I finally watched the Fight Game with Jim Lampley and I was a little disgusted that he insinuated Juan Manuel Marquez might had been on PEDs and Donaire has set the standard for Olympic testing. I wasn't upset that Donaire was mentioned as the poster child of PED testing, what I was upset about was the fact Mayweather's name was never mentioned. Before Floyd no one talked about strict blood testing. He started with I believe Juan Manuel for the first drug testing. People actually called him a coward for demanding strict drug testing. You would think people would had been behind better testing in boxing with the history of steroid use in the sport. It really did shock me how Donaire is getting credit for OSDT in all his fights. I know he gets tested year around and kudos to him but to not mention Floyd as the starter of blood testing is a joke and slap in the face to Floyd. All of a sudden Lampley and everyone else is now demanding harder drug testing because Manny got caught with a great counter punch. The hypocrisy in boxing is amazing. Just because the Golden Goose got laid to rest boxing is now corrupt. Maybe I am tripping but you can not give credit to a guy who followed another guys example, the media picks their heroes no matter what history says...and Columbus discovered America.

Floyd will never get the credit he deserves until he's long gone.

Agreed.

That doesn't mean a thing because he is still not trying to get credit for doing the things he is suppose to be doing (fighting top competition!). Great he's clean, no doubt. Now Fucking fight a top guy at your weight

Fuck Donaire!

Who cares if he's testing year round? The mofo that we wanted to take a test, just got KTFO a couple of weeks ago, and NOW everybody's crying for stricter testing?! Oh the irony. HBO and the media are a bunch of douches with a serious hero complex in regards to Manny being the savior of the sport.

Who cares. All of the POS mofos are eating their words and hoping for a big comeback on Manny's part...it will NEVER happen. Donaire is just some overlooked guy who's demanding attention for a matter that has little to do with him.

Isn't he still working with Conte? Professor brought this up in another thread, but doesn't Conte know how to "pass" these wack ass tests that are going around? So in this case, Donaire just needs to take a seat.

Lampley and his show is a joke, and his meager words hold no weight. HBO has pretty much lost the megafight, so they can cut the boojie attitudes. Im not the smartest man in the world, and Im damn sure not the dumbest, but it seems like they're in full-blown damage control mode right now.

If you are talking about 147 then that would be Guerrero, I would rather Kim Kardashian have my last name than watch that fight, I rather listen to a 2 Chainz record than watch that fight, I would rather see Vanilla Ice in concert to watch that fight. Now if we are talking about 154 then he has Canelo, but Canelo doesn't fight guys one weight class below him, he fights light weights and jr welter weights. K9 and Trout are no names and Floyd ain't fighting for free. Sergio is too big so who would you suggest he fight? If you say Pacquiao not only would I tell he has to wake up from his slumber but that fight is over.


Donaire is getting a name and what better way for him to get a name by be the cleanest guy in the sport? Ironically Lampley did not bring up the fact that Conte was in his corner and had been advising him, but Memo is suppose to be the mysterious cloud over the whole Manny TKO? Manny got caught with a counter any skilled boxer would have not lunged into a counter puncher at a side angle with their hands down. Maybe Freddie Roach should go back and rethink his teaching technique because so far he has been taking Ls. The Filipino Flab is going to be the new poster boy for OSDT I promise. Floyd gets my respect for calling a spade a spade early in the game. Now everyone is acting more surprised than a virgin founding out that she is pregnant because the make has been lifted from The Manny Experience. An exciting brawler with few boxing skill and great match making.

Wth are you talking about bro? This a donaire thread, I was talking about him. Yea he's testing big whoop, id be impressed if he was fighting top guys not testing.

My bad yo, I thought you were talking about Floyd, the way it was written but I totally agree with you about Donaire the Filipino Flab, guy fought Arce and I and I am suppose to swoon? Get the heck up out of here with that. I honestly do not know why people are so in love with this cat.

wow for people to not give floyd the credit he deserves for testing is just pure ignorance. without him, no one would bother. Donaire just took it a step further but we are talking 2- 3 years after floyd set the standard.

Floyd didn't set shit did he now, he was so afraid of losing his 0 he made it so for his fights, maybe even his cards so he doesn't look like a bitch there had to be ODST. He didn't do it for a clean sport he did it to protect that 0

Who was Mayweather going to lose his 0 to? Mr. Nyquil? Guess again, he knew there was a strong possibility that Sleepyhead was on something and since those allegations Mr. Slumber hasn't looked so spectacular. What he did was show Manny's bluff and Marquez showed Manny what happens when the playing field is even. You can not believe that Manny had a snow ball chance in hell that he had a shot against Mayweather or do you? What skill set does Sleepy have or has that can really challenge Mayweather? if you say his punching power I would again point to Marquez if you say speed I would again point to Marquez, if you say anything I am pointing to Marquez. What Marquez does guess who does it 100000000000000000000% better. The only person I honestly think that can take Mayweather's 0 is Mayweather himself. he does not go in a fight with 100% then he is done for. Between 147-154 I have Mayweather 85% of 100% winning, I like those odds.

anybody he fought. why did all of a sudden want ODST. I never mention Pac in my post, I think you should yano, address my points rather than bring up a debate we all hoped had died when Pac was KO...

