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Franchize
Not sure if there's a thread for this already but I thought it would be cool to see you guys' responses. This one is simple. Rank your top 5 weakest chins in boxing. Here's mine:

Roy Jones Jr- I mean c'mon....ANYBODY has a shot against him, despite him being one of the most talented boxers ever, simply because when he gets hit he does the stanky leg almost immediately.
Amir Khan- I think this kid is extremely talented. Unfortunately, Roach didn't develop enough SKILL to refine that talent and years of pulling straight back when he's done punching has caught up to him. If you fart loud enough, you'll KO him.
Chad Dawson- His entire career is full of fights in which he dominates but has that one round in which he looks like Bambi on ice.
Yuri Gamboa- You'd think someone who regularly gets dropped by the finest, most ripe cherry picked opponents would utilize an ounce of defense.
James Kirkland- I put him here because I'm not sure if Jermain Taylor even fights anymore. "Twinkle toes...you're breaking my heart." For a guy who likes to mix it up, he's often caught dancing like George Jefferson when he gets hit.
checkleft
Roy had a really good chin for a very long time. It wasnt until he came back down in weight that it started to go

I would have to put berto in here, marquez has a weak chin but he just never stays down, dulorme has no chin, juanma has no chin either.
mgrover
After what happened to Salido maybe?
checkleft
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 11 2013, 03:16 PM) *
After what happened to Salido maybe?

You mean about juanmas chin? He had been dropped plenty of times before those fights.
mitukczuk
Roy Jones? maybe after he went down from heavyweight....I don't care if John Ruiz was a KO artist or not, if heavyweight hits you, you feel it...and Roy got caught in that fight and nothing happened...

But nowadays? I agree with him having a weak chin. But c'mon...hes like what....60 ?
Franchize
I said Roy Jones because he's still fighting. It's not an indictment on his career. It's about what he is now. As of right now, he has ZERO chin. I seriously think if I caught him with a shot, he'd go down. I NEVER fought professionally in my life and would never claim to.
checkleft
QUOTE (Franchize @ Apr 11 2013, 04:45 PM) *
I said Roy Jones because he's still fighting. It's not an indictment on his career. It's about what he is now. As of right now, he has ZERO chin. I seriously think if I caught him with a shot, he'd go down. I NEVER fought professionally in my life and would never claim to.

You are 100% correct then. He has no business being in a ring right now
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 11 2013, 02:32 PM) *
You mean about juanmas chin? He had been dropped plenty of times before those fights.



Well Salido put a whuppin on that boy twice and that has to have taken something out of him but IMO Amir Khan has a weak beard!!
mrchitown
Khan owns this thread

I would mention RJJ but I think his move to HW and then back down ruined him and he's never been able to recover. i often wonder how those Tarver fights would've played out if he hadn't of moved up in weight

Gamboa's chin is suspect and so is Juanma Lopez's....I guess that's what makes a fight between the 2 of them still intriguing.

Berto's chin is suspect to me
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 02:29 PM) *
Khan owns this thread

I would mention RJJ but I think his move to HW and then back down ruined him and he's never been able to recover. i often wonder how those Tarver fights would've played out if he hadn't of moved up in weight

Gamboa's chin is suspect and so is Juanma Lopez's....I guess that's what makes a fight between the 2 of them still intriguing.

Berto's chin is suspect to me

+1

Victor Ortiz (weak chin and mentality)
Khan
Berto
Tarver!
mgrover
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Apr 12 2013, 12:09 AM) *
+1

Victor Ortiz (weak chin and mentality)
Khan
Berto
Tarver!


Audley Harrison. Or do heavyweights get a pass?
Dolimite
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 11 2013, 04:49 PM) *
Audley Harrison. Or do heavyweights get a pass?

Haven't watched heavyweights in awhile but are we talking about all heavyweights from the past.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Apr 11 2013, 06:09 PM) *
+1

Victor Ortiz (weak chin and mentality)
Khan
Berto
Tarver!


