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Jack 1000
Celebrate the second big fight in a return to boxing on network TV, as NBC's main network presents a rematch of a great first fight! Adamek-Cunningham II! Keep all on-going and post-fight comments in this thread.

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Cheesey1
Close, but Cunningham won it. Judges will give their verdict now...

Well two of the judges saw it very differently than I did. To me, it was close, but Cunningham clearly won.


The opening match was good. Hamer should've gone with the strategy that Jennings described. Congrats to Glazkov.
VJones
Wow...Adamek did not win that fight. I didn't score it, but in my mind, Cunningham was up by 2 or 3 rounds. It was a great fight until the judges got involved. Smh. USS fought a mostly smart fight. Steve's right couldn't seem to miss. Dbl jab right. When he did that and stayed in the middle of the ring, it was beautiful.

It wasn't the worst decision in the world, but a bad apple is a bad apple. And it potentially turns one guy's life upside down and robs him of his hard work, time, and future pay days. So any bad call is egregious in sport.

Favorite Bro. Naz liner, referring to Adamek trying to steal rounds in the last 30 seconds: "He can't beat you. He's shoplifting. Don't let him do it." Something to that effect =)
VJones
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Dec 22 2012, 06:58 PM) *
Close, but got Cunningham won it. Judges will give their verdict now...

Well two of the judges saw it very differently than I did. To me, it was close, but Cunningham clearly won.


The opening match was good. Hamer should've gone with the strategy that Jennings described. Congrats to Glazkov.


Yeah congrats to Glazkov. Hope Hamer hangs it up. Don't think he's cut out for the sport. He's an educated man...so lets hope those school loans or whatever the reason he thought boxing was a good idea have been dealt with, so he can save himself (and the rest of us) the pain...
Cshel86
How in the fluck (Im trying to stop cussing) did I miss this fight???
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 22 2012, 06:57 PM) *
How in the fluck (Im trying to stop cussing) did I miss this fight???

That's what happens when you don't read 'The Weekend in Boxing.'
Cheesey1
QUOTE (VJones @ Dec 22 2012, 06:24 PM) *
Wow...Adamek did not win that fight. I didn't score it, but in my mind, Cunningham was up by 2 or 3 rounds. It was a great fight until the judges got involved. Smh. USS fought a mostly smart fight. Steve's right couldn't seem to miss. Dbl jab right. When he did that and stayed in the middle of the ring, it was beautiful.

It wasn't the worst decision in the world, but a bad apple is a bad apple. And it potentially turns one guy's life upside down and robs him of his hard work, time, and future pay days. So any bad call is egregious in sport.

Favorite Bro. Naz liner, referring to Adamek trying to steal rounds in the last 30 seconds: "He can't beat you. He's shoplifting. Don't let him do it." Something to that effect =)

Agreed about Cunningham/Adamek

I thought that Hamer just used the wrong strategy against a particular style of opponent and not that he doesn't have what it takes. Valid point though that if he really doesn't have what it takes, then no need to stick around. I think it might be worth him sticking around, but with a different corner.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Dec 22 2012, 07:07 PM) *
That's what happens when you don't read 'The Weekend in Boxing.'

Oh hush! I read something about it airing at 4PM today, but I totally forgot about it today. Maybe it was the Yuengling, or the fact that it took me so long to measure and cut this wood for this bed that Im putting together...not to mention that wild time I had in Wal Mart earlier...it was packed!
Jack 1000
I had found out the result ahead of time accidentally only about a half hour ago. I have it on DVR and plan to watch it tonight.

Jack
Cheesey1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 22 2012, 07:23 PM) *
Oh hush! I read something about it airing at 4PM today, but I totally forgot about it today. Maybe it was the Yuengling, or the fact that it took me so long to measure and cut this wood for this bed that Im putting together...not to mention that wild time I had in Wal Mart earlier...it was packed!

