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mgrover
He still has his health, he has his family, does Cotto have anything left to prove? I personally would rather he retires young and lives long. Maybe one more fight to cash out but that's it then. People would say he could be a fight for Lara/Vanes/Angulo/Rosado(maybe) But they should be fighting each other.
Marcus
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 2 2013, 10:54 AM) *
He still has his health, he has his family, does Cotto have anything left to prove? I personally would rather he retires young and lives long. Maybe one more fight to cash out but that's it then. People would say he could be a fight for Lara/Vanes/Angulo/Rosado(maybe) But they should be fighting each other.


Let him fight Canelo as his last big payday then retire.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 2 2013, 09:54 AM) *
He still has his health, he has his family, does Cotto have anything left to prove? I personally would rather he retires young and lives long. Maybe one more fight to cash out but that's it then. People would say he could be a fight for Lara/Vanes/Angulo/Rosado(maybe) But they should be fighting each other.



No, he has nothing left to prove---he is a true warrior who never ducked or dodged anyone and should he decide to ride off into the sunset without facing Canelo then that is not a problem in my book.
Cshel86
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 2 2013, 10:54 AM) *
He still has his health, he has his family, does Cotto have anything left to prove? I personally would rather he retires young and lives long. Maybe one more fight to cash out but that's it then. People would say he could be a fight for Lara/Vanes/Angulo/Rosado(maybe) But they should be fighting each other.

Sadly, he didn't make the most of his free agency, by facing Trout.

That Trout fight did him no favors, now, if he so decides to fight again for big money, it wont necessarily be on his terms. He'll more than likely do himself a favor by taking a tune-up fight, just to prepare himself for a big fight.

Had he and his team chosen someone like Bundrage, rather than Trout, he could've at least been sitting on a title right now, and in a position to make more demands. Cotto's still a big name, but he'll now have to deal with the nonsense of Golden Boy, if Canelo happens to beat Trout.

Cotto should've waited for Trout and Canelo to fight, then fought the winner. His team did it backwards by trying to prove to "the people" (aka stupid fans) that he'll fight whoever. So what if Trout beats Canelo this month, then what? Is Miguel gonna fight Trout again, in a fight that he decisively lost the first time?

If you're at this point of your career where your name is big, you're a free agent, you can call the shots, and cherry pick for big money fights...you dont take stupid fights like a Trout fight. He had Golden Boy by the nuts with his free agency, and was in the position to tell them to "fuck off", had they made him a weak offer for a Canelo fight. NOW, GBP can give Cotto the whole, "you just lost your last two fights" nonsense.

Unfortunately, when it comes to this ginger kid, Golden Boy gets stupid and forgets the rules. Yes, Canelo is becoming a decent draw (or can be considered one in the eyes of the fans), but that doesn't mean that he deserves anywhere near the lion's share of a purse in a high profile fight, until he BEATS a fighter with a name and drawing power.

A Canelo fight is still hanging out there for Cotto, he just has to wait now, and hope that Canelo beats Trout.
Franchize
I tried to tell everyone that the only person he impressed by fighting Trout was boxing purist and avid followers like us. Normally, you want to see guys take on tough, under the radar challenges like this but let's be frank. That was a bad business decision.
sduck
Cotto should retire, he fought the best of this era when available and came big but ultimately short. He made some bad business decisions lately, like when deciding to face Trout right away. He's lost some of his position in rank, and there's no one left worth the money. The best he can do now is end his career on a winning note with one or two more fights, but there's nothing more for him.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 2 2013, 12:14 PM) *
Sadly, he didn't make the most of his free agency, by facing Trout.

That Trout fight did him no favors, now, if he so decides to fight again for big money, it wont necessarily be on his terms. He'll more than likely do himself a favor by taking a tune-up fight, just to prepare himself for a big fight.

Had he and his team chosen someone like Bundrage, rather than Trout, he could've at least been sitting on a title right now, and in a position to make more demands. Cotto's still a big name, but he'll now have to deal with the nonsense of Golden Boy, if Canelo happens to beat Trout.

