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Cshel86
Both guys cant see out of their right eyes...what a fight!

Berto looks like Martin Payne after the Tommy Hearns fight. LOL
Cheesey1
Credit to Berto. If he hadn't suffered the knockdowns earlier...

Great performance from both guys.
leonthegee
I'm in love with Broners bitch.
Cshel86
Guerrero cant possibly think that he's gonna piss his way through the WW division with all of this smothering bullshit...
Gambit808
Now I know what a black Asian looks like looking at Berto Lol
Genius
POS ref!!!
Cshel86
How many muthafuckkin' times were they gonna let Guerrero hit Berto after the bell??? WTF??? That's some bullshit as California nonsense.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:17 PM) *
Indeed he is...this mofo is on autopilot and shit...

That was undeniable proof of the ref's incompetence. Berto had put his hands down and Guerrero was still landing.
BigFightFan
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:40 PM) *
Guerrero cant possibly think that he's gonna piss his way through the WW division with all of this smothering bullshit...

Smothering and the dumb ass ref helped guerro a lot. Not to take any credit from his victory though
Cshel86
Please give both of these motherfuckers a pair of shades before the interview....please.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:44 PM) *
How many muthafuckkin' times were they gonna let Guerrero hit Berto after the bell??? WTF??? That's some bullshit as California nonsense.

Definitely. IMO, worth an investigation. Apart from those issues, a solid boxing match.

Hopefully they rematch. Congrats to Guerrero.
KOpower
The amount of late shots Guerro took was sickening. Completely sickening.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:47 PM) *
Definitely. IMO, worth an investigation. Apart from those issues, a solid boxing match.

Hopefully they rematch. Congrats to Guerrero.

Guerrero fucked up and got himself in a rematch-type situation...not gonna get him any closer to Floyd, sorry.

Thank you Berto...stand up for your shit, its not making excuses....just put that shit out there.
KOpower
The official was terrible. Guerro was fighting extremely dirty. Terrible.
Cshel86
QUOTE (KOpower @ Nov 24 2012, 11:53 PM) *
The official was terrible. Guerro was fighting extremely dirty. Terrible.

Thank you. The ref was shit, and Stevie Wonder knew it. All of those cuffing punches were uncalled for.
BigFightFan
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:47 PM) *
Definitely. IMO, worth an investigation. Apart from those issues, a solid boxing match.

Hopefully they rematch. Congrats to Guerrero.

They need to start taking points for mauling and holding, that shit shit was awful. I think I smell a rematch brewing.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:51 PM) *
Guerrero fucked up and got himself in a rematch-type situation...not gonna get him any closer to Floyd, sorry.

Thank you Berto...stand up for your shit, its not making excuses....just put that shit out there.

Even though Guerrero proved me wrong this time around, I'd pick Berto in the rematch. He needs to have more faith in the jab (and ask for a different ref.) next time and tune up a few other things, but I like his chances.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:57 PM) *
Even though Guerrero proved me wrong this time around, I'd pick Berto in the rematch. He needs to have more faith in the jab (and ask for a different ref.) next time and tune up a few other things, but I like his chances.

I agree. I hate when decent matches like this are made, and some couch-potato ref is officiating the fight. I mean how much of a piece-of-shit motherfucker ref can you be, to let things go down like that in a fight? California does it again...
VJones
Every time I see, hear, or read about Robert Guerrero, I dislike him more and more. That smothering, holding and hitting nonsense was nearly unbearable. And that ref...just ridiculous. Meanwhile, Berto redeemed himself for me by showing tremendous grit. There's still so much I think he could have been and might still be in his boxing career...and he's been disappointing...but for tonight, I'm proud of him and impressed by his will.

A rematch is all "The Ghost" is getting out of that performance....I found it interesting that Max asked him about a rematch and his response is Floyd. Smh. "Money" on the brain. Literally.
The Original MrFactor
GREAT FIGHT... The ref was a real dumbass. The end of the 12th round was really bad. DId Guerrero just not hear the bell. Why didnt the interviewers mention that. That was blatant and could have garnered a point deduction, if you ask me. The ref should have been right there as well.