How the hell did I forget Ortiz?? I'm also going to throw Jermain Taylor in there, after Pavlik put him down he was never the same
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 06:29 PM) *
Khan owns this thread

laugh.gif

Too funny!

I don't have a top 5 at the moment, but I'm damn near accustomed to seeing Juanma look like he just came from a $2 Tuesday special at the bar, after he gets touched on the chin. Dude get his clock cleaned a bit too often nowadays.
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 05:07 PM) *
How the hell did I forget Ortiz?? I'm also going to throw Jermain Taylor in there, after Pavlik put him down he was never the same

Give me my money! Ortiz is made of glass. The kind that already comes cracked!
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 05:29 PM) *
Khan owns this thread

I would mention RJJ but I think his move to HW and then back down ruined him and he's never been able to recover. i often wonder how those Tarver fights would've played out if he hadn't of moved up in weight

Gamboa's chin is suspect and so is Juanma Lopez's....I guess that's what makes a fight between the 2 of them still intriguing.

Berto's chin is suspect to me



Why do we make this as an excuse for RJJ? It isn't like he's the first to move to a higher weight class and then back down again, I don't believe he lost anything that he never really had in terms of punch resistance. People forget that we never really got to see RJJ's beard get tested anyway at the lower weights because he has such quick reflexes and never really got laid out and had to come back from it so how is it that one can say that going up to HW and then back down ruined his chin??

I won't make that simple excuse for RJJ, I just say we finally got to see what happens to him when he got his beard truly tapped and now we know the rest of the story.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 11 2013, 08:07 PM) *
laugh.gif

Too funny!

I don't have a top 5 at the moment, but I'm damn near accustomed to seeing Juanma look like he just came from a $2 Tuesday special at the bar, after he gets touched on the chin. Dude get his clock cleaned a bit too often nowadays.


I agree, I definitely see him stumbling out of quite a few bars in the future if he isn't matched up properly
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Apr 11 2013, 08:11 PM) *
Give me my money! Ortiz is made of glass. The kind that already comes cracked!


You aint lying, I won't lie, I'm an Ortiz fan and it goes way beyond the Mayweather fight, he's fought here in Chicago on the undercard of Malinaggi-Diaz 2 and seeing him fight live, he really impressed me. This was his first fight since the Maidana fight I believe and I was rooting for him to get back on track

Remember he took a lot of shit from us fans about what he said in his in ring post-fight interview. He has so much talent and ability and he works hard, I really believe that but he just can't seem to weather rough moments in fights. I'm of the belief that he could've got up in the 4th round of his Mayweahter fight, he checked out mentally to me
mrchitown
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 11 2013, 09:09 PM) *
Why do we make this as an excuse for RJJ? It isn't like he's the first to move to a higher weight class and then back down again, I don't believe he lost anything that he never really had in terms of punch resistance. People forget that we never really got to see RJJ's beard get tested anyway at the lower weights because he has such quick reflexes and never really got laid out and had to come back from it so how is it that one can say that going up to HW and then back down ruined his chin??

I won't make that simple excuse for RJJ, I just say we finally got to see what happens to him when he got his beard truly tapped and now we know the rest of the story.


I'm sorry but I've never been one to make excuses. Now if you want to ask me about making an observation then you can rephrase that. I'm not apart of RJJ's team so IDK why I would make an excuse for a man I've never met, I made an observation and a very sound one

I look at it like this, RJJ went up in weight, I forget what he weighed when he fought Ruiz for the HW title, but when he moved back down to LHW, it's a reasonable assessment to make that he lost something. I agree that he was never tested at that time at 175 but when you go up in weight and come down, it can have negative effects on your body. He lost some muscle that effected him

