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Cshel86
Is it me, or these fighters with power who are being shoved down our throats, absolutely suck when they're in the there with a guy who's either composed, can take their punch, is more intelligent, or all of the above.

We saw it last week when Angelo Santana got his clock cleaned by Bahodir Mamadjonov, Ismayl Sillakh got floored last year, Dulorme got his little world rocked and finished by Abregu, and the list goes on.

How do you feel about fighters with "power" and which new ones aren't you sold on???
Cshel86
I'll go ahead and kick it off...

Truthfully, I'm not sold on Javier Fortuna like most are. After witnessing him knock out this young guy in FNF, which required the paramedics to stroll him out of the ring, c'mon man.

As Atlas kept mentioning, Zamudio had no business being in the ring with this guy. His last fight against Hyland on the Pac/JMM IV card, he looked very ordinary when he couldn't land those huge shots.

I mean this dude had a shitty camp (according to promoter) and didn't make weight yesterday. He came out guns blazing in this fight, as if he knew that he was gonna look bad if the fight went on longer.

I'm just not sold on this guy, and his failure to make weight let's me know that he isn't what he's hyped up to be. He hangs on Sergio's nuts, and he looks like he knows that a loss is around the corner for him.
leonthegee
Fighters arent being taught the basics. Teddy talked about that in an article a couple of weeks ago. I expect Keith Thurman to look ordinary the minute he starts fighting the top contenders.
The Original MrFactor
They want to sell tickets. KO's sell tickets. Who doesnt like to see a train wreck?
mgrover
Am not sold on guys with power because really who has that sheer brute power? Like the Hawk style or the right hand of Hearns or Foreman although he's a heavyweight. Nobody it seems, there all in MMA because its easier to get the KO
neophyte7
[quote name='leonthegee' post='578724' date='Apr 20 2013, 01:33 AM']Fighters arent being taught the basics. Teddy talked about that in an article a couple of weeks ago. I expect Keith Thurman to look ordinary the minute he starts fighting the top contenders

Thurman has glaring holes in his game... soon to be exploited after he fights some real deal opponents.
mrchitown
It's a difference between fighters of the past with power and these recent guys with power. And I think the difference is the fundamentals. It seems like the basic principles are being ignored in favor of selling tix. And that's what these power guys do, they sell tix, if you match them up well which alot of them have been, then you'll be fine. But when you put them in with someone who was fortunate enough to have a trainer who taught them the fundamentals of the game then more then likely the power puncher is in trouble
Franchize
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 19 2013, 11:49 PM) *
I'll go ahead and kick it off...

Truthfully, I'm not sold on Javier Fortuna like most are. After witnessing him knock out this young guy in FNF, which required the paramedics to stroll him out of the ring, c'mon man.

As Atlas kept mentioning, Zamudio had no business being in the ring with this guy. His last fight against Hyland on the Pac/JMM IV card, he looked very ordinary when he couldn't land those huge shots.

I mean this dude had a shitty camp (according to promoter) and didn't make weight yesterday. He came out guns blazing in this fight, as if he knew that he was gonna look bad if the fight went on longer.

I'm just not sold on this guy, and his failure to make weight let's me know that he isn't what he's hyped up to be. He hangs on Sergio's nuts, and he looks like he knows that a loss is around the corner for him.


Zamudia's handlers need to be prosecuted for reckless endangerment. He had ZERO business in that ring. Fortuna looked wild and out of control but it didn't matter. Ole boy just got overwhelmed.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 20 2013, 09:27 AM) *
Am not sold on guys with power because really who has that sheer brute power? Like the Hawk style or the right hand of Hearns or Foreman although he's a heavyweight. Nobody it seems, there all in MMA because its easier to get the KO


the guys with no defense are in mma. that's why they have those crazy ko's. their punching is horrible. i can't watch.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Apr 20 2013, 10:37 PM) *
Zamudia's handlers need to be prosecuted for reckless endangerment. He had ZERO business in that ring. Fortuna looked wild and out of control but it didn't matter. Ole boy just got overwhelmed.


fight should have been stopped after the first knockdown. any report on that kid? he was out cold and didn't appear to be moving when they took him out the ring.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 22 2013, 03:11 PM) *
fight should have been stopped after the first knockdown. any report on that kid? he was out cold and didn't appear to be moving when they took him out the ring.

Right, his eyes rolled to the top of his during the first knockdown.

