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Jack 1000
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Mar 18 2013, 01:51 PM) *
I cringed several times during this fight. I Cant believe Bradley finished it. It was one of the most brutal fights I've ever seen. Tim Bradley left a bit of himself in the ring. His wife and mother may be the ones who tell him its quitin' time. It was that bad. I can absolutely see him calling it quits. The post fight interview said enough for me. I think this beating was worse than the one Cotto took against Margarito. Cotto could walk in a straight line after the fight. Bradley was walking crooked after that fight. I was happy to see him win, but felt bad at the cost of the win.


However,

I have to agree with CShel and some others. Isn't the potential for quitting after one tough fight a little premature? Bradley shocked us by giving us a near classic type of brawl. I don't think he should quit after one fight. These are the kind of fights that are going to resurrect HBO's dying fan and subscription base. The public wants wars like this. I know that there's a flip-side that wars shorten careers, but its almost the kind of thing we need in our sport to get people interested in boxing and talking about boxing,away from their MMA mindsets. Bradley hasn't been a household name to do that. However, now people are talking more about the great fight they saw with the "Russian Rocky" instead of putting Tim in a negative light as the guy who got this huge Christmas gift against Pacquiao in an undeserved split decision win.

Give him at least six month off and lets see what happens for his future plans. It would be more realistic to assess this at that time. Holyfield fought for decades, alternating between wars with smaller fighters, and with the STRONG exception of the Bowe Trillogy. had some boring fights against bigger taller guys. (Lewis I and II) Tim reminds me of a mini Holyfield in looks, fighting spirit, and now we know he can brawl with heart or box very well. Holyfield could be stunned badly when he brawled against unknowns i,e (Bert Cooper) I wonder if Tim's people took the big Russian too lightly? Did Bradley not train as well as he would have, if this had been a big name fighter? One way or the other, he will learn from this in a big way, but needs a solid six months to a year break.

Jack
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 16 2013, 01:43 PM) *
I hate that I'm out of town for this one, but I'll be with you guys in spirit. I can leave a prediction, right? Lol

I used to dislike Bradley with a passion, but thanks to Professor, I'm now a Bradley fan. laugh.gif

I believe that this is Bradley's fight to lose. I see him beating a lot of guys, but this Provo guy may not be a walk in the park. I've yet to see anybody stand up to Timmy's bully-type style...but tonight may be the night.

I believe this Provo guy is a significant wild card in this situation...according to his record, but we all know how that goes

If Provo is first tonight, then we have to see how Timmy adjusts. He usually adjusts well, but if Provo is as tough as the other Asian fighter (I believe his last name is Kim), then this one should be interesting.

I'll be the oddball to say that Bradley gets dropped tonight, but finishes the fight in great comeback effort. Maybe he's gotten sharper since his last fight with one of the greatest fighters of this generation. Who knows.

Bradley eeks out a nasty decision in this one.


another good call. i didn't give this bout much thought but i watched ruslans fights last friday and knew it was going to be a tough one. everyone was still bickering about floyd's comments over ward that this one just flew under the radar. after this fight...i am an even bigger bradley fan!!! fuck lampley and kellerman.
daprofessor
QUOTE (VJones @ Mar 16 2013, 10:02 PM) *
If I didn't trust my own eyes, I wouldn't know what was going on in this fight listening to Lampley & Co. Jesse Vargas is a bore. They can't make him exciting or appealing. Letterman is the only one watching the fight I'm watching tonight. These HBO cheerleaders are trying too hard.


they really suck ass. i can't stand lampley and kellerman. i used to like kellerman but he's taken on this arrogant/pompous attitude lately.
daprofessor
QUOTE (VJones @ Mar 16 2013, 10:18 PM) *
You and me both, Cheesy! I can't watch HBO. It's so out of hand. I usually turn off the volume when I get really annoyed, but that irks me because its not quite the same...I enjoy the sounds of gloves touching flesh, rushing air, groans, moans, the crowd. I pay for all of that. And HBO is ruining these matches!

