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fightscoreollector
I thought Pac was looking good before Marquez landed the bomb. I want to see the 5th fight.

My score was 47-46 Pacquiao
CrazyBuffalO
Marquez was leading the fight even without the KO in the end. Thatís how they scored it here in the Philippines.
I mean I donít have anything against Manny as far as his person goes. Itís purely from his professional perspective (as a boxer) that Iím not really a fan of even though ironically I live and work in the very country he hails from.
mgrover
About same here i had Pac just ahead although the rounds were close
BrutUalBK
That was one of the best KOs I've ever!! Lol
Franchize
I had Manny winning rounds 1,4,5. I had Marquez winning 2,3 and I had him winning the 6th even before the KO. Manny fought pretty well. Before the first knockdown, I thought he was winning the round slightly. That first knockdown, his guard blinded him. Could have happened toanybody. He fought like Manny with the No Fear trunks after he knocked Marquez down. I just think he overestimated how hurt Marquez was. A lot of ppl did. Skip Clueless was saying Marquez survival was incredible and that he took soooooo much punishment. I didnt see it that way. Sure he got hit n Manny was coming but he didnt seem that hurt. He just seemed like he was trying to get his composure rather than his legs. He was trying to slow the fight back down. He knew Manny was beaming with confidence once the pace revved up.
checkleft
QUOTE (fightscoreollector @ Dec 9 2012, 07:29 AM) *
I thought Pac was looking good before Marquez landed the bomb. I want to see the 5th fight.

My score was 47-46 Pacquiao

Please stop that noise. We should have Paul Williams and sergio do it again while were at it, that was a heated exchange till it ended too no?

Had marquez up slightly at the time of the ko. But some were toss I felt one or two could have home either way. Good thing he didn't let it go to the cards it would have been close.... Again

Btw I liked how pac looked in the third fight better, very over aggressive last night very wild wide open. He was getting caught clean over and over, all marquez had to so was sit down on his shots instead of stepping back. Shit was bound to happen.
Marcus
Id love to see Marquez vs Broner. Marquez vs Garcia or Matthyse. Or Marquez vs Bradley.
fightscoreollector
cheers for the scores guys, will post all press and fans scores soon and will also be on the ukfighthype part of the site
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (fightscoreollector @ Dec 9 2012, 11:10 AM) *
cheers for the scores guys, will post all press and fans scores soon and will also be on the ukfighthype part of the site



For the record though I did have Panty, oops I mean Manny ahead by 1 point before he went night-night, LOL!
fightscoreollector
First off thank you for supplying scores for my fightscorecollector site (in the signature below)

I was able to get 146 Press and fan scores.

41 Press scores which a high percentage had Pacquiao ahead when stopped

Does the fact that Pac was ahead on most peoples scores, my stats had it 133-10-3 in favor of Pacquiao give him the right to demand a 5th fight??

JMM is a remarkable figter to comeback the way he did, at 39 he gained his best win of his career....i for 1 want to see a 5th fight. LOOK what i say at the end of my article, thats the reason i hope Pacquiao gets his chance

"Once and for all" - pacquiao-marquez 5
mgrover
am a pac fan personally and as much as i want pac to beat him, because i liked what i say the first few rounds he was actually outworking and boxing marquez, but i think that could do more to the fact with that marquez was a lot more conservative and waiting on that counter right hand.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mgrover @ Dec 9 2012, 05:43 PM) *
am a pac fan personally and as much as i want pac to beat him, because i liked what i say the first few rounds he was actually outworking and boxing marquez, but i think that could do more to the fact with that marquez was a lot more conservative and waiting on that counter right hand.



Honestly, there is no need for a rematch!! When Tarver KO'd Jones after their affairs who thought another fight was necessary after that devastating KO?? I didn't!!

At this point JMM will obliterate Manny again and every time after that if they were to go at it. Did Arguello need to define himself with Pryor after he was obliterated a second time? No! Some things in life are just better off being left alone, this is one of those things.
VJones
Perhaps it's because I had JMM winning fight 2 & 3 that I see no need for a fifth fight along with the fact that it doesn't get anymore definitive than a knockout....and dude was knocked-out cold by a well set-up punch, not some fluke or lucky shot...or it could be too that I've grown weary of the hype-job that Arum & Co. have turned Manny into (with lots of help from the media); taking a good and exciting fighter and creating this mythological unbeatable creature.

So I'm admittedly relieved that this nonsense is over and we can once again root for the real Manny Pacquiao -- a good and explosive but never complete fighter. I, frankly would like to see JMM vs Bradley or Rios instead. And I'd like to see PAC take a break...he's lost the psychological edge now in any future fight (be it with JMM or Rios or Bradley), so there's a good chance he'll get knocked out again. For sake of his health I'd like him to break from boxing and consider retirement. The top-rank hype machine has been good for his pockets and it's been a good ride. Maybe now's the time to close the curtain.

