So you don't see anything wrong with a fighter who hasn't proven anything in his weight class trying to demand a future HOF fighter to sign a contract or he'll do his own thing? I think he played himself in that sense

I don't see anything wrong with him going on his own date, it'll get more attention and be a bigger event. But for him and his team to put a deadline on any fighter, let alone Floyd to fight them is ridiculous. He needs someone in his camp to stop sucking him off and tell him how it really is. But when I found out Reynoso was his manager I knew that wasn't going to happen. He's a prima donna who over values his worth

Canelo is robbing himself of exposure if this is true. He couldn't pull numbers with a chicano on his card. And he possibly may have burned a bridge with mayweather, let's face it mayweather isnt the most forgiving guys when they play with his money (ask arum)

Exactly. Red Head head is smelling himself way too much. What if he loses to Trout? That means he still gets a Mayweather fight? BS. He will soon learn that Cinnamon isn't a main spice. This dude cashed himself out way too early and over nothing.

I saw something in Trout vs Cotto.... Trout is very dangerous and stayed within himself to secure a win but I think he could have stopped Cotto or made him quit.. He dominated Cotto-- Alvarez has not beaten anyone and I do not feel he will be able to handle Trout at all.. I think Trout dominates this kid...

Ring TV says it's in Texas. San Antonio. What are the chances of Trout getting a decision there in the land of Laurence Cole and Gale Van Hoy?

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/177447-...-in-san-antonio

Jack

Good luck Trout...good luck.

No shit man!

I mean at least the Vegas venue on Floyd's undercard would stand a chance of fair officiating. I can see it now. Two Texas locals and one Mexican judge or Californian. Or whatever, the judges will likely all be from Southwest States. You get two guys in the money maker's pocket, it makes no difference where the third judge is from. Trout will have to near kill Alverez to get a decision in Texas. The officials will take to "Cinnamon Head" like bees to honey!

Alverez just saved his own ass from a loss, unless the fight is a brutal beating. Trout better do a Martinez on Chavez here if he wants to win and not get caught in the last round!

Jack

Just what we fuckin' needed...a bunch of Revenge of the Nerds judges, smh.

The kicker here is, thanks to Alvarez and his disgusting since of entitlement, he can win or lose here, but his chances at a Floyd fight have gone sour in the meantime. He better hope he does the minimum here, and at least beat Trout convincingly. I dont want to put too much mustard on Trout's victory over Cotto, but he's the first able-body that Canelo's fought on U.S. soil.

totally agree on all counts.

Woe. Boxing should not be allowed in Texas

he's not in any position to be making any demands...but on the flip side...why beg for a fight when u can get paid on your own? canelo has a very tough fight in front of him. leveraging that match up to get a fight with floyd is just good business....especially if it works. it won't. floyd is floyd and we all know he will fight the opponents he chooses when he chooses them. he said it himself...he's robbing the bank legally. he has no intention of facing any real threats and every match from here on out will be very carefully planned. with this being said...i have to give canelo more props at this point because he's facing a much tougher opponent than floyds opponent. trout is no joke and there is a very serious chance canelo loses to him. props to canelo for doing his own thing and trying to prove his greatness. it's been a loooooooooong time since floyd has done that.

i'm looking more forward to april 20th than may 4th....and with april 20th being on regular showtime....i'm sure way more ppl will be tuning in.

cashing himself out? i think he's going all in and rolling the dice. if he wins...he's sitting pretty. that takes balls. lets see if he can pull it off.

i'm picking trout to win as well...but i can't count canelo out. he's still a pretty decent puncher and he may be a more natural 154lb fighter than cotto. i'll wait to see them side by side.

look for a premature stoppage from cole if trout stumbles just a little.

trouts victory over cotto was legit. he made so many adjustments in that fight. he is underrated.

I agree, but he looks bad or gets a gift decision than what? It will be hard to look good against Trout, very hard. Trout can take a punch and he is a complete boxer. He made Cotto look old. Canelo better be ready for a real fight. This is not a Matthew Hatton type of fighter and since this will be Alvarez's first real 154 fight he may not be used to a hard hitter. So yeah he rolled the dice, usually the house wins.