That shit was bad man no2.gif

Dude was laid out on his back for a good 5 mins. His feet/ankles were together, but in an outwards V-shape...it reminded me of some shit from a Dr. Seuss book. Smh
daprofessor
does matthysse fit into this category?
mgrover
he doesn't seem completely one dimensional but till he KOs Garcia yes.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 22 2013, 03:09 PM) *
the guys with no defense are in mma. that's why they have those crazy ko's. their punching is horrible. i can't watch.

yes, that's why guys with a decent amount of defense look like gods lol

QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 21 2013, 06:12 PM) *
does matthysse fit into this category?

he has shown the ability to adjust and has complete brute power but Alexander showed he can be neutralized ala Hopkins style (punch and clinch) but that fight was a while ago and I still thought he win the fight comfortably.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ May 21 2013, 06:53 PM) *
yes, that's why guys with a decent amount of defense look like gods lol


he has shown the ability to adjust and has complete brute power but Alexander showed he can be neutralized ala Hopkins style (punch and clinch) but that fight was a while ago and I still thought he win the fight comfortably.



it always amazes me to see fighters on the upper levels not know how to cut off a ring. it's really a simple thing to teach/learn. that's probably his biggest flaw.
Dolimite
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 19 2013, 07:49 PM) *
I'll go ahead and kick it off...

Truthfully, I'm not sold on Javier Fortuna like most are. After witnessing him knock out this young guy in FNF, which required the paramedics to stroll him out of the ring, c'mon man.

As Atlas kept mentioning, Zamudio had no business being in the ring with this guy. His last fight against Hyland on the Pac/JMM IV card, he looked very ordinary when he couldn't land those huge shots.

I mean this dude had a shitty camp (according to promoter) and didn't make weight yesterday. He came out guns blazing in this fight, as if he knew that he was gonna look bad if the fight went on longer.

I'm just not sold on this guy, and his failure to make weight let's me know that he isn't what he's hyped up to be. He hangs on Sergio's nuts, and he looks like he knows that a loss is around the corner for him.

I have been waiting to compare Blake Griffin with boxing. Blake is an exciting player and when he is against older defenders and teams that do not box out then he looks like superman. The moment he played against Zach Randolph he and Marc Gasol guys who were tough in the paint, he was done! Same thing with "power" punchers. If the only thing they are looking for is that big shot against skilled fighters then they will be in for a long night. The skill fighter will know not be in range of getting clocked. She Hopkins vs. Cloud, he was looking for that one shot. Just like P Williams and Sergio, P Williams was looking for that big shot. Mike Tyson is another one when he fought Lewis. Pacquiao and Bradley and Marquez. He got his shit cleaned. Power doesn't make you good. Like Roger Mayweather said "speed don't mean shit if you do not know how to use it." Same can be said with power. If that is all you got then you are limited.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 21 2013, 07:38 PM) *
it always amazes me to see fighters on the upper levels not know how to cut off a ring. it's really a simple thing to teach/learn. that's probably his biggest flaw.

Matthysse? I thought he did a wonderful job of doing it against ajose.

Donaire is a guy that needs to learn that for sure, cotto was really good at it back in the day. Gesta definitely needs to learn it as well
BoxingEinstein

I wasn't and never was sold on Denis Lebedev before and after the loss to Jones. He fought old way and past prime legends and his KO ratio hides that fact. The rest were all bums.
Gambit808
Still a bit skeptical on AB especially at WW. He gotta get Paulie outta there to convince me that maybe his power is legit... Then again Paulie been Knocked down and out before so it depend.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 21 2013, 08:48 PM) *
I have been waiting to compare Blake Griffin with boxing

Canelo's long-lost brother? Maybe?

QUOTE (Gambit808 @ May 22 2013, 01:36 AM) *
Still a bit skeptical on AB especially at WW. He gotta get Paulie outta there to convince me that maybe his power is legit... Then again Paulie been Knocked down and out before so it depend.

This remains to be seen...I just hope Paulie doesn't get brutalized in there. Not that I believe Broner will automatically put a beating on him, but maybe its because I cant stand that little cunt. Lol
Gambit808
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 22 2013, 09:55 AM) *
This remains to be seen...I just hope Paulie doesn't get brutalized in there. Not that I believe Broner will automatically put a beating on him, but maybe its because I cant stand that little cunt. Lol

Can't blaim u there laugh.gif

Something tells me this fight will have just as much theatrics in it than the actual fighting. I can see it now, AB being accompanied to the ring with Paulie's "weekend pussy", both guys taunting each other back n forward as long as the fight lasts SMH. GBP knew what they were doing putting these 2 up against each other.
checkleft
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ May 22 2013, 01:36 AM) *
Still a bit skeptical on AB especially at WW. He gotta get Paulie outta there to convince me that maybe his power is legit... Then again Paulie been Knocked down and out before so it depend.

Don't thing paulies ever been knocked out, tho he has been stopped but on his feet. The guy can take an ass kicking ill tell ya that
Gambit808
QUOTE (checkleft @ May 22 2013, 12:31 PM) *
Don't thing paulies ever been knocked out, tho he has been stopped but on his feet. The guy can take an ass kicking ill tell ya that

True. Then I guess if Broner were to stop him, it could justify my skeptism, but I won't get ahead of myself thinking it's gonna be easy work for Broner either. Good point though.
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