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Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Dec 16 2012, 12:23 AM) *
Khan is still kind of sloppy, caught a lot. He'sjust taking breaks In between

Agreed. He still caught during exchanges. For some reason (during exchanges) he throws two good punches and just pauses...not sure why. Help me out here if Im wrong.

Going into the 7th round, its pretty much a shutout for Khan.
checkleft
If molina had some more power this would be a different fight
Cshel86
Molina's corner sucks ass...period. They aren't giving him anything useful, other than threatening to stop it. I see the towel coming sooner or later.
Hotsauce
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Dec 15 2012, 11:48 PM) *
'Bama in the house!!

CShel, Alabama's ten times cooler than Georgia...



aww shit!!!

we in here!!!
VJones
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 16 2012, 01:28 AM) *
Agreed. He still caught during exchanges. For some reason (during exchanges) he throws two good punches and just pauses...not sure why. Help me out here if Im wrong.

Going into the 7th round, its pretty much a shutout for Khan.


Yeah, it's like when basketball players keep their hand up after making a shot. He's admiring his work. And that short lapse in focus can be costly.

QUOTE (checkleft @ Dec 16 2012, 01:35 AM) *
If molina had some more power this would be a different fight


True.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Dec 16 2012, 12:40 AM) *
aww shit!!!

we in here!!!

Haha! Nice one.

Now that's what I'm talking 'bout!
Cshel86
*Currently sorting socks*

This fight is boring as hell.

I think Molina's corner is gonna stop it soon.
VJones
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 16 2012, 01:37 AM) *
Molina's corner sucks ass...period. They aren't giving him anything useful, other than threatening to stop it. I see the towel coming sooner or later.


Yep.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 16 2012, 12:43 AM) *
*Currently sorting socks*

This fight is boring as hell.

I think Molina's corner is gonna stop it soon.

Man, you're only calling it boring because your arch-nemesis, Amir Khan, is winning.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Dec 16 2012, 12:45 AM) *
Man you're only calling it boring because your arch-nemesis, Amir Khan, is winning.

laugh.gif

He's just lulling me to sleep and Molina has pretty much given up.
Cshel86
Molina's corner stops it immediately after the end of the 10th round. Khan wins by TKO
Cshel86
Khan's such a douche...I knew he'd break his neck to call out Garcia after the fight. Freakin' loser...
VJones
Bernstein said it best: "an appropriate performance."

Night folks.
VJones
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 16 2012, 01:54 AM) *
Khan's such a douche...I knew he'd break his neck to call out Garcia after the fight. Freakin' loser...


Lol. Still no love for the king? C, he's supposed to call him out!! Of course he should have 'broken his neck' to call out Prescott after that loss too and didn't. Oh well. =)

Night.
checkleft
Khan looked good but he better shut up before Garcia folds him like a chair again.
Amandla
FAR too soon to see how WELL Khan is listening to Hunter.

Hope his big head keeps this in perspective.
BigFightFan
Damn! I passed out around the third round and it was over when I got up.
MaxPayne
I was pretty impressed with Amir Khan.

Immediately, you notice that his footwork and coordination has improved. His stance seems less wide and his steps are quicker and shorter, which is allowing him to keep his balance. Virgil seems to have done a great job here.

Additionally, the sequences where he fought Molina with his back to the ropes and up close, he showed some of those Andre Ward moves (creating a little separation and going in with short hooks and getting low to guard against the body shots).

Perhaps the most encouraging aspect of Khan 2.0 is that he doesn't lunge off balance when he tries to put punches together. The chin has better protection and isn't out there for a phantom punch to connect with.

If there's one criticism, it's that I wanted to see some more body work from him. With Khan's hand speed, he should be able to land the spear jab to the opponent's body at will. Had he focused on that, I think he could have gotten Molina out of there a few rounds earlier.