This was the only obvious move for Canelo if what Richard Schaeffer is saying is the truth...and I have no reason to believe that he isn't. Richard said that Canelo wanted a guarantee that if BOTH fighters won, Canelo-Mayweather would be made in the fall. Floyd wouldn't give him that guarantee, so Canelo took his fight off the Mayweather PPV.

This tells me that Floyd wasn't very serious about fighting Canelo in the fall. Why else would Floyd have an issue with this? Canelo is doing him a big favor by fighting Trout on his undercard and boosting his PPV ratings...which makes him a richer man. Canleo-Trout is one of the bigger fights of the year and Canelo was willing to put it as an undercard fight. All Mayweather had to do was say yes to a fight with Canelo in the fall if BOTH men won. That is extremely reasonable and if Floyd wanted to right Canelo in the fall then I have to imagine he would say yes.

I think we are setting up for a 1 year Floyd layoff after the Ghost fight or maybe a fall fight with Danny Garcia or Devon Alexander. If he really wanted to fight Canelo, I can't see him turning this deal down considering the extra PPV buys that will be lost.

Maybe Floyd was just stringing Canelo on this entire time, telling him he will get a shot in the near future if he just fought a few times on Floyd PPV's. That boosted Mayweather's ratings which allowed him to leverage a deal with Showtime. Now Canelo essentially said put up or shut up...either agree to a fight if we BOTH win or I am taking a major fight off the PPV. There has to be a reason that Floyd is willing to diminish his own PPV card.

Which means he is over looking Robert and what if Canelo loses against Trout or looks awful against him? They should of negotiated this fight after May 4th. Who the hell is Alvarez to dictate terms? Come on now. I can see if he actually cleared his division out but he hasn't. Plus Trout and Alvarez is a great fight for boxing fans but the not the casual fan. Just think about how many non Mexican fans know who Alvarez and Trout are. Broner has a bigger name than both of them

If Canelo loses, he doesn't get a shot. That would be in the contract if what Richard Schaeffer said was true and there is no reason to believe that it isn't. There is also almost no way Canelo "loses bad" to Trout. Trout isn't a scrub. If it is a close fight and Canelo wins, it is still a great win.

Alvarez isn't dictating the terms at all. Mayweather wanted a HUGE fight on his undercard in order to drum up even more interest. Canelo isn't just going to agree. Canelo-Trout is a major fight that deserves its own night and own card. If Mayweather wanted it on the undercard, he should have come with a legitimate offer to a guy that has already fought TWICE on a Floyd undercard.

Trout-Canelo is too big of a fight to be on anyone's undercard. Canelo was willing to give in to Mayweather, but he needed something more in return. Mayweather refused to give him any guarantee, so he passed. This isn't a case of Canelo trying to call all the shots. This is a case of Canelo telling Floyd that he isn't his b*tch.

Again why does Mayweather have to give into Canelo's demands. They could of talked about the fight after May 4th. This just looks like a stunt on Red Head's behalf. Why even make this public. He could of still landed Mayweather but you don't tell a man to sign this fight or else! Mayweather gave the biggest in this era the middle finger because Pac and Arum tried to strong arm in the same manner. Come on. Plus how dumb would Floyd look if he already signed on to face Canelo has the venue ready only for Canelo to lose! It doesn't make sense. Plus people who tend to fight Red Head end up losing so I doubt if Mayweather wnated that voodoo on him. Red Head is a jinx. You know what happens to opponents who overlook their opposition?

See K9, Ortiz, Berto, and Paris. They all have taken Ls!

I'm not sure what you really want from Canelo. Why in the world would he put a fight as good as the one with Trout on Floyd's undercard if it weren't part of a bigger deal? It's like this.....