As for the dirty tactics, they came from both sides. Nobody seems to mention the fact that Berto held Guerrero's arms at strategic moments inside, It went both ways. Berto should know better, its a fight dude. Berto is a horrible inside fighter, He only knows how to fight one way, no diversity in his game. If you take him out of his one trick, like Guerrero did, then you will see this result often when Berto fights.

As for the Ghost... Great victory. Ugly fight, but you did what you had to do to get the win. Should have stopped him so there's be no question and you can move on. The Ghost can still move on. I would have loved to see him in with Marquez. However Bradley is without an opponent, why not??? I think he beats Bradley...
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 25 2012, 12:00 AM) *
I agree. I hate when decent matches like this are made, and some couch-potato ref is officiating the fight. I mean how much of a piece-of-shit motherfucker judge can you be, to let things go down like that in a fight? California does it again...

The ref. sucked, but the two knock downs had Berto at a disadvantage. Abandoning the jab was also a bad move.
Franchize
Not trying to be a hater but I didnt see anything in Guerrero that had me walking away any more impressed with him. Both guys fought with a lot of guts but from a skill standpoint, I still don't see anything that warrants Guerrero talking the shit he has been. I can't take away the effort he put forth though. He worked in there. I thought he was being an asshole in the post fight when Berto was talking. Bertowasnt trying to make excuses. He was imply agreeing with Max and Guerrero threw a hissy fit. He was talking cash shit as if he didnt get hit all night himself. I had the fight WAY closer. I actually had Berto winning rounds 5, 10 and 11 unlike Lederman. I think the knockdowns were the difference. Both guys have huge holes in their games though. At some point Berto has to decide whether he wants to be a guy who's known for these drag out brawsl, most recently ending in defeat... Or is he going to utilize his physical gifts and start boxing liek someone with some ring generalship and IQ. I think it starts with changing trainers. I've seen his trainer drop the ball in too many of his fights. He kept telling him to squat and not lean all night. Maybe it was something they worked on that they thought would pay dividends but there were far more pressing opportunities and things to correct in that fight.

All in all, damn the fight and it's participants. I've seen enough brawls. I was hoping for a real boxing match. Either way, decent fight to watch. Both guys left it in the ring. The bigger matter to me was the horrendous officiating. Like seriously...WTF was that? Had to be one of the worst I've seen in a while. Guerrero held and hit all night. He was jamming his head into Bertos eye. Then, when he clearly made an effort to close the real estate and grapple, the ref takes away Berto's only defense by erroneously calling hit's behind the head and blaming him for holding. But the most egregious thing was the 15 punch combo he allowed Guerrero after the final bell. One or two in the heat of the moment...ok. But Berto had literally stopped fighting and Robert Guerrero was just tee-ing off for about 10 seconds str8.

Guerrero won fair and square...but Berto had every right to call the ref on his shit. That's not just itpicking. Guerrero's tactics were huge weapons in the fight. When their hands were free during the middle and end of the fight, Berto was lacing him with shots.
Franchize
LMAO at Broner saying "you can put me butt naked inthe jungle and some boxing gloves and I'm gonna come out with some Gators and a Mink lmaoooo had to catch himself lolI think Broner's antics are a bit staged at times but that one was clever for sure lol
mitukczuk
Damn, it seems like I missed out on a LOT ! Gotta wait till the fights are on youtube.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 25 2012, 01:41 AM) *
Not trying to be a hater but I didnt see anything in Guerrero that had me walking away any more impressed with him. Both guys fought with a lot of guts but from a skill standpoint, I still don't see anything that warrants Guerrero talking the shit he has been. I can't take away the effort he put forth though. He worked in there. I thought he was being an asshole in the post fight when Berto was talking. Bertowasnt trying to make excuses. He was imply agreeing with Max and Guerrero threw a hissy fit. He was talking cash shit as if he didnt get hit all night himself. I had the fight WAY closer. I actually had Berto winning rounds 5, 10 and 11 unlike Lederman. I think the knockdowns were the difference. Both guys have huge holes in their games though. At some point Berto has to decide whether he wants to be a guy who's known for these drag out brawsl, most recently ending in defeat... Or is he going to utilize his physical gifts and start boxing liek someone with some ring generalship and IQ. I think it starts with changing trainers. I've seen his trainer drop the ball in too many of his fights. He kept telling him to squat and not lean all night. Maybe it was something they worked on that they thought would pay dividends but there were far more pressing opportunities and things to correct in that fight.