I get it, you want to ride Mayweathers dick, and thats no problem you've proven another one of my points when someone said we'd finally get rid of all the Pactards, I just said but watch all the Flomos get worse...

I am not a Flomo but you can't make an argument without the main premise of the argument. You are saying Floyd was afraid to lose his 0 right? But the only person he requested for OSDT was Pacquiao and then he decided OSDT was to be for all his fights. Now if he was afraid to lose his 0 who would it be against? Obviously if his first introduction to OSDT was apart of the negotiations for the Pac fight and you say he afraid to lose his 0 then who else would you be talking about? Just because I defend someone doesn't make me a Flomo, Floyd is one of my favorite boxers he is a lot of people's favorite boxers and why is that a bad thing? But I will list my favorite boxers currently: 1. Mayweather 2. Peter Quillin 3. Mikey Garcia 3. Sergio Martinez 4. Miguel Cotto 5. Austin Trout 6. Zab Judah 7. Andre Ward 8. Danny Garcia 9. Abner Mares 10. Andre Dirrell/ Dontey Wilder (Bama boy!)

what am saying is he would of asked for it either way, not for the good of boxing, but the good of his 0, whether it be Pac or any other dude.

anyone who knows boxing knows that floyd 'money' mayweather deserves all the credit in the world for pioneering testing in boxing. the only one's in denial are haters. it's that simple. pac didn't want testing. freddie didn't want testing. arum didn't want testing. hbo could have carried the torch for floyd and championed his cause...but they didn't. lampley and merchant are both ass clowns. what they also failed to mention is that jmm and his trainer offered to test. they had no problem with it.

there is a connection with nonito, conte, vada and the shills who are promoting this as nonito doing something special. everyone fails to mention or see the connection between conte and berto who tested positive. let's not forget...berto is the one who insisted on testing to begin with. i suggest the ppl who are watching this thing unfold casually to read between the lines and connect the dots. follow the money trail. usada costs 100k to use....vada costs 10k a pop. conte is involved with vada. he stands to make money off of them.

hbo helped to build manny into the "star" he was. u don't think they know about the contractual stipulations? the weight drain game? the bullshit that they ran the whole way? letting them watch tape of opponents strategy and training..etc..etc. hbo is/was in the manny pacquiao business and the bigger he became...the happier they were. it's the reason they sold us the bullshit for years. not everyone bought it. it's why i love this site. most here know better. so i say fuck jim lampley and his bullshit!!! fuck larry merchant and his bullshit as well!!! they all owe juan manuel marquez a huge apology. they need to get on their hands and knees and kiss his fucking ass!!! if i'm marquez, i pursue legal action for their bullshit!!!

Game. Set. Match! Speak the truth cousin! That entire HBO crew was so far up Manny's scrotum they literally fell to pieces when Juan turned the lights off of Pac. Mayweather gets all the credit for his stance in OSDT. He was the FIRST to implement them in all is fight. If you want to face Mayweather you have to take the test. ESPN and HBO and other blow hards actually called May a coward for asking for strict testing. I don't get it. If that came from any other boxer than they would be heroes of the sport. Again the media picks their heroes. I agree Daprofessor, its all BS. I am glad Juan put an end to the hype machine that is Manny.

and again who has threaten to take away Mayweather's O? What boxer?

Does FMJ's "alleged" motive make his request any less positive for boxing? This testing "could" help save lives. Is it possible he might not only be protecting his 0? Doesn't matter how great he is considered if he can't enjoy the fruits of his labor.

Most heartbreaking moment I ever watched in all of sports was My dads hero Muhammed Ali lighting the Olympic torch in 1996. I didn't know whether to applaud or run for cover. If this testing can even potentially reduce the risk of any professional boxer being in that state it is well worth it.

P.S. Word on the streets says Abe Lincoln abolished slavery........ Read a little deeper you find out many historians say he damn sure didn't want to. But that doesn't change the fact he was a major factor.

See if he wanted this for boxing on a larger scale he would of campaigned for that, that's why am so cynical about it. Instead he reserved it for his fights, sure it costs money but still, don't you give back to the sport that made you what you are as he likes to constantly state?