Canelo vs Trout is NOT an undercard type of fight. It's that simple. It is a major fight that would of probably added $10-$15 million in EXTRA revenue. If Floyd wants that big of a fight on his UNDERCARD, he needed to come up with some type of sweetener for Canelo. Floyd didn't want to sign a deal to fight Canelo if BOTH won, so he declined. I got no problem with that. But Canelo should NOT make the biggest fight of his career a Floyd Mayweather undercard fight unless he is getting something out of it. That is my point. It's not like Floyd was doing him a favor by allowing the Trout fight to happen on his card.

I am very interested to see what type of fight replaces Canelo-Trout. Will they be able to get Broner to fight a live opponent? Can they bring in Cotto? Or will it be a few unheralded Mexican lightweights? Or will it be Broner vs a C-level fighter?

I doubt the avg viewership will be his highest to date, he's popular but not a draw as evidenced by his viewership ratings. I have no problem with him going on his own date, that's smart. But I don't like men who act like divas and he has no one around him to tell him the truth about where he's at and his value

I'm going to the Mayweather fight so it's obvious which one has more of my attention

True, but do you think he gave a few rounds away?

I feel this way as well. Yes I also agree that Alvarez-Trout is big enough as its own fight. But would it have even drawn more people, general public people to know who Alvarez and Trout were if they would have fought on Floyd's undercard with Guerrero?

I am not sure, but did I read that Alverez-Trout is gonna be regular Showtime and not PPV? We should analyze how much Alverez-Trout would have made as part of Mayweather-Guerrero's PPV, verses Alverez-Trout on Showtime with probably one average undercard match, maybe two.

In my view, "Cinnamon Head" and "The Fish" each get more general public interest and exposure as a PPV undercard for Floyd-Guerrero than standing as a main event on Showtime.

This is a great topic!

Jack

I think this might just be a result of Floyd not wanting to overlook guerrero as well. I mean when have we ever heard of Floyd signing to fight soemone before one of his fights?

This was my same exact thought. He already has the Mexican demographic locked down. I believe he would receive more exposure via PPV. We will find out whether he was playing Checkers or Chess with this move 21Apr2013.

which is it? you're contradicting yourself.

trout, imo, was way more convincing in his victory over cotto than floyd. i had cotto winning 2 rounds...maybe 3. against floyd...i had him winning 4-5 rounds.

LOL you a fool for that

anyone else concerned for trout that this fight is in texas?

everyone else. absolutely.

See id like to bet on trout but last time I did Martinez was giving me a heart attack in the 12th lol

jr almost pulled that one off.

Again I hope Trout does not get the Sweat Pea treatment but Sweat Pea got robbed and San Antonio so will Trout. Robbery of the year I promise you!

Scenerio 1:

Trout does what Martinez did to Chavez Jr and it is so one-sided that it's fair. Until the 12th, Alvarez catches Trout with a bog overhand shot and drops him hard, but instead of letting it go on, Lawrence Cole, who I am damn sure is gonna get the ref call will stop it on the first follow up shots. The biased San Antonio croud will be thrilled but fans at home are gonna think "The Fish" got a sour deal.

Scenerio 2:

Trout appears to do enough to win around 116-112 to 115-113. Two of the officials will give "Cinnamon Head" four rounds just for breathing! LOL! They will go something like 115-113 for Alvarez twice, and the third judge will go 115-113 Trout or 114-114 draw.

THE BEST TROUT GETS OUT OF THIS FIGHT WITHOUT A STOPPAGE IS A DRAW. I know, Alvarez is not Mexican and all of that, but the pro bias that he will face, he might as well be because the powers that be know that he will be very favored to a Mexican-Latino population.

I hope Austin knows what's he's up against. Why would he agree to fight in San Antonio? Delahoya could be the new Arum here!

Jack

Again Whitaker and Chavez Sr. That is what will happen. This will be a Goldmen Sacs highway Robbery! This will make the housing collapse / wall street robbery look like a kid stealing candy from a local liquor store. No way Trout gets a decision. No way. Either Trout knocks Red Head out or he is taking a L. Or Roy Jones getting robbed at the Olympics. Either way robbery!