Talk to a trainer and they'll tell you that doing something like that can be a bad idea. I'll give you one more example of that, Chris Byrd. Remember when he had that fight on FNF's and he moved down to 175? He's a perfect example of what dropping down like that can do to your body. You can call it an excuse but I call it common sense, not everyone has it. If you move up and down in weight it has an effect on you one way or the other. He's not the first to do it but I wouldn't dare just lump every fighter to ever do it on 1 category, that's foolish. The rest is history with Tarver too, who put on all that weight for that Rocky movie and he hasn't been able to lose it, look what happened to him in his first fight back at 175, Hopkins soundly defeated him and he has looked sluggish ever since...History has shown the adverse effects that can take place in fluctuating weight in Boxing
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 09:48 PM) *
I'm sorry but I've never been one to make excuses. Now if you want to ask me about making an observation then you can rephrase that. I'm not apart of RJJ's team so IDK why I would make an excuse for a man I've never met, I made an observation and a very sound one

I look at it like this, RJJ went up in weight, I forget what he weighed when he fought Ruiz for the HW title, but when he moved back down to LHW, it's a reasonable assessment to make that he lost something. I agree that he was never tested at that time at 175 but when you go up in weight and come down, it can have negative effects on your body. He lost some muscle that effected him

Talk to a trainer and they'll tell you that doing something like that can be a bad idea. I'll give you one more example of that, Chris Byrd. Remember when he had that fight on FNF's and he moved down to 175? He's a perfect example of what dropping down like that can do to your body. You can call it an excuse but I call it common sense, not everyone has it. If you move up and down in weight it has an effect on you one way or the other. He's not the first to do it but I wouldn't dare just lump every fighter to ever do it on 1 category, that's foolish. The rest is history with Tarver too, who put on all that weight for that Rocky movie and he hasn't been able to lose it, look what happened to him in his first fight back at 175, Hopkins soundly defeated him and he has looked sluggish ever since...History has shown the adverse effects that can take place in fluctuating weight in Boxing



Ok, let's go backwards from your post to address all the issues: First, Tarver was always walking around as a HW and that is no secret---he usually weighed 218 before training to get down to 175 as stated by his Trainer so when people use that Rocky movie weight gain theory then it's all BS to me. As far as Chris Byrd getting smashed; people tend to forget that he (much like RJJ) never really got tapped up all that much so that we can see how he reacts from adversity and furthermore losing muscle in your body has little to do with one's chin (if that was the case then having a body like Arnold's should guarantee one a great beard).

Now I would agree with you if RJJ or Byrd had taken fierce bodyshots and was stopped because of them but to hit one in the chin and then claim that losing muscle (there are none that can help your face resist punches, trust me on that) was the reason for it then I soundly disagree for my reasons posted.

As far as when I stated "we" make excuses; it wasn't aimed specifically at you though I did use your message to reply to it in but I'm just sick of hearing people use that reasoning. RJJ wasn't KO'd from a bodyshot, and Tarver wasn't even stopped at all and all we have to do is look at some of the fighters from the past to see how many of them went up and then back down to understand that it had no negative effects on them like we claim it did to RJJ and others but yet they still prevailed.

Come on, regardless of what any Trainer would say; there's no amount of gaining weight or losing it that can help solidify one's ability to absorb hard, flush shots straight to the domepiece.....to the body-Yes but not to the beard.
checkleft
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 11 2013, 10:09 PM) *
Why do we make this as an excuse for RJJ? It isn't like he's the first to move to a higher weight class and then back down again, I don't believe he lost anything that he never really had in terms of punch resistance. People forget that we never really got to see RJJ's beard get tested anyway at the lower weights because he has such quick reflexes and never really got laid out and had to come back from it so how is it that one can say that going up to HW and then back down ruined his chin??

I won't make that simple excuse for RJJ, I just say we finally got to see what happens to him when he got his beard truly tapped and now we know the rest of the story.

