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BrutUalBK
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2013030...ION03/303040334

I for one do not agree that Floyd defines all black men (especially Your's Truly), it is inflammatory articles like these especially by Uncle Tom Negroes who help to continue to perpetuate not only the racial hate black men receive but also the hate towards a man in a sport where persona is perception and perception a reality (for some).

How can this Uncle Ben (Terry Foster) say that Floyd defines us: I've never been to prison, I don't hit women (if that's what he really did) and I haven't fathered children out of wedlock.

Sure Floyd is a great boxer and whatever he was doing to Mrs. Bundrage at that moment doesn't spell out that all of us (black men) would do the same thing. Let's not forget that Mrs. Bundrage did some trash talking to Floyd prior to the fight between K9 and Ishe and in her role as Manager for her husband is why Mayweather retorted in the first place irregardless of his antics; she got back the negative energy she put out.

Now, am I saying that everything was in good taste that Floyd did? No, but given the gravity of the moment and the fight taking place in the ring it applied.

Your thoughts?
Cheesey1
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 4 2013, 08:22 PM) *
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2013030...ION03/303040334

I for one do not agree that Floyd defines all black men (especially Your's Truly), it is inflammatory articles like these especially by Uncle Tom Negroes who help to continue to perpetuate not only the racial hate black men receive but also the hate towards a man in a sport where persona is perception and perception a reality (for some).

How can this Uncle Ben (Terry Foster) say that Floyd defines us: I've never been to prison, I don't hit women (if that's what he really did) and I haven't fathered children out of wedlock.

Sure Floyd is a great boxer and whatever he was doing to Mrs. Bundrage at that moment doesn't spell out that all of us (black men) would do the same thing. Let's not forget that Mrs. Bundrage did some trash talking to Floyd prior to the fight between K9 and Ishe and in her role as Manager for her husband is why Mayweather retorted in the first place irregardless of his antics; she got back the negative energy she put out.

Now, am I saying that everything was in good taste that Floyd did? No, but given the gravity of the moment and the fight taking place in the ring it applied.

Your thoughts?

I quickly skimmed through the article and the guy's like most internet writers, lazy and agenda driven. Lazy because he didn't bother to research what caused the interaction.
While I agree with him that hip-hop has become a tragic, confused mess (when he talks about the degradation of African-American women),but the rest of his article was classic, "look at me massah, I ain't like the rest of them."

Anyway, I completely agree with your post, BrutalBK.

Also, if he's trying to earn brownie points with the 'Lords of the Plantation,' then he should proof read his Tom foolery the next time he writes.
mrchitown
People who write or say stuff like that clearly seem, to have self hate issues. Floyd did it and I believe he went too far after repeatedly doing it. But everybody carries a joke too far at one time or another and anyone who says they haven't is a liar. The writer clearly used Floyd's name and status to illustrate his point which in my view discredits him. I really miss true journalism. The internet and websites alike are filled with bloggers. And it's a big difference between bloggers and writers.

I'm a black man and I absolutely hate when someone says WE as if WE are all one in the same. I bet it wouldn't have been WE if Mayweather would've posed for a photo with her and/or carried on a nice convo with her after the fight. It just would've been Floyd, now because something seemingly negative happens, it's we. The hip hop excuse is pretty lame, there's a difference between rap and hip hop and true fans of the genre know that. Hip Hop has nothing to do with that situation and many situations that take place. Those who view it as such are mentally weak IMO.

Everybody's always looking to blame something on, and in many cases with black people, they say it's hip hop. That women being demeaned BS has to stop because it happens in all races. So they got that from hip hop? FOH, people need to stop blaming genres of music for problems because I can;t count on 1 hand how many forms of music white people actually started. The media magnifies what they want to and we know who's behind that machine, this clown is just making it more easier for them to get their ideals across. Media is the new form of slavery for blacks in America
mgrover
What the writer seems to be describing is what 100% of men have done atleast once in there life, black/white/asian men have all demeaned women atleast once in there life. In regards to Floyd and what not, it wasn't a classy move, but hey this is the hurt business. It would of been better directed at K9 how never shuts the fuck up. But so be it.
Cshel86
Another "writer" playing the "look at this oh-so powerful young, black, rich man that negatively influences the masses" card?! Get ouuutta here, really?! Say it aint so.

Seriously though, if a man walks up dancing and putting his dick all over your girlfriend/wife/significant other, then he deserves to get his ass kicked. Sadly, in this case, nothing was done about it. The most that happened was a punk ass article being written...is the problem solved? Absolutely not.