So far, it seems Virgil Hunter is doing a great job of getting Amir Khan back to where he needs to be. He's a talented guy with an enjoyable style, and Hunter may well be able to get the best out of Khan 2.0.
MaxPayne
Also, I believe that if this trend continues, when the rematch does happen, all of Angel Garcia's dumb fuck grandstanding won't stop his kid from getting the dog shit beaten out of him by Amir Khan.
mgrover
max put it best tbh. why shouldnt he call garcia out, but personally i think he needs another 2-3 fights to really settle in with virgil. its funny when people dont call people out there ducking everybody, when khan calls out everybody nobody listens.
Kratza
I'd rather hear "I wanna fight Garcia next" than "Oh well, i'll leave it up to my promoter and manager, they decide everything" any day of the week
sduck
QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 16 2012, 08:21 AM) *
I was pretty impressed with Amir Khan.

Immediately, you notice that his footwork and coordination has improved. His stance seems less wide and his steps are quicker and shorter, which is allowing him to keep his balance. Virgil seems to have done a great job here.

Additionally, the sequences where he fought Molina with his back to the ropes and up close, he showed some of those Andre Ward moves (creating a little separation and going in with short hooks and getting low to guard against the body shots).

Perhaps the most encouraging aspect of Khan 2.0 is that he doesn't lunge off balance when he tries to put punches together. The chin has better protection and isn't out there for a phantom punch to connect with.

If there's one criticism, it's that I wanted to see some more body work from him. With Khan's hand speed, he should be able to land the spear jab to the opponent's body at will. Had he focused on that, I think he could have gotten Molina out of there a few rounds earlier.

So far, it seems Virgil Hunter is doing a great job of getting Amir Khan back to where he needs to be. He's a talented guy with an enjoyable style, and Hunter may well be able to get the best out of Khan 2.0.

^this, right on the money.
HaydelHammer
Virgil Hunter taking on that father figure role....calm his ass down type trainer.

Amir wanting to prove so long...now he has somebody to calm his ass down and THINK.

we shall see.
Cshel86
I still think it's hard to tell if he made any major improvements, especially against that midget with no punching power that he fought last night. Khan talked about how he could take Molina's punch, but let's face it, Molina isn't a big puncher.

It's waaay too early to say that Khan made any major improvements...he just learned to relax a bit (as some of you mentioned). The whole calling Garcia out, was just a joke to me. I mean seriously though, Khan WAS winning the fight, but he got dumb/overconfident, and set himself up for failure. The crazy part is, Garcia may only be at 140 for 2 more fights, then he's gonna move up.

The reason that nobody listens to Khan when he calls them out, is because he doesn't listen to guys when they call him out...for a rematch. Khan still hasn't processed the fact that the Garcia loss was totally his fault. From the way he speaks of it, he just "made a mistake".

In all fairness, he did make a mistake, but if that's the case, why wont he give Maidana a rematch? Why wont he show off his new skills against a now battered Prescott. Im sure Maidana was thinking in his head, "Man, if I had only walked him down to the ropes in the earlier rounds, then I woulnd't have been too tired to finish him".

When Khan calls out guys, it's considered begging. When guys call out Khan for a rematch, he ignores it. He just needs a taste of his own medicine...and hopefully Garcia just ignores him and moves on. Again, Khan HAD Garcia beat, but his arrogance got the best of him. Put him in there with Prescott and Peterson... one of those two guys would've been perfect for him last night, rather than the no-hoper Molina...what was GBP thinking?

I'll hop on the "New Trainer of Hope" train, after a few routes, but it's way too early for me to board that train. I hope that people chill out with this hero complex of Hunter making Khan into a new fighter...we've seen this before. Once he's in there with someone who can challenge him (skill wise) and not allow him to do whatever he wants (like Molina did last night), then I'll make an assessment.
checkleft
They are saying he will fight josesito next, very risky fight for Khan
mgrover
QUOTE (checkleft @ Dec 16 2012, 07:11 PM) *
They are saying he will fight josesito next, very risky fight for Khan


But is it, am sure the dicking around in weight for Lopez will take some effect on his body.
MaxPayne
I don't think anyone is saying that the new Khan is a world beater. I believe we've just seen encouraging signs that he may well have addressed some of the issues he had while under Roach.