All in all, damn the fight and it's participants. I've seen enough brawls. I was hoping for a real boxing match. Either way, decent fight to watch. Both guys left it in the ring. The bigger matter to me was the horrendous officiating. Like seriously...WTF was that? Had to be one of the worst I've seen in a while. Guerrero held and hit all night. He was jamming his head into Bertos eye. Then, when he clearly made an effort to close the real estate and grapple, the ref takes away Berto's only defense by erroneously calling hit's behind the head and blaming him for holding. But the most egregious thing was the 15 punch combo he allowed Guerrero after the final bell. One or two in the heat of the moment...ok. But Berto had literally stopped fighting and Robert Guerrero was just tee-ing off for about 10 seconds str8.

Guerrero won fair and square...but Berto had every right to call the ref on his shit. That's not just itpicking. Guerrero's tactics were huge weapons in the fight. When their hands were free during the middle and end of the fight, Berto was lacing him with shots.

Yeah, a new trainer might (should) be the move for Andre. As would keeping his father and brother out of his corner.
Jovi
I couldn't even be happy for Guerrero winning, he's too much of a scrub. That blatant cheating is something i cant fuck with. that referee was reminding me of "Dont be a menace" with how much he was sweating berto for what he was doing when Guerrero was the one doing the cheap shit.

Berto with both eyes swollen, 2 BS knockdowns, everything is the ring was against him. He could've gave up or even just been like"Fuck that" and just throw some lowblows or elbows on purpose, I was thinking i wouldve in the situation he was in. We could see into his soul, i seen all that heart he had, i was honestly surprised to see him keep standing by the 12th round. all i could gain was more respect for him.

Ortiz gets more respect from me for his Win than guerrero does against berto.

Berto needs much more work on the Shoulder roll defense. more jabs to the body with the over hand or straight right wouldve done the job. He needs to do more body shots. He's got too much power for someone to punk him around like that. Alot of talent that needs more skills. Love that right uppercut. he looks he's about to hit someone's head off.
mitukczuk
I have just started watching the fight...1st round impressions - Guerrero dirty as fuck, ref sucks major balls, Berto using the shoulder roll ? What the....
BoxingFan86
How were the 2 knockdowns not illegal? I mean, both times Guererro intentionally held the back of Berto's head while he punched him with his other hand, but Berto was the one bein' warned. Speakin' of the ref, he was horrible. Don't even get me started on the end of the 12th round. In Guererro's defense, I don't think he heard the bell. Oh, yeah...Bwahahaha at the Martin Payne comment.
Gambit808
Ya know after this FOTY canidate, just like Ortiz, Guerrero may get a shot at Mayweather.
Cshel86
I have yet to go back and watch the fight (while sober), so I'll save my reassessment and harp on what happened last night (what a loser I am). Nothing about Guerrero made me like him any more than before, after his performance last night. He commenced to smothering and was a complete jerkoff in the post-fight interview.

How can he cut Berto off, and he was allowed to speak during his interview? After being an utter piece of shit, he grabs the mic and goes into an obligatory, bullshit, religious-related, clean-up speech about his Lord & Savior. Dude, you were being an asshole like .02 seconds ago....kill that noise.

How many weight classes has Guerrero moved up? He's come from 122-147 with NO issues? He was getting hit flush by a full-fledged WW, and...nothing? Hmm...I'll be the first asshole to point the PED finger and make an assumption...just for the sake of being an asshole.

As someone mentioned earlier, Berto is too big to be getting punked around the ring like that. It's crazy how he just can't seem to keep the fight in the center of the ring, where Guerrero tried his hardest to avoid. Dude, work on your legs.

I just couldn't get with Guerrero's smothering, along with him grabbing Berto and punching him at the same time. I usually gripe about Berto clinching too much, but what else could he have done last night? He fought a dirty but determined Guerrero and the couch-potato ref who was on autopilot all night.

I kinda felt bad for Berto, but he needed a fight like that last night...to shake off the inactivity and prove that he's still a warrior. I'm not convinced that he's an elite fighter, but he can still hang with B-level fighters. He has A LOT of work to do, and he can start by getting a new trainer, or at least an assistant trainer, and get rid of that loud ass dad of his. I heard that Haitian mumbo jumbo all freakin' night...how annoying.