Cotto should've waited for Trout and Canelo to fight, then fought the winner. His team did it backwards by trying to prove to "the people" (aka stupid fans) that he'll fight whoever. So what if Trout beats Canelo this month, then what? Is Miguel gonna fight Trout again, in a fight that he decisively lost the first time?

If you're at this point of your career where your name is big, you're a free agent, you can call the shots, and cherry pick for big money fights...you dont take stupid fights like a Trout fight. He had Golden Boy by the nuts with his free agency, and was in the position to tell them to "fuck off", had they made him a weak offer for a Canelo fight. NOW, GBP can give Cotto the whole, "you just lost your last two fights" nonsense.

Unfortunately, when it comes to this ginger kid, Golden Boy gets stupid and forgets the rules. Yes, Canelo is becoming a decent draw (or can be considered one in the eyes of the fans), but that doesn't mean that he deserves anywhere near the lion's share of a purse in a high profile fight, until he BEATS a fighter with a name and drawing power.

A Canelo fight is still hanging out there for Cotto, he just has to wait now, and hope that Canelo beats Trout.



Yes, I agree with all you stated but then again what would've happened to him had he faced Bundrage and lost?? He would've more than likely been written off and never would've gotten the Floyd or Trout fight. It will not be a big deal for Cotto to have a loss to Trout (especially if he beats Canelo) and especially not to Mayweather (since he's the best in the world), he should still be able to fight the likes of Bundrage (especially now with his loss) or he'd be smarter to go after Ishe and get that title which puts him right back into contention again and maybe even a rematch with Trout (should he lose to Alvarez).

Considering the amount of money Miguel made facing Floyd and then Trout then I'd say he didn't do a bad job of managing himself into those big money making bouts despite the fact that he lost to both of them.
The Original MrFactor
I have no problem witha guy with Cotto's resume retiring right now. Thats always gonna be up to him. He should ponder going back to 147 becasue I think he wins many of those fights against the top guys there. Marquez is there. Bradley is there. Lopez, Berto, Alexander, Brook and the Great Keith Thurman are there waiting for Miguel Cotto to step down to WW. At 54, his options are pretty much Ishe Smith and Alvarez. He's not gonna beat any of the top guys like Trout, Lara, Molina or anyone of that calibur.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 2 2013, 09:54 AM) *
He still has his health, he has his family, does Cotto have anything left to prove? I personally would rather he retires young and lives long. Maybe one more fight to cash out but that's it then. People would say he could be a fight for Lara/Vanes/Angulo/Rosado(maybe) But they should be fighting each other.


at this point...i think all the guys u named beat him. i'd like to see him pick a few big fights to go out on...but guys in his age bracket, size and skill level. if he can get a big win or two...maybe the mayweather rematch as a send off. he's paid his dues and deserves the right to pick and choose his opposition.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 2 2013, 11:18 PM) *
at this point...i think all the guys u named beat him. i'd like to see him pick a few big fights to go out on...but guys in his age bracket, size and skill level. if he can get a big win or two...maybe the mayweather rematch as a send off. he's paid his dues and deserves the right to pick and choose his opposition.


he needs to fight small Jr Middleweights cause that's what he is really. If weigh ins were on the same days fighters can't rehydrate as much and will in turn learn to fighting in there own goddamn weight class
checkleft
QUOTE (Franchize @ Apr 2 2013, 01:19 PM) *
I tried to tell everyone that the only person he impressed by fighting Trout was boxing purist and avid followers like us. Normally, you want to see guys take on tough, under the radar challenges like this but let's be frank. That was a bad business decision.

I Like that he fought trout but as you said the mainstream doesnt really know him. But he fought the best 154 pounder available when he could have fought a coddled baby whos made his living off of being light skinned and beating welterweights (yea red, I'm talking to you)

He also did us a favor, by losing to trout he basically forced Canelo to fight a worse stylistic match up in trout to actually see what this kid can do.