Yes, I understand the hatred that he gets. Then again, it's a little confusing...the guy has an entertaining style and hasn't been in a stinker of a fight for as long as I can imagine. He's also fought the best in his weight class and tried to get in the ring with any who remain.

He's the type of fighter who, like Manny Pacquiao, brings new fans to the sport and gets them interested in it. Old heads like us know that these guys, barring a Mike Tyson level athletic freak, generally get beaten by technicians like Floyd, but let's face it: Floyd is not an exciting fighter, per se. He's a fighter for the purists to enjoy. He doesn't keep new lifeblood trickling into the sport like other guys do.

You guys are claiming that you dislike Khan because he wouldn't give Maidana or Prescott a rematch. He beat Maidana rather convincingly in my opinion, even with the running in the last 2 rounds. Maidana hasn't progressed as a fighter, whereas Amir continues to get better. We'd get the same result. Prescott just lost to a few guys and needs to get back into winning before that match becomes a viable route.

Boxing is also about maximizing your revenue, so I understand that mentality.

Also, who is to say that had Amir Khan beaten Danny Garcia, that he would not have given him a rematch ? The short answer is, we don't know. The speculative answer is that given Khan's track record of facing top fighters, one could make a case that they would have made the rematch rather easily if necessary.

Yeah, I know, with Peterson, there was a whole lot of ruckus with that gumshoe detective looking motherfucker messing with scorecards and it was a valid complaint. So a fighter who lost a controversial decision doesn't have the right to clamor about it ?

We're talking out of both sides of our mouth right about now.
checkleft
QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 16 2012, 09:27 PM) *
I don't think anyone is saying that the new Khan is a world beater. I believe we've just seen encouraging signs that he may well have addressed some of the issues he had while under Roach.

Yes, I understand the hatred that he gets. Then again, it's a little confusing...the guy has an entertaining style and hasn't been in a stinker of a fight for as long as I can imagine. He's also fought the best in his weight class and tried to get in the ring with any who remain.

He's the type of fighter who, like Manny Pacquiao, brings new fans to the sport and gets them interested in it. Old heads like us know that these guys, barring a Mike Tyson level athletic freak, generally get beaten by technicians like Floyd, but let's face it: Floyd is not an exciting fighter, per se. He's a fighter for the purists to enjoy. He doesn't keep new lifeblood trickling into the sport like other guys do.

You guys are claiming that you dislike Khan because he wouldn't give Maidana or Prescott a rematch. He beat Maidana rather convincingly in my opinion, even with the running in the last 2 rounds. Maidana hasn't progressed as a fighter, whereas Amir continues to get better. We'd get the same result. Prescott just lost to a few guys and needs to get back into winning before that match becomes a viable route.

Boxing is also about maximizing your revenue, so I understand that mentality.

Also, who is to say that had Amir Khan beaten Danny Garcia, that he would not have given him a rematch ? The short answer is, we don't know. The speculative answer is that given Khan's track record of facing top fighters, one could make a case that they would have made the rematch rather easily if necessary.

Yeah, I know, with Peterson, there was a whole lot of ruckus with that gumshoe detective looking motherfucker messing with scorecards and it was a valid complaint. So a fighter who lost a controversial decision doesn't have the right to clamor about it ?

We're talking out of both sides of our mouth right about now.

The zab and mclosky fights sucked but you are very right he is very entertaining. I still don't like his footwork but hunter hasn't had him very long, I hope he makes more adjustments than we saw last night.
Cshel86
QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 16 2012, 09:27 PM) *
You guys are claiming that you dislike Khan because he wouldn't give Maidana or Prescott a rematch. He beat Maidana rather convincingly in my opinion, even with the running in the last 2 rounds. Maidana hasn't progressed as a fighter, whereas Amir continues to get better. We'd get the same result. Prescott just lost to a few guys and needs to get back into winning before that match becomes a viable route.