Roy had been hit plenty of times before that and I had never seen him go down. Comes down from heavyweight very quickly and all the sudden he's getting put to sleep all the time? I dont like math but this is as simple as 1 + 1 = 2

When he trained for the ruiz fight he was forced to keep fat on and build muscle on top of it to bulk, so you can't train as hard if you want to gain weight. And when you put on that kind of muscle and body fat your body adjusts, so once he tried to come back down in weight he was forced to lose muscle (shoulder muscles, neck muscles all affect your chin not to mention muscle loss can result in slower reflexes) undoubtedly. Your body can't fluctuate in weight that much without said person feeling some effects.
mgrover
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 12 2013, 01:07 PM) *
Ok, let's go backwards from your post to address all the issues: First, Tarver was always walking around as a HW and that is no secret---he usually weighed 218 before training to get down to 175 as stated by his Trainer so when people use that Rocky movie weight gain theory then it's all BS to me. As far as Chris Byrd getting smashed; people tend to forget that he (much like RJJ) never really got tapped up all that much so that we can see how he reacts from adversity and furthermore losing muscle in your body has little to do with one's chin (if that was the case then having a body like Arnold's should guarantee one a great beard).

Now I would agree with you if RJJ or Byrd had taken fierce bodyshots and was stopped because of them but to hit one in the chin and then claim that losing muscle (there are none that can help your face resist punches, trust me on that) was the reason for it then I soundly disagree for my reasons posted.

As far as when I stated "we" make excuses; it wasn't aimed specifically at you though I did use your message to reply to it in but I'm just sick of hearing people use that reasoning. RJJ wasn't KO'd from a bodyshot, and Tarver wasn't even stopped at all and all we have to do is look at some of the fighters from the past to see how many of them went up and then back down to understand that it had no negative effects on them like we claim it did to RJJ and others but yet they still prevailed.

Come on, regardless of what any Trainer would say; there's no amount of gaining weight or losing it that can help solidify one's ability to absorb hard, flush shots straight to the domepiece.....to the body-Yes but not to the beard.


It's not the body he has, it's the fact he's dropped so much weight quickly at an older age.
Franchize
Surprised nobody mentioned Chris Nipple *cough* I mean Arreola
aTYpicalTYrant
Amir Kahn aka Glass Joe has to win this one by decision.....
neophyte7
Tarver has a solid beard.. he has never been KOd and to my knowledge has only been dropped once by Hopkins.. Tarver is hated big time on this site yet there is absolutely nothing in his career that suggests he should be in this thread
mgrover
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 12 2013, 07:58 PM) *
Tarver has a solid beard.. he has never been KOd and to my knowledge has only been dropped once by Hopkins.. Tarver is hated big time on this site yet there is absolutely nothing in his career that suggests he should be in this thread


I used to be all for Tarver, but since the PED thing I wonder.
Cshel86
I was always under the impression that losing all of that weight so quickly, does something to the fluid in your brain and affects your ability to take a punch. Maybe I'm off a bit. I see Julio shed a lot of weight in a short amount of time, but he isn't fighting guys like Tarver, who did shed HW lbs to get to LHW, so who knows?
mrchitown
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 12 2013, 07:07 AM) *
Ok, let's go backwards from your post to address all the issues: First, Tarver was always walking around as a HW and that is no secret---he usually weighed 218 before training to get down to 175 as stated by his Trainer so when people use that Rocky movie weight gain theory then it's all BS to me. As far as Chris Byrd getting smashed; people tend to forget that he (much like RJJ) never really got tapped up all that much so that we can see how he reacts from adversity and furthermore losing muscle in your body has little to do with one's chin (if that was the case then having a body like Arnold's should guarantee one a great beard).

Now I would agree with you if RJJ or Byrd had taken fierce bodyshots and was stopped because of them but to hit one in the chin and then claim that losing muscle (there are none that can help your face resist punches, trust me on that) was the reason for it then I soundly disagree for my reasons posted.

As far as when I stated "we" make excuses; it wasn't aimed specifically at you though I did use your message to reply to it in but I'm just sick of hearing people use that reasoning. RJJ wasn't KO'd from a bodyshot, and Tarver wasn't even stopped at all and all we have to do is look at some of the fighters from the past to see how many of them went up and then back down to understand that it had no negative effects on them like we claim it did to RJJ and others but yet they still prevailed.