Cotto is a world class fighter competitor and he seems to be a very passionate good person. Boxing needs more cottos
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 2 2013, 05:18 PM) *
at this point...i think all the guys u named beat him. i'd like to see him pick a few big fights to go out on...but guys in his age bracket, size and skill level. if he can get a big win or two...maybe the mayweather rematch as a send off. he's paid his dues and deserves the right to pick and choose his opposition.


I disagree, Angulo can't beat him, Vanes has nothing for him, maybe Rosado could but I have my doubts about that

He could retire now, he's earned that right with his warrior like fighting mentality but I wouldn't mind seeing him fight 2 more times, maybe a tuneup fight then a big fight, and win or lose he retires afterwards
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 2 2013, 09:03 PM) *
I disagree, Angulo can't beat him, Vanes has nothing for him, maybe Rosado could but I have my doubts about that

He could retire now, he's earned that right with his warrior like fighting mentality but I wouldn't mind seeing him fight 2 more times, maybe a tuneup fight then a big fight, and win or lose he retires afterwards



Sheeeit that would be Margarito all over again, accept younger and Cotto is much older now.
Cshel86
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 2 2013, 02:45 PM) *
Yes, I agree with all you stated but then again what would've happened to him had he faced Bundrage and lost?? He would've more than likely been written off and never would've gotten the Floyd or Trout fight. It will not be a big deal for Cotto to have a loss to Trout (especially if he beats Canelo) and especially not to Mayweather (since he's the best in the world), he should still be able to fight the likes of Bundrage (especially now with his loss) or he'd be smarter to go after Ishe and get that title which puts him right back into contention again and maybe even a rematch with Trout (should he lose to Alvarez).

Considering the amount of money Miguel made facing Floyd and then Trout then I'd say he didn't do a bad job of managing himself into those big money making bouts despite the fact that he lost to both of them.

If he faced Bundrage and lost, then yes, he should've hung them up at that point. Now that you put it that way, losing to Trout wasn't such a bad thing, especially if Trout beats Canelo. LOL

There's absolutely nothing wrong with him losing to Floyd (as we all agreed on), but the thing is, that loss didn't take ANYTHING out of Miguel, which is why people didn't write him off after the loss. He actually looked better losing in that fight, than he did in the Trout fight.

With that in mind, Cotto should've just pumped his brakes and taken an easier fight. Seriously, most guys don't look good losing, and walk away with their health at the same time. Cotto didn't take a beating in the Floyd fight, but still looked good, not many fighters can attest to that.

How would you see a Cotto/Smith fight playing out?
mrchitown
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Apr 2 2013, 08:46 PM) *
Sheeeit that would be Margarito all over again, accept younger and Cotto is much older now.


LOL I doubt it due to the fact Angulo has looked like shit lately,I don't see what you guys see in Angulo's recent run of fights that gives him some kid of edge on Cotto. he aint the same fighter after the beat down Kirkland put on him. I hope they do fight because I'll put my money on Miguel and put my kids thru college lol. Angulo is nothing like Margarito but if they fight I'd be happy to paypal bet some of you believers lol
neophyte7
maybe the mayweather fight damaged him... He took a pounding in that bout no matter how people spin it and say he looked good. His faced looked like someone walked on it with baseball cleets
Franchize
I don't think Cotto is done at all. I just think, like Manny Pacquiao, he'd better not fight a pure boxer ever again in his career lol Stick to the brawlers and the punching bags. Cotto is a smarter fighter than Manny, but I don't see Cotto beating anyone @ 154 that has actual boxing skill. Him and Manny need to fight those guys whose claim to fame are their punching power. Guys that are there to be hit.