Anyhow, great fight, for what it was worth. I still think Guerrero gets fleeced by other WWs like Lopez, Ortiz (yeah...Ortiz), and Maidana (who has discovered the jab after all these years, lol).

PSA: Don't take this the wrong way, but after reading comments sections and other forums since the fight, I've seen waaay too many johnny-come-lately fans who are crowing Guerrero as their next Hispanic Hero because he beat Berto. C'mon man, some of those mofos were crying how tired they were of Guerrero months ago. He's NOT gonna get a Floyd fight, and if he does, I'll be surprised. Ortiz got the Floyd fight because he SELLS TICKETS, was built as the next Oscar, and he was the first to impressively beat Berto. Guerrero still has some heavy lifting to do, so he may wanna set his fights on Maidana or Lopez in the meantime.

Jack 1000
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 24 2012, 09:55 PM) *
What if someone pulled that skull mask off of that dude in the costume and he was Asian lol


Hahahaha!!!! Who is that dude?

Jack
Genius
Like to see Berto get with Cottos trainer....he needs some bounce in his legs.
Jack 1000
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 24 2012, 10:44 PM) *
How many muthafuckkin' times were they gonna let Guerrero hit Berto after the bell??? WTF??? That's some bullshit as California nonsense.


You know and it's getting worse! Even with experienced refs. We are seeing more and more local refs afraid to penalize the local guy!!! Solution? Bring in more international refs. Commissions are doing it for judges. But California, Nevada, Texas, they all want to use one of their own who NEVER penalizes the guy they are trying to promote. Lou Moret just made holding and hitting legal by his laid-back non-authority! Guerrero should have had AT LEAST 2 POINTS off for holding and hitting.

What a great fight! I had it 7-4-1 with an even 7th round!!!!! (For Guerrero)

Jack
Jack 1000
QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 25 2012, 12:41 AM) *
Not trying to be a hater but I didnt see anything in Guerrero that had me walking away any more impressed with him. Both guys fought with a lot of guts but from a skill standpoint, I still don't see anything that warrants Guerrero talking the shit he has been. I can't take away the effort he put forth though. He worked in there. I thought he was being an asshole in the post fight when Berto was talking. Bertowasnt trying to make excuses. He was imply agreeing with Max and Guerrero threw a hissy fit. He was talking cash shit as if he didnt get hit all night himself. I had the fight WAY closer. I actually had Berto winning rounds 5, 10 and 11 unlike Lederman. I think the knockdowns were the difference. Both guys have huge holes in their games though. At some point Berto has to decide whether he wants to be a guy who's known for these drag out brawsl, most recently ending in defeat... Or is he going to utilize his physical gifts and start boxing liek someone with some ring generalship and IQ. I think it starts with changing trainers. I've seen his trainer drop the ball in too many of his fights. He kept telling him to squat and not lean all night. Maybe it was something they worked on that they thought would pay dividends but there were far more pressing opportunities and things to correct in that fight.

All in all, damn the fight and it's participants. I've seen enough brawls. I was hoping for a real boxing match. Either way, decent fight to watch. Both guys left it in the ring. The bigger matter to me was the horrendous officiating. Like seriously...WTF was that? Had to be one of the worst I've seen in a while. Guerrero held and hit all night. He was jamming his head into Bertos eye. Then, when he clearly made an effort to close the real estate and grapple, the ref takes away Berto's only defense by erroneously calling hit's behind the head and blaming him for holding. But the most egregious thing was the 15 punch combo he allowed Guerrero after the final bell. One or two in the heat of the moment...ok. But Berto had literally stopped fighting and Robert Guerrero was just tee-ing off for about 10 seconds str8.

Guerrero won fair and square...but Berto had every right to call the ref on his shit. That's not just itpicking. Guerrero's tactics were huge weapons in the fight. When their hands were free during the middle and end of the fight, Berto was lacing him with shots.


I would like to see MORE BRAWLS like that! I think people remember that more than skilled boxing, but it's a matter of viewpoint. I totally agree that boxing needs to clean up its officiating, because too many refs are not penalizing the local guys when point deductions are so obviously needed. Loved the fight, hated the ref. I thought the judging was excellent. However, I could see Berto maybe taking two more rounds that could have gone either way.

