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mitukczuk
One more topic for good measure.

When I unfortunantelly read about Mosley getting into that ring once more, I've started wondering. People are quick to judge these days and immeditaly there were commnts about Mosley being broke. I know about his legal issues and lawyer fees because of his divorce, but is there any evidence or proof that he is getting back because of it? Same with James Toney or Roy Jones. People are talking about their bad or none investments at the beginning of their careers but is there any proof that they have these issues now and that's why they fight? Couldn't it be only the fact that they got their brains beaten out of their skulls? Or everyones favorite - they fight because they love the sport ?

If you have any websites or credible sources, please..poste them up. I am curious to see what's the deal...
mgrover
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Mar 25 2013, 07:45 PM) *
One more topic for good measure.

When I unfortunantelly read about Mosley getting into that ring once more, I've started wondering. People are quick to judge these days and immeditaly there were commnts about Mosley being broke. I know about his legal issues and lawyer fees because of his divorce, but is there any evidence or proof that he is getting back because of it? Same with James Toney or Roy Jones. People are talking about their bad or none investments at the beginning of their careers but is there any proof that they have these issues now and that's why they fight? Couldn't it be only the fact that they got their brains beaten out of their skulls? Or everyones favorite - they fight because they love the sport ?

If you have any websites or credible sources, please..poste them up. I am curious to see what's the deal...


I'd be curious too tbh, a lot of the time wanting to be great can eclipse any money offered. I mean realistically what's a man like Toney to do once he retires? Sit around watch tv? Eat his weight in fast food? Well he's already done those things and still wants to fight.
BigDDatHomey
QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 25 2013, 02:56 PM) *
I'd be curious too tbh, a lot of the time wanting to be great can eclipse any money offered. I mean realistically what's a man like Toney to do once he retires? Sit around watch tv? Eat his weight in fast food? Well he's already done those things and still wants to fight.

I don't know about their money issues, if any, but its hard to walk away from anything that you have dedicated your life to.
mgrover
QUOTE (BigDDatHomey @ Mar 25 2013, 09:11 PM) *
I don't know about their money issues, if any, but its hard to walk away from anything that you have dedicated your life to.


sounds about right, more or less what i wanted to say
Cshel86
I always give this same scenario...

1. Money hungry family members
2. Luxury homes = crazy maintenance fees (luxury taxes, pools, indoor/outdoor courts and pools, fish tanks, utilities, etc)
3. Luxury cars
4. Taxes, taxes, and fuckin' taxes
5. Baby mamas/kids/child support
6. Honest families (without the baby mama and child support)
7. Divorces
8. Bad investments

You can add whatever you'd like to this list, but more often than not, some of the things on this list keep fighters fighting longer than they need.
mitukczuk
It looks pretty negative C' biggrin.gif

I am wondering whether some of these guys are actually doing it for the love of sport...Roy Jones didn't seem to be spending his money too wildly or at least he wasn't acting like "Hey look at my gold chainz". Holyfield is done because of his what....20 children? That's clear. But Mosley, Jones or other guys who have come out of the retirement...don't tell me they all fucked up!
bnoles4life
I don't actually think Roy is broke. His addiction, like many other former "in the spotlight" personalities, may be crowd adulation or public praise. It's like that guy in the weight room, who's been absent for a couple of years, returns thinking he can push the weight he used to, failing to realize he's older and that weight isn't gonna feel the same.

Lastly, I agree w/ Shelly....that laundry list, especially, the first, can and usually does, keep fighters fighting waaaaaaay past their date of expiration.
Cshel86
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Mar 26 2013, 08:36 AM) *
It looks pretty negative C' biggrin.gif

I am wondering whether some of these guys are actually doing it for the love of sport...Roy Jones didn't seem to be spending his money too wildly or at least he wasn't acting like "Hey look at my gold chainz". Holyfield is done because of his what....20 children? That's clear. But Mosley, Jones or other guys who have come out of the retirement...don't tell me they all fucked up!

Negative? It's money...not too many good things come out of it. Lol

I know how I feel when I get my little checks, so I can only imagine the whole gladiator syndrome that some of these guys have when they see these million dollar checks, lol.

QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Mar 26 2013, 08:45 AM) *
I don't actually think Roy is broke. His addiction, like many other former "in the spotlight" personalities, may be crowd adulation or public praise. It's like that guy in the weight room, who's been absent for a couple of years, returns thinking he can push the weight he used to, failing to realize he's older and that weight isn't gonna feel the same.

Lastly, I agree w/ Shelly....that laundry list, especially, the first, can and usually does, keep fighters fighting waaaaaaay past their date of expiration.

