against DeMarco and Burns.
wolterb
QUOTE (Marcus @ Oct 21 2012, 12:54 PM) *
Possible but i doubt it. Danny Garcia is POWERFUL... not to mention garcia has beaten the better opposition. Its too soon to call it. Let Broner prove himself at lightweight first against DeMarco and Burns.


I agree. Broner looks to have lots of potential. Maybe he'd be the better boxer. But there is no saying how the fight would go once Garcia landed a few good ones.
Cshel86
Whew...thought this was a Garcia vs Mayweather thread. Lol

Good stuff Mit!
mitukczuk
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 21 2012, 12:21 PM) *
Whew...thought this was a Garcia vs Mayweather thread. Lol

Good stuff Mit!


Waay ahead of ya ! Nah, that topic is not yet to be opened, since Garcia really hasn't earned anything close to Money May.

Still though, I will be taking a close look at Garcia's career from this point on. He has gained a new fan in me with his recent performances in and outside of the ring - no matter the opposition. Hope the future is bright for him.
checkleft
QUOTE (mgrover @ Oct 21 2012, 10:34 AM) *
we'll see how he deals with lucas mat i cant spell his name for shit

He won't fight Lucas. Post fight he said something to the extent of "I don't think matthysse is that good, he don't even have a belt" which is one of the dumber things I've heard him say.

I'm pretty high on Danny but I don't think he can beat lamont, im pretty sure he can beat zab barring a big upset, I think he can beat rios, and even though I'm a huge Lucas fan I think it can go either way but I have yet to see danny pressured or hit by a big puncher and I've seen Lucas take huge shots from ajose and soto.
p4pcrown
Garcia has shown he can be beat and easily hit. Khan was having his way with Garcia but he became careless and paid the price. Neither Broner or Garcia has really faced any stiff competition but I see Broner being the more successful fighter. Styles make fights and I think Garcia should fight Rios or Matthysse and Broner should fight Gamboa.
daprofessor
garcia is a very solid fighter. he's nothing flashy...but he's strong and he knows how to win. ppl will continue to dismiss him because he doesn't have flash...but i can see him beating a lot of the opposition out there. i'd love to see him fight matthysse but i'd rather see him unify first.
Marcus
QUOTE (p4pcrown @ Oct 21 2012, 03:18 PM) *
Garcia has shown he can be beat and easily hit. Khan was having his way with Garcia but he became careless and paid the price. Neither Broner or Garcia has really faced any stiff competition but I see Broner being the more successful fighter. Styles make fights and I think Garcia should fight Rios or Matthysse and Broner should fight Gamboa.

Broner is to big for Gamboa at this point. Id like to see Gary Russell Jr. vs Gamboa
Marcus
Garcia might as well clean up the division before moving up to WW. The experience would help him because he has some holes in his game. Id like to see him fight

1. Matthyse
2. Peterson
3. Rios
4. Lopez
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 21 2012, 09:06 PM) *
garcia is a very solid fighter. he's nothing flashy...but he's strong and he knows how to win. ppl will continue to dismiss him because he doesn't have flash...but i can see him beating a lot of the opposition out there. i'd love to see him fight matthysse but i'd rather see him unify first.



Screw the flashiness having that monster left hook is all the statement he ever needs to make.
p4pcrown
Danny Garcia vs Timonthy Bradley!!! Bradley can still fight at junior welterweight and he's not getting any big name welterweights anytime soon so they might as well make it happen! I'm not sure if Top Rank and GBP could get the deal done but it's still a fight to think about.
Gambit808
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 21 2012, 01:21 PM) *
Whew...thought this was a Garcia vs Mayweather thread. Lol

Good stuff Mit!

Lol, definitely the first thing I thought also when first looking at the title.

Danny Garcia I give kudos to, he came in there showing more maturity against Morales than in the first fight with him, and that was to be expected in the rematch (though not by me I'll admit). What I'm sold on him with so far is his simply his power and composure & timing, that left hook lets people know this dudes from philly, and like most of you guys I'd like to see him get in there with a guy like Mattysse or Maidana.