A close fight with the knockdowns being the difference, is still a good scorecard.

Jack
Cshel86
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Nov 25 2012, 02:29 PM) *
You know and it's getting worse! Even with experienced refs. We are seeing more and more local refs afraid to penalize the local guy!!! Solution? Bring in more international refs. Commissions are doing it for judges. But California, Nevada, Texas, they all want to use one of their own who NEVER penalizes the guy they are trying to promote. Lou Moret just made holding and hitting legal by his laid-back non-authority! Guerrero should have had AT LEAST 2 POINTS off for holding and hitting.

What a great fight! I had it 7-4-1 with an even 7th round!!!!!

Jack

Im not sure if I should stone the ref to death for being scared to penalize Guerrero, or throw that same rock to wake him up from autopilot mode. Solution? Bring in Kenny Bayless! When everybody else wants to screw up, just give the assignment to Bayless. I guarantee Robert wouldn't have gotten away with what he did last night.

I love matchups like last night's, but promoters need to be more sensitive about the fact that a formidable ref is needed in these fights. I didn't wait 2 months for this fight, just to see an incompetent ref ruin the flow of it.

Im not sure who's worse...California or Texas.

Texas:
Pascal/Cloud
Kirkland/Molina
Chavez/Rubio (drug test neglect)


California:
Dawson/Hopkins 1
Mares/Agbeko (Russell Mora)
Mares/Moreno

Im 110% sure I've missed a few, but I was just trying to make a quick point. Lol. Moret was horrible last night.
daprofessor
the ref really ruined that fight for me. his stern warnings and finger pointing to berto....followed by soft warnings to guerrero who was really dirty throughout....not a good look for the cali commission. i thought they were both guilty of holding, so i get how that one nullifies...but guerrero lead with his head all night and i didn't recall hearing any warnings for that. i was equally disappointed that berto had no answer for guerrero leading with his head. he should have been sweeping the head or pulling down on the back of his head to stop him from doing it. guerrero hit low repeatedly....the ref let him get away with murder and i forget which commentator said it...but yes, berto was fighting two men in the ring. if i'm an opponent of a golden boy fighter...there is no way in hell i'm going to cali to fight him after witnessing this bullshit and the way mares' opponents have been getting the short end of the stick. (see mares/darchinyan,agbeko 1&2 and moreno)

i thought guerrero could have won without all that unnecessary bullshit. he did control the action and did a great job of smothering. he took some hellacious shots from berto and kept coming. is it enoiugh to get him a shot at floyd? probably not...but i do believe he's carving out his place in the division. someone mentioned him fighting ortiz, lopez or maidana...i think he beats them all. i'd much rather see him face bradley. i'd favor bradley in that one.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 25 2012, 03:02 PM) *
the ref really ruined that fight for me. his stern warnings and finger pointing to berto....followed by soft warnings to guerrero who was really dirty throughout....not a good look for the cali commission. i thought they were both guilty of holding, so i get how that one nullifies...but guerrero lead with his head all night and i didn't recall hearing any warnings for that. i was equally disappointed that berto had no answer for guerrero leading with his head. he should have been sweeping the head or pulling down on the back of his head to stop him from doing it. guerrero hit low repeatedly....the ref let him get away with murder and i forget which commentator said it...but yes, berto was fighting two men in the ring. if i'm an opponent of a golden boy fighter...there is no way in hell i'm going to cali to fight him after witnessing this bullshit and the way mares' opponents have been getting the short end of the stick. (see mares/darchinyan,agbeko 1&2 and moreno)

i thought guerrero could have won without all that unnecessary bullshit. he did control the action and did a great job of smothering. he took some hellacious shots from berto and kept coming. is it enoiugh to get him a shot at floyd? probably not...but i do believe he's carving out his place in the division. someone mentioned him fighting ortiz, lopez or maidana...i think he beats them all. i'd much rather see him face bradley. i'd favor bradley in that one.

Same for me. This isn't the first time I've seen guerrero fight this way, he is a cheat.
BoxingFan86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 26 2012, 03:09 PM) *
Same for me. This isn't the first time I've seen guerrero fight this way, he is a cheat.