Also, who is to say that had Amir Khan beaten Danny Garcia, that he would not have given him a rematch ? The short answer is, we don't know. The speculative answer is that given Khan's track record of facing top fighters, one could make a case that they would have made the rematch rather easily if necessary.

Yeah, I know, with Peterson, there was a whole lot of ruckus with that gumshoe detective looking motherfucker messing with scorecards and it was a valid complaint. So a fighter who lost a controversial decision doesn't have the right to clamor about it ?

I agree with the rest of your post, but this particular stuck out for me.

Yes, Khan beat Maidana rather convincingly, I agree. The kicker is, Maidana ALMOST won the fight, in the only manner that he ever had a chance of winning it by...TKO. Khan ALMOST beat Garcia, but Garcia beat him in the only manner that he ever had a chance of winning it by...TKO.

The common denominator here is...Khan was WINNING both of those fights before he got careless. Now Khan wants a do-over for his mistake in the Garcia fight, but he wont give Maidana a do-over...kinda shitty, right? The thing is, had Khan beat Garcia, he wouldn't have looked twice at giving Garcia a rematch, had he requested one.

Instead, he'd have his nose in the air while chasing a Mayweather fight...fine, it's all about revenue, these guys dont do this for free, cool. NOW, Garcia could possibly have a shot a Floyd in the near future, while Khan is left picking up the pieces of fights that he got careless in. Life aint fair, and Khan knows that he got knocked down a couple of pegs, and nearly ruined his chances at a megafight.

Now this Maidana thing...hmmm, what can I say? I will start by saying that he HAS progressed. His last outing against Soto-Karass gave him a chance to display some type of improvement, and he was still able to brawl in spots. I cant say that Maidana hasn't known some decent boxing skills all along, he may have just been using what was working for him...even when it didn't appear to (if that makes any sense).

He and Amir are in the same boat...both of them had some type of boxing skill, but got lost in their ways after a while. This is the best time for Khan to fleece Prescott, while he's a bit battered and still has something in the tank. That fight shouldn't be too hard to make, though I forget who promotes Prescott. A Peterson rematch is ripe for the picking, being the fact that the purse bid for the failed Judah/Peterson fight was only a measly $70k. Im sure Peterson would be willing to take less money this time around, but he is still the IBF champ, so Im not sure how negotiations would go.

LMAO at the "gumshoe detective looking motherfucker" who got in the way of the Khan/Peterson decision. laugh.gif
MaxPayne
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 17 2012, 01:40 AM) *
I agree with the rest of your post, but this particular stuck out for me.

Yes, Khan beat Maidana rather convincingly, I agree. The kicker is, Maidana ALMOST won the fight, in the only manner that he ever had a chance of winning it by...TKO. Khan ALMOST beat Garcia, but Garcia beat him in the only manner that he ever had a chance of winning it by...TKO.

The common denominator here is...Khan was WINNING both of those fights before he got careless. Now Khan wants a do-over for his mistake in the Garcia fight, but he wont give Maidana a do-over...kinda shitty, right? The thing is, had Khan beat Garcia, he wouldn't have looked twice at giving Garcia a rematch, had he requested one.

Instead, he'd have his nose in the air while chasing a Mayweather fight...fine, it's all about revenue, these guys dont do this for free, cool. NOW, Garcia could possibly have a shot a Floyd in the near future, while Khan is left picking up the pieces of fights that he got careless in. Life aint fair, and Khan knows that he got knocked down a couple of pegs, and nearly ruined his chances at a megafight.

Now this Maidana thing...hmmm, what can I say? I will start by saying that he HAS progressed. His last outing against Soto-Karass gave him a chance to display some type of improvement, and he was still able to brawl in spots. I cant say that Maidana hasn't known some decent boxing skills all along, he may have just been using what was working for him...even when it didn't appear to (if that makes any sense).