Yuengling and Wal Mart....big pimpin'!
VJones
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Dec 22 2012, 08:13 PM) *
Agreed about Cunningham/Adamek

I thought that Hamer just used the wrong strategy against a particular style of opponent and not that he doesn't have what it takes. Valid point though that if he really doesn't have what it takes, then no need to stick around. I think it might be worth him sticking around, but with a different corner.


I don't disagree really. But at 29 and with stamina issues...and still rather green in the sport, a different corner might help...but I get the feeling his heart just isn't in it.

I'm reminded of last weekend's epilogue in the Showtime All Access Cotto/Trout series. There's a wonderfully poignant moment when the camera catches Miguel Cotto's wife whispering to him: "I'm tired. This hurts me."

Cotto's emotional response: "It's the only thing I know. What else can I do?"

I think when you're getting pounded on for a living (especially as a heavyweight), a sense (a true conviction) that 'this is what I'm made to do'...and/or 'I have no other choice but to fight', is necessary. And so the background stories most often told in this brutal sport are stories like that of Miguel Cotto...a warrior with no other choices...men and women coming from nothing...knowing only how to claw, scrape, and fight their way out of poverty and adversity. And so, the 'fight' in them is innate. Heart comes with the territory. And brutality is as natural as skin.

Hamer is middle class, educated, ivy-league parents. It was almost comical watching him grimace and play at meanness before the fight began. =) I think his natural athleticism has taken him as far as he can go in boxing. Grit would be necessary to take him further...and he just doesn't seem to have it.
VJones
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 22 2012, 08:23 PM) *
...measure and cut this wood for this bed that Im putting together...


Impressive!
Jack 1000
I had it 116-114 for Cunningham with two even rounds. Both did a lot of swapping back and forth of those rounds. It was not a robbery, but still a bad call. The least that Stevie could have gotten was a draw. For the record, I recall disagreeing with judge Debra Barnes on a maybe five fights she worked over the years and this is one of them. Her corrected score, I believe she was the one who went 116-112 for Ademek was bullshit.

I wanted to hear the interviews and on the DVR, they cut away a few minutes after the decision.

Jack
VJones
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Dec 23 2012, 02:45 AM) *
I had it 116-114 for Cunningham with two even rounds. Both did a lot of swapping back and forth of those rounds. It was not a robbery, but still a bad call. The least that Stevie could have gotten was a draw. For the record, I recall disagreeing with judge Debra Barnes on a maybe five fights she worked over the years and this is one of them. Her corrected score, I believe she was the one who went 116-112 for Ademek was bullshit.

I wanted to hear the interviews and on the DVR, they cut away a few minutes after the decision.

Jack


Judging is always a somewhat subjective business...but these bad calls are truly ruining the sport. I agree, Jack, at least a draw for his time and trouble would have been better than giving Adamek a fight he did not win.

Cunningham was in tears in the locker room. And rightfully so.

Crazy thing about bad decisions is its destructive to both fighters. Cunningham suffers a loss he doesn't deserve, a record tarnished, money he will not earn. But Adamek suffers too...because he will lose fans if its perceived that he is being gifted a decision. And if he knows he didn't win a fight and has any integrity, he'll suffer a mental chip as well.
Jack 1000
The Pennsylvanian Commission's Master Scoresheet is very bunchy and hard to read:

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/adamek-cun...corecard-158735 (Credit-Fightnews)

Jack
Cheesey1
QUOTE (VJones @ Dec 23 2012, 01:28 AM) *
I don't disagree really. But at 29 and with stamina issues...and still rather green in the sport, a different corner might help...but I get the feeling his heart just isn't in it.

I'm reminded of last weekend's epilogue in the Showtime All Access Cotto/Trout series. There's a wonderfully poignant moment when the camera catches Miguel Cotto's wife whispering to him: "I'm tired. This hurts me."

Cotto's emotional response: "It's the only thing I know. What else can I do?"