That being said, there's no shame in losing to Trout and Mayweather. Those are two talented Boxers!
Cshel86
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 3 2013, 08:08 AM) *
maybe the mayweather fight damaged him... He took a pounding in that bout no matter how people spin it and say he looked good. His faced looked like someone walked on it with baseball cleets

His face looked like that after the Margarito rematch, and Margarito didn't hit him as much as Floyd did. Cotto's face has evolved over the years, at one point, he used to cut and bleed easily, now he just bruises nowadays.

QUOTE (Franchize @ Apr 3 2013, 11:25 AM) *
I don't think Cotto is done at all. I just think, like Manny Pacquiao, he'd better not fight a pure boxer ever again in his career lol

Couldn't have said it better myself. LOL
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 2 2013, 08:03 PM) *
I disagree, Angulo can't beat him, Vanes has nothing for him, maybe Rosado could but I have my doubts about that

He could retire now, he's earned that right with his warrior like fighting mentality but I wouldn't mind seeing him fight 2 more times, maybe a tuneup fight then a big fight, and win or lose he retires afterwards


i think he learned some of the things necessary to beat guys like angulo after fighting margarito twice...but that may be a toss up fight.

vanes is a pretty sharp/fast guy and has a size advantage on cotto. another toss up.

rosado definitely beats cotto at this point in his career. rosado is bigger than trout, almost as slick and punches harder.

i agree on the last part
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 2 2013, 11:45 PM) *
LOL I doubt it due to the fact Angulo has looked like shit lately,I don't see what you guys see in Angulo's recent run of fights that gives him some kid of edge on Cotto. he aint the same fighter after the beat down Kirkland put on him. I hope they do fight because I'll put my money on Miguel and put my kids thru college lol. Angulo is nothing like Margarito but if they fight I'd be happy to paypal bet some of you believers lol


angulo has looked like shit
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 2 2013, 09:05 PM) *
If he faced Bundrage and lost, then yes, he should've hung them up at that point. Now that you put it that way, losing to Trout wasn't such a bad thing, especially if Trout beats Canelo. LOL

There's absolutely nothing wrong with him losing to Floyd (as we all agreed on), but the thing is, that loss didn't take ANYTHING out of Miguel, which is why people didn't write him off after the loss. He actually looked better losing in that fight, than he did in the Trout fight.

With that in mind, Cotto should've just pumped his brakes and taken an easier fight. Seriously, most guys don't look good losing, and walk away with their health at the same time. Cotto didn't take a beating in the Floyd fight, but still looked good, not many fighters can attest to that.

How would you see a Cotto/Smith fight playing out?



Honestly, I've never been impressed by Ishe and at this stage IMHO I believe that Cotto is too much for him. IS vs MC then you may as well spell KO because I believe Miguel beats him down and stops him in 9 rounds.

Yes, Miguel looked good but he took a lot of punishment vs Floyd and regardless of what people believe that fight took a lot away from Cotto mentally because he was at his highest after seemingly proving after he beat Margo that Antonio had loaded gloves and that he no longer had any reason not to believe in himself after that beating he took and now vengefully stopping Margo in the rematch.

MC went into the fight with Floyd believing he was reborn and could beat anyone at that point, had he gotten a rematch with Pac at the appropriate weight instead of facing Floyd at that time I'd vow to say that version of him would've beaten MP.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 3 2013, 02:31 PM) *
i think he learned some of the things necessary to beat guys like angulo after fighting margarito twice...but that may be a toss up fight.

vanes is a pretty sharp/fast guy and has a size advantage on cotto. another toss up.

rosado definitely beats cotto at this point in his career. rosado is bigger than trout, almost as slick and punches harder.

i agree on the last part


I'm just not that impressed by Vanes, he's decent but he just doesn't give me the vibe that he can pull it out in a big fight. I love Rosado and it is a toss up fight. I like Cotto's experience and Rosado's determination. One of them will win out

Angulo has room for improvement, I think he'll get better working with Virgil
daprofessor
smith is very beatable guy for cotto...but smith has already said he's going to fight carlos molina. he won't beat molina. i can see molina beating cotto at this point too.
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