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daprofessor
floyd mayweather
andre ward
juan manuel marquez
nonito donaire
guillermo rigondeaux
austin trout
adrien broner
devon alexander
tim bradley
gary russell jr
bnoles4life
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 15 2013, 08:26 PM) *
floyd mayweather
andre ward
juan manuel marquez
nonito donaire
guillermo rigondeaux
austin trout
adrien broner
devon alexander
tim bradley
gary russell jr


The most interesting guys on that list are Trout, Rigo and GRJ (big emphasis on GRJ).
daprofessor
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Apr 15 2013, 09:12 PM) *
The most interesting guys on that list are Trout, Rigo and GRJ (big emphasis on GRJ).



interesting?
dre98
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 15 2013, 08:26 PM) *
floyd mayweather
andre ward
juan manuel marquez
nonito donaire
guillermo rigondeaux
austin trout
adrien broner
devon alexander
tim bradley
gary russell jr



Pure skills of course mayweather would be the person you would compare everyone too.

Best skills in this order would be mayweather, Rigondeaux, broner, marquez, Ward, Bradley, Trout, Russell, donaire, alexander
dre98
QUOTE (dre98 @ Apr 15 2013, 09:23 PM) *
Pure skills of course mayweather would be the person you would compare everyone too.

Top guys on this list would be mayweather, Rigondeaux, broner, marquez, Ward, Bradley, Trout, Russell, donaire, alexander

daprofessor
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 15 2013, 08:26 PM) *
floyd mayweather
andre ward
juan manuel marquez
nonito donaire
guillermo rigondeaux
austin trout
adrien broner
devon alexander
tim bradley
gary russell jr


my list

1. floyd
2. ward
3. rigondeaux
4. marquez
5. trout
6. broner
7. bradley
8. russell
9. donaire
10. alexander
dre98
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 15 2013, 09:40 PM) *
my list

1. floyd
2. ward
3. rigondeaux
4. marquez
5. trout
6. broner
7. bradley
8. russell
9. donaire
10. alexander



What separates trout broner and bradley for you
daprofessor
QUOTE (dre98 @ Apr 15 2013, 09:45 PM) *
What separates trout broner and bradley for you


trout has shown more depth than both bradley and broner.

broner is more skillful on defense...but his offense isn't as diverse as trouts.

bradley is the least skilled on defense between these three.


dre98
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 15 2013, 10:00 PM) *
trout has shown more depth than both bradley and broner.

broner is more skillful on defense...but his offense isn't as diverse as trouts.

bradley is the least skilled on defense between these three.



I respect it. Broner didnt really show too much when he fought ponce deleon. Trout looked very well against Cotto. Your biggest fights you have to show your best. I think Rigo has the best skills next mayweather. i like Ward but looked a little sloppy against dawson, but that was the best i seen him fight.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 15 2013, 07:26 PM) *
1. floyd mayweather
2. andre ward
4. juan manuel marquez
8. nonito donaire
3. guillermo rigondeaux
5. austin trout
7. adrien broner
9. devon alexander
6. tim bradley
10. gary russell jr


1. FMJr
2. BHop
3. AW (A-Dub)
4. RIGO
5. JMM
6. AT
7. TB
8. AB
9. ND
10 DA
11. GRJr

Wow, I was working so hard on the list that I didn't even realize BHop wasn't there.
Aware
1. a)floyd mayweather b)Rigondeaux
2. andre ward
3. adrien broner
4. juan manuel marquez
5. nonito donaire
6. austin trout
7. tim bradley
8. devon alexander
9. gary russell jr (needs to fight better comp to prove his skill)


What about Terrence Crawford? He has some serious skill. Also bhop obviously.
dre98
QUOTE (Aware @ Apr 16 2013, 12:56 AM) *
1. a)floyd mayweather b)Rigondeaux
2. andre ward
3. adrien broner
4. juan manuel marquez
5. nonito donaire
6. austin trout
7. devon alexander
8. tim bradley
9. gary russell jr (needs to fight better comp to prove his skill)


What about Terrence Crawford? He has some serious skill. Also bhop obviously.



Mayweather and Rigondeaux arent on the same level. The difference between the two is offensive firepower. During the Donaire fight Rig could of went in for the kill. He should of start hitting him with more left leads. He waited to late to try step his foot on the gas. He definitely does remind of may though.
Aware
QUOTE (dre98 @ Apr 16 2013, 12:07 AM) *
Mayweather and Rigondeaux arent on the same level. The difference between the two is offensive firepower. During the Donaire fight Rig could of went in for the kill. He should of start hitting him with more left leads. He waited to late to try step his foot on the gas. He definitely does remind of may though.