I think when you're getting pounded on for a living (especially as a heavyweight), a sense (a true conviction) that 'this is what I'm made to do'...and/or 'I have no other choice but to fight', is necessary. And so the background stories most often told in this brutal sport are stories like that of Miguel Cotto...a warrior with no other choices...men and women coming from nothing...knowing only how to claw, scrape, and fight their way out of poverty and adversity. And so, the 'fight' in them is innate. Heart comes with the territory. And brutality is as natural as skin.

Hamer is middle class, educated, ivy-league parents. It was almost comical watching him grimace and play at meanness before the fight began. =) I think his natural athleticism has taken him as far as he can go in boxing. Grit would be necessary to take him further...and he just doesn't seem to have it.

Fair point.
MaxPayne
I had it 116-112 for Cunningham.

I honestly cannot see more than 4 rounds for Adamek. Cunningham was landing jabs and right hands and solid shots to the body the entire fight.

This is a fucking travesty. Cunningham is a good guy and doesn't deserve this horse shit.

Fuck Adamek. I used to be a fan. Not anymore.
Jack 1000
I wonder if the proposed WBA/WBC computer scoring, with judges using laptops instead of conventional sheets will make a difference?

Boxingscene attempts to clarify the scoresheets here:

http://www.boxingscene.com/adamek-cunningh...larified--60756

Keep in mind that a wrong score can be keyed into a computer as well!

Jack
Cshel86
Man I feel so left out. laugh.gif

Anybody have a link to the fight?
Jack 1000
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Dec 23 2012, 07:34 PM) *
Man I feel so left out. laugh.gif

Anybody have a link to the fight?


Here you go!

http://sosoboxing.com/boxing-video-watch-o...e-cunningham-2/

There might be a pop up that shows up in IE. Firefox with Ad Block Plus will kill the pop-up.

Jack
daprofessor
how many gift decisions is adamek going to get!? this shit is ridiculous!!! he got schooled by one armed fast eddie chambers...then this bullshit. i thought he probably won about 4 rounds and that's it.
Jack 1000
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Dec 26 2012, 04:49 PM) *
how many gift decisions is adamek going to get!? this shit is ridiculous!!! he got schooled by one armed fast eddie chambers...then this bullshit. i thought he probably won about 4 rounds and that's it.


Nice breakdown here:

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/adamek-cun...analysis-158847

I had it 116-114 for Cunningham, or 6-4-2. I don't see a robbery here, just a bad decision. I stand fast that the BEST Adamek gets is a draw. Cunningham most likely should have won by 1-4 points. I stand fast that there needs to be more even rounds at 10-10 to show a round's closeness. Next year, I plan to contract the Association of Boxing Commissions on this matter.

I recall six rounds that could have gone to either fighter, but don't recall how I broke down those individual rounds. I don't think Stevie ran much at all, he pivitod and scored effectively. Tomaz made it close by throwing and landing good power shots in spots, but Stevie was a little more effective in his boxing than Tomaz was in his punching. I would say about a 60% edge to Cunningham to 40% for Adamek.

Jack
daprofessor
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Dec 26 2012, 10:04 PM) *
Nice breakdown here:

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/adamek-cun...analysis-158847

I had it 116-114 for Cunningham, or 6-4-2. I don't see a robbery here, just a bad decision. I stand fast that the BEST Adamek gets is a draw. Cunningham most likely should have won by 1-4 points. I stand fast that there needs to be more even rounds at 10-10 to show a round's closeness. Next year, I plan to contract the Association of Boxing Commissions on this matter.

I recall six rounds that could have gone to either fighter, but don't recall how I broke down those individual rounds. I don't think Stevie ran much at all, he pivitod and scored effectively. Tomaz made it close by throwing and landing good power shots in spots, but Stevie was a little more effective in his boxing than Tomaz was in his punching. I would say about a 60% edge to Cunningham to 40% for Adamek.

Jack


we should do a round by round break down in the forum. i don't score even rounds.
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