I'm wondering though, if this kid is a bit more versatile than jus sitting waiting to counter off opponents mistakes. What happens if he gets in there with a guy that can neutralize his strengths with speed and better defense than his last 2 opponents... Hint,hint a guy like Adrian Broner.
Gambit808
QUOTE (Marcus @ Oct 21 2012, 04:24 PM) *
Broner is to big for Gamboa at this point. Id like to see Gary Russell Jr. vs Gamboa

GRJ need a few more fights for this fight to be more Realistic, but fuck it, I like the idea.
Gambit808
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Oct 21 2012, 02:18 PM) *
Garcia really hasn't earned anything close to Money May.

Agreed
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 21 2012, 03:06 PM) *
garcia is a very solid fighter. he's nothing flashy...but he's strong and he knows how to win. ppl will continue to dismiss him because he doesn't have flash...but i can see him beating a lot of the opposition out there. i'd love to see him fight matthysse but i'd rather see him unify first.

I have to disagree with you here pro. Just like with donaire, in an age where belts mean next to nothing fuck unifying and fight somebody. I like Danny but zab isn't his mandatory Lucas is. Zab needs to fight lamont and the winners should face off, this was a relatively easy fight for Danny after taking on some stiff competition. And I mean holt is a poor man's Judah and I believe Danny handled him pretty well
BigFightFan
QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 21 2012, 05:46 PM) *
I have to disagree with you here pro. Just like with donaire, in an age where belts mean next to nothing fuck unifying and fight somebody. I like Danny but zab isn't his mandatory Lucas is. Zab needs to fight lamont and the winners should face off, this was a relatively easy fight for Danny after taking on some stiff competition. And I mean holt is a poor man's Judah and I believe Danny handled him pretty well

Twitter is going crazy asking for Judah vs Garcia, but I don't Judah can handle the pressure, power, and body shots vs Garcia. I wouldn't mind seeing Garcia vs Peterson though. Peterson has resolve and determination unlike Judah.
Cshel86
Great thread Mit!

One thing that turns my stomach, is reading Broner and GR Jr.'s name in this thread. C'mon guys, let's be REAL hardcore fans about the situation. Let's look just a bit harder in the divisions, and look for other names that these guys can fight.

They can't fight top name after top name, they would peak out waaaay too quick. Me reading all of these "names" being mentioned as potential fights (aka fantasy fights), makes me wonder who's really a hardcore fan. I mean seriously, who else are these guys supposed to fight after they take on all of these names?

Last time I checked, guys who took on top name after top name, they were actually being sacrificed, not built up as the next big thing. Most of these guys are still growing with each other, guys like; Garcia, Peterson, Matthysse, Khan, Alexander, Broner, Russell Jr., just to name a few, these fantasy fights (aka crossroads fights) will happen one day, but some of these wished-upon fights, will not happen this soon.

I'm with Professor on this one, let Garcia unify the division. Please. Again, you have to question whose truly a hardcore fan, by all of these "make it happen" requests. Please! Some of these fight fans call themselves fans of the top fighters (Floyd and Manny), but fail to compute the fact that these guys were running through divisions and eaking it out with some of the best out there.

Floyd ran through the 130 lb division, and was king of the lightweight division. Did he have to fight casamayor, tyszu (sp), and some of those other guys? People may have wanted to see it, but here's the question...where are those guys now? The guys that they were "supposed" to fight? Most of those fights fell apart because of money. Pacquiao had a trilogy with Morales, two fight with JMM, and 2 Barrera fights, before he broke into stardom. He also fought some not-as-tough guys during that time as well.

Point is, let these fighters build themselves up and clean out these divisions.

Broner: Jesus Christ, some guys already have Broner at fuckin' welterweight beating guys, and he hasn't even proved anything in his debut division (130), and hasn't even walked to the ring for his lightweight debut. We cant be THAT silly, can we?

GRJr: GR Jr. hasn't done shit, so I don't even know why his name is being brought up. Sadly for him, he's in a Donaire-type situation where there isn't many big fights in his division. This dude needs to be built up from FNF and ShoBox only, leave HBO and big time Showtime cards alone. Haymon is doing a shitty job with him, and we hardly even get to see him fight.

Gamboa: Dude hasn't done anything either, and his clock is ticking.

