QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 09:48 PM)
I'm sorry but I've never been one to make excuses. Now if you want to ask me about making an observation then you can rephrase that. I'm not apart of RJJ's team so IDK why I would make an excuse for a man I've never met, I made an observation and a very sound one
I look at it like this, RJJ went up in weight, I forget what he weighed when he fought Ruiz for the HW title, but when he moved back down to LHW, it's a reasonable assessment to make that he lost something. I agree that he was never tested at that time at 175 but when you go up in weight and come down, it can have negative effects on your body. He lost some muscle that effected him
Talk to a trainer and they'll tell you that doing something like that can be a bad idea. I'll give you one more example of that, Chris Byrd. Remember when he had that fight on FNF's and he moved down to 175? He's a perfect example of what dropping down like that can do to your body. You can call it an excuse but I call it common sense, not everyone has it. If you move up and down in weight it has an effect on you one way or the other. He's not the first to do it but I wouldn't dare just lump every fighter to ever do it on 1 category, that's foolish. The rest is history with Tarver too, who put on all that weight for that Rocky movie and he hasn't been able to lose it, look what happened to him in his first fight back at 175, Hopkins soundly defeated him and he has looked sluggish ever since...History has shown the adverse effects that can take place in fluctuating weight in Boxing
Ok, let's go backwards from your post to address all the issues: First, Tarver was always walking around as a HW and that is no secret---he usually weighed 218 before training to get down to 175 as stated by his Trainer so when people use that Rocky movie weight gain theory then it's all BS to me. As far as Chris Byrd getting smashed; people tend to forget that he (much like RJJ) never really got tapped up all that much so that we can see how he reacts from adversity and furthermore losing muscle in your body has little to do with one's chin (if that was the case then having a body like Arnold's should guarantee one a great beard).
Now I would agree with you if RJJ or Byrd had taken fierce bodyshots and was stopped because of them but to hit one in the chin and then claim that losing muscle (there are none that can help your face resist punches, trust me on that) was the reason for it then I soundly disagree for my reasons posted.
As far as when I stated "we" make excuses; it wasn't aimed specifically at you though I did use your message to reply to it in but I'm just sick of hearing people use that reasoning. RJJ wasn't KO'd from a bodyshot, and Tarver wasn't even stopped at all and all we have to do is look at some of the fighters from the past to see how many of them went up and then back down to understand that it had no negative effects on them like we claim it did to RJJ and others but yet they still prevailed.
Come on, regardless of what any Trainer would say; there's no amount of gaining weight or losing it that can help solidify one's ability to absorb hard, flush shots straight to the domepiece.....to the body-Yes but not to the beard.