He uses a lot of dirty (veteran) tactics, but I wouldn't go as far as callin' him a cheat. Bernard Hopkins is guilty of this, too.
neophyte7
Berto needs Floyd Sr.. period...
Franchize
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 25 2012, 03:02 PM) *
the ref really ruined that fight for me. his stern warnings and finger pointing to berto....followed by soft warnings to guerrero who was really dirty throughout....not a good look for the cali commission. i thought they were both guilty of holding, so i get how that one nullifies...but guerrero lead with his head all night and i didn't recall hearing any warnings for that. i was equally disappointed that berto had no answer for guerrero leading with his head. he should have been sweeping the head or pulling down on the back of his head to stop him from doing it. guerrero hit low repeatedly....the ref let him get away with murder and i forget which commentator said it...but yes, berto was fighting two men in the ring. if i'm an opponent of a golden boy fighter...there is no way in hell i'm going to cali to fight him after witnessing this bullshit and the way mares' opponents have been getting the short end of the stick. (see mares/darchinyan,agbeko 1&2 and moreno)

i thought guerrero could have won without all that unnecessary bullshit. he did control the action and did a great job of smothering. he took some hellacious shots from berto and kept coming. is it enoiugh to get him a shot at floyd? probably not...but i do believe he's carving out his place in the division. someone mentioned him fighting ortiz, lopez or maidana...i think he beats them all. i'd much rather see him face bradley. i'd favor bradley in that one.

Terrific post! I too wont go as far as saying Berto lost because of the ref. Thats not fair to Guerrero. Who knows how he would have adjusted. That being said, Berto was fighting two people in there. He should have handled Guerrero head butting and all the hitting and holding better. A lot of that blame has to go to Bertos trainer. Berto is in the heat of battle, just regaining his composure after the knockdown, fighting Guerreros tactics and the ref, and barely able to see out of both eyes. Thats when you need your cornerman to be an extra set of eyes. I felt like his trainer dropped the ball yet again. For starters, I think Berto should have added a combination to that uppercut that landed all night. Maybe even double up with the uppercut. Also, Guerrero had a decent jab, but it was slow and he left it out there at times. Bert has fast hands. His trainer should have been telling Berto to be first with his own jab. There were so many things to be taken advantage of in that fight that Bertos trainer seemingly missed. But ultimately, the ref ruined that one for me.

Floyd Sr is great but I think, given Bertos personality, he needs a guy like Virgil Hunter or even Jeff Mayweather. Guys who are low key and will make him focus 100% on getting better as a fighter. With Sr, you have to already be disciplined. He isnt gonna teach you how to be professional. If you dont take yourself serious enoug with him, you just end like Hatton.
flazi
we all knew berto is chiny in the first few rounds and like we all thought, he was caught and stunned and put down. he fought back though with the heart of a lion and guerrero lived up to his last name. Still i wasn't liking the dirty tactics by guerrero and the ref flat out sucked. holding and hitting, leading with his head, low blows, hitting after the bell, etc. but like hopkins says "it ain't a tickling contest" lol. btw wtf was berto thinking with that awful copy of the mayweather defense?
Franchize
QUOTE (flazi @ Nov 26 2012, 06:39 PM) *
we all knew berto is chiny in the first few rounds and like we all thought, he was caught and stunned and put down. he fought back though with the heart of a lion and guerrero lived up to his last name. Still i wasn't liking the dirty tactics by guerrero and the ref flat out sucked. holding and hitting, leading with his head, low blows, hitting after the bell, etc. but like hopkins says "it ain't a tickling contest" lol. btw wtf was berto thinking with that awful copy of the mayweather defense?

Yea Bertos flapping chicken wing defense was rather peculiar lol.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 26 2012, 04:09 PM) *
Same for me. This isn't the first time I've seen guerrero fight this way, he is a cheat.


if my memory serves me correctly...he's been dq'ed for fighting dirty in the past. he's a very skilled guy who shouldn't have to resort to that bullshit. says something about his character imo.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 26 2012, 07:20 PM) *
Terrific post! I too wont go as far as saying Berto lost because of the ref. Thats not fair to Guerrero. Who knows how he would have adjusted. That being said, Berto was fighting two people in there. He should have handled Guerrero head butting and all the hitting and holding better. A lot of that blame has to go to Bertos trainer. Berto is in the heat of battle, just regaining his composure after the knockdown, fighting Guerreros tactics and the ref, and barely able to see out of both eyes. Thats when you need your cornerman to be an extra set of eyes. I felt like his trainer dropped the ball yet again. For starters, I think Berto should have added a combination to that uppercut that landed all night. Maybe even double up with the uppercut. Also, Guerrero had a decent jab, but it was slow and he left it out there at times. Bert has fast hands. His trainer should have been telling Berto to be first with his own jab. There were so many things to be taken advantage of in that fight that Bertos trainer seemingly missed. But ultimately, the ref ruined that one for me.