I don't have Deportes. Wish I did. smile.gif

Oh yeah, and these "judges" should truly be ashamed. Ruining the sport.


preaching to the choir. laugh.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 16 2013, 10:28 PM) *
Looked like a KD to me, what yall think fellas?


ruslan pushed him down. he probably would have fell eventually...but ruslan took that knockdown away from himself.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Mar 16 2013, 10:28 PM) *
Bradley was standing and trading for no reason. Provodnikov got lucky.


no such thing as luck in boxing.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Mar 16 2013, 10:34 PM) *
When Bradley jabs and moves, it's not even close. He's playing right into the other guy's hands when he stands and exchanges basic power punches.


yup. i think he was trying to make a statement.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Mar 16 2013, 10:36 PM) *
All the shit that people were saying definitely made Bradley try to prove something in the first two rounds. Dumb ass. Just beat the guy and who cares what the press and 'fans' have to say.


he cares.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Mar 16 2013, 10:40 PM) *
I dont think theyre accurate on HBO. Sure Bradley was out on his feet but he was still dodging and landing. Alvarado, while stopped too early, was blank for about 3 seconds


understatement of the year. laugh.gif

bradley is hated by hbo/lampley/kellerman. make no mistake about it. he ruined their boy.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Mar 16 2013, 10:43 PM) *
Yeah, I'm sure there's some ring rust.


i agree.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Mar 16 2013, 10:48 PM) *
Maxx made a good comparison. Bradley is like a mini Holyfield


i agree with that.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Mar 16 2013, 10:51 PM) *
Steroids take Tim Bradley injections! Dude was just getting killed and ended the round with a roar and flex of his muscles


laugh.gif dude is a beast!!!
mgrover
While I really dislike Bradley even I don't want him slurring like Rios at any age
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Mar 16 2013, 11:03 PM) *
Freddy is gonna stop the fight because he doesnt want Provodnikov to beat the guy Manny didnt lol This fight needs to go on!


he was getting his head bopped back and catching the uppercuts with his chin....ruslan is one of those guys u have to kill to stop. he takes a helluva shot.
daprofessor
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Mar 16 2013, 11:13 PM) *
Can we say rematch? I scored it for bradley


in the rematch bradley goes for the easy win by outboxing ruslan. he made the fight more difficult than it needed to be.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Mar 16 2013, 11:15 PM) *
That was some cheap shit from the Russian! He leaned and pushed Bradley down prior to the knockdown! Totally stole Bradleys legs, cheap shit!


i thought so too.
scdrking2
I may skip the Rios Alvarado fight. I could see those two trying to out do the Bradley scrap. Not good.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 18 2013, 04:05 PM) *
i thought so too.

I thought I was the only one that saw that and I was buzzing hard lol
checkleft
QUOTE (scdrking2 @ Mar 18 2013, 04:11 PM) *
I may skip the Rios Alvarado fight. I could see those two trying to out do the Bradley scrap. Not good.

The thing with rios alvarado was that they were talking about making a bad ass fight, plus going in I knew those guys couldn't fight any other way that's why I felt the commentary team was way over the top and the fight was a little overhyped

Bradley COULD have definitely fought an easier fight but let it all hang out because he wanted to get in there and trade! That's what made it so incredible, especially seeing Bradley basically knocked out on his feet still firing away and taking shots.

Roach even said it was one of the best fights he's ever seen.
Jack 1000
QUOTE (scdrking2 @ Mar 18 2013, 03:11 PM) *
I may skip the Rios Alvarado fight. I could see those two trying to out do the Bradley scrap. Not good.


But the only problem is, that's the only way they know how to fight to be effective. Neither can box well. Tim Bradley can box well, but he didn't want all the negative PR to continue with his controversial win over Pacquiao, so he elected to brawl. He also appeared to underestimate the power of the Russian, in fact the Russian as an opponent overall

Jack
checkleft
QUOTE (Franchize @ Mar 16 2013, 11:51 PM) *
Steroids take Tim Bradley injections! Dude was just getting killed and ended the round with a roar and flex of his muscles

He's on that Kenneth Faried shit, the guy is a manimal. Bet you that even scared rios lol
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Mar 16 2013, 11:22 PM) *
Provodnikov's face looks like he got stung by a giant bee.


elephant man...
daprofessor
QUOTE (VJones @ Mar 16 2013, 11:24 PM) *
This dude just joined the ranks with JCC jr., in thinking that getting a knockdown in the 12th wins you a fight. Smh. 12 rounds of boxing, guy. 12 rounds.


exactly. both guys came really close though. laugh.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 16 2013, 11:27 PM) *
FOTY candidate! Ruslan is a straight up warrior. Bradley showed heart and gave props to Ruslan. Great fight! Great Fight!

I don't see how Vargas won, he fought smart but I would of been happy with a draw, the score cards were a joke as usual. Back to Bradley and Ruslan, a lot of heart and to be honest I want to see Ruslan fight again. Pac couldn't even put a broken ankle Bradley on his ass and Ruslan did it twice! Outstanding fight!