It just makes people look at Floyd more and more like the mindless douche that they already perceive him to be. How many people already feel this way about him? SEVERAL. What can those same people do about their thoughts of him? Absolutely nothing. There you have it.

As MG mentioned, people of all races have demeaned women in one way or another. Hell, your favorite singer, rapper, rockstar, actor, etc has demeaned a woman at least once in life...whether the issue was made public or not. That doesn't make it okay, but it happens all the time.

Fuck, even women demean other women and project this disgusting persona of how women with some type of money or fame act...I'm sure that most (if not all) of us have glanced at least one episode of Bad Girls Club, Real Housewives of (wherever tha fuck, insert city here), Love & Hip-Hop, etc. Hell, some/most women nowadays clamor over every upcoming episode of that shit, whether most are willing to admit it or not.

The whole "hyprocritical" black man nonsense has got to stop. Everybody (regardless of race) has had a hypocritical moment in their life...some more than others. Most people think that Manny is on PEDs and discredit the latter part of his career, but they're happy as hell that he beat tha hell outta Margarito. Hypocrisy? Justice served? Who knows. The writer is reaching here, and he's trying to take on a tall order.

If he wants to go there, then he can start with the music industry who gives these young "hypocritical" black males the opportunity to show the world just how cool it is to demean women, sell drugs, wear this and that, flash money, lie, etc. Then he can tackle social media (youtube, facebook, twitter, instgram, etc.) for giving them the chance to flaunt their lifestyle/character/etc.

Then he can tackle how parents dont monitor their children's activities (social media, television, etc). THEN he can tackle the fact that some of those same parents are "hypocritical" because they dont want their children watching that type of stuff, but yet, they're grown asses love it, and vicariously live by it. Oh what hypocrites they are, ooooh.

So if this chickenshit writer wants to fix this one problem, then he has some heavy lifting to do.

Dolimite
My dad doesn't act like Floyd, my President doesn't act like neither did my grandpap. I don't know what this guy is talking about, hell I don't act like that. Floyd is not the gold standard for Black men, and not only that but there are other athletes who act like bigger dicks than Floyd. What he said about k-9 wife was a response she said to him. I doubt if he meant it seriously. Plus who the hell is this guy to judge anyone? I rather have Mayweather than Allen Keys represent us. And there are so many positive black men that outweigh negative ones. The media just likes to focus on the negative ones. It adds to the hype.
BrutUalBK

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It just makes people look at Floyd more and more like the mindless douche that they already perceive him to be. How many people already feel this way about him? SEVERAL. What can those same people do about their thoughts of him? Absolutely nothing. There you have it.


Before I address the quote above I'd like to take a moment and say thanks to all my proud bruthas on this forum for standing up to Uncle Bum Negroids like that fool (Terry Who Am I Foster), it is bad enough that all of the scientific "projects"(notice that this is the place where some of our people live is called) our insane handlers have perpetuated upon us that has divided us so much so in this present day and society but it is an altogether atrocity when we jump on one another to side with those who are and have been against us since the beginning just to pad one's resume in hopes of a higher position in slavedom.

It reminds me of this (I'm sure yall all heard it before): I've been taught to respect my elders and behave, even if when they were younger they sold slaves, truth and understanding is what I crave in the land of the thief-home of the slave.

Now onto the quote: It is just as we stated: "perception"!! The perception is the reality when it comes to how black people (in this case, Floyd) have been demonized not only in this country but in this world as a whole through their media (like yall said, media is the new slavery), so any chance the media gets to try to discredit us then they'll take it.

Floyd is sure to not win any points with those who are against him for this, in fact, this is the very fuel they need and wanted for the fire. Notice how the media never went all out to demonize Rothlesberger (I know I spelled it wrong) despite him raping a woman (maybe even 2) but no media was around him following his every move and making any issues out of anything he said of did during that time.

I guess it's good for guys who hate Floyd like Brother Terry that Guerrero won't be the one to dethrone or KO Floyd because now that Uncle Vom (short for vomit) will have something else to write about in his next piece of crap (I don't dare call it journalism).

daprofessor
this guy said it best:

Robert Murphy
Floyd Mayweather now carries the banner of black masculinity? Clearly, this is where I get off. It is ridiculous to make this an issue about black male hypocrisy. In his defense Mayweather to my knowledge has never claimed to be aligned or support black causes (and I don't even like the guy). Floyd Mayweather is a clown who has never shown any allegiance to anything other than himself and he does a poor job managing that. To indicate Mayweather defines black manhood is to say that Gary Busey defines white manhood or that Pablo Escobar defines Latino manhood. Floyd's behavior is a classless, ignorant, and cowardice it has nothing to do with his race.