Matthysse: He's a solid fighter, but dude has JUST started getting an ounce of the attention that he deserves. He headlined a card (Alexander/Bailey) by default, so I wouldn't give him this much credit or go off saying that he "deserves this and deserves that". He's a good fighter, in a bad position.

Honestly, how would it look if Matthysse beats Garcia, and is the unified champ? What would they do with his image? How would that look? They're having a hard enough time with Danny's image as it is. Matthysse will be one of those guys who fights hard, and rarely gets the recognition/opportunity that he seeks. We've seen it before fight fans.

Judah: Hell no. He has a puncher's chance at beating Danny, and no way in fuck I ever want to see this dude as champ again. Imagine him beating Garcia, being the unified champ, JUST to lose that shit in his next fight. I can see some fuckery now, Judah wins the titles, and they weasel Khan back in the picture to beat him again. Khan wins the titles, vacates, and chases Floyd again. Judah...hell no.

Peterson: Yes. We get to see how Danny does against a good boxer, and his lack of power wont be much of a threat to Danny. I see this one being a show for the people. Now THIS fight can be made at the Barclay's Center, and have fans from Philly, NY, and D.C. can you say, ticket seller?

Khan: I'm not concerned with him, really I'm not. I still like him, but no. He's had the big stage more than a few times, and we see what he's made of. He can still go back to his country and make the same (if not more) money there.

He's been outgunned, and all he can so come up with is excuses. One thing I did appreciate about him, was the fact that it appeared as if he was going to clean out the division, til he started sucking Mayweather's dick and riding his tail. We've seen the best fall because of this. Real champs take responsibility for their shortcomings, Khan doesn't, which proves that he'll always come up short.

I like Garcia, and no he doesn't have to be flashy. Some of you guys miss out on quality boxing because the matchup or the fighter, isn't or doesn't appear to be flashy. That's that Floyd and Manny syndrome, some of yall gotta get that out of your systems. Lol

Some of the best fighters over the years, haven't been all that flashy, but as Danny Garcia does, he knows how to win. I mean seriously, doesn't he look good with all of those belts? C'mon man! How many guys have we seen unify a fuckin' division? Hardly any.

I don't want to hear anything about Danny not doing or having enough, to step in the ring with Floyd. I'm not rushing that fight, and I could care less if it happened, guys need to peep these trends. Bradley hadn't fully proved himself (image wise), but he was the unified champ at 140. Guess who he got a chance to fight? Do I really need to say it?

We need to appreciate and make the most of what's being put out there...well at least TRUE boxing fans have learned to do that over the years.

Somebody said that Garcia wasn't P4P material, but yet, mofos have Gary Russell Jr. at the top of their lists, and he hasn't even fought my grandma yet. Weird aint it? LOL. Seriously man? Hell, people have Broner on their P4P lists, and he looked like shit against Ponce, fought an unknown Argentian for the WBO strap, was about to fight somebody named Gary Sykes (or some shit like that), and he just fought an overmtached Escebedo...but this mofo is the best in the world to some of you guys? Pffftt...see why I dont' do P4P lists? The requirements are so sub par and subjective to the point that GR Jr. and Broner crack the list, and are considered great.

Great win for Garcia, and let's expect to see him with a soft touch or two, then some more challenging fights. Lucas WONT get his shot, scratch that off the list. He's too dangerous, and has nothing to offer image wise. If he happens to, then I'll gladly eat my words on that one.

Let's look out for a Peterson fight, since he and Zab wont be fighting any time soon. Khan may slip back in the picture again, since he's decided that he's a Jr. WW again...but had those Peterson and Garcia ass-kicking not happened, that mofo would've been an aspiring WW by now. laugh.gif
BigFightFan
You made some good points C-Shel, but I can't agree with everything you said. I agree Bronner, GRJr, Rios and a few others shouldn't be thrown into the equation as next opponents for Garcia. With that being said some of the fantasy match ups can quickly become a reality due to circumstances( money, injuries, availability, etc.) boxing is so unpredictable

In my opinion the Judah, peterson, FMWJr, and a Khan rematch fights are very possible. You were spot on with the analysis of a Judah and Peterson matchup but let me push my agenda for why a Mayweather fight might be possible.