Come on, regardless of what any Trainer would say; there's no amount of gaining weight or losing it that can help solidify one's ability to absorb hard, flush shots straight to the domepiece.....to the body-Yes but not to the beard.


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. I've seen countless examples of it and just writing it off because they didn't get body shots is not accurate IMO. Chad Dawson dropped how many pounds to fight Ward. He got Ko'd by a body shot? I think not. The writing is on the wall. Your body has to adjust to those types of things and when it's not given proper time to do so the effects can be catastrophic.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 12 2013, 06:13 PM) *
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. I've seen countless examples of it and just writing it off because they didn't get body shots is not accurate IMO. Chad Dawson dropped how many pounds to fight Ward. He got Ko'd by a body shot? I think not. The writing is on the wall. Your body has to adjust to those types of things and when it's not given proper time to do so the effects can be catastrophic.



That's cool and we will! What other examples have you seen where a fighter is weakened due to this situation? Chad got done in by the amount of shots he took, not by one specific shot like Jones did and IMHO there is no comparison to be made here and that is a bad example you used.

checkleft
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 18 2013, 09:21 AM) *
That's cool and we will! What other examples have you seen where a fighter is weakened due to this situation? Chad got done in by the amount of shots he took, not by one specific shot like Jones did and IMHO there is no comparison to be made here and that is a bad example you used.

Well in camp supposedly all chad was doing was complaining about weight and how he didn't have the energy to do anything and they confirmed he got knocked out hard with one shot by his sparring partner two or three weeks before the ward fight.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 18 2013, 10:41 AM) *
Well in camp supposedly all chad was doing was complaining about weight and how he didn't have the energy to do anything and they confirmed he got knocked out hard with one shot by his sparring partner two or three weeks before the ward fight.



Was that reported or supposed KO to the jaw or to the body?? Pac got KO'd with a bodyshot and didn't get up.
checkleft
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 18 2013, 02:14 PM) *
Was that reported or supposed KO to the jaw or to the body?? Pac got KO'd with a bodyshot and didn't get up.

Jaw. Edison Miranda did it
mrchitown
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 18 2013, 08:21 AM) *
That's cool and we will! What other examples have you seen where a fighter is weakened due to this situation? Chad got done in by the amount of shots he took, not by one specific shot like Jones did and IMHO there is no comparison to be made here and that is a bad example you used.


Why does it have to be one shot? We've seen it with RJJ, we've seen Tarver go up in weight to be hollywood and though he didn't get KO'd, he wasn't the same after that. Chris Byrd is a perfect example of this

And I me or Professor was the one to put it out there that Edison Miranda dropped him with ONE shot in sparring. It may be a bad example to you but it fits to me

If you think that your body can just handle a drastic amount of weight loss/gain and you can take solid flush shots like that then your crazy. It does something to you, I've provided evidence that you refute but you aint provided me shit in response to refute. Name me a fighter who did this drastically and didn't get rocked?? Hell even Guerrero's 2 fights at welter he was buzzed a few times in each fight

I'm going to ask a pro fighter and just shut this debate down lol
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 18 2013, 02:27 PM) *
Why does it have to be one shot? We've seen it with RJJ, we've seen Tarver go up in weight to be hollywood and though he didn't get KO'd, he wasn't the same after that. Chris Byrd is a perfect example of this

[b]Because you were referring to Jones in how he lost after getting blazed by Tarver, isn't that who we're talking about?
Again, I already disproved your Chris Byrd and Antonio Tarver theories earlier, neither was stopped by one punch like Roy was, there is no comparison to make here.[/b]

And I me or Professor was the one to put it out there that Edison Miranda dropped him with ONE shot in sparring. It may be a bad example to you but it fits to me

If you are putting it that way then you are saying that in essence that EM wouldn't have had the power to drop him at 175, I do not subscribe to that theory, sorry but I was able to drop dudes who weighed 200 when I was only 158 so losing weight doesn't mean much in this context.