I didn't know he suffered mentally to that extinct after beating Pacquiao. You can't listen to critics. I am happy to hear George Foreman will be announcing a fight again and to be honest I can not wait to hear him. I hate Kellerman and Roy Jones creepy laught throughout the fight made me squirm. Big Props to Bradley and Ruslan. Fight of the year indeed, wasn't expecting that. Freddie is batting 0s. Great fight! Great fight!


really? where did u hear that???
daprofessor
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Mar 17 2013, 12:50 PM) *
I wonder how this version of Bradley would have done against the versions of Rios and Alvarado that fought each other, or any top 140-147 guy for that matter. Provodnikov was supposed to be this unknown to make Bradley look good, it turned out to be anything but good in terms of Bradley getting almost KTFO by an unknown! But the fight was THRILLING! And when is the last time Bradley was in a fight like that?

Jack


i think bradley beats them both. ruslan stops them.
daprofessor
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Mar 18 2013, 08:06 AM) *
Been a Bradley fan for some years now. He absolutely IS a great fighter. The thing that plagues him is his lack of power. Unfortunately he actually showed some power in this last fight, its just that it was against a guy with an iron jaw. Provodnikov is a tough out for anyone. He's going to make some serious noise at 147. He reminds me of Katsidas, just much, much tougher. He's gonna stop some guys in the top 3 or 4 of the division. That will be the measuring stick for which we measure Bradley. Bradley beat this tough guy that KO'd some guys in the top 3 or 4.

Trouble is nobody wants any parts of Provodnikiv now. He did himself a disservice by being too good. Bradley may need a year off after this one. He looked really bad after this fight. Took a lot of hammers to the head. I hope he's alright. I wouldn't blame him for calling it quits after this one. I think it took that much out of him.


same here. i've been a bradley fan since way back. he is a great fighter and this fight illustrated a lot of what he has.

that being said...i believe both guys took major damage in this fight and even though provodnikov didn't show it....he's been softened up as well. neither guy should fight a tough guy after this. i really hope they don't do the rematch. the trilogy thing is killing boxing careers unnecessarily.
daprofessor
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Mar 18 2013, 08:20 AM) *
" I AM DIZZY RIGHT NOW" BRADLEY IN INTERVIEW WITH KELLERMAN... yeah.. he will be out of the sport sooner than later


i think he's going to realize, fuck the fans...and just focus on winning. that win may have gotten him more fans...but he needs to go back to what he does. he had nothing to prove imo.
Cshel86
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Mar 18 2013, 02:51 PM) *
I cringed several times during this fight. I Cant believe Bradley finished it. It was one of the most brutal fights I've ever seen. Tim Bradley left a bit of himself in the ring. His wife and mother may be the ones who tell him its quitin' time. It was that bad. I can absolutely see him calling it quits. The post fight interview said enough for me. I think this beating was worse than the one Cotto took against Margarito. Cotto could walk in a straight line after the fight. Bradley was walking crooked after that fight. I was happy to see him win, but felt bad at the cost of the win.


QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Mar 18 2013, 02:57 PM) *
Tim's dimensions dont really give him the luxury of being a boxer. He's always been more brawler than boxer. In previous fights it was his ability to throw more punches than his opponent that won him the day. he was never really a boxer. He's gonna fight Provodnikov the exact same way should they rematch. Its his speed an combo's that keep people from really setting themselves and punching back. Thats what won him the fight here. Since he's a little dude with short arms, he's not gonna win by throwing a high number of jabs.

He won this fight the same way he always wins. And his head wasnt even a factor in this one. Bradley tried to sit down on his punches to get a stoppage and realized after the 2nd that he has to be regular Tim and throw lots of softer punches.

I cringed as well, I wont deny that for one second. No doubt, the action and sustained damage in that fight was unbearable at times, but I wont sit here and act like I haven't seen the Gatti/Ward trilogy. As for his mother and wife being the ones to convince him to call it quits, if they were smart, they'd better imply it and leave it to Tim.

Taking care of a family can hit you in the pockets, so they'd better not go overboard with the suggestions of him hanging them up. I say that because Tim looked mentally stung by the Pac controversy, and it showed in the way he fought. Tim's a strong guy, but I saw him mentally rocked before the first bell rang last weekend. If his family comes off as overly concerned about his health, he may take it as a sign that he just cant perform at the top level...somebody's gotta believe in him (other than himself). If he goes to the ring with that type of doubt in his mind, then we may see worse than what we saw Saturday.