He and Amir are in the same boat...both of them had some type of boxing skill, but got lost in their ways after a while. This is the best time for Khan to fleece Prescott, while he's a bit battered and still has something in the tank. That fight shouldn't be too hard to make, though I forget who promotes Prescott. A Peterson rematch is ripe for the picking, being the fact that the purse bid for the failed Judah/Peterson fight was only a measly $70k. Im sure Peterson would be willing to take less money this time around, but he is still the IBF champ, so Im not sure how negotiations would go.

LMAO at the "gumshoe detective looking motherfucker" who got in the way of the Khan/Peterson decision. laugh.gif


I took some time to think about it and realized that I hadn't thought about Maidana's development under Robert Garcia. He did look really good in that fight and at this point, I do believe that a fight with Khan would be very competitive.

I would also pay money to watch a Lamont Peterson rematch for sure. Peterson is tough and has that body attack that gave Khan hell in that fight.

With Prescott, for his own good, I'd like him to get a couple of victories under him so that his confidence comes back and he actually has a chance to give Khan a good fight...especially after the war he had with Mike Alvarado.

Eventually all roads will hopefully lea to a rematch with Danny Garcia. If he can cross all of these bridges and Floyd is still fighting, then we can talk about that fight.

For now, Amir should just soak up everything he can by being around Virgil Hunter and Andre Ward. The more he molds his game after the Son of God, the more impressive his performances will be.
daprofessor
angulo and khan's bouts were nothing more than rebuilding fights.

from angulo i saw plenty of improvements and new folds in his game offensively and defensively. normally he swings for the fences and now he seems to be utilizing a jab for offense and defense. he is also throwing set up shots and mixing up his combinations with some touch, touch bang! in spots he showed some really good defense and head movement that i've never seen from him before. he's only been with hunter a short while and i believe if they keep matching him properly, he will be a force again. they chose the perfect opponent.

as for khan...he seems to have settled down a lot. he's not bouncing all over the place and he's being much more patient/economical with his punches. he's also using his jab for offense and defense. he isn't falling in after his combos and outside a handful of times, he isn't balling up/blinding himself with a high guard and leaning in to be hit. his work off the ropes was very impressive and is definitely a new wrinkle in his game.

neither guy should be looking to step up the competition too much too soon. i don't believe angulo is as sharp as he can be just yet. he's still shaking off rust from inactivity. if they keep him active...he'll be where he needs to be in a few fights. as for khan...while i admire his willingness to get back in the ring with garcia, i don't believe that would be a smart move. i can't see that going any differently anytime soon. he's still getting caught with the same shots in exchanges...and like a few of you have pointed out...he's admiring his work still. that will spell doom against a big puncher like garcia. i'd like see amir add a little head movement to what he's doing in the ring.

i am a big fan of hunter. having watched him develop ward into a gold medalist and then into a world champion/p4p fighter....i'm completely sold. he brings knowledge and understanding to the game that is much needed. if these guys continue to listen and have the patience to continue growing under him....they are going to do well.
Cshel86
QUOTE (MaxPayne @ Dec 17 2012, 02:47 AM) *
I took some time to think about it and realized that I hadn't thought about Maidana's development under Robert Garcia. He did look really good in that fight and at this point, I do believe that a fight with Khan would be very competitive.

I would also pay money to watch a Lamont Peterson rematch for sure. Peterson is tough and has that body attack that gave Khan hell in that fight.

With Prescott, for his own good, I'd like him to get a couple of victories under him so that his confidence comes back and he actually has a chance to give Khan a good fight...especially after the war he had with Mike Alvarado.

Eventually all roads will hopefully lea to a rematch with Danny Garcia. If he can cross all of these bridges and Floyd is still fighting, then we can talk about that fight.

For now, Amir should just soak up everything he can by being around Virgil Hunter and Andre Ward. The more he molds his game after the Son of God, the more impressive his performances will be.

Totally agree. Khan is in a position to have a couple of build-up fights, he's truly earned it. He's fought some of the best guys in the division, so he deserves a bit of a rest. Now guys like Berto on the other hand, had been fighting no-hopers (aside from Collazo) until he fought Ortiz. Being that he lost that fight, he had no room to go back to no-hopers, it was well past his time to step up in competition.