1. As you said in a previous thread Floyd sits back and wait on someone to get hot, then step in to rock the cradle. Garcia is hot at the moment
2. Both guys are under Al Haymon, Garcia is signed with Golden and Mayweather works closely with them. Negotiation
should go smooth
3. Both are undefeated and the protein will be the the same as the Ortiz fight. A young lion with power challenging money for the crown.
4. Lenord Ellerbe was at the fight and I'm sure it was about business. Either they are trying to set up Ishe vs Quinlin or Mayweather vs Garcia.
5. Hatton was the recognized champ at 140 when he went up to WW to face Mayweather. Although Garcia wouldn't bring in the star power or fans that Hstton did.

It's not the fight I want to see, but I just have a feeling something is brewing between GBP and Mayweather Promotions. Lastly, why did you have to run everyone away from the thread with your last post? Lol
p4pcrown
Mayweather vs Garcia? That's a tailor made fight for Mayweather. Easy money. I hope they don't make that fight happen because I don't want to see it..however I will still watch it. If he can whoop Cotto for 12 rounds coming in at 147, with a cold, and hurt hand, imagine what he does to this kid at welterweight when he's healthy. Id rather see Garcia fight someone he actually has a chance of winning against. I think him and Judah makes for a good fight...although Judah is known to be a no show in big fights.
p4pcrown
I'd actually like to see Garcia fight Khan again...but only if Khan looks like a new and improved fighter after his debut with virgil hunter.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 21 2012, 05:46 PM) *
I have to disagree with you here pro. Just like with donaire, in an age where belts mean next to nothing fuck unifying and fight somebody. I like Danny but zab isn't his mandatory Lucas is. Zab needs to fight lamont and the winners should face off, this was a relatively easy fight for Danny after taking on some stiff competition. And I mean holt is a poor man's Judah and I believe Danny handled him pretty well


didn't know matthysse was his mandatory. that's a great fight! i think they're are the two best. if danny beats him....anything else is a step backwards. i'd like to see that be a huge fight.
EpTXCHAMP
Al Harmon is going to pick Judah hate to break to y'all....they see zab has a low risk high money (in Brooklyn) plus a chance to build Garcia's name...Peterson got over rated as a ticket seller in dc. As many sites reported khan drew a big part of that crowd being Dc has a large Pakistan population. Plus max boxing said about 1,000 tickets were comps.. Second Peterson being younger and not much of a name outside boxing die hards he may be labeled "high risk low reward"

Judah vs Garcia Brooklyn early 2013
EpTXCHAMP
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Oct 21 2012, 06:49 PM) *
You made some good points C-Shel, but I can't agree with everything you said. I agree Bronner, GRJr, Rios and a few others shouldn't be thrown into the equation as next opponents for Garcia. With that being said some of the fantasy match ups can quickly become a reality due to circumstances( money, injuries, availability, etc.) boxing is so unpredictable

In my opinion the Judah, peterson, FMWJr, and a Khan rematch fights are very possible. You were spot on with the analysis of a Judah and Peterson matchup but let me push my agenda for why a Mayweather fight might be possible.

1. As you said in a previous thread Floyd sits back and wait on someone to get hot, then step in to rock the cradle. Garcia is hot at the moment
2. Both guys are under Al Haymon, Garcia is signed with Golden and Mayweather works closely with them. Negotiation
should go smooth
3. Both are undefeated and the protein will be the the same as the Ortiz fight. A young lion with power challenging money for the crown.
4. Lenord Ellerbe was at the fight and I'm sure it was about business. Either they are trying to set up Ishe vs Quinlin or Mayweather vs Garcia.
5. Hatton was the recognized champ at 140 when he went up to WW to face Mayweather. Although Garcia wouldn't bring in the star power or fans that Hstton did.

It's not the fight I want to see, but I just have a feeling something is brewing between GBP and Mayweather Promotions. Lastly, why did you have to run everyone away from the thread with your last post? Lol



Al Harmon never matches his fighters against each other this all about Harmon's agenda.