First of all Donaire was at least two weight classes above Rigondeaux. Did you see how much bigger he was? Did you see how Mayweather fought De La Hoya? Somebody that was bigger and stronger. He didn't go for the kill. Just out smarted and out skilled him. In my opinion Rigondeaux is on Mayweather's level. He did things that I've never seen before. Mayweather has been my favorite fighter for the last 8 years and before that Whitaker. Now it is Rigondeaux.
dre98
QUOTE (Aware @ Apr 16 2013, 01:20 AM) *
First of all Donaire was at least two weight classes above Rigondeaux. Did you see how much bigger he was? Did you see how Mayweather fought De La Hoya? Somebody that was bigger and stronger. He didn't go for the kill. Just out smarted and out skilled him. In my opinion Rigondeaux is on Mayweather's level. He did things that I've never seen before. Mayweather has been my favorite fighter for the last 8 years and before that Whitaker. Now it is Rigondeaux.


Well you definitely entitled to your opinion. Delahoya put up decent fight with mayweather had him on the ropes just like cotto didnt do to much. Defense is impeccable. Rigo wasn't on the ropes at all in the fight. he fought a beautiful fight. but Mayweather offensive game is ridiculous because he beat delahoya and cotto at their own game plan.

Rigo beat Donaire like how Trout beat Cotto with more speed, defense, and precision.
Aware
QUOTE (dre98 @ Apr 16 2013, 01:57 AM) *
Well you definitely entitled to your opinion. Delahoya put up decent fight with mayweather had him on the ropes just like cotto didnt do to much. Defense is impeccable. Rigo wasn't on the ropes at all in the fight. he fought a beautiful fight. but Mayweather offensive game is ridiculous because he beat delahoya and cotto at their own game plan.

Rigo beat Donaire like how Trout beat Cotto with more speed, defense, and precision.



I really factor in elegance when considering which fighter has the most skill. For example, Andre Ward is exceptionally skilled, but he's just not as elegant as Mayweather or Rigondeaux. When I saw that move I described in my post, I realized Rigondeaux was on Mayweather's level.
mgrover
Floyd Mayweather
Rigondeaux & Andre ward, they've both more or less cleaned out there weight class and are top dog there, they need to move up, Ward may edge this for fighting Dawson but Dawson was clearly drained
Juan Manuel Marquez
Adrien Broner (needs to fight more people)
Tim Bradley
Austin Trout
Devon Alexander
Nonito Donaire

gary russell jr - haven't seen enough of him

I make my list by how they've showcased there skill against other fighters. It's why JMM is ahead of Broner etc.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (dre98 @ Apr 16 2013, 12:07 AM) *
Mayweather and Rigondeaux arent on the same level. The difference between the two is offensive firepower. During the Donaire fight Rig could of went in for the kill. He should of start hitting him with more left leads. He waited to late to try step his foot on the gas. He definitely does remind of may though.



I agree with that 100%!! It's amazing how fast people have moved him up based on one fight, he still has to face more elites in order for us to determine if he's on that level.

Sure Rigo has the wrinkles but he gets knocked down and that's something Floyd has not had happen (officially, I thought Zab knocked him down legitmately) but until we see how other fighters bring it to Rigo and how he reacts especially if he decides to move up (something Money has done with all success).
neophyte7
QUOTE (Aware @ Apr 16 2013, 12:56 AM) *
1. a)floyd mayweather b)Rigondeaux
2. andre ward
3. adrien broner
4. juan manuel marquez
5. nonito donaire
6. austin trout
7. tim bradley
8. devon alexander
9. gary russell jr (needs to fight better comp to prove his skill)


What about Terrence Crawford? He has some serious skill. Also bhop obviously.



Crawford is definitely a candidate for this list and no way in hell BRONER OR DEVON ALEXANDER MORE SKILLED THAN HOPKINS... HOPKINS BELONGS AFTER FLOYD...
mgrover
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 16 2013, 01:00 PM) *
Crawford is definitely a candidate for this list and no way in hell BRONER OR DEVON ALEXANDER MORE SKILLED THAN HOPKINS... HOPKINS BELONGS AFTER FLOYD...