With that in mind, guys like that have it rough, because they have to improve and adjust on the job...after the opening bell with a formidable opponent standing across the ring from them.

On to Garcia...let's just hope he gets past Judah because that's his fight to lose. What a sad day it would be, if he loses that fight. On another note, as you mentioned, Khan needs to keep learning and not lose his shit when thinking about who he should be fighting next and what he deserves....thats when he becomes a douche.

I just didn't like his whole comment about knocking Garcia out though...hell, when was the last time Khan stopped somebody. Then I thought about it, he didn't look all that impressive, he just had an opportunity to adjust because Molina's physical deficiencies wouldn't allow him to stop it.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 17 2012, 02:54 PM) *
Totally agree. Khan is in a position to have a couple of build-up fights, he's truly earned it. He's fought some of the best guys in the division, so he deserves a bit of a rest. Now guys like Berto on the other hand, had been fighting no-hopers (aside from Collazo) until he fought Ortiz. Being that he lost that fight, he had no room to go back to no-hopers, it was well past his time to step up in competition.

With that in mind, guys like that have it rough, because they have to improve and adjust on the job...after the opening bell with a formidable opponent standing across the ring from them.

On to Garcia...let's just hope he gets past Judah because that's his fight to lose. What a sad day it would be, if he loses that fight. On another note, as you mentioned, Khan needs to keep learning and not lose his shit when thinking about who he should be fighting next and what he deserves....thats when he becomes a douche.

I just didn't like his whole comment about knocking Garcia out though...hell, when was the last time Khan stopped somebody. Then I thought about it, he didn't look all that impressive, he just had an opportunity to adjust because Molina's physical deficiencies wouldn't allow him to stop it.


i believe khan's ego will stand in the way of his own success. i like some of the improvements he's made with hunter...but listening to his comments during the interview segment leading up to the fight...he said something like..."the way he(virgil hunter) talks, he bores you so u know it will stick..." or some bullshit to that effect. virgil says he's a very eager student...but i wonder how long it will last. there's no one to reel this kid in...he will be responsible for his own demise.
The Original MrFactor
I enjoyed the card tonight. Angulo had a tough time in his fight, but did enuff to win in a solid performance. he didnt blow his load early and was patient. He's a solid oppponenet for any top guy at 154.

The Wilder fight was more of a punch than a fight. Wilder seems really raw. I think he gets beaten by guys like Chris Arreaola and the 2nd tier of heavies. i think he has a great upside and has great potential. He does need to step up his comp though. I have no clue who that guy was he was fighting, but lets get him in there with Seth Mitchel or the guy who just beat him and see what he can do.

Khan was explosive tonight. I did see some improvements in his game. he seems a bit more patient. Still has great combos. His defense is a "little' better." He's going to need to see Garcia again to redeem himself. Now would be a good time to rematch Beridis Prescott before getting garcia again next summer.
flazi
was anyone else impressed with the the small guy silva?
Cshel86
QUOTE (flazi @ Dec 18 2012, 02:21 PM) *
was anyone else impressed with the the small guy silva?

Hell yeah!

He took a few too many punches (though he could take them), but I like him.
daprofessor
QUOTE (flazi @ Dec 18 2012, 02:21 PM) *
was anyone else impressed with the the small guy silva?


i like him. he has a lot to work with and i believe that was a fight that may have helped him grow big time. he's going to be better because of it. remember him...because in a few years he'll be the guy upsetting the next big thing.
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 18 2012, 04:13 PM) *
i like him. he has a lot to work with and i believe that was a fight that may have helped him grow big time. he's going to be better because of it. remember him...because in a few years he'll be the guy upsetting the next big thing.




Agreed. I liked his game, he was tough and came to work. When I saw him, I instantly thought tomato can. Boy did he fool me. I'll be looking for him again in the future...
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