Second Hatton had mad drawing power even Ortiz had some drawing power being Mexican American and having a following in Cali and Kansas that could travel to his fights or buy the ppv..IMO a fight with Garcia would be his lowest ppv numbers since his baldomir fight just based that he would be the only name. As a Brooklyn kid I know one thing over half the crowd last night was there for Paulie, Jacobs, kid chocolate, hell even bum ass collazo or salita put locals in those seats.. There was no buzz here for the main event that's why they were giving out tickets like crazy the last few days. Garcia no name status ain't going to get him a mayweather fight yet.
Cshel86
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Oct 21 2012, 08:49 PM) *
You made some good points C-Shel, but I can't agree with everything you said. I agree Bronner, GRJr, Rios and a few others shouldn't be thrown into the equation as next opponents for Garcia. With that being said some of the fantasy match ups can quickly become a reality due to circumstances( money, injuries, availability, etc.) boxing is so unpredictable

In my opinion the Judah, peterson, FMWJr, and a Khan rematch fights are very possible. You were spot on with the analysis of a Judah and Peterson matchup but let me push my agenda for why a Mayweather fight might be possible.

1. As you said in a previous thread Floyd sits back and wait on someone to get hot, then step in to rock the cradle. Garcia is hot at the moment
2. Both guys are under Al Haymon, Garcia is signed with Golden and Mayweather works closely with them. Negotiation
should go smooth
3. Both are undefeated and the protein will be the the same as the Ortiz fight. A young lion with power challenging money for the crown.
4. Lenord Ellerbe was at the fight and I'm sure it was about business. Either they are trying to set up Ishe vs Quinlin or Mayweather vs Garcia.
5. Hatton was the recognized champ at 140 when he went up to WW to face Mayweather. Although Garcia wouldn't bring in the star power or fans that Hstton did.

It's not the fight I want to see, but I just have a feeling something is brewing between GBP and Mayweather Promotions. Lastly, why did you have to run everyone away from the thread with your last post? Lol

Ha! Gotta love the response from BFF, cant deny it! You made some good points my man, I cant lie to you on that part. You're right, boxing is unpredictable and shit happens...hence the reason that we got a Khan/Garcia fight in the first place. Excellent point.

1. Yes Floyd is waiting for something to pop off, so he can step in and make something.
2. Al doesn't like to match his fighters, so that may be a bit of a stretch. I can imagine the negotiations would be smooth, but I dont see him matching them.
3. I like the undefeated part, and the Hatton comparison. Hatton did have a couple of WW fights, though they weren't the best opponents. Hatton had "money" written all over him.
4. Ellerbe may HAVE been there for that reason, or Quillin vs Smith. I didn't even think about a Quillin/Smith bout, good stuff.
5. I agree. Again, Hatton had a couple of fights at WW. Ortiz didn't have but one fight at WW, and he made the most of it. I can understand that part. I agree that he probably wont bring the star power, but I guess we have to see where we go.

I dont want to see the fight either, but hey we will see. I didn't mean to run everyone away with my post, I just have to make a point that us as boxing fans, cant have it both ways. We cant say that Broner and Russell Jr. are great when they have fought lesser opposition, and say that Garcia doesn't have what it takes to step in the ring with Floyd.

Bradley was the unified champ at 140, and got a chance with Manny, but Danny cant be the unified champ at 140 and get a shot at Floyd? Guys were saying that Bute was a bum, but they crowned Froch as great after he knocked him out. Cant have it both ways.

Your points are great, mine aren't all that bad, now that you've countered them (LOL)...I guess we'll have to see what happens in the next few months. cool.gif
BigFightFan
QUOTE (EpTXCHAMP @ Oct 21 2012, 09:33 PM) *
Al Harmon is going to pick Judah hate to break to y'all....they see zab has a low risk high money (in Brooklyn) plus a chance to build Garcia's name...Peterson got over rated as a ticket seller in dc. As many sites reported khan drew a big part of that crowd being Dc has a large Pakistan population. Plus max boxing said about 1,000 tickets were comps.. Second Peterson being younger and not much of a name outside boxing die hards he may be labeled "high risk low reward"

Judah vs Garcia Brooklyn early 2013

Judah would be a good fight Garcia, a winnable one at that. Judah would be wise to move back up to 147 and try to land the malignaggi fight. That's the only fight I see him winning against guys at the top from 140-147
EpTXCHAMP
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Oct 21 2012, 09:18 PM) *
Judah would be a good fight Garcia, a winnable one at that. Judah would be wise to move back up to 147 and try to land the malignaggi fight. That's the only fight I see him winning against guys at the top from 140-147



I agree Paulie was exposed last night but I think GB is saving him for Hatton
Cshel86
QUOTE (EpTXCHAMP @ Oct 21 2012, 09:33 PM) *
Peterson got over rated as a ticket seller in dc. As many sites reported khan drew a big part of that crowd being Dc has a large Pakistan population. Plus max boxing said about 1,000 tickets were comps.