Just seeing his home on 24/7 and his lifestyle, it doesn't appear that he lives above his means. With that in mind, it MAY not be hard for him to walk away from the sport, so that may be a feasible choice for him, if he so decides. As for him sticking around the sport, the only dangerous fights I see out there for him, is Rios. As for the other hard hitters out there, he's pretty much protected because of promotional rivalries (Guerrero, Khan, Ortiz, Maidana).

So yes, I can see him continuing. Marquez would give him a bit of trouble, but not so much at this stage of Juan's career. A Rios fight is the worst matchup for him right now, but money is written over both of those fights. I somewhat agree with his dimensions, which somewhat restricts him from being considered a boxer.

I always had Khan beating him, had they ever fought. The size was going to be a factor in that fight, as well as speed and work rate. Anyhow, had he fought the proper fight, he would've won easily, or hell, at least he would've gotten dropped like Sergio did in the 12th of the Chavez fight. No way we were supposed to see all of that nonsense earlier. I see if Ruslan cut the ring off and caught Tim with a good punch in the first round, but let's be real here, Tim was swinging wild and not moving his head. Ruslan is like Margarito, he can only hurt you if you play his game, other than that, you can hit him all night.
daprofessor
QUOTE (scdrking2 @ Mar 18 2013, 08:25 AM) *
Do you really think it was that bad he could potentially call it quits? I was not thinking so, but I do believe his trainer is going to have a real come to Jesus meeting of the minds with him. I honestly dont think he will train him going forward it that is what he has to be involved in. If that is the only way for a guy to feed his family, that is one thing, but Tim doesnt have to do that to be effective at a high level in the sport. I think boxing has become a family affair for the Bradley family. They are close knit, Tim probably has made a bit of money with a few coins in the bank and he is better off long term leveraging his savings and going into retirement healthy than making more money, but having brain damage/ALS/seizures later in life. His wife and mother walked out during or after round two. Maybe I sound weak or not like a hard core boxing fan. I am not even a huge TB fan.I just hate to see guys do that to themselves.


i don't think he'll quit but they definitely need to have a come to jesus and leave that trading bombs stuff to the guys who don't know how to box. tim is much better than what he showed and is capable of beating a guy like ruslan in much easier fashion. he just bought into the bullshit from hating ass fans. his crime is that he's the guy that beat pacquaio and the pactards will never forgive him for that. what he needs to realize is that those ass clowns are not real boxing fans so who gives a shit what they think. go back to smart boxing and what got you to the top tim!!!
scdrking2
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Mar 18 2013, 03:34 PM) *
But the only problem is, that's the only way they know how to fight to be effective. Neither can box well. Tim Bradley can box well, but he didn't want all the negative PR to continue with his controversial win over Pacquiao, so he elected to brawl. He also appeared to underestimate the power of the Russian, in fact the Russian as an opponent overall

Jack


You are correct, but I watched the fight again on Sunday and it reminded me of the fight scene in the movie Cool Hand Luke. All the prisoners start of cheering and Luke is getting whipped, but he refuses to quit. Keeps getting up. Keeps swinging. The person fighting him doesnt want to fight him anymore and the other inmates kinda just start walking off saying someone needs to stop this.

As a Mayweather fan, folks may take this the wrong way, but Freddie Roach is going to get his fighters in the same medical condition he is in later in life. I dont hate Freddie or anything, but with all the challenges he has medically, he should really know better. Which to a degree he must as to why he openly threatened to stop the fight even though Bradley had already made visits to the hurt locker. Even though Bradley won the fight, I bet Diaz in the future stops any similar fight without hesitation.

I wonder how the increase in sports media is impacting our view (specifically mine) of the topic of sports injuries. We see much more of their lives through exposes like 30 for 30, 24/7, Real Sports etc. And we see more of the guys we rooted for after their career now. You have some guys who will live lives that will make you proud you cheered for them. Guys like a George Foreman (although since I am in my late 30's, his career arc was before my time) who seems to be living a more full life post career than during, although I know that came with quite a few twists and turns. Then we see those who seem to have been decimated by their career. Back day, how many people saw or knew how guys like Mike Webster or Al Toon were suffering from concussions/brain injuries. Knowing that we will see more of them post career due to increased demand for sports media content and almost endless outlets (radio, satellite, blogs, cable, over the air, forums, websites etc). Just wonder if seeing more of the impact of the game will change our consuming habits.