mrchitown
The racism and hatred this article has brought out of some people is just plain sad
daprofessor
anyone know what K-9 or his wife said prior to the fight to spur floyd to clown like that?
mrchitown
She just said some things about Ishe and that after K-9 beats Ishe, he's going to go on and beat Mayweather too. So after they saw each other at the final press conference, some trash talk occurred and it carried over to the fight night
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 6 2013, 05:56 PM) *
She just said some things about Ishe and that after K-9 beats Ishe, he's going to go on and beat Mayweather too. So after they saw each other at the final press conference, some trash talk occurred and it carried over to the fight night


i might make a derogatory remark about these guys' wives here in an anonymous forum about how i'd do things to them that i wouldn't do to farm animals...etc...etc...but in real life, unless family members display aggression...they're off limits. if he wanted to talk shit to her...no problem, do it when it happens...but clownin her at the fight while her man is in the ring seems kind of childish. i know anyone in K-9's situation wouldn't have tolerated floyd disrespecting his woman.
KOpower
Saying Floyd represents black men is terrible and just wrong. It isn't factually correct.

Floyd is what he is. He is an amazing fighter with supreme dedication and discipline towards his craft. He is also a small, little man with little or no discipline in the rest of his life. I blame it more on his father and family structure. he had a miserable father and no family structure so he ended up being the joke of a man that he is today. What real man beats the mother of his children in front of those children? Seriously? I just can't respect someone like that. I have supreme respect for Floyd as a fighter, but no respect towards him as a man. It's just who he is at this point in his life. Hopefully he can get his act together b/c he does have a few kids he needs to look after and he needs to become a far better role model for them, otherwise he runs the risk of having them turn out to be the man (or lack of one) that he has turned out to be.

What I will say is the lack of respectful adult fathers in the African-American community is a MAJOR problem. It is a HUGE issue that I wish would be taken more seriously.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 6 2013, 06:34 PM) *
i might make a derogatory remark about these guys' wives here in an anonymous forum about how i'd do things to them that i wouldn't do to farm animals...etc...etc...but in real life, unless family members display aggression...they're off limits. if he wanted to talk shit to her...no problem, do it when it happens...but clownin her at the fight while her man is in the ring seems kind of childish. i know anyone in K-9's situation wouldn't have tolerated floyd disrespecting his woman.


I think he took it too far, and no one from his camp and definitely no one else who was looking at the situation did anything to stop it. That says alot. I bet K9 would've been the only one to do something about it.

He shouldn't have acted like that, now according to Ellerbe she started up at the fight and some back and forth took place. To me, that's cool but once he made the decision to get out of his seat and do what he did that was a bit much.
The Original MrFactor
i didnt take the article the same way the OP and several others took it. I just saw it as an article about Floyd mayweather. I didnt see the slight about ALL black males, of which I am one. I saw much of the article just describing the behavior of one particulat black male. It did appear that Mayweather could have been a bit more classy when dealing with Bundrage's wife. She seemed to be the one that handled things in a classy way.
oozemcbuck
In that case, Nicaraguans are a bunch of assholes because of Mayorga, who used to tell fighters he was gonna fuck their wife. So by his definition, Sergio Martinez is an asshole. Right ?
Cshel86
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Mar 7 2013, 02:52 AM) *
i didnt take the article the same way the OP and several others took it. I just saw it as an article about Floyd mayweather. I didnt see the slight about ALL black males, of which I am one. I saw much of the article just describing the behavior of one particulat black male. It did appear that Mayweather could have been a bit more classy when dealing with Bundrage's wife. She seemed to be the one that handled things in a classy way.

I take it that you didn't see the picture of him and Bundrage's wife, on the right side of the 2nd paragraph. No?
scdrking2
What a clown the writer is. Floyd was out of order for what he did, but some context on their professional interaction prior to this taunting would have been in order. And in regard to this being a defining act for Black men, what about all the baseball players (meaning white) I have seen on the news or in the paper discuss the taunting their wives and kids get on the road from loud mouth jerks during the playoffs? Do those men define white males?
Cshel86
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 5 2013, 08:47 PM) *
Floyd is sure to not win any points with those who are against him for this, in fact, this is the very fuel they need and wanted for the fire. Notice how the media never went all out to demonize Rothlesberger (I know I spelled it wrong) despite him raping a woman (maybe even 2) but no media was around him following his every move and making any issues out of anything he said of did during that time.