QUOTE (EpTXCHAMP @ Oct 21 2012, 09:49 PM) *
There was no buzz here for the main event that's why they were giving out tickets like crazy the last few days. Garcia no name status ain't going to get him a mayweather fight yet.

I agree that there was not much buzz in the Garcia/Morales main event in BK. It hardly made sense, if you ask me. On the flipside, Khan may have been the bigger draw in DC for the Peterson fight, but shit, he hasn't been selling as many tickets as people thinks he does.

Word is, Khan/Garcia and Khan/Judah didn't sell as many tickets as the public has been led to believe. A lot of those tickets were comped as well, so who knows. I cant say that Garcia will sell THAT many tickets, but Khan doesn't sell like that either.

I guess the excitement of either Garcia or Khan facing Mayweather, will come to the public's attention, and people will turn their attention to who had the better resumes and performances.
BigFightFan
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 21 2012, 11:06 PM) *
Ha! Gotta love the response from BFF, cant deny it! You made some good points my man, I cant lie to you on that part. You're right, boxing is unpredictable and shit happens...hence the reason that we got a Khan/Garcia fight in the first place. Excellent point.

1. Yes Floyd is waiting for something to pop off, so he can step in and make something.
2. Al doesn't like to match his fighters, so that may be a bit of a stretch. I can imagine the negotiations would be smooth, but I dont see him matching them.
3. I like the undefeated part, and the Hatton comparison. Hatton did have a couple of WW fights, though they weren't the best opponents. Hatton had "money" written all over him.
4. Ellerbe may HAVE been there for that reason, or Quillin vs Smith. I didn't even think about a Quillin/Smith bout, good stuff.
5. I agree. Again, Hatton had a couple of fights at WW. Ortiz didn't have but one fight at WW, and he made the most of it. I can understand that part. I agree that he probably wont bring the star power, but I guess we have to see where we go.

I dont want to see the fight either, but hey we will see. I didn't mean to run everyone away with my post, I just have to make a point that us as boxing fans, cant have it both ways. We cant say that Broner and Russell Jr. are great when they have fought lesser opposition, and say that Garcia doesn't have what it takes to step in the ring with Floyd.

Bradley was the unified champ at 140, and got a chance with Manny, but Danny cant be the unified champ at 140 and get a shot at Floyd? Guys were saying that Bute was a bum, but they crowned Froch as great after he knocked him out. Cant have it both ways.

Your points are great, mine aren't all that bad, now that you've countered them (LOL)...I guess we'll have to see what happens in the next few months. cool.gif


Totally forget about Bradley. Great point, I can't wait to see how this plays out.
Cshel86
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Oct 21 2012, 11:31 PM) *
I can't wait to see how this plays out.

Me too! I'm guessing that after January, we should have some results.
checkleft
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Oct 21 2012, 05:31 PM) *
Twitter is going crazy asking for Judah vs Garcia, but I don't Judah can handle the pressure, power, and body shots vs Garcia. I wouldn't mind seeing Garcia vs Peterson though. Peterson has resolve and determination unlike Judah.

Peterson is actually one of the guys I think Garcia has a small chance again. This guy is sort of like Garcia in the way that he's not flashy but you take into account that (I believe) he has the better corner and immensely resolve and determination he's a tough fight for anyone. I could see lamont doing what morales did to Danny in the first fight + a lot more and - the fading at the end. He's like the black marquez lol

I cant take Judah that serious because once he feels some power he goes into Judah mode (completely lost and in defensive mode)
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 21 2012, 11:26 PM) *
I agree that there was not much buzz in the Garcia/Morales main event in BK. It hardly made sense, if you ask me. On the flipside, Khan may have been the bigger draw in DC for the Peterson fight, but shit, he hasn't been selling as many tickets as people thinks he does.