Lol, right. Don't remind me of those old school cats that come in the gym with sweatbands, high socks, and goggles on...those dudes are wild! Lol

Money issues are nothing new to athletes, especially boxers. Think about it, Floyd can lace up and crack at least $20M in 36 minutes...that's some fast money for yo ass! I'm sure most fighters fighting past their expiration date think the same thing (for smaller money of course)..."If I can survive for 36 minutes, then I can pay off (insert liability here)".

Other athletes have to come back for a whole season to get that type of money, and they're usually bound to a contract, they REALLY have to play past their expiration date. Wouldn't wanna break a contract, now would we? Lol
Dolimite
Boxers aren't the smartest bunch of guys when it comes to the numbers. They are fighters and unlike other sports they do not get guaranteed money. Their purses depend on how popular they are and who they are fighting. These guys do not even finish high school or at times middle school. So they have to trust their funds to accountants and promoters, and we know how honest those people can be. Boxers should really invest in taking a basic math class and accounting. They should realize that their window of opportunity is very short. Not all guys get top purses like Evander, Oscar, Manny P, and Floyd. Actually their purses are almost rare. Boxers need to be smart and learn from boxers of the past. One punch can end a hall of fame career. One mistake can put you away from a very long time. Boxers are like a shooting star bright one day and faded the next. Money MANAGEMENT is key.
mitukczuk
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 26 2013, 08:53 AM) *
Negative? It's money...not too many good things come out of it. Lol


True dat.

Man, this is actually quite a sad topic when you think about it. Fighters not finishing schools resulting in them being stupid when decisions have to be made. Wide ass family circles taking advantage of the more fortunate members. Or fighters past their prime desperately wishing to be in the limelight once more not realizing it's long gone. Money and egos...nothing else.

I wish there were stricter rules and tests in case of fighters who want to go back into that ring lets say..past 35 or whatever the age might be...some fighters are done in their 20s...Brandon Rios. Psychological tests etc. Goddamn we got like thousands of various governing bodies and no true organization that would stop these guys from destroying themselves. But I guess that would only mean that there would be one more organization to bribe. Damn Im starting to heat up just thinking about it..lol
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Mar 25 2013, 02:45 PM) *
One more topic for good measure.

When I unfortunantelly read about Mosley getting into that ring once more, I've started wondering. People are quick to judge these days and immeditaly there were commnts about Mosley being broke. I know about his legal issues and lawyer fees because of his divorce, but is there any evidence or proof that he is getting back because of it? Same with James Toney or Roy Jones. People are talking about their bad or none investments at the beginning of their careers but is there any proof that they have these issues now and that's why they fight? Couldn't it be only the fact that they got their brains beaten out of their skulls? Or everyones favorite - they fight because they love the sport ?
If you have any websites or credible sources, please..poste them up. I am curious to see what's the deal...



No, they're fighting to get paid!! bottom line!
mrchitown
They all fighting for the money. How can people NOT know that RJJ's money problems are almost as bad as Holyfield's.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/455347-...list-gone-wrong

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/4/8/209800...austin-stiverne

He claims his IRS troubles have been settle but I read on a networth site that his money is still lookin funny

No need to link Shane's money problems because that bitch of an ex-wife is the reason he still fights and it's common knowledge that she cleaned him out in the divorce

They all having some sort of financial crisis, none of the fighters named are exceptions. That's what happens when you piss your hard earned money away
mrchitown
Might as well put James Toney's thuggin ass in here.

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2010/10/on-e...-purse-withheld

http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/dan...ke-james-toney/

Shit's disgusting how they blow money
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 26 2013, 05:14 PM) *
Might as well put James Toney's thuggin ass in here.

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2010/10/on-e...-purse-withheld

http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/dan...ke-james-toney/

Shit's disgusting how they blow money

People who usually do not have money do not know how to keep it. They think those big paydays will be forever. They don't invest properly and what is more they buy shit that has no return value. These guys should take a class in economics and money management. They always find out the hard way too late. Plus fathering a bunch of kids is a sure way to deplete your cash flow.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 26 2013, 09:53 PM) *
People who usually do not have money do not know how to keep it. They think those big paydays will be forever. They don't invest properly and what is more they buy shit that has no return value. These guys should take a class in economics and money management. They always find out the hard way too late. Plus fathering a bunch of kids is a sure way to deplete your cash flow.