Sorry for droning on like some mother hen. I just need to get the fuck over it.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Mar 18 2013, 03:37 PM) *
Isn't the potential for quitting after one tough fight a little premature?

Unless your name's Victor Ortiz

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 18 2013, 03:40 PM) *
another good call. i didn't give this bout much thought but i watched ruslans fights last friday and knew it was going to be a tough one. everyone was still bickering about floyd's comments over ward that this one just flew under the radar. after this fight...i am an even bigger bradley fan!!! fuck lampley and kellerman.

Yeah, that Floyd stuff definitely gave a lot of people tunnel vision. I knew that a potential fight wasn't going to come out of all the nonsense, so I just left it alone. LOL.

I MAY have seen Ruslan fight before, but then again, I think I got him mixed up with Kim. I could've seen him fight on FNFs, but again, I truly dont remember. I wont lie and say that I didn't feel bad for Bradley, but again this is a contact sport, and the ONLY fighter that I've felt sorry for, was Miguel Cotto. laugh.gif

QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 18 2013, 03:59 PM) *
While I really dislike Bradley even I don't want him slurring like Rios at any age

Same here. With a dome as big as his, he may have another 8 years left on his career. Lol

I cant even agree that Rios slurs, and I actually watched the recent HBO segment. Dude has always talked like he was holding spit in his mouth, then that stupid smile of his doesn't help the matter.

QUOTE (checkleft @ Mar 18 2013, 04:18 PM) *
Roach even said it was one of the best fights he's ever seen.

As much as I don't like Roach from time to time, I've eased up off of him. He DOES speak the truth about his fighters. In this case, I can't say that he was speaking the truth about the Bradley/Provo fight. Me thinks that's he's doing his best to make Timmy seem like a warrior, so the Pacquiao rematch will be THAT much more appealing.

Had he talked shit about Timmy almost being knocked out on several occasions, then he'd only be doing himself an injustice, by making it seem like Manny is about to fight a chinny chump in a comeback bout. Let's not forget that Manny got laid out, so his next opponent should seem as "dangerous" as possible...according to his team, who seem to having a hard time reviving his recently blemished terminator demeanor.

PS: Why didn't Timmy's face look like this after the Pacquaio fight, since so many "devastating" flurries landed on Pac's behalf? Weird, right? laugh.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 18 2013, 08:39 AM) *
Wow, so Bradley had ONE tough fight, and guys are already talking up his retirement. I've read this in various places since I saw the fight yesterday...straight nonsense.

If anything, he should take a little bit of time off, not 10 months, but something close to it. Maybe he'll be fine living off of the check from the Pacquiao fight, besides, he's a family man, so I highly doubt that he dicked away the whole check in 10 months.

I think Bradley's napoleon complex may have served him up a dish of "Oh shit, what just happened?" with a side of "Keep up the tough man nonsense, no need to look like a punk now".

Opponents and their reaction to your fight plan usually differs, but who knows how Ruslan would've conducted himself, had Bradley fought a "stick & move" type fight. Even when Bradley was exchanging, getting the worst of it, refusing to go down, and fighting back at some of the oddest times, I'm sure Provodnikov was mindfucked and thinking, "What in the hell is going on here? He's supposed to be dead by now."

Some opponents get frustrated when you fight a poised fight and they aren't able to touch you...they often think that you're running or afraid to exchange (which is their game). Some guys even get frustrated when they've given you the whole kit & kaboodle, and you're still standing there.


i agree with this whole post.

i'll just add...freddie's talk prior about tim running must have struck a nerve. tim did say something about blasting ruslan out of there too... i think they (tim/joel) are going to look at this and agree that it has to be all about smarter boxing from here on out.

for the record...tim proved to be amazing imo. if you go back and look at the times he was hurt...he didn't run or hold...he stood in the pocket and in some instances got the better of the exchanges. except for the last round, he never let ruslan get the follow up shot to get him out of there. i believe a lot of that had to do with tim's instincts and training as a fighter. he was on auto pilot and almost did everything right. i know the comparison has been made to holyfield....but there is also something about him that reminds me of marvin hagler. he's a workman and has zero quit in him. he just doesn't pac the punch or chin that both hagler and holyfield had. he's top 5 of my favorite fighters at the moment.
daprofessor
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Mar 18 2013, 01:51 PM) *
I cringed several times during this fight. I Cant believe Bradley finished it. It was one of the most brutal fights I've ever seen. Tim Bradley left a bit of himself in the ring. His wife and mother may be the ones who tell him its quitin' time. It was that bad. I can absolutely see him calling it quits. The post fight interview said enough for me. I think this beating was worse than the one Cotto took against Margarito. Cotto could walk in a straight line after the fight. Bradley was walking crooked after that fight. I was happy to see him win, but felt bad at the cost of the win.