Word is, Khan/Garcia and Khan/Judah didn't sell as many tickets as the public has been led to believe. A lot of those tickets were comped as well, so who knows. I cant say that Garcia will sell THAT many tickets, but Khan doesn't sell like that either.

I guess the excitement of either Garcia or Khan facing Mayweather, will come to the public's attention, and people will turn their attention to who had the better resumes and performances.


i hear the 'he isn't selling tickets so...blah,blah,blah...' all the time. what ppl fail to realize is that selling tickets to venues isn't the only way to generate money. danny is putting together a pretty good highlight reel and chances are his ko will be a candidate for ko of the year. i've not seen him in a boring fight yet. that's good for ratings...and i'm sure his viewership is going to increase which equals more $$$.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 22 2012, 02:54 AM) *
i hear the 'he isn't selling tickets so...blah,blah,blah...' all the time. what ppl fail to realize is that selling tickets to venues isn't the only way to generate money.

I agree that it's not the only way to generate revenue, but if the guy isn't selling tickets like it's being sold to the public, then that's just that.
HazConvictedFelonMane
It's nice to see that Angel Garcia is in favor of the USADA testing and is dead set on having all of his son's opponents undergo the testing. That's good to know. Danny Garcia seems like a good kid. When he talks I don't feel like he's an asshole or anything. His father was doing a lot of talking but that was to get inside the head of Amir Khan and force him to play right into Garcia's left hook. It worked so I can't say too much bad about him. This is war so whatever you can do to get a psychological advantage over your opponent, is fair according to the old saying.

I respect the fact that Garcia is the 140lbs. Champion of the World. The Ring Magazine Title is the title that says you are the best. Armed with that information, I know it will only be a matter of time before young Danny Garcia runs into a fighter who has the chin to stand up to the power, the will to stand up to a good body shot, the power/know-how to return fire, the heart to fight back if/when he gets hurt, and the where-with-all to follow up wisely. If he runs into a fighter who's totally dialed in and he's distracted even slightly, he could lose. Fighters like him who end fights with brutal knockouts can find themselves on the receiving end of a brutal knockout. It's how the game goes and karma lives within the sport of boxing. He can, and probably will be on top for a good long while. I think he has the tools to dismantle the world's best fighters on any given night. As long as he keeps his focus and fights to his strengths, he can be a force at 140. He's already the Champion of the World and the sky's the limit for Danny Swift. He needs to stay 100% dedicated because it doesn't get any easier if you want to hold on the lineal title.
daprofessor
QUOTE (HazConvictedFelonMane @ Oct 22 2012, 02:12 PM) *
It's nice to see that Angel Garcia is in favor of the USADA testing and is dead set on having all of his son's opponents undergo the testing. That's good to know. Danny Garcia seems like a good kid. When he talks I don't feel like he's an asshole or anything. His father was doing a lot of talking but that was to get inside the head of Amir Khan and force him to play right into Garcia's left hook. It worked so I can't say too much bad about him. This is war so whatever you can do to get a psychological advantage over your opponent, is fair according to the old saying.

I respect the fact that Garcia is the 140lbs. Champion of the World. The Ring Magazine Title is the title that says you are the best. Armed with that information, I know it will only be a matter of time before young Danny Garcia runs into a fighter who has the chin to stand up to the power, the will to stand up to a good body shot, the power/know-how to return fire, the heart to fight back if/when he gets hurt, and the where-with-all to follow up wisely. If he runs into a fighter who's totally dialed in and he's distracted even slightly, he could lose. Fighters like him who end fights with brutal knockouts can find themselves on the receiving end of a brutal knockout. It's how the game goes and karma lives within the sport of boxing. He can, and probably will be on top for a good long while. I think he has the tools to dismantle the world's best fighters on any given night. As long as he keeps his focus and fights to his strengths, he can be a force at 140. He's already the Champion of the World and the sky's the limit for Danny Swift. He needs to stay 100% dedicated because it doesn't get any easier if you want to hold on the lineal title.


well said.
EpTXCHAMP
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 21 2012, 09:26 PM) *
I agree that there was not much buzz in the Garcia/Morales main event in BK. It hardly made sense, if you ask me. On the flipside, Khan may have been the bigger draw in DC for the Peterson fight, but shit, he hasn't been selling as many tickets as people thinks he does.