Floyd Sr is great but I think, given Bertos personality, he needs a guy like Virgil Hunter or even Jeff Mayweather. Guys who are low key and will make him focus 100% on getting better as a fighter. With Sr, you have to already be disciplined. He isnt gonna teach you how to be professional. If you dont take yourself serious enoug with him, you just end like Hatton.


his corner is a fiasco. why he keeps allowing his brother and pops in there yelling and disrupting is beyond me. i agree...he should have put something behind that uppercut and hook because it was landing big time. i also believe he should have known how to deal with guerrero leading with the head. it's obvious that lesson wasn't learned from the ortiz fight. very simple solutions....sweep the head or pull down on it. if the ref isn't going to call it...u have to make the adjustment to keep from getting butted.

as for coaches that can teach him something...there are plenty. aside from the obvious ones...i'd go with barry hunter. i think he can add a lot to berto's arsenal.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 26 2012, 07:33 PM) *
if my memory serves me correctly...he's been dq'ed for fighting dirty in the past. he's a very skilled guy who shouldn't have to resort to that bullshit. says something about his character imo.

Exactly my sentiment! He didnt need that shit to win. And then pouring on all that Christian bs after the stuff he pulled just rubbed me the wrong way
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 26 2012, 09:48 PM) *
Exactly my sentiment! He didnt need that shit to win. And then pouring on all that Christian bs after the stuff he pulled just rubbed me the wrong way



"i'd like to thank my savior and lord jeebus cripes....yeah, i told him i wanted to give him a beating all nite...i wanted to punish him." laugh.gif

this dude.... laugh.gif
Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 26 2012, 08:48 PM) *
Exactly my sentiment! He didnt need that shit to win. And then pouring on all that Christian bs after the stuff he pulled just rubbed me the wrong way



QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 26 2012, 09:25 PM) *
"i'd like to thank my savior and lord jeebus cripes....yeah, i told him i wanted to give him a beating all nite...i wanted to punish him." laugh.gif

this dude.... laugh.gif

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That was the wackest shit he could've done after being a complete jerkoff in that interview.

QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 26 2012, 06:52 PM) *
Yea Bertos flapping chicken wing defense was rather peculiar lol.

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Seems like Berto trained for a good 8 weeks, then watched Broner/DeMarco and decided..."bump that, let me try this shoulder roll shit". It was an atrociously confident effort on Berto's part, I just wanted to hide under a rock when I saw him using it. It was uglier than Alvarado's version of it.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Nov 26 2012, 09:25 PM) *
"i'd like to thank my savior and lord jeebus cripes....yeah, i told him i wanted to give him a beating all nite...i wanted to punish him." laugh.gif

this dude.... laugh.gif

Hahaha
Franchize
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 26 2012, 09:46 PM) *
Seems like Berto trained for a good 8 weeks, then watched Broner/DeMarco and decided..."bump that, let me try this shoulder roll shit". It was an atrociously confident effort on Berto's part, I just wanted to hide under a rock when I saw him using it. It was uglier than Alvarado's version of it.


When he started that shit, I immediately thought of Alvarado. I was like, why pick your big HBO fight to try some new shit? I think Alvarado's was worst though. He was literally rolling INTO punches lmao.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Franchize @ Nov 27 2012, 09:26 AM) *
When he started that shit, I immediately thought of Alvarado. I was like, why pick your big HBO fight to try some new shit? I think Alvarado's was worst though. He was literally rolling INTO punches lmao.

Exactly, why wait til then? I think Alvarado's roll a bit better and I disagree with him rolling into punches...his big ass head just couldn't be missed. That shit reminds me of one of those heads on those lego action figures...the pirate comes to mind first. Lol


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