You just described those who are not in the 1%.....most people don't have money but most people don't piss the bucks they have a way like some athletes tend to do. They get spotlighted because they've been on tv but the issues they face monetarily is regular people shit...with that said I find it so mind boggling how someone can make 100's of millions of dollars and it be squandered but then again I have never had that kinda money so I don't know what it's like. I hope for the day that Tyson, RJJ, Toney, Mosely, even Holyfield (though he's my least favorite boxer of all time) actually dig out of their financial holes. Pacquiao will be in this conversation when his ring days are over and he sees he has nothing to his name
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 26 2013, 08:14 PM) *
Might as well put James Toney's thuggin ass in here.

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2010/10/on-e...-purse-withheld

http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/dan...ke-james-toney/

Shit's disgusting how they blow money

Damn...I had no idea Toney sounded that bad. He was always ignorant as hell (and entertaining), but I seriously needed a leap frog to understand him in this video.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 27 2013, 11:04 AM) *
Damn...I had no idea Toney sounded that bad. He was always ignorant as hell (and entertaining), but I seriously needed a leap frog to understand him in this video.


I kinda noticed it maybe last year or late 2011, he definitely doesn't sound the same
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 27 2013, 06:12 PM) *
I kinda noticed it maybe last year or late 2011, he definitely doesn't sound the same

Dude sounds worse than me after a trip to the bar during a 2-for-1 special. no2.gif
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 27 2013, 09:46 PM) *
Dude sounds worse than me after a trip to the bar during a 2-for-1 special. no2.gif


It is so depressing to watch him and Roy and Shane continue to press on when it's so apparent that the sport has surpassed them. Father time is undefeated and they can't seem to grasp this concept
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Mar 28 2013, 04:49 PM) *
It is so depressing to watch him and Roy and Shane continue to press on when it's so apparent that the sport has surpassed them. Father time is undefeated and they can't seem to grasp this concept

Right. I'm telling you bro, these dudes hardly have any other stream of revenue outside of boxing, especially after some of the bad investments I've seen boxers make over in the past.

I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but these dudes probably have that "If I can survive for 30 mins (10-rounder) or 36 mins (12-rounder), I can make (insert dollar amount)"

If you can make that much money in that short bit of time, then why not keep fighting? It's hard to watch, but these dudes have bills like us. Problem is, they create bills that are outside of their post-career budget. Everything that Tyson does nowadays, goes straight to the IRS, and those were his words. Who wants a 20-acre mansion on their hands after boxing is over?

Gotta keep that yard cut and trim. Gotta maintain that outdoor pool. All of this happens before we even step in the home. Utilities are probably a bitch when you live in a mansion. On a good month, my utilities are around $250...on a bad month, I'm looking at about $400. Imagine having a 10-bedroom house/mansion, with high ass ceilings.

Dont forget about that big ass aquarium at the front of the house that keeps running. Dont forget about the kids playing the PS3 all night...ESPECIALLY in the summer time. Oooweee...I know those dudes cough up over a grand a month in utilities. Let's not forget about property and luxury taxes.

Living life above your means is a fat bitch! laugh.gif
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 1 2013, 12:17 PM) *
Right. I'm telling you bro, these dudes hardly have any other stream of revenue outside of boxing, especially after some of the bad investments I've seen boxers make over in the past.

I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but these dudes probably have that "If I can survive for 30 mins (10-rounder) or 36 mins (12-rounder), I can make (insert dollar amount)"

If you can make that much money in that short bit of time, then why not keep fighting? It's hard to watch, but these dudes have bills like us. Problem is, they create bills that are outside of their post-career budget. Everything that Tyson does nowadays, goes straight to the IRS, and those were his words. Who wants a 20-acre mansion on their hands after boxing is over?

Gotta keep that yard cut and trim. Gotta maintain that outdoor pool. All of this happens before we even step in the home. Utilities are probably a bitch when you live in a mansion. On a good month, my utilities are around $250...on a bad month, I'm looking at about $400. Imagine having a 10-bedroom house/mansion, with high ass ceilings.

Dont forget about that big ass aquarium at the front of the house that keeps running. Dont forget about the kids playing the PS3 all night...ESPECIALLY in the summer time. Oooweee...I know those dudes cough up over a grand a month in utilities. Let's not forget about property and luxury taxes.

Living life above your means is a fat bitch! laugh.gif


Watching Tyson on that real sports segment really effed me up. It just really goes to show that no matter how much money you make it can be gone in an instant. And the IRS don't play...they done got Joe Louis, Tyson, and Snipes lol....Mike been thru so much stuff it's amazing how he deals with it now and how far he's came from that dark place he was at

What really gets me is that he's an example for these athletes to take better care of their money and they just say "well that was him, it won't happen to me". It's like they got tunnel vision or something, it's always 1 fight left in them to prove their greatness, or 1 more payday and I'll stop but they never do.
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