Word is, Khan/Garcia and Khan/Judah didn't sell as many tickets as the public has been led to believe. A lot of those tickets were comped as well, so who knows. I cant say that Garcia will sell THAT many tickets, but Khan doesn't sell like that either.

I guess the excitement of either Garcia or Khan facing Mayweather, will come to the public's attention, and people will turn their attention to who had the better resumes and performances.



I agree khan cant sell in Vegas I also heard those fights did not do well at the gate.
Marcus
QUOTE (HazConvictedFelonMane @ Oct 22 2012, 02:12 PM) *
It's nice to see that Angel Garcia is in favor of the USADA testing and is dead set on having all of his son's opponents undergo the testing. That's good to know. Danny Garcia seems like a good kid. When he talks I don't feel like he's an asshole or anything. His father was doing a lot of talking but that was to get inside the head of Amir Khan and force him to play right into Garcia's left hook. It worked so I can't say too much bad about him. This is war so whatever you can do to get a psychological advantage over your opponent, is fair according to the old saying.

I respect the fact that Garcia is the 140lbs. Champion of the World. The Ring Magazine Title is the title that says you are the best. Armed with that information, I know it will only be a matter of time before young Danny Garcia runs into a fighter who has the chin to stand up to the power, the will to stand up to a good body shot, the power/know-how to return fire, the heart to fight back if/when he gets hurt, and the where-with-all to follow up wisely. If he runs into a fighter who's totally dialed in and he's distracted even slightly, he could lose. Fighters like him who end fights with brutal knockouts can find themselves on the receiving end of a brutal knockout. It's how the game goes and karma lives within the sport of boxing. He can, and probably will be on top for a good long while. I think he has the tools to dismantle the world's best fighters on any given night. As long as he keeps his focus and fights to his strengths, he can be a force at 140. He's already the Champion of the World and the sky's the limit for Danny Swift. He needs to stay 100% dedicated because it doesn't get any easier if you want to hold on the lineal title.

Excellent. Well said.
EpTXCHAMP
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Oct 22 2012, 12:54 AM) *
i hear the 'he isn't selling tickets so...blah,blah,blah...' all the time. what ppl fail to realize is that selling tickets to venues isn't the only way to generate money. danny is putting together a pretty good highlight reel and chances are his ko will be a candidate for ko of the year. i've not seen him in a boring fight yet. that's good for ratings...and i'm sure his viewership is going to increase which equals more $$$.



lol thank god you are not a promoter. Your company would fold in under a year haha.gif

Of course there are other ways to make revenue however the live gate is a HUGE part of that! HBO and Showtime only give you a set budget meaning they sign over a big check but its not like its a PPV where if you draw a higher rating you get more money. Bottom line Golden Boy knew Garcia aint even got full support from his own Puerto Rican people yet, so no way was he going to have Brooklyns! which is why you saw all these BK kids stacked onto this card to pick up the sales! I dont blame Danny but the fact is the main event was a kid from Philly vs an old faded Mexican which is why I think this card did not sell like the expected. If you remember DLH and Richard were saying in the early press conferences they expected 15,000 they got 10,000 with about 1,500 of those tickets being discounted or given away!
daprofessor
QUOTE (EpTXCHAMP @ Oct 22 2012, 09:34 PM) *
lol thank god you are not a promoter. Your company would fold in under a year haha.gif

Of course there are other ways to make revenue however the live gate is a HUGE part of that! HBO and Showtime only give you a set budget meaning they sign over a big check but its not like its a PPV where if you draw a higher rating you get more money. Bottom line Golden Boy knew Garcia aint even got full support from his own Puerto Rican people yet, so no way was he going to have Brooklyns! which is why you saw all these BK kids stacked onto this card to pick up the sales! I dont blame Danny but the fact is the main event was a kid from Philly vs an old faded Mexican which is why I think this card did not sell like the expected. If you remember DLH and Richard were saying in the early press conferences they expected 15,000 they got 10,000 with about 1,500 of those tickets being discounted or given away!


thanks for your attempt on re-educating me.

higher ratings get u back on the network and preferential treatment aka more $$$.

plenty of promoters don't hit their expected numbers but trust me...it doesn't mean they aren't making money.


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