Yep, Rapelisberger definitely lost his marbles with two women within a 21-month period. It seemed to get covered up rather quickly, but according to the first incident, there 8 or 9 other people involved, but the fact that the 2nd incident involved him as well, seemed a bit fishy.
Dolimite
Here is the thing, if K-9 didn't demand an apology from Floyd what he did to his wife then really that is on him. Also we can not be chivalric when a woman is not acting as such. If she was talking big shit and acting like a boss, then there are rules to the game. Do I think what he did was wrong? On a certain level of being a gentleman and a man yes, but that business side of me says: FAIR GAME. This writer is a dick. Andre Ward, Chad Dawson and a slue of other boxers are great examples of African American men. Why not highlight them? Like someone mentioned, Floyd came up from the rough side of the mountain he might not be as polished as some us would like. As far as his issues with his children's mother, I have no idea, I do not read into the man's personal life, but by all accounts, he does take care of his children. A lot of sports figures who are balling do not even do that. We can always spot the stains in other people, especially the obvious ones, but we also pick our heroes. Tyson is well beloved now, but not when he ruled boxing, everyone hated the guy. Floyd is Floyd, I love his talent inside the ring, and he is who he is outside. I think this writer should try to write meaningful articles instead of the obvious. He has done some foul shit but he has also done so extraordinary things as well.
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 8 2013, 08:52 AM) *
I take it that you didn't see the picture of him and Bundrage's wife, on the right side of the 2nd paragraph. No?



Yeah, i can kind of make out the pics. What do you think of them?
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Mar 7 2013, 01:52 AM) *
i didnt take the article the same way the OP and several others took it. I just saw it as an article about Floyd mayweather. I didnt see the slight about ALL black males, of which I am one. I saw much of the article just describing the behavior of one particulat black male. It did appear that Mayweather could have been a bit more classy when dealing with Bundrage's wife. She seemed to be the one that handled things in a classy way.



You didn't? What about this crap coming from the Uncle Vom negroid's story:

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You can chalk it up to boys being boys. But here's my problem: It's another case of black males being hypocrites.


Notice how he tends to implicate all of us (Black Males) and he clearly states that it is ANOTHER case of us (black males) being hypocrites.

Why not just implicate Floyd? Why indite all of us?? Clearly dude is Uncle Voming for the man in this article.

Bundrage's wife was out of line to start off all of this in the first place, now I'm not saying that makes Floyd correct in his behavior but it was certainly a spade being returned as she in her role as Manager/Promoter for her husband at the moment was talking some pretty hard ish which is what set all of this off in the first place.

You reap what you sow<<<<to coin what the Word of God says.
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Mar 9 2013, 10:56 PM) *
You didn't? What about this crap coming from the Uncle Vom negroid's story:


Notice how he tends to implicate all of us (Black Males) and he clearly states that it is ANOTHER case of us (black males) being hypocrites.

Why not just implicate Floyd? Why indite all of us?? Clearly dude is Uncle Voming for the man in this article.

Bundrage's wife was out of line to start off all of this in the first place, now I'm not saying that makes Floyd correct in his behavior but it was certainly a spade being returned as she in her role as Manager/Promoter for her husband at the moment was talking some pretty hard ish which is what set all of this off in the first place.

You reap what you sow<<<<to coin what the Word of God says.



I apologize, didnt see that when i originally read it. After even seeing that, i'm not all that offended. I wont lose much sleep over this guys opinion.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Mar 10 2013, 05:01 AM) *
I apologize, didnt see that when i originally read it. After even seeing that, i'm not all that offended. I wont lose much sleep over this guys opinion.



No apologies required, it wasn't all that offended but it appears that when the media is allowed to lump all of us together especially when they find it fittingly so to demonize us i take offense to it and even more so when it is one of our own kind who is doing it. I didn't lose any sleep over it either but I'm glad we're in the USA so I can have my opinion to be able to seperate myself from this classism behavior that stereotypes all of us to be one and the same.
Cshel86
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Mar 9 2013, 05:02 AM) *
Yeah, i can kind of make out the pics. What do you think of them?

I just saw him putting his sac all up against another man's wife...that's all that I needed to see. It looked even worse because she was sitting down when he did it. Lol
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 11 2013, 10:19 AM) *
I just saw him putting his sac all up against another man's wife...that's all that I needed to see. It looked even worse because she was sitting down when he did it. Lol



Things like this are usually one-sided whenever we hear about a celebrity and a non-celebrity; the blame is always aimed at those in the limelight. She started clowning Floyd or rather Ishe first and the favor was returned in spades, Floyd said to her at one point "your husband calls himself K9 but he's fighting like a Chihuahua."

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfALuYZAFx4
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