Btw, I'm puzzled by those pointing to the score-cards as reason for a rematch. There were 6 more rounds left in the fight for JMM to pull ahead or even dominate. I can understand this argument for a fifth fight only if PAC was dominating or ahead (with a wider score) in say the 11th or 12th round and then the knockout occurred (As in the case of Martinez/Chavez Jr. With Junior knocking Sergio out instead of just a knockdown). Then one could say: "Oh man, PAC was winning the fight entire until the knockout." Or if it was a fluke shot, which this wasn't.

I think people are being over-zealous. And it could get PAC hurt. Because he'll be gun-shy now, not so much because he was knocked out, but because: 1a. The manner in which he was knocked out lends itself to the idea that it was only a matter of time, because that shot is the same shot that has hurt him in 3 previous fights, now perfected. 1b. He was knocked-out cold, which is always traumatic. 1c. He was knocked-out cold after having been so exalted for the past 4 years by media and fans. It would be hard for Manny to not have bought into his own mythology. Therefore it makes this kind of humbling, very devastating
VJones
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Dec 9 2012, 09:15 PM) *
Honestly, there is no need for a rematch!! When Tarver KO'd Jones after their affairs who thought another fight was necessary after that devastating KO?? I didn't!!

At this point JMM will obliterate Manny again and every time after that if they were to go at it. Did Arguello need to define himself with Pryor after he was obliterated a second time? No! Some things in life are just better off being left alone, this is one of those things.


Agreed.
checkleft
QUOTE (fightscoreollector @ Dec 9 2012, 05:58 PM) *
First off thank you for supplying scores for my fightscorecollector site (in the signature below)

I was able to get 146 Press and fan scores.

41 Press scores which a high percentage had Pacquiao ahead when stopped

Does the fact that Pac was ahead on most peoples scores, my stats had it 133-10-3 in favor of Pacquiao give him the right to demand a 5th fight??

JMM is a remarkable figter to comeback the way he did, at 39 he gained his best win of his career....i for 1 want to see a 5th fight. LOOK what i say at the end of my article, thats the reason i hope Pacquiao gets his chance

"Once and for all" - pacquiao-marquez 5

Hahaha. What a contradiction... Wouldn't it technically be 5th and for all?
mgrover
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Dec 10 2012, 01:15 AM) *
Honestly, there is no need for a rematch!! When Tarver KO'd Jones after their affairs who thought another fight was necessary after that devastating KO?? I didn't!!

At this point JMM will obliterate Manny again and every time after that if they were to go at it. Did Arguello need to define himself with Pryor after he was obliterated a second time? No! Some things in life are just better off being left alone, this is one of those things.


Never said there was?
daprofessor
QUOTE (VJones @ Dec 9 2012, 09:07 PM) *
Perhaps it's because I had JMM winning fight 2 & 3 that I see no need for a fifth fight along with the fact that it doesn't get anymore definitive than a knockout....and dude was knocked-out cold by a well set-up punch, not some fluke or lucky shot...or it could be too that I've grown weary of the hype-job that Arum & Co. have turned Manny into (with lots of help from the media); taking a good and exciting fighter and creating this mythological unbeatable creature.

So I'm admittedly relieved that this nonsense is over and we can once again root for the real Manny Pacquiao -- a good and explosive but never complete fighter. I, frankly would like to see JMM vs Bradley or Rios instead. And I'd like to see PAC take a break...he's lost the psychological edge now in any future fight (be it with JMM or Rios or Bradley), so there's a good chance he'll get knocked out again. For sake of his health I'd like him to break from boxing and consider retirement. The top-rank hype machine has been good for his pockets and it's been a good ride. Maybe now's the time to close the curtain.

Btw, I'm puzzled by those pointing to the score-cards as reason for a rematch. There were 6 more rounds left in the fight for JMM to pull ahead or even dominate. I can understand this argument for a fifth fight only if PAC was dominating or ahead (with a wider score) in say the 11th or 12th round and then the knockout occurred (As in the case of Martinez/Chavez Jr. With Junior knocking Sergio out instead of just a knockdown). Then one could say: "Oh man, PAC was winning the fight entire until the knockout." Or if it was a fluke shot, which this wasn't.

I think people are being over-zealous. And it could get PAC hurt. Because he'll be gun-shy now, not so much because he was knocked out, but because: 1a. The manner in which he was knocked out lends itself to the idea that it was only a matter of time, because that shot is the same shot that has hurt him in 3 previous fights, now perfected. 1b. He was knocked-out cold, which is always traumatic. 1c. He was knocked-out cold after having been so exalted for the past 4 years by media and fans. It would be hard for Manny to not have bought into his own mythology. Therefore it makes this kind of humbling, very devastating



excellent post.
daprofessor
i had pac up before the ko.

interesting things i've noticed since the fight....

that ko came at the 1 second mark of the round. marquez stepped on his foot right before he ko'd him. none of that changes the beauty of the ko. it was set up well. i can't see it getting any better for pac. no need for a 5th bout. pac needs a long break and some very carefully selected return bouts if he's going to continue boxing. i hope he retires.
Jack 1000
I had it 47-47 all even, with an even first round. I wish they would allow 10-10 rounds around the world.

Jack
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