I wonder because when Berto was caught, and Lamont was caught, wasn't there piss dirty too?

and daprofessor I don't hate the guy, maybe I don't agree with some things he's done, but I've never met him to have that amount of dislike for him, I just see a different point of view.

Abe didn't want slavery to extend to the Northern states, he told the Confederate states that they could keep slavery but they could not extend in the Northern or free states. The only reason why there was a civil war is because the southern states attacked the northern states first. Read Forced into Glory it explains the thinking behind the "abolition" of slavery. But I catch your drift.

Ali is a sad story I fear Roy Jones is headed in that direction.

Will peep that book 4 sure. You n I share the same sentiments in reference to Roy.....

Roy is really tripping I hope that he doesn't fight again, he barely is a coherent announcer I really hope he does not fight again he really has nothing to prove.

Floyd deserves credit for starting the OSDT. He put light on a practice that is prevalent in the boxing community, steroids. Doanire piggy backed off of Floyd and screw HBO and their entire crew for insinuating that Juan was on something. If Nyquil would had just taken the test or asked for extra testing then maybe he would still be number 3 pound for pound. Now Donaire is the new face of boxing. ESPN just gave him the fighter of the year award for knocking out tomato rusty passed prime fighters. Juan deserves fighter of the year. Now we are about to witness the rise of Donaire the machine is now behind him. Mares please knock this guy's block off.

You can keep holding on to your speculation that you knew Floyd's "motive" all you want. The morals of the matter, though, like others have also implied, is that the advantages to boxing of little Floyd's pioneering effort in promoting proper testing to discourage blatant or casual doping in boxing, far outweigh any ulterior motive there could have been.

And it keeps getting increasingly so with each passing day and each passing bout.

Little Floyd therefore deserves his proper credit for having pioneered this cause. Such facts and attendant credit shouldn't be wished away or rubbished - certainly not on the basis of speculative thinking.

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am sure somebody said history is written by the victor except while Mayweather maintains that 0 he doesn't seem to be shaping shit. This HBO "documentary" seems to be shaping it how they want it.

Anyways anybody know how the last 4 tested positive? I mean was it picked up in there urine? I know for Lamont it was, but not 100% sure for Berto, Morales and Tarver.

What you fail to mention is that he started the discussion and because he did so look at what has transpired. Don't be hater for no reason. Kudos to Mayweather,

What has transpired exactly? How effective has OSDT been

Lamply doesn't have Manny to coddle and go ga-ga over now that Pacquiao viciously lost. Why can't HBO just make the best fights against the best fighters, and pom-pom great two-sided action, instead of cheerleading when their house fighter takes a shit? Jim Lamply is totally at fault for that. He attitude in this regard filters down to the rest of the crew. Showtime doesn't do that.

Jack

where's the proof that muhammad ali is in his state because of p.e.d's?

dr. ferdie pacheco doesn't even believe ali's situation was caused by boxing alone. he believed that ali did damage to himself because of his use of pesticides when he went to camp. i also believe his excessive use of diuretics to make himself appear to be in shape caused some of that as well.

a look at all the fights we know of that involved positive testing or admission don't reveal any super human powers. what they reveal is that the fighters using didn't look all that spectacular and actually lost in some of the instances.

lead by example. that's the way i live my life. floyd leading by example is all he needed to do. whether the motive was to protect his 0 or to raise awareness...it doesn't really matter because in reality, he did both.

berto asked for testing. he had a guy on his team who was supposed to be an expert. how do we know this expert didn't give him the shit that he tested positive for? also...the amount found was so minimal it would not have even help a bit.

as for peterson...he was doing TRT which was recommended by his physician. the tests in DC and the tests in Cali would have never caught that. peterson was the one who requested the testing not khan. and when he tested positive he came withhis doctors note to explain it. as a result, he wasn't suspended...he wasn't stripped. there was no wrong doing according to the rules...but that doesn't stop ppl from making it out to be like berto and peterson committed a crime.

there was almost no backlash when pac and his camp tap danced around testing. where was the outrage? ppl here have said it...floyd was looked upon like a coward for asking for it.

this!!! and it's why hbo sucks!

This is what I am saying, he started the discussion and he lead by example. Mayweather being the big name he is made testing OSDT the prime thing to do. Donaire does get tested year around but he did so off the back of Mayweather's suggestion and example. If he were to lose his 0 it would be by someone who is clean and not roided up. Why didn't Pacquiao not take the test is the question? How big would it be if the two most popular boxers in the world demanded OSDT in all their fight? It would have been phenomenal but Pac took Mayweather to court instead, real ballsy!

no arguments here. totally agree.