my thoughts exactly.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Mar 18 2013, 02:37 PM) *
However,

I have to agree with CShel and some others. Isn't the potential for quitting after one tough fight a little premature? Bradley shocked us by giving us a near classic type of brawl. I don't think he should quit after one fight. These are the kind of fights that are going to resurrect HBO's dying fan and subscription base. The public wants wars like this. I know that there's a flip-side that wars shorten careers, but its almost the kind of thing we need in our sport to get people interested in boxing and talking about boxing,away from their MMA mindsets. Bradley hasn't been a household name to do that. However, now people are talking more about the great fight they saw with the "Russian Rocky" instead of putting Tim in a negative light as the guy who got this huge Christmas gift against Pacquiao in an undeserved split decision win.

Give him at least six month off and lets see what happens for his future plans. It would be more realistic to assess this at that time. Holyfield fought for decades, alternating between wars with smaller fighters, and with the STRONG exception of the Bowe Trillogy. had some boring fights against bigger taller guys. (Lewis I and II) Tim reminds me of a mini Holyfield in looks, fighting spirit, and now we know he can brawl with heart or box very well. Holyfield could be stunned badly when he brawled against unknowns i,e (Bert Cooper) I wonder if Tim's people took the big Russian too lightly? Did Bradley not train as well as he would have, if this had been a big name fighter? One way or the other, he will learn from this in a big way, but needs a solid six months to a year break.

Jack


i disagree. i say fuck hbo and their ratings. not all fans want to see guys pounce on each other like that. it's brutal. i have mixed feelings about the fight to be honest. mma doesn't have shit to do with boxing and vice versa. i'd like to see tim get back to what got him to the top.

realistically, grueling matches can lead to death or physical/mental damage that cannot be undone. these guys have lives to live after boxing. the fans do not truly appreciate what these guys give.
daprofessor
QUOTE (scdrking2 @ Mar 18 2013, 03:11 PM) *
I may skip the Rios Alvarado fight. I could see those two trying to out do the Bradley scrap. Not good.


good call. i'm going to pray for them though. seriously.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Mar 18 2013, 03:18 PM) *
The thing with rios alvarado was that they were talking about making a bad ass fight, plus going in I knew those guys couldn't fight any other way that's why I felt the commentary team was way over the top and the fight was a little overhyped

Bradley COULD have definitely fought an easier fight but let it all hang out because he wanted to get in there and trade! That's what made it so incredible, especially seeing Bradley basically knocked out on his feet still firing away and taking shots.

Roach even said it was one of the best fights he's ever seen.


the saving grace for tim bradley is that he can come back and box to stay out of harms way...ruslan only fights one way. he had to walk through a shit storm to get to the finish line of that fight too. bradley was wobbly...but ruslans face told the story. he can't fight any other way...i think he's been diminished in this fight as well. i'd like to see them both take a long break.


daprofessor
QUOTE (scdrking2 @ Mar 18 2013, 04:25 PM) *
You are correct, but I watched the fight again on Sunday and it reminded me of the fight scene in the movie Cool Hand Luke. All the prisoners start of cheering and Luke is getting whipped, but he refuses to quit. Keeps getting up. Keeps swinging. The person fighting him doesnt want to fight him anymore and the other inmates kinda just start walking off saying someone needs to stop this.

As a Mayweather fan, folks may take this the wrong way, but Freddie Roach is going to get his fighters in the same medical condition he is in later in life. I dont hate Freddie or anything, but with all the challenges he has medically, he should really know better. Which to a degree he must as to why he openly threatened to stop the fight even though Bradley had already made visits to the hurt locker. Even though Bradley won the fight, I bet Diaz in the future stops any similar fight without hesitation.

I wonder how the increase in sports media is impacting our view (specifically mine) of the topic of sports injuries. We see much more of their lives through exposes like 30 for 30, 24/7, Real Sports etc. And we see more of the guys we rooted for after their career now. You have some guys who will live lives that will make you proud you cheered for them. Guys like a George Foreman (although since I am in my late 30's, his career arc was before my time) who seems to be living a more full life post career than during, although I know that came with quite a few twists and turns. Then we see those who seem to have been decimated by their career. Back day, how many people saw or knew how guys like Mike Webster or Al Toon were suffering from concussions/brain injuries. Knowing that we will see more of them post career due to increased demand for sports media content and almost endless outlets (radio, satellite, blogs, cable, over the air, forums, websites etc). Just wonder if seeing more of the impact of the game will change our consuming habits.