If you think that your body can just handle a drastic amount of weight loss/gain and you can take solid flush shots like that then your crazy. It does something to you, I've provided evidence that you refute but you aint provided me shit in response to refute. Name me a fighter who did this drastically and didn't get rocked?? Hell even Guerrero's 2 fights at welter he was buzzed a few times in each fight.

Again, we were discussing what this supposedly did to Roy Jones because that's who everyone was using as the example, bringing in all these other subjects about long matches and whatnot has nothing to do with the one shot theory when you are using Roy as the prototype.

I'm going to ask a pro fighter and just shut this debate down lol


I welcome you to do so, I'd love for someone to be able to scientifically prove this though but I just can't see the logic in the one punch that crowned Roy in comparison to what happened to Dawson over the length of that fight and calling it the same. Any fighter at 175 that took that shot that Tarver nailed Roy with would've went to sleep regardless of whether or not they lost weight or not.

My answers are in bold!!
flazi
when you drop a lot of weight remember you are dropping water also, water that resides in the brain and cns. it recuperates a lot slower than muscle water so i think that is what causes the weakness of the chin per se. not so much the chin but the brain when it becomes rattled, the loss of water will make you weaker.
mrchitown
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 18 2013, 05:21 PM) *
I welcome you to do so, I'd love for someone to be able to scientifically prove this though but I just can't see the logic in the one punch that crowned Roy in comparison to what happened to Dawson over the length of that fight and calling it the same. Any fighter at 175 that took that shot that Tarver nailed Roy with would've went to sleep regardless of whether or not they lost weight or not.

My answers are in bold!!


Thank you for pointing out bold answers like your a road scholar and I'm illiterate. But back to the lecture, you have disproved NOTHING that I SAID. Not ONE. Because you was able to drop someone 200lbs don't mean shit to me, after all it wasn't me and you aint no pro fighter

The only thing you have proven to me is that YOU PERSONALLY don't subscribe to the so called theory. True RJJ was the subject but obviously I was mentioning a broader spectrum of fighters who have been cracked and looked bad after a massive weight loss. Maybe I should've put that in bold and made it more clearer for you

I have a cordial friendship with Nate Campbell since he fought my cousin who was a PRO fighter and I've reached out to both for their opinions. You will be the first to know when they get back to me....in essence you have not shown one 100% positive fact that this isn't a determining factor in a fighters performance. I guess I shouldn't bring up Tim Bradley's performance because he didn't get dropped by 1 shot and you dropped a 200lber, I'll exclude the fact that he ballooned up in weight and when he came back down he was getting tagged and out of it half the fight

My answers are not in bold BTW
BrutUalBK
QUOTE
guys like Tarver, who did shed HW lbs to get to LHW, so who knows?


I already addressed Tarver's so called shedding of HW lbs; McGirt admitted that Antonio walked around between 215-218 prior to get to 175 since he's been training him so it wasn't anything new which is why he (Tarver) did not make any excuses when BHop handled him like a baby.

I'm not saying losing weight doesn't weaken you but it has nothing to do with the chin and taking one shot like Jones did, if you are continually popped to the dome or the body for the entire bout and then get stopped like Chad did then that is different.
daprofessor
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 12 2013, 02:58 PM) *
Tarver has a solid beard.. he has never been KOd and to my knowledge has only been dropped once by Hopkins.. Tarver is hated big time on this site yet there is absolutely nothing in his career that suggests he should be in this thread


word. he fought with a broken jaw against eric harding!!! he has no business being mentioned. unless of course someone is still butt hurt over him ktfo'ing rjj. laugh.gif "got any excuses tonite roy?"
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 12 2013, 06:53 PM) *
I was always under the impression that losing all of that weight so quickly, does something to the fluid in your brain and affects your ability to take a punch. Maybe I'm off a bit. I see Julio shed a lot of weight in a short amount of time, but he isn't fighting guys like Tarver, who did shed HW lbs to get to LHW, so who knows?



he fought tarver 8 months after he fought ruiz. it could have been used as an excuse in the first fight. then the tarver rematch didn't happen 6 months after that! that's a whole 14 months from the time he fought john ruiz. that excuse is not acceptable. smh.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 19 2013, 01:28 AM) *
he fought tarver 8 months after he fought ruiz. it could have been used as an excuse in the first fight. then the tarver rematch didn't happen 6 months after that! that's a whole 14 months from the time he fought john ruiz. that excuse is not acceptable. smh.


