they seem to do a great job of finding refs that do not notice his tendency to lead with his head and punch low...to the back...behind the head....etc. this guy is dirty and i am becoming more and more disappointed every time i see him fight. if you're good...u don't have to pull this shit. the ref had the best seat in the house and could see all of these things...but just refused to call them or deduct points. and since when is turning your opponent illegal??? mares punched moreno right in the ass in front of the ref...right before the knockdown. no warning...no nothing. even with warnings...he just kept doing the same thing he always does.

i think arum is too smart to let his fighters fight mares in california.

Man, that ass punch was classic..

I feel the same way. That dude had that stupid look in his eyes all night long, as if he knew that he was gonna get away with anything borderline illegal. I found it funny how the ref ended up taking a point away from Moreno, but not Mares.

He was leading with his head all night, but gladly, Moreno was able to use angles to avoid some of it. At this point, I just don't like Mares like that, though I'll still watch him fight. Bad officiating has enabled this dude to be a prick, then he has the nerve to play the victim when asked/criticized about it.

it didn't work because he wasn't able to get anything on it. i gotta give moreno major props. most would have folded under that pressure and dirty tactics...but he just kept doing his thing. i think after he watches the video he's going to realize that u can't fight a pressure fighter by moving all night. at some point u have to step into the eye of the storm and back them up otherwise...they'll just keep coming. he backed mares up more than a few times...but not when he needed to. mares would usually cease with his pressure when he was missing head shots...then moreno would pick him apart and slowly back him up. great fight even with the bullshit.

moreno is so damn slick and quick with those spin moves....i can't recall another fighter using them so well. i can't recall a ref admonishing a fighter for doing that either. it's as if he (the ref) wanted moreno to stand in the sand with mares. it's called boxing....not rock 'em sock 'em robots. he has legs...he used them.

Why did the ref take a point from Moreno? I truly cant remember, I just knew that it was going to put him behind on the cards. I agree, it seemed like the ref tried to make Moreno stand in there and fight, but he was going to have to do it sooner later anyway.

for pushing on the back of mares' neck when he bull rushed with his head.

I'm pretty lit up about this fight.. not only because mares was blatantly using his tactics but because HE should have gotten more than one point deduction which SHOULD have given moreno the win (because those cards were shit, way too wide). And then you give moreno a deduction?? I was pissed

that was a pretty hostile crowd too. i could see where the officials were swayed. they probably feared for their lives. seriously.

There are times when hostile crowds I think intimidate judges.

Jack

hmmmmmm....

anyone have the uk feed for this fight? i'd like to hear their commentary.

wish i did but i didnt stay up for it, its just disappointing shit like this still exists in the sport.

everyone that i've talked to all feel the same way but they are way more accepting than we are. smh.

Mares is straight garbage and like I said before, he is the dirtiest fighter in the game. The Ref was a Mexican Referee who did not call one single penalty on Mares but somehow found the gall to penalize Moreno for that so called "holding". When Mares finally fights a fighter with power who will be able to place uppercuts on his chin as he rushes in then we will be done with the King of Low Blows.

i think they intimidate judges, refs and commentators. anyone remember when hagler beat that one dude and the crowd showered the ring with bottles? not to hard to incite riots in those kinds of situations.

i used to think that was bhop...u may be right.

Yup,

When Hagler won the Undisputed Middleweight Title from Alan Minter.

Jack

that's the one! i remember watching that as a kid. crazy!