Sorry for droning on like some mother hen. I just need to get the fuck over it.


it's one thing watching it on tv. it's another when u know and see these guys in real life. the damage they suffered for the entertainment of others and a check is definitely not worth it. anyone who has ever seen or met bobby chacon will agree with me on this. it turns my stomach to see some of these guys beating on each other like this. while i admire their courage and accomplishments...sometimes they have to be saved from themselves.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 18 2013, 04:27 PM) *
PS: Why didn't Timmy's face look like this after the Pacquaio fight, since so many "devastating" flurries landed on Pac's behalf? Weird, right? laugh.gif


still waiting on a pactard to answer that one.
Dolimite
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 18 2013, 01:59 PM) *
really? where did u hear that???

Lampley announced it after he kept mentioning that there was no one at the Home Depot center. It is a fight that will be overseas. They are broadcasting it.

As far as Timmy's face not being busted up after he fought Pacman, it is because Pac's punches were so fast and hard that Timmy's face didn't have time to bruise.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 18 2013, 06:23 PM) *
Lampley announced it after he kept mentioning that there was no one at the Home Depot center. It is a fight that will be overseas. They are broadcasting it.

As far as Timmy's face not being busted up after he fought Pacman, it is because Pac's punches were so fast and hard that Timmy's face didn't have time to bruise.


laugh.gif that's some funny shit.
Dolimite
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 18 2013, 04:26 PM) *
laugh.gif that's some funny shit.


Professor it is true! I mean the bruising slid down from his face to his ankle, that is how powerful his punches are, the bruising skips the face and goes to another body part. Didn't you see what he did to Margarito!
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 18 2013, 06:31 PM) *
Professor it is true! I mean the bruising slid down from his face to his ankle, that is how powerful his punches are, the bruising skips the face and goes to another body part. Didn't you see what he did to Margarito!


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The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Mar 18 2013, 03:37 PM) *
However,

I have to agree with CShel and some others. Isn't the potential for quitting after one tough fight a little premature? Bradley shocked us by giving us a near classic type of brawl. I don't think he should quit after one fight. These are the kind of fights that are going to resurrect HBO's dying fan and subscription base. The public wants wars like this. I know that there's a flip-side that wars shorten careers, but its almost the kind of thing we need in our sport to get people interested in boxing and talking about boxing,away from their MMA mindsets. Bradley hasn't been a household name to do that. However, now people are talking more about the great fight they saw with the "Russian Rocky" instead of putting Tim in a negative light as the guy who got this huge Christmas gift against Pacquiao in an undeserved split decision win.

Give him at least six month off and lets see what happens for his future plans. It would be more realistic to assess this at that time. Holyfield fought for decades, alternating between wars with smaller fighters, and with the STRONG exception of the Bowe Trillogy. had some boring fights against bigger taller guys. (Lewis I and II) Tim reminds me of a mini Holyfield in looks, fighting spirit, and now we know he can brawl with heart or box very well. Holyfield could be stunned badly when he brawled against unknowns i,e (Bert Cooper) I wonder if Tim's people took the big Russian too lightly? Did Bradley not train as well as he would have, if this had been a big name fighter? One way or the other, he will learn from this in a big way, but needs a solid six months to a year break.

Jack


I remember the Cooper fight. Holy had a rough patch, but not 12 rounds of rough patch. I think he was hurt much worse in Bowe/Holy 1. Evander was in some wars, but I truly think this was different for Bradley. Mayweather has a point in ducking some of the guys he avoided. This fight was a career shortener. If a guy doesn't want to sacrifice his well being for my entertainment, I'm ok with that. Don't fight anymore. I wouldn't say a negative thing about Bradley if he called it quits. He just didn't look right after this fight, to me.
neophyte7
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 18 2013, 05:11 PM) *
i think he's going to realize, fuck the fans...and just focus on winning. that win may have gotten him more fans...but he needs to go back to what he does. he had nothing to prove imo.


He wanted to prove his worth due to the PAC fight--- getting his head beat into a concussive state will hopefully dictate a strategy that builds upon the boxing and defensive skills he possesses, especially against one dimensional face first sluggers-- not to take away from the heart and will of the RUSSIAN, but dude is as one dimensional as they come...