I think its a selective list those guys aren't all top ten
Plah
Floyd
Hopkins
Andre
Rigo
JMM
Trout
Broner
GRJ
Nonito
Bradley
Devon

First 4 spots are easy I guess, but from 5 to 8 you can switch and all
daprofessor
QUOTE (dre98 @ Apr 15 2013, 10:15 PM) *
I respect it. Broner didnt really show too much when he fought ponce deleon. Trout looked very well against Cotto. Your biggest fights you have to show your best. I think Rigo has the best skills next mayweather. i like Ward but looked a little sloppy against dawson, but that was the best i seen him fight.


the thing about ward to me is that he has shown plenty of depth. floyd has shown the most in my opinion. i've not seen rigondeaux be the aggressor or walk an opponent down enough and his inside game isn't on par with floyds or andre's. his outside game may be superior to both though.
daprofessor
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 16 2013, 08:00 AM) *
Crawford is definitely a candidate for this list and no way in hell BRONER OR DEVON ALEXANDER MORE SKILLED THAN HOPKINS... HOPKINS BELONGS AFTER FLOYD...


you're right. hopkins should be on the list. crawford is definitely highly skilled as well. i didn't include him because i've only seen one of his fights.
neophyte7
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 16 2013, 02:28 PM) *
you're right. hopkins should be on the list. crawford is definitely highly skilled as well. i didn't include him because i've only seen one of his fights.




I understand your rationale on Crawford.. really, Devon Alexander does not belong on that list. I see nothing special in him at all
daprofessor
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 16 2013, 03:33 PM) *
I understand your rationale on Crawford.. really, Devon Alexander does not belong on that list. I see nothing special in him at all


replace him with bhop.
VJones
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 15 2013, 07:26 PM) *
floyd mayweather
andre ward
juan manuel marquez
nonito donaire
guillermo rigondeaux
austin trout
adrien broner
devon alexander
tim bradley
gary russell jr


1. Floyd
2. BHOP
3. Ward
4. Rigo
5. Juan Ma
6. Russell Jr.
7. Austin
8. Broner
9. Timmy
10. Donaire
sduck
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 15 2013, 07:26 PM) *
floyd mayweather
andre ward
juan manuel marquez
nonito donaire
guillermo rigondeaux
austin trout
adrien broner
devon alexander
tim bradley
gary russell jr


1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Andre Ward
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Guillermo Rigondeaux
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Austin Trout
7. Timothy Bradley
8. Nonito Donaire
9. Adrien Broner
10. Gary Russel Jr.
11. Devon Alexander

Some of the fighters are kind of on par imo
daprofessor
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 15 2013, 09:40 PM) *
my list

1. floyd
2. bhop
3. ward
4. rigondeaux
5. marquez
6. trout
7. broner
8. bradley
9. russell
10. donaire
11. alexander


edited
mrchitown
1. Mayweather
2. Hopkins
3. Ward
4. Rigondeaux
5. JMM
6. Broner
7. Trout
8. Gary Russel jr
9. Tim Bradley
10. Donaire
mitukczuk
How can we compare Rigo to Floyd ? That guy has 12 fights under his belt. 12 ! His amateur career is one to marvel at but his professional career (which as we know is something completely different) ??? Donaire, who is his biggest win is quite limited to be honest. There are many threads and posts here in which we discussed he is not even P4P TOP 20..or at all. I am not jumping on the Rigo bandwagon just yet...

I liked what he did against Donaire and I was actually VERY surprised by the way he fought. But I will wait untill he proves himself against someone who will give him all he can handle before Ill place him ANYWHERE NEAR the top of my skill list. I mean..he can have a lot more in him.......or much less when he hits the wall...and IF he hits it.


Anyways..
1. Money
2. Ward
3. BHop
4. Marquez
5. Trout
6. Timmy
7. GRJr/Broner
8. Rigo
9. Donaire
daprofessor
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Apr 18 2013, 04:23 AM) *
How can we compare Rigo to Floyd ? That guy has 12 fights under his belt. 12 ! His amateur career is one to marvel at but his professional career (which as we know is something completely different) ??? Donaire, who is his biggest win is quite limited to be honest. There are many threads and posts here in which we discussed he is not even P4P TOP 20..or at all. I am not jumping on the Rigo bandwagon just yet...

I liked what he did against Donaire and I was actually VERY surprised by the way he fought. But I will wait untill he proves himself against someone who will give him all he can handle before Ill place him ANYWHERE NEAR the top of my skill list. I mean..he can have a lot more in him.......or much less when he hits the wall...and IF he hits it.


Anyways..
1. Money
2. Ward
3. BHop
4. Marquez
5. Trout
6. Timmy
7. GRJr/Broner
8. Rigo
9. Donaire


i heard the same thing when i was trying to tell ppl donaire was more skilled than pacquiao. skills and accomplishment are two different things.
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