I wonder what weight he walked around at though, supposedly they were waiting on a Tyson fight? So he didn't drop the weight.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 18 2013, 08:31 PM) *
I wonder what weight he walked around at though, supposedly they were waiting on a Tyson fight? So he didn't drop the weight.


i remember holyfield being mentioned...but i thought that was before he signed to fight ruiz. don't remember tyson being mentioned.
mrchitown
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 18 2013, 06:49 PM) *
I already addressed Tarver's so called shedding of HW lbs; McGirt admitted that Antonio walked around between 215-218 prior to get to 175 since he's been training him so it wasn't anything new which is why he (Tarver) did not make any excuses when BHop handled him like a baby.

I'm not saying losing weight doesn't weaken you but it has nothing to do with the chin and taking one shot like Jones did, if you are continually popped to the dome or the body for the entire bout and then get stopped like Chad did then that is different.


I think we're in the same ball park but on different sides of the field. I can respect that because I see what your saying and I think you understand what I'm saying as well
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 18 2013, 07:24 PM) *
word. he fought with a broken jaw against eric harding!!! he has no business being mentioned. unless of course someone is still butt hurt over him ktfo'ing rjj. laugh.gif "got any excuses tonite roy?"


And your old ass has no business jumpin in me and BK's debate. Step back old man laugh.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 18 2013, 08:48 PM) *
And your old ass has no business jumpin in me and BK's debate. Step back old man laugh.gif


laugh.gif
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 18 2013, 08:15 PM) *
laugh.gif


I don't care what anyone says, that was one of the greatest moments in sports history. Not only did Tarver produce one of the most memorable quotes but he savagely Ko'd one of the greatest fighters of all time. I was in shock when Roy was counted out. I remember that fight like it was yesterday....I remember looking at Roy and thinking he was getting up, maybe that was just because I wanted to see more of a fight but when it ended I couldn't even talk
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 18 2013, 09:29 PM) *
I don't care what anyone says, that was one of the greatest moments in sports history. Not only did Tarver produce one of the most memorable quotes but he savagely Ko'd one of the greatest fighters of all time. I was in shock when Roy was counted out. I remember that fight like it was yesterday....I remember looking at Roy and thinking he was getting up, maybe that was just because I wanted to see more of a fight but when it ended I couldn't even talk


i picked tarver to win the rematch...but i had no idea he'd win it the way he did. "got any excuses tonite roy?" is by far the most classic quote in all of boxing imo.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 18 2013, 08:57 PM) *
i picked tarver to win the rematch...but i had no idea he'd win it the way he did. "got any excuses tonite roy?" is by far the most classic quote in all of boxing imo.


I thought Roy was going to look better in the rematch and he was doing well in the first round but the punch that Tarver threw that ended it was a nice shot, and he didn't even see it, he just threw it lol. Yeah, it's pretty hard to top that line. Tyson got some quotables though lol
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 18 2013, 07:48 PM) *
And your old ass has no business jumpin in me and BK's debate. Step back old man laugh.gif



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mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 19 2013, 01:42 AM) *
i remember holyfield being mentioned...but i thought that was before he signed to fight ruiz. don't remember tyson being mentioned.


I can't find the interview itself but I remember it from this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...yMAvwjkE#t=506s
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 19 2013, 04:07 PM) *
I can't find the interview itself but I remember it from this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...yMAvwjkE#t=506s


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