Damn...... That just put it in perspective Jack. I hope not for his sake. I know I'm asking for a lot here but a fare fight would be a damn good thing. This bout could/will serve as a major stepping stone in the careers of these young fighters.

Fuck Canelo Alvarez!

I sense a stoppage for Trout.. after dominating Cotto from the opening bell I feel that Trout understands what has to be done. This kid is not Cotto and I see Trout dominating him...

Idk, cotto isn't a big 154 pounder. Red isnt tall but he's got weight behind him, it will be interesting to see how THE FIRST LEGIT 154 pounder he's ever faced reacts to his punches. We know he can beat the shit out of welterweight tho

possible...but i think canelo is a heavier puncher at this weight.

Didn't Trout start his career at 168??? That's a big dude! What in the hell was Cotto's team thinking?

he has weighed as much as 165. he is 5'10. that's a big dude. he's going to school canelo.

I agree. I didn't see much from Trout going in, but watching the fight, he had Cotto numbered. Dude knew exactly how to fight Cotto, and made Cotto look like he's soon to retire.

I didn't know that. Has he fought at any other weight class then Jr MW?

Either way he (Austin) is going to get robbed. The only way he beats that Orphan Annie is by knocking him the hell out. Even then they will still give the nod to Annie.

165 is super middle weight

orphan annie!

the more i think about this...he's going to make it convincing. i can't rule out a stoppage. canelo only fights 30 seconds to 1 minute of every round. trout is going to make him work.

With Lawrence Cole as ref in Texas, because the influence of "Daddy Dickie," I predict that some corruption is very likely. You have Golden Boy, who like Arum caters to the Mexican-Latin American fighters and their clientele. You have the WBC, who has been known throughout their history to cater to the Mexican-Latino population and their fighters. You have Texas itself, which does often violates ABC Rules to get what they want even though they are a member of the ABC. (The use of the WBC 4th and 8th round Open scoring in Chavez-Rubip and Garcia-Morales in violation of ABC Rules.) The ABC recommending that Holyfield in the past not being allowed to fight anymore for medical reason, but Texas looking the other way. Chavez Jr. being allowed to skip drug testing by the commission, and than the WBC doing anything and everything for Julio's kid because of his Dad's legacy embedded in that organization.

Why would Delahoya put Alverez in such a tough fight against Trout, who could beat him, perhaps soundly, unless something's gonna go down with the officials in this fight. I know Cole is going to get the ref assignment and he will favor Alvarez in this fight, No Doubt (pun intended) that Trout MUST stop Alvarez to win. If I were Trout I would start at least trying for fairness in the fight with at least two neutral judges for the fight and better yet a non-Texas ref. What good will that do? The WBC has stronger influence than the WBA a lot of times on official selection, based on the commission. Dick Cole was a ratings chair and former WBC Supervisor for years. The Cole's are so influential in Texas. They are literally millionaires. Alverez is not Mexican, but his following will be HUGE for this fight. How many people are going to be in favor of Trout for this fight?

This will be worse than Chavez-Whitaker's draw. I had the fight actually closer at 116-113 or 7-4-1 for Whitaker. This fight is Diaz-Malinaggi I with at least one near shut-out card for Alvarez if any rounds are even competitive. Trout will get no breaks in this fight. If he maybe does everything but kill Alverez, he might possibly get a draw on the cards. In Diaz-Malinaggi a close fight that could have gone from a draw to no more than a two-point edge either way the fight was scored:

115-113 (Diaz) "Fine and Fair" (Raul Caiz Sr.) California

116-112 (Diaz) "Biased" (David Southerland) Oklahoma

118-110 (Diaz) "Corrupt", "Sick" and "Fucked Up Shit" (Gale Van Hoy)

Source: Box Rec.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1412530

Now, put Alvarez instead of Diaz's name on at least two of those cards in the Trout fight for the winner and that's what's gonna happen. I think Paulie Malinaggi would agree on this as well. Trout is about to be taken hook, line and sinker in this fight by the judges. I would love to be wrong about this whole post and have neutral officials in this fight. However, given the past history of the Texas Commission and influences above, I can't see that happening.

Jack