QUOTE (scdrking2 @ Mar 18 2013, 05:25 PM) *
As a Mayweather fan, folks may take this the wrong way, but Freddie Roach is going to get his fighters in the same medical condition he is in later in life. I dont hate Freddie or anything, but with all the challenges he has medically, he should really know better


LMAO.... thumbsup_anim.gif
Franchize
Next time Manny spars this guy, maybe he can teach Many how to cut a ring off lol
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 18 2013, 11:00 PM) *
still waiting on a pactard to answer that one.


its cause the Saint heals people not hurt them tongue.gif
sduck
I was saying that while watching the fight, that this dude is definitely hitting and rocking Bradley harder than what Pacquiao did. So he definitely won the fight laugh.gif
checkleft
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 18 2013, 05:27 PM) *
Unless your name's Victor Ortiz


Yeah, that Floyd stuff definitely gave a lot of people tunnel vision. I knew that a potential fight wasn't going to come out of all the nonsense, so I just left it alone. LOL.

I MAY have seen Ruslan fight before, but then again, I think I got him mixed up with Kim. I could've seen him fight on FNFs, but again, I truly dont remember. I wont lie and say that I didn't feel bad for Bradley, but again this is a contact sport, and the ONLY fighter that I've felt sorry for, was Miguel Cotto. laugh.gif


Same here. With a dome as big as his, he may have another 8 years left on his career. Lol

I cant even agree that Rios slurs, and I actually watched the recent HBO segment. Dude has always talked like he was holding spit in his mouth, then that stupid smile of his doesn't help the matter.


As much as I don't like Roach from time to time, I've eased up off of him. He DOES speak the truth about his fighters. In this case, I can't say that he was speaking the truth about the Bradley/Provo fight. Me thinks that's he's doing his best to make Timmy seem like a warrior, so the Pacquiao rematch will be THAT much more appealing.

Had he talked shit about Timmy almost being knocked out on several occasions, then he'd only be doing himself an injustice, by making it seem like Manny is about to fight a chinny chump in a comeback bout. Let's not forget that Manny got laid out, so his next opponent should seem as "dangerous" as possible...according to his team, who seem to having a hard time reviving his recently blemished terminator demeanor.

PS: Why didn't Timmy's face look like this after the Pacquaio fight, since so many "devastating" flurries landed on Pac's behalf? Weird, right? laugh.gif

Just killing it throughout the post lmao!

I agree that timmy took a bigger beating then in both of cottos beatings. Doctors have said time and time again that the worst damage boxers can take is after being concussed. And timmy definitely looked/sounded like he was concussed. Cotto seemed to always be very concious of the damage he was taken. And say what you want about cotto but the guy has/had an awesome chin (something a lot of Puerto rican/Cuban fighters don't) and he takes his beatings like a man.
Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Mar 19 2013, 08:45 AM) *
Just killing it throughout the post lmao!

I agree that timmy took a bigger beating then in both of cottos beatings. Doctors have said time and time again that the worst damage boxers can take is after being concussed. And timmy definitely looked/sounded like he was concussed. Cotto seemed to always be very concious of the damage he was taken. And say what you want about cotto but the guy has/had an awesome chin (something a lot of Puerto rican/Cuban fighters don't) and he takes his beatings like a man.

Lol, I had a lot to get off my chest.

I'm just glad that Ruslan didn't have enough skill to really cut the ring off and bury Bradley. The onslaught rooted from him being too aggressive and not moving his head. I bet he wont give a damn what the fans say from now on...dude was 4 out of 6 feet from a dirt nap...step 5 would've been Timmy lying on the floor, and step 6 would've been the dirt being thrown on him.

I wont lie, my fuckin heart was racing. laugh.gif

Timmy looked and sounded like he had been in a hotbox with Julio, smoking that good stuff. At least he didn't look defeated, in terms of his attitude, but hell who knows, he may cried in the shower in the locker room...no need to do in front of the camera.

Cotto always had a 'B-' to an 'A-' grade chin, he only looked bad when a guy caught him clean on the chin. What a minute, don't most/all fighters go down after being hit with a flush shot to the chin? Of course they do Cshel, wtf are you even talking about bro? So I agree, Cotto had a great chin. laugh.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 18 2013, 08:27 PM) *
its cause the Saint heals people not hurt them tongue.gif


laugh.gif i forgot about his sainthood.
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